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Releasing The Spirit Of Jezebel

How can I get rid of a spirit of Jezebel if I believe it is operating in me? Is that possible?

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1John 2:16. The spirit is power hungry, manipulative, and is adept at seducing others, yet hates all mankind. They who have this, can often be found near powerful people, but seek their own followers - Jezebels' and Ahabs'. It supports the Prophets of Baal, and seeks to annihilate Gods' Prophets. Eventually, it will destroy those nearby, including those who operates in it. They are strongly religious, but death, rather than life, is its' fruit. Taking the resolve of a King Jehu mixed with the integrity of an Elijah, those people, and their followers, must be rebuked. 1Kings 16:31, 18:4-19:3, 21:1-25, 2Kings 9:22, 30-37, Revelations 2:20-23.
Note: Jezebels' subtil operation in some of the previous entries.


---Glenn on 12/2/09


Lee1538:

Should we not follow Christs example?
You answered:
Up to a point. One should realize that Christ was a Jew and followed all the laws given by God thru Moses. //
What Scriptural authority do you have to follow Christ only up to a point?

Where in Scripture, it reads, we follow Christ up to a point. What point? To the point set by apostates teachings that do not consent to His words?

We have specific Scriptures for wide set doctrines, for instance:

We are saved by Grace through faith:

Eph 2:8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves


Pleaser read 1Timothy 6:3-4

Any man that contradicts His words, He is proud, knowing nothing!
---Paul9594 on 12/2/09


When virtually all your prayers have been (and are being answered) and His blessings continue to flow, with a sense of His presence throughout the day, and you are given a clear conscience, what else can we conclude except that we are in His favor?

I am speaking the truth in Christ-I am not lying, my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit Romans 9:1

But my faultfinding weaker brothers in Christ will object by pointing out I sin by not observing the Jewish Sabbath and I eat ham & eggs for breakfast.
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09


Isaiah 1:5-6 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it, but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

God will not beat you forever. He has given you his Holy Spirit, with it comes power to overcome. If you resist the Holy Spirit and rebel long enough the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience. Why? because he hates those that tred under foot the Blood of his Son.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


exzucuh - your words are very true.

If we truly belong to Him and have been born of His Spirit, we will see a war in ourselves between His Spirit and our spirit.

Ro 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

And since He loves us, He will discipline us.

Hebrews 12:7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09




If you walk in the flesh you will fulfill the desires of the flesh. You receive power over the flesh when the Holy Spirit comes upon you so you must seek the Holy Spirit to be upon you all the time. You also have to fast and pray and take up your cross. You have to consume the word of God. If you do not eat the bread of God you will starve to death spiritually and if only the flesh is alive You will serve your flesh.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


Paul9594//One must also walk after righteousness which is keeping the law because one is saved, this being the evidence of change by the dwelling of the Holy Spirit taking one from lawless to righteous works of the Law, providing for poor etc.

Those born of His Spirit do walk in accordance to the law - the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2, 1 Cor. 9:21), not the Old Mt. Sinai law represented by Hagar who bears children unto slavery. I have not been deceived as to my salvation in Christ.

Gal. 4:24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are 2 covenants. One is from Mt. Sinai, bearing children for slavery, she is Hagar.

All my mentors have been Godly men and I have no reason to doubt my salvation and walk with Christ.
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09


//But many, many, many not some or few Christians will be surprised that doing the MIGHTY works in His name is not enough!!!

Sounds like you truly believe our salvation is by works rather than as a gift from the Lord. Are you familiar with -

Eph. 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God,not a result of works, so that no one may boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Jesus is truly enough - Hebrew 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09


Paul - If we have any trust at all in our own righteousness (filthy rags in Isaiah. 64:6) for our salvation, then we truly will hear Christ tell us that he never knew us. However, the believers righteousness is Christ.

1Co 1:30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09


//Abraham an example, was he just a faith man?

Abraham was considered righteous based upon his faith

Romans 4:1-3 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.

those in whom the promise was received are those who believe in Christ and are viewed as rigtheous because of their faith.

4:16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring, not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, ...
---Lee1538 on 12/1/09




//Yes, there were commandments, statutes and laws even in those days.. long before there was ever a Israelite, or a Jew!

It is clear that Abraham's obedience was an obedience of faith to the specific commands of God given to him and not to any law given centuries later.

To believe the commandments, statues, etc. were of the Mosaic law given centuries later is plainly very poor exegetics of scripture, wrought by those who are attempting to lure the Christian away from grace and back under the bondage of the OT law. O Foolish Galatians (3:1)
---Lee1538 on 12/1/09


Lee1538:

//Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God //

Many, many, many, THINK they have the Spirit, because they do mighty works in His name and fruits are SEEN, for the sake of those who hear and believe.

But many, many, many not some or few Christians will be surprised that doing the MIGHTY works in His name is not enough!!!

Scripture proof:

Matthew 7:21-23 Depart from me, worker of lawlessness!

One must also walk after righteousness which is keeping the law because one is saved, this being the evidence of change by the dwelling of the Holy Spirit taking one from lawless to righteous works of the Law, providing for poor etc.
---Paul9594 on 12/1/09


Abraham an example, was he just a faith man?

Genesis 18:19 - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of YAHWEH, to do justice and judgment, that YAHWEH may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Isaac blessed because:

Genesis 26:5 - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Yes, there were commandments, statutes and laws even in those days.. long before there was ever a Isralite,or a Jew!

Abraham who received the promise by faith was also after the commandments,

Have the Grace agers, been told the ful story of Abraham?
---Paul9594 on 12/1/09


Lee1538:

Our Father is perfect and ALL KNOWING!

Do many say this? But dont believe it?

God FORESAW fall of man and being ALL KNOWING, He gave THE perfect principles for us during this fall.

Knowing the Perfect principles are given for during this fall, Christ confirmed them:

Matthew 18 For Amn I say unto you, Till :heaven and :earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things come to pass.

Should we change perfect principles set by the ALL KNOWING?

Why are perfect principles only for Jews? And we not worthy, grated into the same vine?

We dont need decide whats best, we need to follow His perfect principles for the fall!
---Paul9594 on 12/1/09


//Are you of the very elect?

It is my understanding that the elect are all those that are in Christ, for whom there is no condemnation. Romans 8:1

So if the Spirit of the Lord indwelts you then you are in Christ and one of the elect.

Ro 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

And this is something one can realize.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
---Lee1538 on 11/30/09


//Here problem, too many teachers, there is only one teacher, Christ/our Father.

Of course, as far as the very essentials are concerned, we have that annoiting from the Holy Spirit -

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everythingand is true and is no lie, just as it has taught youabide in him.

Howbeit for our spiritual growth the Lord has given to His church teachers so that we may learn about the truth concerning the Lord. The Holy Spirit works thru those teachers. Eph. 4:11-12
---Lee1538 on 11/30/09


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//Should we not follow Christs example?

Up to a point. One should realize that Christ was a Jew and followed all the laws given by God thru Moses. Acts 15 Jerusalem council did not mandate Gentiles need convert to Judaism.

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem (liberate, free, emancipate, deliver, rescue, save) them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Howbeit, if it is your desire to eat kosher, observe the Jewish feasts and holy days, be circumcised, offer sacrifices, do temple things, etc. as Jesus did, that is permissible according to Romans 14.
---Lee1538 on 11/30/09


Dear friend, just as it happened during Pharisees, and the Catholic reign, with Gods people mind being ruled by bad doctrine, so it has happened today.

Leaders either meaning well or knowingly rule Gods people mind with in part bad doctrine, even in our day!

Is anything new under the sun?
Eccl 3:15
That which IS hath been long ago,
and that which IS TO BE hath long ago BEEN: and GOD SEEKETH again that which is PASSED away.

Good news, its ULTIMATELY impossible for theVERY elect to be deceived.

Are you of the very elect?

To be plucked out of false teachings ruling Gods people minds in our generation?

Then be obedient to the words of Christ do not contradict to His teachings.
---Paul9594 on 11/30/09


Lee1538:

Should we not follow Christs example?


Luke 4:16-30 and many other verses Jesus preached, healed on the Sabbath.

Healing and doing good on the Sabbath was ok for this day.

The question comes down to:

How we are to observe the Sabbath?

We can see how He kept it and we can do the same. In addition we can follow the Sabbath as the Scriptures say. Not how the Pharisees say!

If He broke the Sabbath, He would not be the sinless Lamb offering! Because transgression of the Law is sin 1 John 3:4
---Paul9594 on 11/30/09


About circumcision, lets learn from the Torah, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, Word, this is what Christ called it, not Old Testament!

ALL ALIENS can be BROUGHT INTO THE COVENANT, no just Jews!

Genesis 17:10-14

10 we find, "This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee, EVERY MAN CHILD >>>AMONG YOU<<< SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you." 12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, HE THAT IS BORN IN THE HOUSE, OR BOUGHT WITH MONEY OF >>>>ANY STRANGER, WHICH IS NOT OF THY SEED<<<<."
---Paul9594 on 11/30/09


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Lee:

>>important to learn, memorize Christ words in NT (ASV)" thus we need to heed the teachers the Lord has given to His church as they are the ones anointed as teachers <<

Here problem, too many teachers, there is only one teacher, Christ/our Father.

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbei: for one is your:teacher, and all ye are BRETHREN.
9 And call no one your father on the earth: for one is your:Father, the heavenly one. among you shall be your MINISTER.

The rest brethren, ministers with message of the Teachings of Christ, no one can change our teachers teachings. Follow Christs teachings, as close, as some who follow supposed anointed teachers of the Truth.

Who is anointed, minister, brethren ?
---Paul9594 on 11/29/09


Paul - physical circumcision was required of all Jews in order to be in the Old Covenant dispensation.

However, this law was annulled and not required of the Gentiles, nor were laws that were strictly Jewish in nature.

We can all agree that laws that were moral in nature or reflected the holiness of God were required of all who became Christians.

The fulfillment of the law that is required of all believers is simply love of neighbor according to Romans 13:9-10. So we feed the hungry, cloth the naked, visit those in prison, minister to the sick, etc. as if we do it to the least of His we have done it unto HIm - we need not go to church on Wednesday nights.
---Lee1538 on 11/29/09


Before we talk the Sabbath.

Having established The Law and The Prophets as His Word for teaching, correction, to be wise unto salvation, per 2 Timothy 3:16
Other points readily seen need to made about honoring His Word:

During His ministry He refers to Scripture, Law and the Prophets to make His points and preaching, even to the Pharisees.

Apostles teach Gospel using Word, Scripture 40 to 65 yrs INTO the Church age.

We SEE Bereans use Law and The Prophets to verify the apostles preaching INTO THE CHURCH AGE, whether their teachings aligns with the Scriptures or not.

Bereans checked for heresy by the OT not NT

I do the same as the Bereans did. Use Scripture to not be led into heresies!
---Paul9594 on 11/29/09


Good enough answer as to [Spirit of]Christ being the one who makes the determination as to what contradicts the OT Covenant that should be thrown out.

We agree "its important to learn, memorize Christ words in NT (ASV)" thus we need to heed the teachers the Lord has given to His church as they are the ones annointed as teachers in the study of His word to give direction.

And I will agree that the New Covenant should not contradict anything of the Old Covenant (obsolete- Hebr.8:13)howbeit we need to realize that much in the Old Covenant has been fulfilled at least in type in the New Covenant. Mt.5:17

For instance, Christ became the rest for believers instead of a day of the week. Hebrews 4 elaborates on that issue.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


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Lee1538:

Who makes that determination as to what contradicts the OT Covenant that should be thrown out?

Christ makes determination, what the Renewed/New Covenant is, what gets thrown out.
This is why its important to learn, memorize Christ words in NT (ASV).

Answer, simple but it has incredible depth.

In part, question is:

Who/what are the symbols of New/Renewed covenant? Regarding the ESTABLISHED covenant of our Father? of Genesis 3:15!

For instance:
Leviticus priesthood, their sacrifices illustrating the works of Christ changed to renewed illustration bread and wine, of His blood shed and body broken up for us!

A change but speaks of the SAME SUBSTANCE of Christ, His work of love, for us!
---Paul9594 on 11/28/09


The NEW/Renewed Covenant must be translated interpreted so as to not contradict that which the (OT) Word, holds to be wise for salvation Scripture (2 timothy 3:16), The Law and The Prophets, His Word.

Remember our Savior Christ honors, and upholds The Law and The Prophets. In fact, even the least of the commandments is His Word that He tells us, they need not be broken and taught so.

AFTER His Resurrection, INTO the church age, Christ teaches His Disciples from His Word:

Luk 24:27 And BEGINNING from Moses and from all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Have the things Concerning Christ become outdated for us?
Then learn the Law and The Prophets!
---Paul9594 on 11/28/09


Paul9594 //BUT anything added/subtracted or that contradicts Old C. gets thrown out!

A serious question for you to answer!!!!

And who makes that determination as to what contradicts the OT Covenant that should be thrown out?

Should it be the Pope?

or those whom the Lord has called into the teaching ministry of the church and have given their entires lives to the study of the Word?

Or should it be those who believe themselves to be enlightened and of the seed of Abraham, namely your denomination?

AWAIT YOUR INSPIRED ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---Lee1538 on 11/26/09


Lee1538: Part1/3

//are we to ignore the New Testament which the church views as scripture esp. the fulfillment of OT laws & prophecy? Mt. 5:17 //

No we do not ignore NT/renewed COVENANT it does contain Spiritual keys not SEEN by generation of Pharisees who ruled with THEIR doctrineTHE MINDS Gods people. Christ delivered the elect from bad application.

Christ says Law about FAITH, MERCY, JUDGMENT. Matthew 23:23

Christ continues to pull elect from bad doctrine through the rest of the true body of Christ of Kingdom, until this day!

NT is fulfillment of the Old Cov. and its CONTINUITY with the New Covenant. NOT TESTAMENT

BUT anything added/subtracted or that contradicts Old C. gets thrown out!
---Paul9594 on 11/25/09


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Paul is correct in his assertion regarding 2 Tim.3:16.

Barnes Notes: All Scripture. This properly refers to the Old Testament, and should not be applied to any part of the New Testament, unless it can be shown that that part was then written, and was included under the general name of the Scriptures. Comp. #2Pe 3:15,16. But it includes the whole of the Old Testament, and is the solemn testimony of Paul that it was all inspired. If now it can be proved that Paul himself was an inspired man, this settles the question as to the inspiration of the Old Testament.

However, are we to ignore the New Testament which the church views as scripture esp. the fulfillment of OT laws & prophecy? Mt. 5:17.
---Lee1538 on 11/25/09


2 Timothy written by Paul 45 to 65 yrs INTO CHURCH AGE:

16 Every SCRIPTURE is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is in: RIGHTEOUSNESS:

The goal Righteousness:

Here Paul said that every scripture is God breathed for what?
FOR CORRECTION,DISCIPLINE

Since there was no NT when He wrote this teachings.

What is good for CORRECTION, TEACHING?

The Old Testament.

But dont call it that. Did Paul, or any of the Apostles? No!

Not even Christ. Shouldnt we follow His/their example:

Call it Word, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, Torah, even Christ did, incorrectly it has been taught to you as Old Testament
---Paul9594 on 11/24/09


2 Timothy written by Paul 45 to 65 yrs INTO CHURCH AGE:

16 Every SCRIPTURE is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is in: RIGHTEOUSNESS:

The goal Righteousness:

Here Paul said that every scripture is God breathed for what?
FOR CORRECTION,DISCIPLINE

Since there was no NT when He wrote this teachings.

What is good for CORRECTION, TEACHING?

The Old Testament.

But dont call it that. Did Paul, or any of the Apostles? No!

Not even Christ. Shouldnt we follow His/their example:

Call it Word, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, Torah, even Christ did, incorrectly it has been taught to you as Old Testament
---Paul9594 on 11/24/09


//Sin is disobedience to God, ...

And we ALL still have problems with sin don't we?

Please note that 1 John 1:8 is addressed to believers and is in the PRESENT TENSE

1 John 1:8 If WE (including John himself)say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Even St. Paul admitted that he still struggles with sin.

Romans 7:19-20 For the good that I would I do not: but the EVIL WHICH I WOULD NOT, THAT I DO. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Now I realize that you can do a wiggle worm dance and misinterpret the above verses to say you no longer sin, but no reputable and Godly teacher of His word will agree with you.
---lee1538 on 11/24/09


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//OBEDIENCE to His Apostles, teachings, leadership of His true Church, IS the fruit of the Spirit, not following doctrines of apostates.

We can all agree pretty much with that as we all seek to follow Christ in accordance to the teachings that the Apostles and their successors gave to us. However, they taught that Christians are under the New Covenant and not the Old, that we as Gentiles need not become circumcised in the flesh, nor observe laws that were distinctly Jewish in nature.

Our salvation is a gift from God and is not something that we must earn or keep by obedience to OT laws as it is that indwelling Spirit (Romans 8:13-16) that continues to work within us both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Php. 2:13
---lee1538 on 11/24/09


Bobby1 Part. 2/3
Whats my denomination?

Im neither Jewish nor a Jewish convert, nor Christian, nor SDA. nor Catholic,


My denomination is of the seed of His covenant with His seed of every male spiritually circumcised of the flesh to walk in the Spirit, Genesis 17:7-10 (Circumcision pre-dating Isralites, Jews, before codified in Law)

My denomination is of the seed of Isaac of Genesis 21:12

My denomination is of obedience BECAUSE of the example given to me, we OUGHT TO OBEY HIS VOICE, Genesis 22:16-18

My denomination is of the seed of Jacob that should be as the dust of the earth to posses the land! Genesis 28:13-15


Sorry my denomination goes way back and continues today with others :)
---Paul9594 on 11/24/09


Lee1538, Miche3754:

2 Tim 3:15

15 that from a babe thou hast known the SACRED writings which can make thee WISE unto SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 Every SCRIPTURE is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is :in righteousness:

17 that the man of :God be COMPLETE, furnished completely unto every good work.

Paul, 45 to 65 yrs INTO CHURCH AGE, INSTRUCTS PASTOR to use for doctrine, discipline, correction in righteousness, UNTO SALVATION, the Law and The Prophets.

Since NO New Testament FOR 200 yrs!

DO we follow Pauls instruction to use Law and the Prophets? Or apostasy?
---Paul9594 on 11/24/09


Sin is disobedience to God, see what happened to Adam, Eve, Cain, Jonah, David countless others

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. We who died to sin, HOW SHALL WE ANY LONGER LIVE THEREIN?

3 Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in NEWNESS of life.
---Paul9594 on 11/24/09


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Miche3754, Lee 1538:

OBEDIENCE to His Apostles, teachings, leadership of His true Church, IS the fruit of the Spirit, not following doctrines of apostates.

Did you know history repeats itself? Eccl 1:9

Is apostasy new under the sun?

MANY will be surprised with, Matthew 7:21-23

They make their case, Judgment day:

Lord, we prophesied, did MIRACLES, CASTED OUT DEMONS, AND MIGHTY WORKS:
( woman pastor/ teaching, submissive husband, etc.)

WE did ALL these in YOUR name!

What does Father say after they present all their works done in His name?

I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work :LAWLESSNESS
(not apostate translation, above faithful to Greek numeric value of words )
---Paul9594 on 11/24/09


//Are you of the Seed of Christ, of other seeds?

As one that has been active in a Bible distribution society, I believe I am one of those seeds that fell on fertile ground as depicted in the parable of the sower. I have sought and seen many come to Christ and that much to my own amazement. And that is what we have been commanded to do, to bear fruit for our Lord.

The Lord tells us that we should know them by their fruits and what fruit have you borne except to tell people they need to follow Moses rather than the Spirit of Christ?
---Lee1538 on 11/24/09


Paul - If I agree with an opinion, it is the opinion of studied and Godly men of God, not of my own. As to doctrinal views, I fully believe in following those of the 'catholic church' (small 'c' on catholic) the Lord has established.

So you do not like commentaries, If it is specific scripture that you require,then read -

1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

It is those teachers that the Lord has given His church who have written many of the commentaries. You on the other hand seem to want to interpret scripture apart from its content to fit your own custom made religion.
---Lee1538 on 11/24/09


How is His headship manifested, with the air, the swine, or with men?- paul

Christ headship is manifested by HIM.
God leads, man/woman serve.
Men condemn women for answering God when he says "whom shall I send?"
You get mad because men aren't stepping up but the women are?
Women are accepting the call when men are too worried about if they are the ones to lead. If you don't like whats going on, then men need to step up, let God lead them and do what HE says not blame women. Point the finger where it should be pointed, At men for not obeying God.
When you submit to God you realize real quick you aren't the one in charge. ITS GOD AND ALWAYS GOD WHOS IN CHARGE.
---miche3754 on 11/24/09


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Paul,
Remember that obedience to God through the Spirit doesn't always agree with the things man believes God would do. And Paul in the Bible says that if we walk in the Spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
God takes the things that are weak and foolish to confound the wise, remember that.
God says to worship in Spirit and truth. HE says nothing about flesh at all except that our bodies are the HS temple.

Jesus said that we shall know a person is in HIM by the fruit of the HS showing in them. So, if they are showing this, I don't ? God.
As for using specific scripture, since you are a man of God if I give you a book and chapter, then you should know the verse.
---miche3754 on 11/24/09


Lee1538, Miche3754:

Your voice is of the opinion of men, your comments have no Scripture to back them.

Stop learning from commentaries.

When will you use specific Scripture, with focus on this topic? Is it that you can't find none?

Are you of the Seed of Christ, of other seeds?

Headship Christ, has set our example of men leading, how is it that OBEDIENCE to His example not of the fruit of the Spirit?

Is your DISOBEDIENCE TO WELL SET EXAMPLES BY Savior for the church age of the Spirit or of the flesh?
---Paul9594 on 11/23/09


Miche3754:
Is church age flesh or Spirit? Church age should have Spirit of obedience, not flesh rebellion.

How should we worship God or In Flesh or In spirit? Same

Wasnt the Spirit of Christ OBEDIENT, to Father?
Then follow His headship that sets, the teaching in church and the headship, to be of men.

Since when is OBEDIENCE toSET EXAMPLES by Him, not of the Spirit but of flesh?

Since the apostasy of these generations?

How is His headship manifested, with the air, the swine, or with men?

Found within ALL the specific verses of the epistles, written for active instruction 45 to 65 yrs into the church age, showing men as leaders.

Should we follow examples Christ left for the church age?
---Paul9594 on 11/23/09


Bobby1 Part 1/3:
Whats my denomination?
My denomination is of the ONLY the seed (not seeds), the seed of the woman that reproduces godly men, Genesis 3:15:
My the denomination is of the continuing seed of> SETH< of Gen 4:25, God appointed,
Im of the only seed of NOAH and the seed after him, whom He established His covenant with, Genesis 9:9, and saved from the flood.
Im of the seed of ABRAHAM, who builded an altar for He who appeared unto him, THE SEED OF A CHANGED NAME for the SAME SEED, Genesis 17:5.
Im neither Jewish nor a Jewish convert sorry now room, my denomination? is to be continued.
---Paul9594 on 11/23/09


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There are those in the church that are shaking in their boots in fear of not being able to compete with a woman. Fortunately a woman pastor is more under pressure to prove her calling far more than that of a man. As such, that aspect alone makes it much harder to compete.

The Southern Baptist leadership has rejected women as pastors, however, if the ultra conservatives in that organization will be voted out, there is hope that their spiritual lapse will end some day and the focus will get back to fulfilling the Great Commission.
---Lee1538 on 11/23/09


Paul,
The Headship of the church age is....
wait for it...
wait for it...
wait for it...


Christ is the Head of the Church.

Husband is head of wife AS Christ is the head of the Church.

Notice that Ephesians is a comparison, gentlemen unless of course you didn't take English. They are similar BUT not the same.
answer me this, Paul, is the Church flesh or is it of Spirit and how should we worship God, in flesh OR in Spirit?
By the way, I don't have a problem at all with a man leading as long as HEs lead by Christ. When he becomes apostasized, I believe God WILL fill the position with the BEST PERSON According to GOD, not their flesh which by the way isn't pleasing to God anyway.
---miche3754 on 11/23/09


Glenn, Paul - The 'Jezebel Spirit' is allegedly a feminist who hates men and seeks to destroy them. For any church to be successful, it takes talents found in both men & women and any successful pastor should realize that.

Christians however believe that Christ soon will return and the church should use all resources to seek the lost while there is time.

All this Jezebel crap simply reflect the age old battle between the sexes and will continue to the end of time.

Certainly the devil loves those who would bind the workers that would go into the field for the harvest by using the bias and hatred some men have for women.
---Lee1538 on 11/23/09


The most important thing is to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior. To have the 'Jezebel Spirit' is to manipulate people due to selfishness and pride. Recognize that it's wrong to do so, repent (stop doing it), and make amends as necessary. Selflessness and humility are antithetic to this Spirit. 1Corinthians 10:13-14, 11:31-32, Galatians 5:13-6:10, Ephesians 6:10-18, James 1:5-8, 4:6-10, 1Peter 5:5-11, 1John 1:5-10.
Lee1538: 'Should Women Teach In Church' is still open. Please read the above, Romans 6:1-2.
---Glenn on 11/22/09


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Miche3754, did not answer this question, regarding Headship in the CHURCH AGE:

In Corinthians 14:33-37,
Did women subject themselves to the Headship of Men in the Churches of SAINTS, AFTER resurrection of Christ and into the Church Age?
Yes!

Who is still in rebellion against this clear SET example 45 to 65 yrs into the Church age of SAINTS?
Would you reason WITH Scripture, even as Paul the Apostle did?

OR WOULD you reason with the precept of men, or of the apostates?
---Paul9594 on 11/22/09


Lee1538 writes:
//Scripture tells us that we will recognize them by their fruits.//
//Do women pastors produce fruits that are different from male pastors?

DO YOU HAVE SIGNS OF GOOD visible fruits, BUT NO real OBEBIENCE TO His Teachings?
Then hear AFTER you present your case (woman pastoring etc) to Him of FRUT/SIGNS:

.I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

In Matthew 7:21-23, where does it say, bad surprise is ONLY for Jews!

How is it that OBEDIENCE is not the fruit of the Spirit? BUT DISOBEDIENCE TO WELL SET EXAMPLES BY FATHER?

Have you fallen from grace into the pit of apostasy?

Pro 30:6 ADD THOU NOT unto HIS words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR.
---Paul9594 on 11/22/09


Scripture tells us that we will recognize them by their fruits.

Do women pastors produce fruits that are different from male pastors? Do they not receive much the same training and operate under the same position descriptions?

If a workman (or workwoman) brings in a harvest for the Lord, why should we bother them with things that are disputable?

And nowhere is the Scripture plain that a woman cannot be called of God to preach the Gospel.

It is tradition propagated by those that are sexists that seems to stand in the way of the spread of the Gospel of Christ. That spirit within them is aroused when they see one come to faith because of the Spirit working thru a woman pastor.
---Lee1538 on 11/22/09


Commandment 7 No adultery: kept by Godly BEFORE Mount Sinai! (Lev 18:20,27).
Lee1538, SEE of commandments before Mount Sinai
Genesis 20, King of Gerar sent, took Abrahams wife, Father said return her or you and nation I will destroy! King feared God and His men were sore afraid!
"His master's wife cast longing eyes on Joseph, she said, 'Lie with me.' But he refused...'How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin?'" (Gen 39:7-9). "
The eye of the adulterer waits for the twilight, saying, 'No one will see me', and he disguises his face" (Job 24:15).
Is your faith powerless connected to powers of true Christ? Do you follow a lawless Christ? Thinking Heaven, you will get to Hear Matthew 7:21-23!
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


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Im reaching only the Children of our Father scattered by precepts of apostates. He is calling you into His ONE FOLD, ISRAEL.
John 10:16

He doesnt call you into JEWS, CHRISTIANS, messianic, Catholic FOLDS, come out of them, hear His voice, of the apostles!

Children, with the EXCEPTIONS of the Gospels,

SOME points readily seen, need to BE emphasized ABOUT ALL the epistles written in NT:

Epistles ACTIVELY taught:
1) 30 yrs to 65 yrs INTO the CHURCH AGE! Even apostates agreed with this fact.
2) AFTER the resurrection of Christ,
3) by men baptized by the Holy Spirit,
4) by men who were the Headship of the Church with power and authority given by the Father!

Follow Apostles instructions, not apostasy!
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09


Cluny you said:

** Since demons are fallen angels, and angels have no gender according to Jesus, though we use masculine pronouns for convenience,demons are not male or female either.**

Great answer you're are certainly INTO the truth!!
---Paul9594 on 11/15/09


Karen D -- If I didn't know what I believe that's a possibility! I said "forget Jazabel". The other Donna said "Jezebel is alive and well". If anybody looks at who writes what, they could be confused.

Actually, if I look back far enough, I can read a post and say "yeah, that what I think too". Then I look and see... that I wrote that post myself!
---Donna66 on 11/13/09


donna66....Maybe that was your post and your forgot you wrote it! LOL
---KarenD on 11/12/09


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Donna --
Obviously there are two Donna's here. It could be perpleximg if we both were assumed to be the same person. I am Donna66 (And have been for a long time). But sometimes I FORGET the 66. (I'm at an age when I forget frequently). Could you add some little something to your name
that would help avoid confusion. Thanks.
---Donna66 on 11/12/09


Dear Cluny:
||No chance Revelation is talking about actual idolatry and immorality, is it?

Not within this context, His focus, a church body that actively SUFFERS from the Jezebel spirit, yet has other good qualities love, ministry, patience. With other good qualities present, no woman would openly teach and seduce from a place of authority to fornicate sexually physically.

The meaning is spiritually discerned, according to Torah, the church lacking THIS understanding of Torah now suffers and will suffer their Judgment, death unless they repent.
This Spirit is strong within the church, with other reasons double is Her Judgment!Rev18
YesMEN should repent TOO, this isWHY I capped AND THEM that commit adultery with her!
---Paul9594 on 11/12/09


Paul, WRITTINGS actively teaching 45 to 65 yrs. INTO the CHURCH age, so called.

1Cor.14:33) As in ALL the churches of the SAINTS, {34} let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also SAITH the law.

iS THERE ANYTHING new under the sun?

Isa.3:12) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that LEAD thee cause thee to ERR, and DESTROY the way of thy paths.



This is to keep the battle of the sexes from within the leadership of the church, for sake of peace, respect and order, among other reasons.

This does not mean women are inferior, or less valuable than men as human beings.
---Paul9594 on 11/12/09


Jezebel is dead, but there are evil spirits or demons in the world. If you have one of them you can cast it out by praying and fasting.
---Eloy on 11/11/09


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It just occurred to me that I am actually old enough to remember when my mother wore, white gloves, a hat and stockings to church.
---KarenD on 11/11/09


\\Gods judgment will repeat now. Women need to repent while there is time.

(Rev.2:20) thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess, and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication (To receive the seed or word of the world in this manner is fornication for a Christian.), andto eat things sacrificed to idols. (Spiritually it is idolatry to obey ANapostate religious system rather than the Word on this matter).\\

No chance that Revelation is talking about actual idolatry and immorality, is it?

And do you mean to imply that MEN do not need to repent, too?
---Cluny on 11/10/09


Is there anything new under the sun?
Gods judgment will repeat now. Women need to repent while there is time.

(Rev.2:20) thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess, and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication (To receive the seed or word of the world in this manner is fornication for a Christian.), andto eat things sacrificed to idols. (Spiritually it is idolatry to obey ANapostate religious system rather than the Word on this matter).
{21} And I gave her time that she should repent, and she willeth not to repent of her fornication. {22} Behold, I cast her into a bed, AND THEM that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, And I will kill her children with death,
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09


\\That spirit is not a female spirit, it is a male demon.\\

Since demons are fallen angels, and angels have no gender according to Jesus, though we use masculine pronouns for convenience,demons are not male or female either.

Or are you saying you believe in the superstition of incubi and succubi?
---Cluny on 11/10/09


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catherine...Please quote scripture for your assumption that women today need to put on hats, gloves and stockings to get more respect. How many women in the Bible wore those things? NONE!!!!! The women in our church wear NONE of those things and get high respect from the church members. Aren't you the same catherine who said that God told you to leave church and stay at home and do nothing more than that?
---KarenD on 11/10/09


Kimberly....A dead person's spirit cannot get into a live person's body. However, if you are referring to a spirit that is similar to that of Jezebel such as a demonic oppression, you can get rid of that spirit by giving your life to Jesus. Jesus offers full salvation, but you have to give up those things which you know YOU are doing that are not right. Perhaps you are actually referring to rebellion on your part which the Bible says is witchcraft. You make the decision what you do. No spirit can control you if you are a Christian.
---KarenD on 11/10/09


Well, I believe women should be ladies. Lets go back a long time ago and put on hats, and white gloves, stockings. Mabe then women will get more respect.
---catherine on 11/10/09


The spirit of Jezebel oporates through the FLESH. The best way to get rid of it, is to DIE to yourself (wants, desires) and your flesh. Without DEATH there can be NO LIFE.
---Leslie on 11/10/09


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Jezebel is alive and well. That spirit is not a female spirit, it is a male demon. You MUST have the Gift of discerning of spirits to discern when this demon is operating.
A demon must either be bound up or casted out of someone. They only listen to the name of Jesus. So if I were you Kimberly, I'd say, "I bind you in Jesus name, you cannot operate in me in Jesus name." Find someone who moves in the deliverance ministry and ask them to cast the demon out of you. What are the characteristics of a Jezebel spirit that you think you have? It's a very controlling demon, intimidates people, likes to dominate men, and control situations and everyone is afraid of it.
---Donna on 11/10/09


And just what do you mean by "spirit of Jezebel," Kimberly?
---Cluny on 11/10/09


Kimberly, Mary is wrong, she is speaking from her carnal mind, not from the Spirit of God.
A person has to have the Gift of Discerning of spirits to discern if Jezebel is operating in a person or not.

Jesus tells us that when a spirit leaves a body, it roams around the earth on dry places, and comes back to the person it left to see if their house has been filled with the word. If not, that spirit will operate in that person seven times worse. When a person dies, if they have a Jezebel spirit, it leaves the dead body and roams about the earth seeking whom it may devour.
I'll try to post a second response and explain what to do.
---Donna on 11/10/09


Kimberly--Forget Jezebel. The Bible never talks about a "spirit of Jezebel".
However, you are wise to see yourself so objectively. Few people can do this.

Talk to the Lord frankly and openly about the specific personsl characteristics that bother you...He already knows, anyway. Ask forgiveness for sinful attitudes and recognize that you need God to help you. Ask Him to show you the way. It could be that some of what you consider "jezebel" is just normal feminine traits that you need to express in more GODLY ways, instead of carnal ways. You might seek out a mature Christian woman to pray for you and with you. Blessings!
---Donna on 11/9/09


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I'm sorry, I just think we give Jezebel way too much credit for causing damage in our lives today.
---Mary on 11/9/09


Mary is right. Whatever is operating within you is not the spirit of Jezebel. Without specific details it will be difficult to answer your question. I'll pray for you. You might want to talk to someone you are close to and can trust. Think about consulting your pastor. God Bless!
---Bob on 11/9/09


Mary, yes it is true that Jezebel is dead. But if we are honest there are people in the world today (both men and women) who have the same character which Jezebel had.
---Rob on 11/9/09


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