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All the miracles in the Bible are amazing and I'm still having some trouble wrapping my head around them. But I mean, why aren't miracles like that still happening today? God talked to Samuel in real life and Moses, so why doesn't He talk like a real voice to anyone today?

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Trav,
1. you express respect for God's word then say men wrote it!
2. 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20,21, for example, contradict your view.

Jesus and the apostles quoted from the OT ..
---Warwick on 11/16/09

1.Scriptures we hold are exactly what GOD left for Israel and others. Men have touched,translated and tried to hide,cloak certain things. Like yourself, sometimes believing what they have translated. This truth is revealed in scriptures, in spite of.
2. You found two scriptures. Good for you. Although they do not say what you need them too. Typical. 16All Scripture is God-breathed...
And it is. And a parable to some.
3. They quoted from original...and O.Covenant verses that applied...to them.
---Trav on 11/17/09


Jesus does talk to us, only we are so busy running around with our heads in the clouds that we do not hear Him, listen to what He is saying. I know that He speakes to me, not only that, He is with me every day. I'll tell you why I know, I suffer renal and liver cancer, he sees to it every day that I have the meds I need to see me thru the day, he gives me energy to do most of the things I need to do. I thank Him and God every night for another day. For my life, for my Son and, his wife.I have so many things to be thankful to God and Jesus for, the illness I have is not worth my time in getting all worried and down about it. Even if I die, I Win, I will be home with my Saviour, and God. If I get healed, it'll be a blessing from them.
---Irene on 11/17/09


Jody some believe creation day-length isn't important.

However some passionately argue for long ages. They persist, becoming rude to those who disagree? Why? From experience I know it is because they have accepted nonBiblical views of origins, believing God used billions of years and evolution to create, not what Scripture says. Feeling condemned and embarrased they react emotionally, often abusing anyone who holds to Genesis, as written.

Church history shows the slide into liberalism, began when Christians accepted long-ages/evolution. This spread to denying the truth of more Scripture, until many say it doesn't matter if Jesus did physically die and physically rise again. As Scripture says they are now no longer Christian.
---Warwick on 11/17/09


Casey there is miracles today but of a different kind. the one's performed by the apostles and Jesus are not done anymore. He speak to us through his word.
---Bobby1 on 11/16/09


Trav, you express respect for God's word then say men wrote it! 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20,21, for example, contradict your view.

Jesus and the apostles quoted from the OT countless times,never hinting it was anything other than God's perfect word.

If humans lived and died before Adam then the gospel is based upon error, as the NT says death is an enemy, introduced by Adam's sin. Now overturned by Jesus' sacrificial death. The preAdamite idea undermines the Gospel.

Show from Scripture that The Flood '..was not WORLD WIDE.'

Consider 2 Peter 3, 5-7 which speaks of the world being destroyed by the flood. If it was local, as you say, will not the coming destruction of the earth, by fire, also be local?
---Warwick on 11/16/09




Biblemike, you assume that all who blog here are Christians. Would a deceiver portray themselves as a deceiver or as a believer, to sow their error?
---Warwick on 11/16/09


Biblemike: I agree. I literally got a headache reading these posts. I do like what Sandra wrote and Bob and some others as well. This argument is ridiculous though. In response to the question, I see miracles happening today all around the world. I pray to God and He answers and the Spirit does bear witness to my spirit regularly. I think it is about your level of faith and what you give God the credit for. Often times, the glory of events does not go to Him as it should. It might be more a matter of your perception than what God is doing. Pray to God about it.:)
---jody on 11/16/09


How sad a testimony appears here. We are supposed to be known by our love not our intransigence, pomposity, rudeness, frustration or anger,

God spoke to certain individuals in the Old Testament and some experienced physical appearing manifistations of angels serving as messengers from God. The same occurs in the New Testament. Acts is filled with such events. Such continues to happen today in places where God's Spirit is being heard in revivals throughout the world. This is particularly true in those places with the greatest persecution. Maybe if there was less nit picking here, we would be able to hear what we are so loudly refusing to listen to.
---biblemike on 11/16/09


Trav, you wrote "You misinterpret Truthful/rebuke for Gall. Multiple scriptural witnesses/Prophets, beat an opinion hand every time." ?????? Leave aside the jumbled rhetoric and show me where I am wrong, by Scripture.

I am afraid to look at nothing. Suggestions as to where I should look?

"Oh, you use a little greek here a little hebrew there when it seems safe. But, if it endangers your sandy foundation. Adios amoebas."

Once again cut the rhetoric, descend to the particular, and show me where I have done this.

I am not a self-proclaimed Pastor!

---Warwick on 11/16/09


Hypocritically you criticize me for being unBiblical while
3. Amazing gall!
---Warwick on 11/16/09

3.You misinterpret Truthful/rebuke for Gall. Multiple scriptural witnesses/Prophets, beat an opinion hand every time.
This is the point. Having pointed....you are afraid to look.
Oh, you use a little greek here a little hebrew there when it seems safe. But, if it endangers your sandy foundation. Adios amoebas.
You run when no one is chasing but scripture. Truth supported is easier to defend.
I always expect more out of even self proclaimed pastors. When they cannot deliver....sheep should be warned.
---Trav on 11/16/09




Hypocritically you criticize me for being unBiblical while you deny what God has written about:
1. you deny what God has written about Genesis creation,
2.world-wide flood of Noah---Warwick on 11/16/09

Hypocritically? GOD didn't write Bible. Men did. With GOD's direction. Mistranslations, perhaps intentionally allowed by GOD. Searchers find.
1. I've stated jury is still out for me on Genesis pre Adamites. You've contributed nothing.
2. Noah's flood is factual. It happened. I believe it. It was not WORLD WIDE.
Your doctrine must have it be so. So waste 10,thousand words defending. For new searchers Hebrew word Erets, Biblically answers. Civilizations that march through period underlines from mans side.
---Trav on 11/16/09


Trav, I have no self-esteem. I have only what Jesus has given me. The whole self-esteem philosophy is humanistic, while Scripture says "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. But now forgiven, not self-righteous but Christ-given righteousness.

Hypocritically you criticize me for being unBiblical while you deny what God has written about Genesis creation, the world-wide flood of Noah, and the gospel. Amazing gall!

I do not create a different version but believe what God has written.

You carry on about God but will not believe what He has written. You say He can do anything, and I agree. However you believe he sometimes fails to write truth, apparently.
---Warwick on 11/16/09


1 Corinthians 2:10-12 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God. John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth, for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak, and He will disclose to you what is to come. God speaks to me through the Spirit, giving me wisdom to make Godly decisions.
---Bob on 11/16/09


Trav you wrote 'Unwitnessed. Vague. Useless puffy Self promo again.'

Self-promo? Maybe, but only the truth. offered against ignorant, false, criticism.

Definitely witnessed, both by me and those I referred to.

Are you calling me a liar?
---Warwick on 11/14/09

3.Not yet on being a liar. Can't lie about what you are unaware/ignorant of.
Coward? Yes. You run when in error.
2. Point is you're witness/witnesses/students do not witness YOU....What you do not see or say does say more than you do verbally.
1. Your self esteem flags/lacks at times. So you puff up credibility, with subtle acheivements. Clap,clap.
Psalm 55:21
words of his mouth were smoother than butter,...
---Trav on 11/16/09


Trav
Be like God and write proper sentences.
---Warwick on 11/14/09

Exactly. Communication not possible. Will not see what you were never intended to see. Like Pilate, with authority...truth is a handspan away but, unknown to you.
If you don't/can't heed/read/understand what GOD instructed to be written. That we which we hold in our hands....how on earth could you ever understand witnessing scriptures of? You don't. You can't. Yet you(Puffy)assume to preach/teach.
You profess to know many things....but prove out nothing.
Matthew 13:13.... neither do they understand.
Proverbs 21:11
When the scorner is punished,
---Trav on 11/16/09


To those without Jesus, it is easy to think God is not alive and interested in our lives. But to those who believe, it is hard not to think of God as being alive and His plan working for all of time.

I fellowship with God, my Father, every day. I talk to Him, and He talks to me. I get guidance from His Holy Spirit and His Word. God has a divine plan for the earth, and it is being carried out with or without man. I see it unfolding in the news of ever day.

Many false teachers abound today, and they are leading people away from the truth of the Bible and God's teachings. This is a sign of God's plan at work.
---Sandra on 11/15/09


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Trav you wrote 'Unwitnessed. Vague. Useless puffy Self promo again.'

Self-promo? Maybe, but only the truth. offered against ignorant, false, criticism.

Definitely witnessed, both by me and those I referred to.

Are you calling me a liar?
---Warwick on 11/14/09


Trav how would I know if your morse code does or does not fit my doctrine? I rarely have a clue what you are on about.

Be like God and write proper sentences.
---Warwick on 11/14/09


The many thousands I have taught say otherwise.
---Warwick on 11/13/09

Unwitnessed. Vague. Useless puffy Self promo again. I've experienced what you don't teach or see.
You write an eloquent sarcastic hand. Rarely substance just your worn opinions. A legend in ur own mind, you ascertain this is enough.
Which educates some. Scripturally, opinion is just hot air unless u provide witnesses in scripture.
These are what you do not like to acknowledge. You cannot connect them, your telling me. Its because they are foreign language to you. Sorry you're having problems putting the unecessary connectors (and,if,but,the) back in sentences I cut out sometimes. (Most peoples minds add these subconsiously).
Matthew 15:14
---Trav on 11/14/09


If you were to write plainly then we could understand.

It is ignorant of you to judge that I do not understand Scripture. The many thousands I have taught say otherwise.
---Warwick on 11/13/09

You teach nothing if it is unsupported in scripture. The trouble you are having with my post is they do not fit your doctrine. The syndrome is this and common among self ordained: I've taught thousands...if he/scripture is saying what is posted....I've been wrong for 600 pulpits. Even in french.
We could say your pride will not let you see. If you were able to in the first place. Which is not evident.
---Trav on 11/14/09


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Miche, you gave Athiest the right answer to his question, "God was so inconsistant", when you said,
"Athiest,
the inconsistancies you see are because of man's imperfections, not God's"


That is the correct answer. Though God knows what man will do, He still permits some to sin and others not to. The one's that sin are responsible for their actions. God does not make them sin. God is not inconsistant. Obedience is not an option. Athiest doesn't believe in spiritual things.
---MarkV. on 11/14/09


Trav, you are half right! I do not understand what you write, but only because most of it is abreviated meaningless nonsense. If you were to write plainly then we could understand.

It is ignorant of you to judge that I do not understand Scripture. The many thousands I have taught say otherwise.
---Warwick on 11/13/09


just as the apostles.and jesus himself,we are called to be witnesses of God.after jesus returned to the father we are witnesses of the son to the world.iam sorry athiest that you dont believe YET.
---tom2 on 11/13/09


Trav,
1."I will rebuke a lie or ignorance."

2. Everything you say is true because you claim it is true
3.You apparently think yourself a conduit for the 'word of god'. How arrogant.
4.How many 'false prophets' thought as you?
---atheist on 11/12/09

Well I apologize. I was not thinking of you when I wrote that.
1. If it applies, feel free to use it though. (C both re-reading your post)
2.Called witnesses.
3. Am way past thinking I am conduit for GOD. GOD draws, or shows even through the most ignorant man....who he wants. I leave it up to him.
4. The points are witnessed. None did.
You sir r mainly looking for more excuses ..
Proverbs 8:5
O ye simple,
---Trav on 11/13/09


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Atheist we share something else. I have read Trav's writings for ages and mostly have no idea what he is on about. ....writes in 'morse code' purposely. What a waste of effort!
---Warwick on 11/12/09

Now see atheist...above is an anomoly rarely seen in public. A self labeled shp-herder an atheist walking/plowing hand in hand against witnesses in scripture. Wow. I'm not smart enough to line this revealing up. You've got a new soldier!

Warwick is correct about me. I post for ones that can see...or desiring to see. He can't see,not being either of these. Outed him out long ago.
The "sheep", in scripture. 189 times found.
Matt 10:6 & 15:24 (6)Go rather to the lost sheep HOUSE of Israel.
---Trav on 11/13/09


Warwick ... I don't think you will get anywhere by asking Atheist "did you approach, and do you now relate to your wife, in the way you approach and deal with God?"

Atheist knows that his wife exists, he does not know God exists.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/10/09

If you look back on this...he tried to hijack/kidnap the point he thought I was making. But, not understanding the scriptural point it didn't go where he thought it would. Jealous,he thought I might be making a convert out of atheist. ha.
He lusted after the trophy so to speak. Not understanding scripture again. Racing when no race existed.
---Trav on 11/13/09


Atheist we share something else. I have read Trav's writings for ages and mostly have no idea what he is on about. Every now and then he writes a sentence which makes sense. But not often. However it shows he can write properly but writes in 'morse code' purposely. What a waste of effort!
---Warwick on 11/12/09


athiest,I dont know about all the other blogers here,as for me I really am getting tired of the same rederrick from you. It,s apparent you dont believe in God,and by the word of God only his spirit can change you,and convict you, but you must first admitt to yourself what you are and who he is.Dont think that unusual because thats where we all have been before we were saved,Its called being lost.Also I really wish you,and all bloggers would keep in mind that arguing is not the answer to any question,its truth. Truth for you is much different that truth for me,yours is of the world,the flesh,mine is by the spirit,and the word of GOD.
---tom2 on 11/12/09


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Trav, "I will rebuke a lie or ignorance."

And you say nothing yourself. Everything you say is true because you claim it is true because you wrote it down in response to something you think applies from the bible. No matter how disjointed, unreadable, and seemingly off point that response is. You apparently think yourself a conduit for the 'word of god'. How arrogant. How many 'false prophets' thought as you?
---atheist on 11/12/09


Oh yeah, the ones that disagree with you are not true 'whatevers' (fill in your particular religion or denomination), or you haven't studied enough, or perhaps you are possesed by demons.
---atheist on 11/11/09

Ha. You never seen me print the above. I try to post so that the argument is not with me but scripture. I will rebuke a lie or ignorance.
Let GOD choose who he wants. I'll give you one more that no one here has ever discussed among the many.
It can be your mystery that is not. Isa 54:4-5....and shall not remember the reproach of thy "widowhood" any more.
God would have to die. GOD can't die. This was prophesied written. Previous to Christ death. Widowhood of all Israel. Judah too.
---Trav on 11/12/09


Back down to Atheist 11/9/09 answering what I offered > I'd say what you are saying is clear, and I can think of earlier scripture instances to which you might refer. And, considering this is how us humans indeed can be . . . God would seem this way to us.

"With the merciful You will show Yourself merciful,
.With a blameless man You will show Yourself blameless,
.With the pure You will show Yourself pure,
.And with the devious You will show Yourself shrewd.
.For You will save the humble people,
.But will bring down haughty looks."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Psalm 18:27)

Plus, for us who would make ourselves His judge > His ways are "past finding out" (in Romans 11:33) (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/11/09


athiest ,in one answer as a believer and having a doctriate in theology I can tell you that all people who have lived or will live ,lot,his daughters,abraham,whoever will be judged by God at the end,its called the great white throne judgement,they will be hudged for everthing they said and did. God must do this,he doesn,t always pinish while we live here,but he will.
---tom2 on 11/12/09


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Au contraire Trav I believe I understand Scripture well. Conversely I (like others) have little idea what you mean as you appear to string together non-connected phrases and quote Scriptures which appear to have little connection to anything.

If you were to write in sentences maybe we could understand!

Meanwhile it is crass of you to write lies about me, such as this "Curious, was writing to you on the other blog. Not french/pr racer. He can't understand my gib, (mostly scripture). Not a revelation. He doesn't want to understand scripture is obvious to me. He never posts a witness scripture,backing a scripture or prophet, just ole denoma-sales pitch. (Afraid of weight of scripture.)..."
---Warwick on 11/12/09


Trav,
I have little doubt that you have read and interconnect 1000 other verses, communed with god to make sense of it,--- but no you still can't explain it.
---atheist on 11/11/09

Hard head/heart,let me explain. I belong to no denom. None. Was similar to you. A doubter.
I didn't/don't need it to make sense to you. I needed it to make logic/sense to me.
It does.
Mine fits word/picture/puzzle perfect. Because of "Witnesses". Just need two.
Confusion reigns here because of indoctrination entanglement of single or few verses not supported by any prophet,individual or GOD himself.
I can say though that pure belief/faith is better than the proof I know & have.
What do you have? Nothing.
---Trav on 11/11/09


Trav,

I have little doubt that you have read and interconnect 1000 other verses, communed with god to make sense of it,--- but no you still can't explain it.

And as long as you can't and don't explain, you can move on in the illusion that there are 100's of millions of you who have had the same experience and believe the same things.

The problem is, as they say, the devil is in the details. Look at all these blogs...does anyone here really agree with anyone else? Can anyone find a consistent moral thread in the story of Lot?

Oh yeah, the ones that disagree with you are not true 'whatevers' (fill in your particular religion or denomination), or you haven't studied enough, or perhaps you are possesed by demons.
---atheist on 11/11/09


I have worked your writing 'style' out Trav. You write sense then randomly delete sections. Meaningless just doesn't quite say it! Ramblings comes closer.
Conversely I can understand the word of God, which,though complicated, is clear in comparison.
---Warwick on 11/10/09

Ha. U R right in part.
I've witnessed your butcher block understanding. Clear as mud.
U don't understand the ramblings...because they refer to scripture. Which your opinion is greater than. Your work is in your "image".

32If thou hast done foolishly in lifting up thyself, or if thou hast thought evil, lay thine hand upon thy mouth.

33Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter,
---Trav on 11/11/09


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..moral of this story is? Or are you going to tell me that I have to read and interconnect 1000 other verses, commune with god to make sense of it but still not be unable to explain it?
---atheist on 11/11/09

I explained it.
You don't have to do anything. Choice. GOD knowing this mindset has answer:

12If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not, doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

14So shall knowledge of wisdom be unto thy soul: when thou hast found it, then there shall be a reward,thy expectation shall not be cut off.

Problem...keep hanging around there are no excuses.
---Trav on 11/11/09


He turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt the moment she looked over her shoulder, but now ignores unconscionable acts on scales more numerous and horridous than anything 'biblical'.
No this is truly bizarre!
---atheist on 11/10/09

Take 2nd look. Compare to yourself. GOD personally saved them from disaster! All the woman had to do was not look back (desire/fear/whatever reason) she would be safe!
How many chances you need. Atheist. You,are playing same game. If drawn. And shown truth....that can't be denied.
But, if denied...when you know better. Greet Mrs Salty. He's long on patience....tolerating what you would have punished or taken care of already. Glad he doesn't use your measure stick.
---Trav on 11/11/09


No Tom,

I am asking about the coherency of the bible as the word of god. Are you saying that reading the bible and trying to understand it is some form of intellecualism?

What lessons are we to take from the story of Lot:

God is negoitiable especially when Abraham's familiy is involved?

Virgin daughters are to be given away and disrespected as one would a unused car?

Disobeying god in some minor way incurs immediate punishment?

Getting drunk and sleeping with your daugthers doesn't incur god's punishment?

And the moral of this story is? Or are you going to tell me that I have to read and interconnect 1000 other verses, commune with god to make sense of it but still not be unable to explain it?
---atheist on 11/11/09


He does, but many people are preoccupied and do not listen to him.
---Eloy on 11/11/09


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athiest,just as every other non believer, you ask for factual evidence,proveable data to show that God exists,there is none beyond the unexplainable documented miracles,which are many.as with all inleectuals you attempt tp think your way to God by reason,and its not expalainable or provable.
---tom2 on 11/10/09


Offered his most special (daughters) to keep the depraved from offending the holy in a dangerous situ. (trav)
(Lot believed these two to be just strangers, not angels of the Lord.
A. Why prevent the debauchery of strangers rather than give up his daugthers?
B. Why not fight, would god not help him?] ---atheist on 11/10/09

One must read some sign in places for proof...or a concordance for wording in Hebrew to gather fuller meanings of.
Lot bowed his head,called them Lords (signs of awareness)he/you would know and would have dread.
A. What is anything of value compared to offending GOD sent individuals.
B. Fight...you would perhaps, I would perhaps.....but, he called these people brethren. Kill some cousins perhaps?
---Trav on 11/10/09


3-4.They prosper not with GOD. They are moabites,ammonites...cousins through Abraham.[So they were't punished, they prospered!]

---atheist on 11/10/09

B. (cont'd) Is Lot close to GOD? His appeal recorded? No. Living in sewage pit he disconnected perhaps? Own Son in Laws are perverted they laugh at him. Made a bad bed and now he is laying in it. If Lot was given into the life style we wouldn't hear about him anymore...which answers the question on his wife/salt block. She missed/longed for excitement obviously. Enough to look back.
3-4. Prosper? Not in history. Could not serve GOD for Ten Generations.
Israel to prosper ...fornicate, 10 nations of divorced, 12 nations of ending in widowhood. As per today.
---Trav on 11/10/09


Trav, you wrote: "Curious, was writing to you on the other blog. Not french/pr racer. He can't understand my gib, (mostly scripture). Not a revelation. He doesn't want to understand scripture is obvious to me. He never posts a witness scripture,backing a scripture or prophet, just ole denoma-sales pitch. (Afraid of weight of scripture.) Not being hateful, but bluntly truthful....."

I have worked your writing 'style' out Trav. You write sense then randomly delete sections. Meaningless just doesn't quite say it! Ramblings comes closer.

Conversely I can understand the word of God, which,though complicated, is clear in comparison.
---Warwick on 11/10/09


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Well Trav,

1. Lot was living where he wanted. Attracted by wickedness. [Didn't god see into his heart, why not destroy Lot with the depraved rest?
A. Is god nepotistic?]---atheist on 11/10/09

1. One at a time. GOD knew before he left Abraham. Abraham knew the condition as well (neighboring town). Abe negotiated the sparing of the whole city if possible(knowing Lot & family resided) if noted. There is protection covenant/blessings of Abraham lines as well.
A. Yes. Just like you are with your family. One reason I enquired about your wife is GOD married. Now no one teaches this or points it out but it is noted in scripture. His perogative. Like you and your wife made your choice.
---Trav on 11/10/09


Atheist, I attended a Christian week-long conference where there were hundreds of children. From many different denominations. A major newspaper attempted to ridicule the beliefs expressed, however it backfired. The writer commented how well behaved, happy and respectful the children were. People reading this were attracted as children en mass today are very very rarely well behaved, happy, and respectful.

Though Christians are far from perfect, being human, I see their beliefs do not derrange their thinking but make them happier, and better citizens. 'By their fruit you will recognize them,' Matt 7:16

Conversely I see the despair so many who do not have faith in Jesus display. Drunkeness, drug-taking, violence. Pointlessness!
---Warwick on 11/10/09


Well Trav,

1. Lot was living where he wanted. Attracted by wickedness. [Didn't god see into his heart, why not destroy Lot with the depraved rest? Is god nepotistic?] Offered his most special to keep the depraved from offending the holy in a dangerous situ.[Lot believed these two to be just strangers, not angels of the Lord. Why prevent the debauchery of strangers rather than give up his daugthers? Why not fight, would god not help him?] His goofy daughters done this. GOD did not overlook. [He turned Sarah to salt for looking back and did nothing when Lot's daughters fornicated with him!?] 3-4.They prosper not with GOD. They are moabites,ammonites...cousins through Abraham.[So they were't punished, they prospered!]
---atheist on 11/10/09


Miche and Trav,

Again,

Lot living as he believes god would have him live offers up his virgin daughters to be used for uspeakable depravity to protect two strangers. God then turns Lot's wife into salt for looking over her shoulder. Later, god turn's a blind eye to Lot's daughters as they get their father so drunk that he sleeps with them and gets them pregnant. Are Lot or the daughters punished for this debauchery? Then their sons, apparently with the blessings of god, grow up to become the leaders of great tribes.

Prior: Abraham negotiated with god if good men can be found in Sodom.

You seem to claim that you have the ability to understand, so explain please?
---atheist on 11/10/09


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1. Lot living as he believes god would have him.....
2.God turns Lot's wife into salt for looking over her shoulder.
3.Later, god turn's a blind eye to Lot's daughters ...he sleeps with them and gets them pregnant.
3. Are Lot or the daughters punished for this debauchery?
4.Then their sons, apparently with the blessings of god, grow up to become the leaders of great tribes.---atheist on 11/9/09

1. Lot was living where he wanted. Attracted by wickedness. Offered his most special to keep the depraved from offending the holy in a dangerous situ.
2. His goofy daughters done this. GOD did not overlook.
3-4.They prosper not with GOD. They are moabites,ammonites...cousins through Abraham.
---Trav on 11/10/09


Samuel,


"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Pirsig


So how do you determine those who are insane from those who are hearing 'god'?

Or is it possible that the insane, unencumbered with the burdens of a real and rational world, can just hear 'god' better? Maybe we should be getting our spiritual guidance from the clearly insane? Or maybe that would be as it is now...

This is a true conundrum.
---atheist on 11/10/09


People today who claim to hear from GOD are usually rejected out of hand as insane by most people. So GOD I believe does speak and has spoken to modern people. But most just reject it.
---Samuel on 11/10/09


Trav and Warwick, it is you who disrespect God, projecting your own dislike of humanity on Him, who loves us and intends to save us from sin.
(in Psalm 136 twenty-six times!). God love you, and God be with you.
---Curious.one on 11/8/09

Curious, was writing to you on the other blog. Not french/pr racer. He can't understand my gib, (mostly scripture). Not a revelation. He doesn't want to understand scripture is obvious to me. He never posts a witness scripture,backing a scripture or prophet, just ole denoma-sales pitch. (Afraid of weight of scripture.) Not being hateful, but bluntly truthful.
Not being arrogant but,warning any who see.
Ezekiel 3:20 ...but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 3:19-21
---Trav on 11/10/09


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God is completely inconsistent in the bible.
What lesson in consistency am I to take from that?
---atheist on 11/9/09

The very thing that you do take from it. He appears inconsistant. Did to me too for 40 years....based on the way he is taught by ignorant, some lying,blinded wolves in sheeps clothing.
Now that I've found common connection, right in front of our nose....the thread....there are no inconsistency's. The expanding/underlayment of witnessed truth is overwhelming.
But, if you do not ask you cannot see it. If you are not drawn you cannot come. If drawn,knock,seek ask.
See consistant thread? Computer concordance sheep KJV.
---Trav on 11/10/09


God is completely inconsistent in the bible.

What lesson in consistency am I to take from that?
---atheist on 11/9/09

Not true.
Jesus says plainly that if you are not of him you won't understand what he is telling us and that it won't make sense and it will seem to contridict.
Before I was saved, I was just like you.
Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand
Also, read 1 Corinthians chapter 3. It speaks of the carnal minded.
---miche3754 on 11/10/09


Atheist, so "God can be inconsistent, capricious, changeable, conflicted, contrary, erratic, fickled, illogical, inconstant, irreconcilable, mercurial, temperamental, uncertain, unpredictable, unstable, dictatorial, imperious, and willful."

I can see why you are morbidly fascinated and horrified regarding hell. One part of you acknowledges the reality while at the same time the other part falsely accuses God of the above! It would appear that that which he most feared came upon him!
---Warwick on 11/10/09


Bill,

Right. God does not have to be consistent...

God can be inconsistent, capricious, changeable, conflicted, contrary, erratic, fickled, illogical, inconstant, irreconcilable, mercurial, temperamental, uncertain, unpredictable, unstable, dictatorial, imperious, and willful.

Why should I expect differently? Afterall god made man in his image,---so he should be just like regular people. Or did man make god in man's image?

In any case the bible does describe an inconsistent and arbitrary 'god'.

But what are we to learn from one who is so consistently unstable?
---atheist on 11/9/09


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Atheist, Scripture is God's record of His dealing with man-'warts and all' showing the depravity of man, lost in sin. Why do you assume God has turned a blind eye to any sin?

Noah's flood was a judgement for sin. Is this turning a blind eye? The final destruction and judgement will also come.

How can you use your reasoning powers to judge God? You, as you believe, are the end product of untold eons of naturalistic evolution. Your brain evolved without intelligent input. How do you know your reasoning powers have evolved correctly? What can you check them by?

The Christian has the reality check of the Creators word! Scripture shows I am not in telescope viewing distance of perfection, but forgiven. Praise God for that!
---Warwick on 11/9/09


Ok, Atheist, that is clear, I think. But who said God has to be "consistent" according to your standards and way of reasoning? Are God and we under the *dictatorship* of what you say is thinking and reason? Can you provide proof that your standard is right? What is your basis of authority, if you have any beside simply that you have said so? If you can just come up with how you can dictate things have to be, then I suppose God who is more than you are certainly can make up His own mind about how He does things. And He's doing more good than you are (o: in any case.

I'll offer, though > He can personally deal with each wrong person, in the next life, if He pleases. Plus, now, He resists whoever is wrong > James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/9/09


Tom,

I do get it. But what you are proclaiming is that anything, anything, that anyone believes is true, because they believe it.

Unless of course it disagrees with what you believe, in which case it is untrue. You then must hold the knowledge of the universe which you claim is unknowable by mankind.

So we all can know nothing, except you who know its all, which is nothing?

Got it.

Reason sucks. Please don't think. Just believe anything you want to...
---atheist on 11/9/09


Miche,

The inconsistencies are not mine. God is completely inconsistent in the bible.

Lot living as he believes god would have him live offers up his virgin daughters to be used for uspeakable depravity to protect two strangers. God then turns Lot's wife into salt for looking over her shoulder. Later, god turn's a blind eye to Lot's daughters as they get their father so drunk that he sleeps with them and gets them pregnant. Are Lot or the daughters punished for this debauchery? Then their sons, apparently with the blessings of god, grow up to become the leaders of great tribes.

What lesson in consistency am I to take from that?
---atheist on 11/9/09


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athiest,again all you are pointing out is the inconsistency in the human race,in the flesh,in the mind,in a flesh perception of a supreme spiritual God,this alone,trying to understand God who is spirit,the spirit of truth is beyond human ,aka the fleshes understanding,that is why its called FAITH.You as with many athiests wont believe because you attempt to use your mind,your flesh,science to explain the unexplainable.
---tom2 on 11/9/09


casey, God speaks to us all the time through His Word. His Voice is His Word.

If you memorize scripture and speak them out everyday, the Holy Spirit, assuming you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, He brings them to your rememberance. Jesus told us that in the Gospel of John. In First John it says you have no need of a teacher, the anointing from the Holy one teaches you all things.

Regarding miracles. I had one on September 22nd. I was bleeding to death in my liver, getting ready for surgery when the doctors took another CAT scan and said the bleeding stopped by itself. God Stopped the bledding, it didn't just stop on it's own. I told the Doctors that and then they said, you had a real miracle, didn't you? I said YES.
---Donna on 11/9/09


Athiest,
the inconsistancies you see are because of man's imperfections, not God's.

We are not without fault. None are perfect except God.

So, look at God ask him and he will convey what HE wants and needs for you to know.
May I ask you a question?
If God did not exist we would not even have life in us.
---miche3754 on 11/9/09


\\But I mean, why aren't miracles like that still happening today?\\

Where did you get the idea they weren't?

\\God talked to Samuel in real life and Moses, so why doesn't He talk like a real voice to anyone today?\\

Again, where did you get the idea He didn't?

God's voice is REAL, but not always physical. Usually He speaks to us in the "still small voice" of conscience. Sometimes He speaks to us in and by the circumstances in which we find ourselves. Sometimes He may deliver His message through other people--who may not even recognize at the time that they are doing so!

In short, God is omnipotent, and is not limited to the few examples in the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/9/09


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Tom,

What I observe is a consistency of confusion regarding 'god' between not only the adherents of different religions, but also confusion and uncertainty regarding the nature and wants of 'god' within those who say they are adherents of the same religion.

Given this state of confused beliefs, it would seem to me that if 'god' needed to make his presence known by talking to people in real life and in a real voice, that he should and would do it now. Of course if 'he' doesn't exist, that would be impossible.
---atheist on 11/9/09


Tommy,

Pointing out that the 'word of god' is a belief is hardly poking fun.

Your claim that "He has given us all we need to know in the Bible," is strangely ironic. People now and through the centuries have used the Bible to support their own personal, political, and social beliefs. It is infinitely interpretable, but its meaning unclear yet fully adaptable to everyone's particular and peculiar needs, providing 'evidence' for whatever anyone wants to believe.

You are right, it provides us all we need to know based on what we want to know or how ignorant we want to comfortably remain.
---atheist on 11/9/09


athiest,how observant of you to notice how inconsistent the human race is.we are confused to alot,lie,lazy,cruel,silly,stupid,prideful,blah,blah,blah,what a mess.
---tom2 on 11/9/09


Recently at a meeting the Lord spoke to me twice(not audibly) and I told others at the meeting what the Lord had said. I have just been told is morning by my wife who happened to be at the meeting and I should not have spoken up as she thought the people in the meeting were very resentful of my saying that I heard from the Lord. Interesting!!
---mima on 11/9/09


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The reason God doesn't "speak" in an audible voice to people today is because He has given us all we need to know in the Bible(which atheist has so cleverly poked fun at) and because His Son Jesus Christ was/is the Word in the flesh. It is largely a matter of faith and you have to decide for yourself whether you will allow God's word to affect your life and worldview. There are still miracles happening today, but, people are trying to explain them away with medical/scientific explanations.
---tommy3007 on 11/9/09


Communication is deeper than words and what can show. Paul says, of a Christian, "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) So, we can be "one spirit with" God Himself, with Him where the words and miracles come from . . . in His very own love having Heaven's very own pleasantness and personal caring and sharing deeper than words and show and charming and toning the voice. Notice how ones have gotten married, without even knowing one another, because they have judged by outward showing and say-so. We can be with God, Himself, in His Holy Spirit, one with Him so we even feel what He is feeling.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/8/09


Casey, no one can discover the depths of God, or discover the limits of the Almighty. For Father has done many miraculous things, He is the LORD our God, and has made many wonderful plans for us. No one compares to Him, and no one will ever know the depth of the riches, of the wisdom, and of the knowledge of our Father, or search out his decisions to fully understand the path He takes. Yet it is given us to know this, Father loved all of us enough to sent His Son to die for us so that we may live in Him, and has in these last days has spoken to us in His Son. Casey we have His written word, and He speaks to us through the still small voice of our conscious. Job 11:7>Ps.40:5>Joh 3:16>Heb. 1:2>1 Kings 19:12
---josef on 11/8/09


well first of all I nor anyone doesn,t really know that he doesn,t,or that he does.But since jesus scripture tells us that he speaks thru us,we are his messingers.
---tom2 on 11/8/09


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because God himself became man to make you understand IN A BETTER WAY. so now we dont need samuel and mosess
---rajesh on 11/8/09


Maybe God is angry with us.
---amand6348 on 11/8/09


It's a matter of faith.

The bible is the "word of god", that "god" spoke to anyone in the past, that "miracles" happened, that there is a "god"---are matters of faith. Believe one and you must believe them all. It's a choice, just like believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

With a deep enough "faith" none of it has to make sense for now or in the past. You just have to believe, and your beliefs don't necessarily have to agree with anyone else's---everyone who believe's in 'god' essentially has their own personal god anyway, as evidenced by the lack of consistency in belief by those on these blogs.

Or you could just say, "I don't know", refusing to fear death.
---atheist on 11/8/09


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