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//In the UK the viper is a snake. It's also known as an adder.

An adder is simply a particular type of viper.

A snake is a particular class of reptile but no necessarily a viper.

In any case, what is your point? I rather doubt that you can convince anyone that those who saw Paul being bitten by a viper did not know that the snake was poisonous.
---Lee1538 on 12/6/09


And I really do not believe the ancients were so ignorant that they didn't know the difference between a snake & a viper.
---Lee1538 on 12/4/09

Lee ... what is the difference?

In the UK the viper is a snake. It's also known as an adder.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/6/09


1st_cliff- My wife is simply a Christian, a lover of Jesus, in very bad health and I wait on her hand and foot!

Both my wife and yours have much to look forward to when they met the Lord face to face and are free from the burdens of this life.

Ro 12:12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.
---Lee1538 on 12/6/09


Lee1538, My wife is "Pentecostal", totally handicapped and I wait on her hand and foot!
Thank you for your concern!
---1st_cliff on 12/6/09


1st_cliff// So it's like you need a "faith meter"?..., he didn't quite have enough faith???

Thanks for believing the other 2 conditions are necessary for answered prayer.

There is yet another I should have listed that is not of faith either.

1 John 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.

we must keep His commandments (there are basically 2 listed in (3:23)if we expect our prayers to be answered.

Sorry you have problems in this area. Perhaps you need to start treating your wife rightfully? 1 Peter 3:7
---Lee1538 on 12/5/09




Lee 1538, So it's like you need a "faith meter"? (maybe it's in percentages?) maybe 80% is not quite enough,so if the person praying gets a 'NO' answer,maybe dies, well, he didn't quite have enough faith???
Jesus said all you need was faith the size of a mustard seed Mat.17.20.(what's that??? 1% ??)
If a person didn't have faith,or believe, he wouldn't pray in the first place!
I"ve been around a long time Lee, I believe if you live long enough ,you'll see everything! I don't have "blind" faith!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/09


1st_cliff-

Prayer is conditional upon faith.

Mt 21:22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.

Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

Prayer is conditional upon believing.

Mr 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Prayer is conditional upon the will of God.

1Jo 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.

Scripture must always be interpreted with scripture.
---Lee1538 on 12/5/09


it is amazing that professing christians, have so many ideas of what speaking in tongues is and isn't. it's the same with baptism. no wonder we have so many (unbiblical) denominations and most church buildings are empty. A young person would become brinwashed or disillusioned.
---michael_e on 12/4/09


Lee1538, I can't find the scripture that says prayer is "conditional."
John 14.13 "I WILL do WHATEVER you ask,in my name"
Doesn't sound like a yes,no,maybe to me!
I don't understand your statement **It is God's will,either way for one to be healed**
If it's God's will to be healed, there's no second way, is there?
---1st_cliff on 12/4/09


1st_cliff // James5.14.says nothing about "if it's God's will" (obviously not so)

All prayer is conditional according to the will of God.

it is God's will either way for one to be healed.

Do not forget, God may say "no" to our petition we make in prayer, howbeit, that also is an answer to our prayer.

And I really do not believe the ancients were so ignorant that they didn't know the difference between a snake & a viper.
---Lee1538 on 12/4/09




1st_cliff -I am not trying to be difficult either but ALL of my Bible versions has 'viper' which by dictionary definition is a poisonous snake.

Ac 28:3 When Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks and put them on the fire, a viper came out because of the heat and fastened on his hand.

While I can agree that none of the Apostles lead a "charmed" life, even all of them dying a premature death, Scripture does records that many miracles were wrought by the Holy Spirit working thru them.

Believe what you wish.
---Lee1538 on 12/3/09


Rodney i share the gift and thats exactly what it is a gift, i asked God for the gift and i am walking with God, if this gift belonged to Satan then in Jesus own words his kingdom is divided against itself as i have witnesses who could verify spiritual deliverance as i layed hands and spoke in tounges over them,i have no doubts whatsoever.ignore1st cliff outright.
---beany on 12/4/09


For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:1Corinthians 14:2
Paul says speaking in tongues is praying blessing and giving thanks with the Spirit 1 corinthians 14:14-17 And Paul used speaking in tongues a lot (in private not in a meeting)
But not everyone believes in the bible some will just hear it as thunder or babble because their ears and heart are closed

John12,28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
---Rodney on 12/4/09


Lee1538, I'm not trying to be difficult, but James5.14.says nothing about "if it's God's will" (obviously not so)
To superstitious people all snakes are "vipers" the fact that he wasn't affected is reason to believe it was not poisonous! Did he (Paul) lead a charmed life??? nor did any of the real Apostles.
11 of the 12 Apostles were murdered, only John had a "natural" death!
I try to keep things "in perspective"
---1st_cliff on 12/3/09


//Not all snakes are poisonous,some (like the Kingsnake) simply bite like a dog,the onlookers thought it was retribution (superstition) Act.28.3

The scripture views the snake as a 'viper'. I am sure that the onlookers were familiar with both poisonous & non-poisonous snakes.

The laying on of hands is usually done in ordinations of elder & deacons (1 Tim. 4:14), however scripture does tell us in James to lay hands on the sick and if it is God's will, the sick will be healed.James 5:14
---Lee1538 on 12/3/09


Rodney, Wise up, the devil is having fun making weird sounds come out of your mouth,and making you believe it's Holy Spirit!(with an intelligent language)
It accomplishes absolutely nothing except the feeling of something from the paranormal world!
Check this out= next time this happens, write down the words your speaking in that language and get back to me, OK?
I speak a few languages myself! (real ones)
---1st_cliff on 12/3/09


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Speaking in Tongues cannot be learnt like other languages because our mind is unfruitful 1Corinthians 14,14 That is the mind or brain is not involved in speaking in tongues It comes directly from God to those who seek the same Holy spirit that the disciples got (there is no other)

Refering to speaking in tongues as babble sounds disrespectful and derogatory Are those who refer to tongues as babble as disrespectful of God's other gifts?

Recieving the Holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is not difficult it's simple and easy It took me about 2 minutes of the first time I had prayed in my life My wife and four children have all recieved the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues and it wasn't a problem Luke 11:5-13
---Rodney on 12/3/09


Everyone can learn a new language. Since tounges is another word for languages this is true.

GOD can protect those HE decides to do so. Tempting GOD by drinking poison or handling poisonous snakes is not what the Bible is talking about.
---Samuel on 12/2/09


Lee1538,Not all snakes are poisonous,some (like the Kingsnake) simply bite like a dog,the onlookers thought it was retribution (superstition) Act.28.3
Divine intervention????
As far as glossolalia is concerned most primitive (pagan) religions had/have some form of "tongues"
I've seen "laying on of hands" one in particular a group of very devout Baptists, only to see the woman die!
We had an E-coli out break in one town where many were sick and a few died.
The fact that Mark 16.8-20 is so inconsistent,makes for doubt "big time"
---1st_cliff on 12/2/09


1st_cliff **...but the fact remains that Mark 16 ends at vs. 8 in all earlier manuscripts before the 4th century proving that 9-20 was added or spurious!

But is it not true that was has been written in Mark 16:9-20 can be supported by other scripture? For instance, Paul was bitten by a snake and was not harmed. Acts 28:3. And people do speak in tongues, lay hands on the sick, etc.

But do not know any poison drinkers.
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09


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1 Corinthians 12

Obviously this has been an issue in the past. Paul clears it up nicely.
---JackB on 12/1/09


Rodney, I suppose one can put his own "spin" on any scripture (no offence) but the fact remains that Mark 16 ends at vs. 8 in all earlier manuscripts before the 4th century proving that 9-20 was added or spurious!
All in the Jimmy Jones group took poison kool aid and died, snake handlers have been bitten and killed, No, it doesn't belong!
---1st_cliff on 12/1/09


Hi 1st cliff I understand your concern about handling rattlers etc. This would be tempting the Lord Matt4:6-7 but this is not what it means. Jesus and John the Baptist refered to the Pharisees as Serpents Matt3,7 & 12:34 and poison is what comes out of the mouths of wicked people Ps58:3-4 Rom3:13 and James3,8 Jesus dealt with the religous people who opposed him and the lies they spoke and and was not harmed (He lay down His own life) and Christians are called to do the same.
There is a very good explanation called "Why Mark16:9-20 belongs in the Bible" which you can google I hope this helps.
---Rodney on 12/1/09


Rodney, FYI Check any updated version of the BIBLE and you will see that MarK 16 from 9 on is spurious and not part of scripture! (handling rattlers and drinking poison,NO NO NO ) check it out!
---1st_cliff on 11/30/09


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---beany on 11/30/09 You are right we are clay in Gods hands but we should come to a place where we are a finished product. To grow up in Christ. 1Jo 2:13-14 Read this, It was Paul praising some for becoming overcoming Christians.
---1st_cliff on 11/29/09 You did not read what I wrote! I did not say that tongues were a sign,I said they are not evidence that you have the Holy Spirit. But the bible does say that. 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: When a person that does not believe in tongues speaks in tongues then they believe because they are speaking. It proves nothing to people that are hearing.
---Exzucuh on 11/30/09


Hi Exzucuh and 1st cliff A couple of points. 1Corin13:10 says tongues prophesy and knowledge will be done away with when that which is perfect is come Most beleive this is refering to the return of the Lord Jesus who will bring in a new way and we will see God face to face and not like now. Jesus said tongues was one of the signs of a believer Mark 16,17 Paul didn't say tongues was a sign however he did say to pray in tongues and in the understanding (tongues being a language that the speaker does not understand) 1Corin 14,14-15 and that when we pray in tongues we give thanks well and bless with the Spirit 1Corin14:16-17 1Thess5,18 tells us to gives thanks always part of the way we can do this is by praying in tongues
---Rodney on 11/30/09


Exzucuh God is the potter we are his clay,every piece of clay is dirty,perhaps God in his mercy forgives them because they repent and makes use of them because they are willing vessels ultimately only God knows,many of Christs supernatural blessings were scorned and misinterpreted and he was perfect.
---beany on 11/30/09


Exzucuh, It appears that you really don't have a handle on scripture,seeing as you cite text that doesn't exist!!! IE
"Jesus and Paul said it was a visible sign"...Where did Jesus say that tongues were a sign?????
---1st_cliff on 11/29/09


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The evidence of the holy Spirit is what Jesus and Paul said it was It is a visible sign of a changed life, the mind of Christ. You can speak in tongues and be in sin as I have witness that in my own life and preachers in adultery speaking in tongues. This is lying signs and wonders. Jesus said a wicked generation seeks after a sign. I look for fruit of the spirit, a person living by the word, a heart for God and a hatred for sin as evidence of the Holy Spirit. This never fails because it is Charity, the love of God working in a persons life. Tongues and prophecy will fail if you look to them as a sign of the Holy Spirit. But by the Spirit they will not fail to give us communication from God.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09


Hi Beamy When you recieve the Holy Spirit you are under the anointing all the time wouldn't you think? Yuo may not always have a special feeling but Jesus said He will never leave or forsake you Hebrews13:5 and that the Holy Spirit makes you a Temple of God 1Corin 6:19, 2 Corin 6:16 Now what if tongues is the sign (or signature) from God that a person has the Holy Spirit, wouldn't it be worth continuing the debate You wouldn't accept a contract or a cheque without a signature! The Bible makes it clear that without the Holy Spirit there is no salvation.(John3:5 Titus3:5 Romans 8,9) Jesus provided evidence to prove His point My faith came with evidence thats the faith we all should have Jude3 Hebrews11,6
---Rodney on 11/29/09


You know i wonder if this debate is worth the effort, it and so may other blogs seem to provoke in fighting and contention there's a verse on it as well,we all know God is supreme he will continue to bring his kingdom about regardless of tongues.Lets be honest we could debate anything and have differing views,perhaps it would be more peaceable to accept God is amazing and his ways a far above ours.I live on a farm can donkeys talk English? i bet they can.Lets focus on the lost souls not what we have or haven't got, but on what we need more believers!!
---beany on 11/27/09


---beany on 11/26/09 Thats because the Anointing is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is casting out the devils not the tongues, You just speak in tongues because you are under the anointing and think it has something to do with it. The same mistake many people make. God works through people of faith
but it is still God doing it not the people. I have seen people hold up crosses thinking they
can cast out devils or stand on their bibles saying they are standing on the word, take up snakes to prove their faith. John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing:
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


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1 Corinthians 1:25-30 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty, And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


I speak in tongues but only when i am under the anointing of the holy spirit,funny thing is that it always seems to upset demonic spirits and they come out and set people free,its a great gift with astounding power. i can babble away un anointed and nothing happens(human nature and all).but under the spirit "look out".
---beany on 11/26/09


Everyone at pentecost spoke in tongues (about 120 people) All the Ephesians spoke in tongues Acts19,2-6 All the corinthians spoke in tongues
so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1Corinthians 1,7 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. 1Corinthians 14:26 And everyone in the denomination I belong to can speak in tongues as well as all the other gifts and fruit of the Spirit
The Spirit did not come partially or with limitation (John 3:34) but comes with every spiritual blessing (Ephesians1,3) and all things pertaining to life and Godliness 2Peter1,3
---Rodney on 11/27/09


Atheist, I asked the turtle however he dunno nuthin.
---Warwick on 11/25/09


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Warwick,

I had that problem about three years ago. Some customer service guy in Bangledesh walked me through a psychic channelling software patch using a Volcanic mind melt with my pet turtle.

A friend of mine had the same problem recently and I gave him the phone number. All he gets now is a message that says, "Sorry we are out in a parallel dimenson, please call back yesterday so we can help you."

So I don't think I can help. Do you have a pet turtle, maybe he would know?
---atheist on 11/24/09


Warwick ... "my Andromedan decoder ring (Mk. 3) has lost its deflagilistic penta vibon mode."

Was that recently? Maybe that was when they switched on the Large Hadron Collider?

ASnd remember where that is situated? Under one of Europe's major milk producing areas. Cheese deliveries to the Moon by the Cow will be severely disrupted.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/24/09


Most people have a physical tongue to speak the language that they were taught, but not all people ask for the gift of heavenly tongues, and therefore they do not speak in the tongues from heaven.
---Eloy on 11/24/09


Atheist I knew I had met you. You must have been the abductee the Zorgs brought in just after they abducted me. Quite a ride!

I have a technical problem: my Andromedan decoder ring (Mk. 3) has lost its deflagilistic penta vibon mode. Do you know where I can get it serviced?
---Warwick on 11/23/09


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Alan,

Sorry, my doctor says I eat too much Blue Cheese, which blocks arterial blood flow to the brain causing me to sometimes communicate poorly.

To view all offerings on Rosetta Stone you must have a Universal All Dimension Paradise 666 Monitor, use GalacticIntertubes for your ISP, and have an Andromedan decoder ring, which I got during my first abduction to the home planet.
---atheist on 11/23/09


I've looke at their web-site and thay only offer known languages
---alan8566of_uk on 11/23/09


Atheist--From my experience with Rosetta Stone, there is no way they could possibly teach "tongues" by their method. I think you must be mistaken or misled.
---Donna66 on 11/22/09


The language software program, Rosetta Stone, now offers "Tongues" as an option, along with thirty other languages.

The program teaches one very quickly to speak a foreigh language, but the inherent problem is that "Tongues" has no coherent, rational, or meaningful translation into any other language. While this is an apparent disadvantage, the benefit is that no one, not even yourself will know what you are saying or if you are saying it wrong. Thus you will never make any grammar errors, mispronounce any word, or embarassingly misuse a figure of speech.

BTW, Tongues is the preferred second language of people who are unable to use their first language.
---atheist on 11/21/09


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Glossolalia, Babbling in gibberish goes back to 1100BCE and was practiced by most pagan religions.
Today it's practiced in China,Japan,Korea,Malaysia,Indonesia,Siberia Arabia Burma and the Arctic (just to name a few!)
Pentecost was a "one time thing" where people "heard" the speech in their own tongue.
Today the "interpreter" is free to say whatever comes to mind since no one knows what's being said anyway!
Want proof??
Get the speaker to "write down" what he's saying in "that" language .It aint gonna happen!
---1st_cliff on 11/21/09


Speaking in tongues is not the evidence of the Holy Spirit but the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Power is the evidence of the Holy Spirit.
You receive power by grace, To be a new creature and to overcome sin, by power are you translated out of the kingdom of darkness into light, and receive the divine nature and the mind of Christ.
---exzucuh on 11/16/09


//But, since the Holy Spirit takes our prayers to the Father, we don't even need a prayer language.

Very true as many of us can witness to the fact that the Holy Spirit guides us in our prayers, even in English.

Again, I feel sorry for those that have been duped into believing everyone must or can speak in tongues. But I am very happy that I do not belong to any Pentecostal church that preaches tongue speaking.
---Lee1538 on 11/15/09


And I am here to bear witness sandra that you speak the truth.
---exzucuh on 11/15/09


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Speaking in tongues is a gift of God. It is not for everyone just as preaching is not for everyone. It is given for the church. And it is different from what people call their "prayer language". But, since the Holy Spirit takes our prayers to the Father, we don't even need a prayer language. We do not need to speak in tongues unless God has a person do that.

This is thought to be necessary before the filling of the Holy Spirit. I am here to tell you that this is simply not true.
---Sandra on 11/15/09


//I stand by my "legalistic witchcraft" statement. It is what it is! :)

I would reckon that what really counts is that those who have experienced this phenomenon, have found positive changes in their lives.

Such an experience should drive one deeper into the Word of God as well as having love toward those who are in need.

A simple emotional experience or catharsis seldom has such weight on ones personal spiritual life and that is why I for one would not totally discount it.

I do agree that most who claim to speak in tongues, simply have deluded themselves by believing such a gift is for everyone. And that is the problem with those who are tongue preachers.
---Lee1538 on 11/14/09


Lee: I appreciate your honesty. Though extreme, I stand by my "legalistic witchcraft" statement. It is what it is! :)

Yes, "The WORD OF GOD...has POWER to change lives." (Acts 1:8 & Ro. 1:16) -- not some conjured up (SELF-willed, SELF-edifying), babbling work of the flesh.

The disciples received POWER (revelation knowledge -- Jn. 14:26) after God, the Holy Ghost came upon them (Acts 2:1-4). The POWER enabled them to clearly speak the gospel of Jesus Christ to hearers in their own languages.

I believe the gift of tongues was/is just a vehicle (delivery system) to impart/"give" & EMPOWER hearers with the "good news" (gospel).
---Leon on 11/14/09


Others beside the 12 disciples spoke in tongues, including gentiles.

Act 10:45-46 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

Act 19:1-2 And it came to pass, that,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.....
Acts 19: 5-6 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them, and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
---Donna66 on 11/13/09


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Mima: Was it only the 12 apostles speaking in tongues (languages)? They weren't the only ones filled with the Holy Spirit in the Upper Room.

Remember, Peter spoke about the prophecy of Joel being fulfilled wherein, "your sons & daughters will prophecy...", so, I believe men & women disciples were prophetically speaking in tongues & those hearing them actually heard their own language as the Holy Ghost filled disciples (men & women) walked amongst them.

The ones who accused them of being drunk were mockers (jokers) who obviously weren't interested though they fully understood what was being said.

How do you get "20" when Acts 2 says about 3,000 souls received Peter's words? :)
---Leon on 11/13/09


Just maybe if you would learn to study the Bible dispensationaly how and why tongues was used would seem simple. If you speak in an "unknown" tongue today (which you and I know you don't) how do you know you are not cursing rather than praising??
---Michael on 11/13/09


When speaking of the "gift of tongues" I'm referring to the non-language ecstatic babble commonly practiced in Pentecostal oriented churches?

My Wife has an interesting question about what happened on the day of Pentecostal. It was the 12 apostles who were speaking yet the listeners numbered at least 20 and each of these 20 heard the message in their own language. Were some of the apostles speaking two languages at once? If the apostles spoke at the same time seemingly it would be impossible for the individual listeners to hear in their own language the message given? Also if the apostles were speaking in a language known to listeners why did the listeners accuse them of being drunk?

These questions difficult to answer.
---mima on 11/13/09


Paul says that "not all speak in tongues" but there is a manifestation of the Spirit in every believer. Prophecy is the highest manifestation as it is the mind of Christ. I believe that the power of the Spirit to change the hearts of unbelievers to believers can come through any witness who is obediently speaking the gospel to someone. The individuals particular gifting doesn't matter. It is the heart that matters. I have seen people led to Christ through people with the gift of helps, discernment of spirits, teaching and other gifts. Effectiveness? Well, if only one person comes to Christ through a believer with any gift, then that person and his/her gift has been effective.
---jody on 11/13/09


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"...the most effective witnesses are those who have the gift of tongues." Mima, 11/13

Thanks for the Scripturally accurate response regarding "receiving power". (Acts 1:8)

When you say, "the gift of tongues", are you referring to the sudden God-given ability one gets to speak in a language previously unknown to them (like on the day of Pentecost) or do you mean the non-language ecstatic babble commonly practiced in Pentecostal oriented churches?

Also, would the "witness effectiveness" you mentioned likely be seen more often in instances of missionary evangelism in foreign lands and/or in local communities where foreign languages are culturally dominate?

Thanks. :)
---Leon on 11/13/09


//Lee: What you've witnessed in Pentecostal churches is legalistic witchcraft (works of the flesh). (Gal. 3:1-3)

While I would not go that far, it has been my observation that tongues is really overemphasized in Pentecostal churches. But I do believe very few really possess this gift.

If you say that tongues is necessary, then what of all the great evangelists, missionaries, theologians, etc. that we have had over the centuries that truly promoted the gospel?

The Word of God itself has power to change lives, we can see that in the distribution of the Bible.

---Lee1538 on 11/13/09


What is the power of their witness?
I referr specifically to the last statement Jesus made to the disciples.

Acts 1:8,
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

While all can be witnesses, the most effective witnesses are those who have the gift of tongues. I say this from personal experience and from longtime observation.
---mima on 11/13/09


"The fact that a person does not speak in tongues has no bearing on their salvation but it has everything to do with the power of their witness." Mima, 11/11

Specifically, what do you mean?

KarenD: You're right, speaking of the Bible ligitimate tongues (known languages of the day) as in the day of Pentecost. Some wrongly practice ecstatic nonsensical (non-language) babble as a ligitimate tongue from God. A distinction between true & false must be highlighted in the Church.

Lee: What you've witnessed in Pentecostal churches is legalistic witchcraft (works of the flesh). (Gal. 3:1-3)

Mark Eaton: Exactly!!! Tongues isn't a gift for all. But, THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT IS EVIDENCE FOR ALL...
---Leon on 11/12/09


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//The evidence of the Holy Spirit is power,

The evidence of the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of its fruits.

Gal. 5:22f But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, against such things there is no law.

Eloy apparently has not been around long enough to ready know what constitutes tongue speaking as most simply babble.

What happens is that they compel the initiate to go down to the altar to pray for the gift of tongues and after he or she mumbles something unintelligible, they proclaim the person has been given the gift of tongues. That person goes home badly confused and upset. They essentially make fools out of many.
---Lee1538 on 11/12/09


The evidence of the Holy Spirit is power,

Ac 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that
the Holy Ghost is come upon you:

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Luke 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
---exzucuh on 11/11/09


Lee, again you post falsehood.
---Eloy on 11/12/09


Eloy -**All glossalalia (the heavenly language, or tongues of angels) comes straight from heaven, and there is no other source.

Wrong again!!! I have taken Greek, German & French. It is easy for anyone to mimic a language. Even small children occasionally do that.

While I recognize the legitimacy of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, my observation has convinced me that the gift is rather uncommon.

Most tongue speaking does not have any of the properties of a language, it is merely an expression of emotional catharsis or desire.

One of my Greek professor walked into an AOG meeting, spoke a Psalms in Greek and got an interpretation totally wrong. The entire meeting was thrown into bedlam.
---Lee1538 on 11/11/09


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Lee, you are not speaking the truth, for the poster is asking about languages and not empty peeps nor muttering noises of the mouth. No Real tongues are fake or mimicked, else the fake sounds would not be languages from God but pure vanity. All glossalalia (the heavenly language, or tongues of angels) comes straight from heaven, and there is no other source.
---Eloy on 11/11/09


This question has come up in conversations many times before. Now because the gift of tongues is given by the Holy Spirit to whoever he wills my answer would be NO not everyone can speak in tongues. But only those who are given the gift by the Holy Spirit. The fact that a person does not speak in tongues has no bearing on their salvation but it has everything to do with the power of their witness.
---mima on 11/11/09


I have seen this happen too many times in Pentecostal churches.

Such churches really are poor in their Biblical doctrines.
---Lee1538 on 11/10/09

Thank you Lee. I have fought my denom. on this point specifically.

I have also fought the doctrine that "Speaking in tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit" in my denom. and here on these blogs also.

How can speaking in tongues be evidence of the HS if it is a gift and not given to all? The fruits of the HS are the evidence that should be looked for, not tongues.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/11/09


//No, because glossalalia comes from heaven, from the Holy Spirit, and not from earth nor from man.

There are 2 other sources that speaking in tongues can come from.

The most common is that such is the product of the mind itself that is totally capable of mimicking words that are not intelligible.

And of course, the devil himself is capable of counterfeiting any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 11/11/09


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No, because glossalalia comes from heaven, from the Holy Spirit, and not from earth nor from man.
---Eloy on 11/11/09


Yeah 1 Corinthians pretty much clears this up quickly.

Take notice that most denominations that claim you arent 'born again' unless you speak in tongues usually dont even follow the Bible guidelines about speaking in tongues but the whole congregation will do it at the same time.

Theres supposed to be an interpretor for those speaking in tongues so you know it is of the Spirit.
---JackB on 11/10/09


No. Some people will tell you otherwise, but just read your Bible.
---amand6348 on 11/10/09


//Can everyone speak in tongues?

"To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues." 1 Cor. 12:7f

This would imply that not everyone is given the same gift, especially the gift of tongues.
---Lee1538 on 11/10/09


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It is indeed a travesty for those denominations that insist that one must speak in tongues.

What they do is to bring a person down to the altar and pray, pray, pray, and when that person babbles something unintelligible, they proclaim he or she has received the gift of tongues. As a result, that person goes home very confused and disoriented.

I have seen this happen too many times in Pentecostal churches.

Such churches really are poor in their Biblical doctrines.
---Lee1538 on 11/10/09


On the day of Pentecost, it does not say that only "some" received the baptism of the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. It says they all did. They were not babbling in unrecognizable languages. People actually understood the languages that day even though the people speaking them did not know that language.
---KarenD on 11/10/09


Yes, but only if you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Not everyone who has the Baptism of the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues, but if you desire it, ask the Lord for it.

Study the book of Acts and how they got tongues....and let the Lord illuminate the truth of tongues to you.
---Donna on 11/10/09


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