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Fort Hood Shootings

Statement that was overheard, an increase in incidences like the shootings at Fort Hood will be used by the government as an excuse to institute martial law. What is your opinion? Of the shootings? And of this statement?

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Mark4838

Throughout the history of the US military and all other militaries, there have been innumerable incidences of an indvidual soldier killing his fellow soldiers. Somehow, you seem to believe that only the very few incidences when a Muslim is involved have significance. And clearly, that kind of comments and conclusions are never helpful. Moreover, to suggest that thouhgtful words is political correstness is to discount the importance and the need for debate and discussion.
---Janze on 11/10/09


Donna:

I quite agree that culture and the times may influence perspective and thefore, judgement and conclusions.

However, if we were to accept the idea that the times determined wrongness or rightness, then obviously nothing is wrong and nothing is right.

If I were to follow that line of reasoning, then slavery would have been right, the Holocaust would have right, and the killing of 500,000 Japanese citizens with nuclear bombs would have been right.

Moreover,I am treating the issue in the context of this forum and with the assumed knowledge that, at least, most people who make comments are Believers in the Almighty God, the creator of universe.
---Janze on 11/10/09


Pt 1:

Yes, it was a democrat who signed the executive order, but there was also widespread support, including Republicans. There are republicans today who feel it was the right thing to do, including US congressmen and talking head Michelle Malkin. In 2007 Republicans let the fight against examining the internment in WWII.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are people - with Jim shouting the loudest - who still feel that Americans should be denied their rights simply because of their beliefs. People want to lump all Muslims under the same banner and deny them the right to serve in the military. Muslims have fought bravely and honorably for this country in Iraq and Afghanistan.
---NurseRobert on 11/10/09


Pt II.
Mimi comes on here and posts that "statement was overheard" but then does not back it up with any facts. Jim says this thread is about comdeming (sic) American and screams we were "attacked by a terrorist".

The guy at Ft. Hood is a nutcase, but not one of us posting here knows the whole story.

Larry said it best, "Societies tend to become xenophobic when under attack and what happened at Fort Hood is clearly intolerable and appears to be terrorism."

The point is we do not know what was going on inside this nutcases head. Until we do, all this conjecture is worthless.




---NurseRobert on 11/10/09


\\In the U.S., there is sufficient area set aside to imprison millions of people.\\

Where are these camps and how many millions can they hold?

Even were there camps that could hold 2 million people (the minimum number to qualify for being called "millions") that would still be LESS than 1% of the US population.
---Cluny on 11/10/09




Elder, I notice you did not actually answer a question I asked:

\\What do you mean by "multi-group compounds?"\\

And insisting that Jeremiah Wright is a Moslem will not make him so. "Moslim" is not a synonym for "I disagree with him."

How could Wright be an ordained minister in the United Church of CHRIST (the successor to the Pilgrims and Puritans) were he a Moslem?
---Cluny on 11/10/09


I think it is fair to question the potential destructive capabilities of Islam-Americans. Tolerance is important however, ignorance is tragic. It seems like we hit the snooz bar after 9/11 .We are so hyper-political-correct There are several instances where combat troops have turned on our soldiers in the field due to some religious conflict (anyone remember the frags in the tent?)but, that didn't have anything to to with religion now did it?Evoking a common Muslim expression prior to pulling the trigger didn't have anything to do with religion, right?The terrorists on 911 were all blond hair, blue eyed Jesus lovers, right?I don't feel bad when I kill roaches or other disease carrying bugs in my house because I know I am protecting my family
---Mark4838 on 11/10/09


no concentration camps in the U.S.
"Ask a Native or African American about that!" -Leon
I am a native American. The US arrested many during wars. There were no concentration camps.
The closest thing we have is the welfare system. The government tells the people participating what they can eat, where they can live and what they can earn.
Like the Cash for clunkers program. It only benefited those who were ready and able to buy a car, You know like the rich....
If America is so bad I will buy any natural citizen a ticket to where they want to move.
Like to the Jew murdering Nazi Germany that would kill just because you were kin to someone else.
All whiners are invited to go to where ever you think it is better.
---Elder on 11/10/09


Eventually the military (government)will ignore the howls and references to the shameful U.S. internment of Japanese decades ago and quietly give every declared Muslim a second look.
Even the wing nuts who spend most of their time railing against the government will demand government "do something."


Societies tend to become xenophobic when under attack and what happened at Fort Hood is clearly intolerable and appears to be terrorism.
---larry on 11/9/09


Janze -- A lot of people feel strongly about this. When I was taught history, I was taught it is important to understand WHY people did the things they did and WHAT they thought AT THE TIME. That is the viewpoint I take.
( The modern method is to evaluate every event by current standards)

History is what it is. (I wasn't "justifying" anything)

And people are products of their times.

Our gr. gr. grandchildren may well consider us brutal monsters for making dogs wear collars and walk on leashes. Who knows?
---Donna66 on 11/9/09




Cluny your questions show how uninformed you are. But to answer just one....
(And who in the Governement (I assume you mean federal) has "promised not to take sides against any Muslim"? Can you be specific? Cluny on 11/8/09)
Yes I can, Mr. Barrack Husain Obama!!
---Elder on 11/9/09


Jim you are correct as liberalism and conservatism are havens for unholy alliances and neither shares any common ground with truth and thus Jesus. Notice how people who consider themselves liberal or conservative Christians talk more about the first word than the second? When will they ever learn, Christ doesn't share the stage.

Cluny, Mima gets that stuff from Jim Bakker who sustains his vapid Branson-based ministry selling end of the world Survival Kits that he calls Love Gifts.
With a page from the old PTL days he sells urgency and fear to the mostly 55+ crowd and brings on conservative wing-nuts who push fear over faith and politics over prayer.
Scripture is used to justify the politics.
---larry on 11/9/09


In history, there have been many coups and seizures of government control, based on both economic reasons and concerns due to social unrest. Many of those issues were fomented, or secretly caused, by that government. Socialism, both fascism and communism, do not work because of mans natural evil propensities. In the U.S., there is sufficient area set aside to imprison millions of people. And we have a 200 year history of using interment camps.
Ralph7477 even with proof, NurseRobert will not repent. In example, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Executive Order 9066 2/19/42 was used to inter people in camps.
---Glenn on 11/9/09


I notice that mima has NOT let us know just WHO "overheard" the statement, and WHO said it originally.

Isn't that curious?
---Cluny on 11/9/09


"They lived in barracks (like our troops). There was work for adults, school for children, recreation, food... a stark but not inhumane life."

Donna, it is always dangerous and corrupting to justify wrong and evil action. Wrong is never justified by the nationality of the perpetrators. Wrong is worng when it is done by those who claim goodness as well as by those who make any other claim.

I am sure that you would not have volunteered yourself and your children to be imprisoned in those camps. That notion is called Fairness and those who claim Godliness should be the most eager and the most ready to practice it.
---Janze on 11/9/09


StrongAxe, I am in no way a supporter of those camps. My whole point was that it was a liberal democrat policy enacted by a liberal democrat president. Of course those people were worse off after they left. That's is always the outcome of liberal policies. People get hurt.

Nurse, are you saying it's my "opinion" that FDR set up the camps? Do you really need a source for that?
Are you saying that it's "conjecture" to point out that Social Security, Medicare, and the health bill that passed the House are democrat programs? How is it opinion when I say that participation is mandatory and leaving those programs is not an option? I know I can't opt out. Can you?
---ralph7477 on 11/9/09


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Amazing how this thread is all about comdeming America.

WE WERE ATTACKED BY A TERRORIST AND AS AN AMERICAN SOLDIER HE WAS A TRAITER! HE DECIDED TO JOIN THE ENEMY! WAKE UP.

He killed 13 soldiers and 1 of them was a pregnant women.

I will not be neutured by the PC. Liberalism is a Religious Cult that has joined forces with Islam to dominate and crush Christianity!
---Jim on 11/9/09


NurseRobert
//There is no leaving Democrat entitlement programs// TRUE
Can anybody get out of Social Security. Can anyone say, "I'd rather keep all my wages now, if you don't mind. Then when I get old I'll support myself without the help of Government"?
---Donna66 on 11/9/09


Nurse Robert-- The Nazi "re-education" camps performed medical experiments on, starved, beat people to death. They gassed people to death en masse...millions of them. Those that survived were walking skeletons. Compared to this, internment camps were "humane".
---Donna66 on 11/9/09


Actually, no. What is so ridiculous? I've simply stated fact. What have I written that is inaccurate?
---ralph7477 on 11/9/09

Ralph, what you wrote was conjecture and opinion, not fact.

Prove me wrong. List your sources.
---NurseRobert on 11/9/09


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"Ralph, do you have any idea how ridiculously paranoid you sound?"-NR

Actually, no. What is so ridiculous? I've simply stated fact. What have I written that is inaccurate?
---ralph7477 on 11/9/09


ralph7477:

The people who were forced into the relocation camps during WWII (and these AMERICAN CITIZENS, albeit ones of Japanese descent) generally lost everything - businesses, homes, property, etc.) so when they got out, while they were free to return home, they generally had no homes to return to. And forget relying on friends and relatives - the ones here were likely in the camps with them, and if they had any overseas, they were likely even worse off.
---StrongAxe on 11/9/09


I agree completely NR: LG Dewitt's comments were very paranoid & he was talking about American citizens. American history overflows with this kind of racially charged hatred targeting different ethnic groups of people.

Yes Strongaxe: Actually, I see that too. I also see the term "concentration camps" as being synonymous to "Indian reservations" & "Southern plantations", both of which were dangerous places, & the "concentrated people" were oftentimes physically abused & even killed by the overseers (guards) of these camps.

"...there were no concentration camps in the U.S." Elder, 11/8

REALLY?! Ask a Native or African American about that!!!
---Leon on 11/9/09


There is no leaving Democrat entitlement programs.
---ralph7477 on 11/9/09

Ralph, do you have any idea how ridiculously paranoid you sound?
---NurseRobert on 11/9/09


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Ralphie... it doesn't matter WHO set them up, it was wrong, wrong, wrong. It was then, it is now. Maybe YOU are not bothered by it and perhaps you would have made a perfect guard for the camps.

Oh, and the Japanese had NO home to go too after they were released.
---NurseRobert on 11/9/09


Leon:

Technically, they WERE "concentration camps" because they were used to concentrate large populations in a small area. The term is also synomymous with "internment camp".

Unfortunately, because Nazi concentration camps were also extermination camps, the two terms have become inextricably linked in most people's minds, even though they have different specific meanings.
---StrongAxe on 11/9/09


It was FDR, the liberal Democrat icon of all time, that set up those camps. So I'm not sure why Nurse is so bothered. That type of thing is standard operating procedure for "progressives".

They set up programs that most people would not voluntarily join so they order people to do what they want through force of government law. Liberty is anathema to the liberal.

Social Security, Medicare, and now government health care in which you are ordered to participate or face fines and/or jail time. It's simply a continuation of the liberal MO propelled by supporters like NR. At least the people in the internment camps were eventually allowed to leave and go back home. There is no leaving Democrat entitlement programs.
---ralph7477 on 11/9/09


Hey, there are other Muslim soldiers who don't cause any problems. No need to screen them. But THIS Major raised plenty of red flags, had poor performance, and even hired a lawyer to try to get a release from the military.

They didn't see him as dangerous.I think they just looked at him as an as an irresponsible guy trying to shirk his responsibility...after all, he spent 4-5 yrs. living and studying at gov't expense. He became a psychiatrist because he "hated the sight of blood" (according to his uncle). Why did he join the military? To get a free education?

Too bad they didn't give him a general or medical discharge (not a honerable discharge) when he first wanted out.
---Donna66 on 11/8/09


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Sorry to disappoint, but there were no concentration camps in the US for anyone
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sorry to inform

but there are CAMPS within US that are guarded by the military

these camps are EMPTY and have been for YEARS in fact have never been used

you can quibble with word "concentration" camp, or simply camp but the FACT remains there are fences surrounding large area's of land with barracks - call it what you will the idea is a CAMP to RESTRAIN

remember the Japanese were not free to roam around when US held them in their "barracks" they were confined
---Rhonda on 11/8/09


Yes, Donna, I'm sure it was very humane for the 120,000 people forced from their homes, shipped hundreds of miles, put in to a "detention center", complete with barbed wire, search lights and armed guards.

The camps resembled prisons with poor food, cramped quarters, and communal facilities. The housing provided was tarpaper covered barracks without plumbing or cooking facilities. Bathing, laundry and toilet building was shared by more than 250 people. Workers earned an average of $16 per month for a 44-hour week (for the rest of the country it was about $25).

The Nazis called them "re-education" camps. A concentration camp is a concentration camp, regarding what what you call it.
---NurseRobert on 11/8/09


Rhonda, I'm sure some of the rightwingnuts are already planning it out.
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I absolutely agree ...the idea could not come from the liberal side

history always repeats itself ...if USA did it once they are capable of doing it again
---Rhonda on 11/8/09


LG John L. DeWitt (administered the internment program) told congress:

"I don't want any of them here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty... It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty... But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map."

There are those who say the same thing about Muslims.

The point I'm trying to make is, yes, there are those who's goal is to destroy this country, but you cannot lump everyone of a particular belief in the same group. The "Fox and Friends" broadcast is a perfect example of this.
---NurseRobert on 11/8/09


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\\The major at Ft Hood, "Rev." Wright of Obama fame, the multi-group compounds across the US, Four in a 100 miles of my home, officials in Government that have promised not to take sides against any Muslim, they are all Muslim.\\

Jeremiah Wright is NOT a Mohametan, and calling him that will not make him so.

What do you mean by "multi-group compounds?"

And who in the Governement (I assume you mean federal) has "promised not to take sides against any Muslim"? Can you be specific?
---Cluny on 11/8/09


NR: By saying, "the camps," you do mean the War Relocation Camps approx' 120K Japanese-Americans were forced (in 1942) to live in after the attack on Pearl Harbor. The WRCs were located throughout the U.S.

I wouldn't exactly call them "concentration" camps (like the horrendous Nazi killing sites). But, they were detention centers (prisons) that held a targeted segment of American citizens whos only crime was being ethnically Japanese & therefore victims of government paranoia.

Fear is the hair-trigger on a loaded gun called ignorance. The bullets are tipped in the poison of hatred for whole groups of people, e.g., Muslims, who don't fit the mold of some dangerously paranoid religionist amongst us.
---Leon on 11/8/09


I think that America is too nice. It's like me helping someone who is evil, and saying, "Oh I used to be in this person's shoes too," but everyone is different. Yes, we all came from Immigrants, but not all immigrants are the same. Not saying that all new immigrants are evil, but just saying. And the guy may have been born here, but so what? I don't really know much about what happened, but for us to have expected him to go over there, and comfort people who were killing people in his religion was unrealistic. Would we expect a Christian to go comfort people who are killing Christians? I feel sorry for the victims and the families, though.
---amand6348 on 11/8/09


Alan of UK-- // In the World Wars, we put nationals of our enemies into internment camps//

That was the case here. We also placed Germans and Italians in camps,but there were not as many of them as Japanese.

NO comparison between these and the concentration camps of Hitler!

In the US students are taught a revised version of history in many areas. This is one. They want to make it a case of "racial predudice"
---Donna66 on 11/8/09


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Nurse Robert.

There is a difference between internment camps and concentration camps.

To our shame, Britain put Boers into concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War, and many died.

In the World Wars, we put nationals of our enemies inot internment camps, which were a far cry from the concentration camps in which Hitler used the Jews as slave labour till they died of starvation and cold (if they were not gassed)

I'll bet that America put those perceived to be a threat into internment camps in the war, not into concentration camps
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/8/09


Rhonda and NurseRobert--

Sorry to disappoint, but there were no concentration camps in the US for anyone.

During the first few days after the Pearl Harbor attack the west coast was alarmed by a number of reports -all false- of enemy ships offshore. The large number of Japanese living on the west coast, made it impossible, in this situation of urgency, to determine who might be spies or informants for the enemy.

Camps were set up across the interior West. Families were summarily relocated with limited possessions to various locations in the West where they were guarded carefully. They lived in barracks (like our troops). There was work for adults, school for children, recreation, food... a stark but not inhumane life.
---Donna66 on 11/8/09


Control your emotions Bud, you know there were no Concentration camps in the US.
---Elder on 11/8/09

paranoia aside, Elder, tell that to the 120000 AMERICANS who were thrown into the camps.
---NurseRobert on 11/8/09


what a shame if it were to come to pass
---Rhonda on 11/8/09


Rhonda, I'm sure some of the rightwingnuts are already planning it out.
---NurseRobert on 11/8/09


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Maybe we should open up the concentration camps like we did for the Japanese during WWII.
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what a shame if it were to come to pass ...not at all unlikely with more than 700 camps in US that are guarded by military today to be used for????

however I'm sure the powers that be are already fast at work on how to pull that one off already ...sorry to burst your bubble if you thought you were so bright to suggest it first

if it were to happen then we will KNOW the end is very near ...the US will fall from within could sure be the tipping point
---Rhonda on 11/8/09


Virginia is about to execute the DC and VA sniper on Tuesday. Pray he will accept the real Saviour. The major at Ft Hood, "Rev." Wright of Obama fame, the multi-group compounds across the US, Four in a 100 miles of my home, officials in Government that have promised not to take sides against any Muslim, they are all Muslim. I was ordered not to pray in the name of Jesus while serving as a chaplain in the military. This was not to offend Muslims.
Yes, the Muslim "religion" is a problem.
NR said, "Maybe we should open up the concentration camps like we did for the Japanese during WWII."
Control your emotions Bud, you know there were no Concentration camps in the US.
---Elder on 11/8/09


On Friday Fox and Friends host Brian Kilmeade suggested, that the military start doing special screenings of Muslim servicemen and women. Another host, Gretchen Carlson, interrupted in order to point the blame at "political correctness."

There are millions of muslims in the US.

Maybe we should open up the concentration camps like we did for the Japanese during WWII.
---NurseRobert on 11/8/09


Jim:

How do you get "second largest act of terrorism on American soil"? The 9/11 attacks involved the deaths of almost three thousand, while the April 19th, 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building involved the deaths of 168. The Fort Hood bombing involved the deaths of a mere dozen people doesn't even come close third. It doesn't even surpass Columbine.
---StrongAxe on 11/7/09


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KarenD said, "Elder...I had no idea you agreed with gossip that was hate-mongering."
Karen you misunderstand.... I do not agree with what you said. It was you who attacked Mimi's creditability. I guess you think that is OK since it is coming from someone like you, huh?
Mimi used the word and phrase, "overheard" and "What is your opinion." Now, in true liberal socialist fashion, you think he should be censored. What causes the most concern, you not reading and commenting to his question or him not being allowed to exercise his free speech. Probably the most danger to you is his free speech.
---Elder on 11/7/09


I would like to say that I believe that this was an act of terror. He did not act alone, he had his "fellow" immams telling him that this was his way to his heaven. Kill the Jews and Christians who do not believe in the koran. (Just typing the word Koran or Muslim makes me ill) These kind of people need to be killed period. Can you imagine the news story if this was an evangelical Christian who went on a shooting spree? Our churches would be brought to its knees while these muslim mosques go untouched because of political correctness.
Jim
---Jim on 11/7/09


IT WAS THE SECOND LARGEST ACT OF TERRORISM ON AMERICAN SOIL!!!

Until we wake up and fight back, it will be all over before we know. Just like Rome!

"Hate Mongering" is a Liberal tool to disarm and neuter True Americans. It is the same as Political Correctness. I will no accept it EVER! God Hated Esau so I guess he is a "Hate Monger" too. Don't fall for this thought control crap! Hate is the act this terroist did, NOT US! Don,t let the Libs reverse it and make this Muslim a victim. He killed a Pregnant Women as well.
---Jim on 11/7/09


the gunman killed one more than Columbine - and less than many other mass killings in US over the past 20+ years

mass killings have been done by those under influence of drugs or a mental breakdown and rage

I doubt mass killings will be used to execute martial law unless the government has some way make mass killings happen more frequently ...seems possible I guess ...there are suicide bombings in mid-east so anything is possible here too
---Rhonda on 11/7/09


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Mark, the most watched and powerful TV and Radio networks are run by conservatives, what in the world are you talking about?

GE, which owns NBC, fired Ashley Banfield for questioning the president after 9/11 and even NPR reporters are not allowed to use the word torture and must only used enhanced interrogation.

Most newspapers are small-town conservative, so don't be fooled by the few large northeast behemoths. Print media is dying anyway and some large conservative newspapers like the Chicago Tribune endorsed Obama.

This garbage you are spewing, where does it come from?
---larry on 11/7/09


Strongaxe,I agree with you. Anyone enlisting in the Military should be fully aware there may be times they will have to fight. I would guess the Doctor was more focused on getting the education and training to be a doctor out of his enlistment than the possibility of going to war. I must wonder if the killings were an atempt to go to Heaven as those Muslims who kill their enemies in Jihad are believed to go straight to Heaven and receive 72 virgins. I wonder if he viewed other soldiers as his enemies some were arguing for war and he was against. Its just a thought. I know unless He lives,and he was moved,in a coma,to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio Tx.we will not ever know what he thought. Maybe it was a mental breakdown.
---Darlene_1 on 11/7/09


"Be slow to anger, for anger does not work the righteousness of God." I was told that the shooter sargeant was an Iranian, and since he was enlisted in the US military Army his next assignment was to be going over to attack the Iranians, therefore he picked up his gun and went to kill the Americans.
---Eloy on 11/7/09


Don't get on NurseRobert's case too much. It's obvious that his obsession with guys like he mentioned (me included) is his subconscious trying to pull him toward what's good and right. He is having an internal struggle. He will see the light one day, as any intelligent person does.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said, "Anybody under 30 who isn't a Liberal has no heart, and anybody over 30 who isn't a Conservative has no brains."
---ralph7477 on 11/7/09


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Nurseroberts, you are too blind to see, because of your liberal idea's that you miss the whole picture.
---MarkV. on 11/7/09

What a typical right wingnut response. Maybe we should round up all muslims, take them out back and shoot them. THEN we would be safe...
---NurseRobert on 11/7/09


This will have no effect on civilian authority though there will be changes in base security and the mental analysis of soldiers, officers and Marines.
We know the problem is spiritual and much deeper.
The postulate of the government instuting martial law shows head shaking ignorance of the differences between civilian and military communities, and the general depravity of man.
The questioner needs to first read Genesis 6:5 and then realize the military is the government, duh?
How dumb can you be and still breathe?
---larry on 11/7/09


Elder...I had no idea you agreed with gossip that was hate-mongering.
---KarenD on 11/6/09


"NurseRobert -- Why do you attribute every lunatic idea to Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity?"
Donna66 on 11/6/09

Apparently it is easy to read but understanding, oh well, that is a totally different thing:
Mima noted, "Statement that was overheard...". Not stating the source rightly gives rise to speculating as to the source of the statement, therefore NurseRobert has as much right to speculate as to the source, as Mima to not say. NR also oppened the possibility that the whole of the "lunatic idea" was of Mima's creation, "Mima.. do you make this stuff up as you go along?"
---Nana on 11/6/09


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we all can go on pointing the blame towrds others,and governments,but ultimately God judges all nations,and all people for their actions,and all will be held accountable,and I do believe for the lack of their actions.
---tom2 on 11/6/09


Nurse Robert- I do too, more than you, I'll bet.
These conservatives would not (and did not) attribute such an act to any condition that would cause it to re-occur. They realize it was an atypical individual act.
(And I've never heard them predict martial law for ANY reason).

I'ts the left-leaning press that would like to blame the military , war, PTSS and our invovement in Iraq and Afganistan. THEY might worry about an increase of incedents like this...no one else.
---Donna66 on 11/6/09


to try and make any sense from any news story where some apparently completely gone person turns to taking life is such a senseless act no matter who it is.there is no reason other than they are totally and utterly out of their minds.its the familys of the innocent victims we should be talking about and praying for.
---tom2 on 11/6/09


Nurseroberts, you are too blind to see, because of your liberal idea's that you miss the whole picture. Before you blamed the other side, now you want to defend your side. Not because it is right to do but because of your liberal believes. Everyone needs to wake up. Before we use to get it from muslims coming into the country as terrorist, but now we have our own muslims within. And the media, Newpapers, that cursed everything Bush said, now hide material so that others will not curse them. Just a bunch of hypocrites liberals. At least there is a few stations that are not afraid to speak the Truth.
---MarkV. on 11/7/09


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The events at Fort Hood are tragic, but violence on American military installations is exactly uncommon.

It would seem to me that a more relevant consideration would be: why is it that a country and a people who make lofty claims about themselves would suffer these murderous rampages,so regularly?

Perhaps, the fact that a soldier (a trained killer) seems to be America's principal hero and that guns seem to occupy a place equal to that of the Bible may offer some explanation.
---Janze on 11/7/09


NurseRobert -- Why do you attribute every lunatic idea to Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity?
This idea bears no relationship to anything THEY would say. Why do you blame them for anything you disagree with.?
---Donna66 on 11/6/09

Because, Donna, I actually spend time listing to them and reading their website and this is EXACTLY the kind of thing they would say.
---NurseRobert on 11/6/09


"Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre on Thursday that took the lives of at least 13 people and injured 30 more, shouted out "Allahu Akbar!" (which is Arabic for "God is great!") before opening fire at the Army base in Texas. It is known that he objected to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and to fighting fellow Muslims." This is from the liberal Associated Press. Beck and the others that the anti-free press and speech crowd would like to censor and quiet did not say this.
Note: it is easy to condemn a site for posting something you don't like even though you don't pay a cent to support it or to be a member on it. Go Mimi, if they don't like it they can go to another blog.
---Elder on 11/6/09


Darlene_1:

If a man doesn't want to go to war, he should never enter the military. That's what the military is FOR.
---StrongAxe on 11/6/09


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NurseRobert...You got that right. Any credibility that I used to give to Mima's posts went out the window months ago. Sometimes I wonder if it is the same Mima that used to post about Jesus.
---KarenD on 11/6/09


NurseRobert -- Why do you attribute every lunatic idea to Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity?
This idea bears no relationship to anything THEY would say. Why do you blame them for anything you disagree with.?
---Donna66 on 11/6/09


Mima.. do you make this stuff up as you go along?

Who made the statement? Glenn Beck?? Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity?? Ralph??

Give it a break.
---NurseRobert on 11/6/09


I have been in the Navy. If you took all the loopy ones out of service . . . LOLOLOL

I myself was one of the nonviolent loopos, but I could be dangerous without doing what is violent, just by being incompetent and paranoid. It could compromise security which needs trust and morale of having ones you know you can count on.

I kept my oath to stand up against sexually assaultive people and one who tried to smuggle candy into a recruit barracks, and ones were going to pound me silly for this, it seemed, and one tried to light me up with cigarette fluid, I was told. If you took out all the loopies, again I offer . . . you'd be short not only on psychiatrists.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/09


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The military will do whatever it can to prevent more incidents like this one. The government is not looking for an excuse to institute marital law!

The officer in question had little actual military experience, unlike most of his age and grade. Most of the time credited to him, was spent attending medical training.

Simply having an M.D. assures one a rank of at least Capt., more usually Major. There had been complaints by his superiors and he had a poor OER (pretty difficult to get unless you are really a mess). I don't understand why something wasn't done before he completely lost it!
---Donna66 on 11/6/09


Karen,

I disagree. This is a free country. All idiot baiting ignorant stupid ill-informed and paranoid questions should be allowed everywhere.

Of course we should also be free to identify such questions as idiot baiting ignorant stupid ill-informed and paranoid. In fact it would be irresponsible and un-American not to speak up and do so.
---atheist on 11/6/09


The Government can't use Ft Hood as an excuse for that. The shootings are the result of one Man who was irate about being shipped to War,he had already received his orders. He had many arguements about the war with other GI's lately,he against,he was trying to get out of the Army too. People in his apartment complex said he had given away furniture and started dressing in Arab clothes the last few weeks. He hadn't done well at the previous Hospital he worked at. At Ft Hood he was a MD counselor for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder returning GI's were having. I think he listened to all their stories of horror and got a great big fear and hate of war going in him and flipped out.
---Darlene_1 on 11/6/09


"Over heard" by who, you Mima? Hmmm! -- not credible. :/

Anyone who names Jesus as Saviour & Lord would do well not to shoot off his/her mouth about things they really don't know anything about. (James 3:3-6) When you play with fire Mima, ultimately you'll get burned.

As a retired serviceman, I take strong offense at your comments & am made all the more aware of the importance of the oath I took many years ago to, "...defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign & domestic."

Here's a thought Mima: Use your tongue to pray for the families of the men & women who lost loved ones at Ft. Hood.
---Leon on 11/6/09


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Now that Is bad. It makes me think that men like such are helping the enemy kill off our men here in the U.S.A. Military screaning is Not tough enough.
---Lawrence on 11/6/09


I think that paranoid questions like this should not be allowed to be posted on this site.
---KarenD on 11/6/09


Why would martial law be imposed in the civilian population over a unique (that is, only ONE such incident) shooting that took place at a military base?

Who originally made this statement about the excuse to impose martial law?

Who overheard it?

Unless you can answer these questions, especially 2 and 3, it seems that at this point, mima, it simply sounds like you're repeating gossip, and possibly trying to stir up strife again.
---Cluny on 11/6/09


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