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Is God's Grace For All

Is God's grace provided for all man or is it just for those God created to be saved?

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"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of Grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Grace is the means of salvation in all ages.
---MarkV. on 11/30/09

This passage does not prove there was Salvation by Grace before Christ. Read in context to the subject, Paul is saying God has not done away with Israel, as many today teach. Paul is saying he, being a Jew, is a remnant of Israel saved by Grace.

Many Jews today are God's Elect.

Taking Romans 10 into account before reading these passages you will see, they had a ZEAL for God but not according to the Righteousness of God which is in Christ Jesus alone, called Grace.
---James on 12/1/09


Miche, great answer. One thing I have not account for is, why did they sin? After the fall everyone sins because it is their nature to sin. They are under the curse that came to Adam and Eve after the fall. But Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature before they sinned. So they had no reason at all as all of the one's who are born after the fall have in sinning. But they did sin. They chose to sin as you have said. They broke the Covenant God had with them. A covenant of obedience.
---MarkV. on 12/1/09
Thank You!
I have wondered though, if they didn't have a sin nature, then why did they sin?
Sin nature being the ability to sin.
---miche3754 on 12/1/09


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MarkV, and Miche,



Eternal life is the free gift of God's grace in Christ the Mediator, through the merit and virtue of his blood, and by the knowledge of him John 10:10,28, 17:3,Rom 6:23.

If eternal life could have been won by Adam's obedience, then eternal life would have been gained by works, not by the grace and gift of God.

Eternal life is nothing less or more than the consummation of salvation in everlasting glory with Christ,never promised to Adam/Eve, and the Scriptures everywhere declare,is the work and gift of God's free grace alone Rom. 6:23, Eph. 2:8-9.
Life and immortality are brought to light by the gospel of Christ, not by Adam, Abraham, or Moses 2 Tim. 1:9-10.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/09


Jesus told Peter get thee behind me Satan. Do you think he told Peter that because he was not saved? Peter was operating in his carnality rather than seeing things spiritual like Jesus. When Christians are carnal they cannot hear God.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
---exzucuh on 12/1/09


MarkV, you actually ADMIT your insults are because your feelings are hurt,acting out in your FLESH as Calvin did.

I believe it was YOU who attacked me first and you were rebuked by many here asking you to apologize..of which your pride would not allow.

When I say I don't believe you are saved MarkV it is not out of revenge, but love.

I just do not believe as you do. Nor do I follow the teachings of man. You do!

MarkV, I'm not the only one who has a problem with you here.

Joseph believes in dispensationalism, yet do you insult him...NO! Mima also, do you insult him? NO!

So you see MarkV, your personal insults to ME are not about doctrine but vengence!

I could go on...but don't need to!
---kathr4453 on 12/1/09




Kathr, let me say I have been hard on you. I admit that. It is because when you began your quest to insult me, Calvinism, Reform theology, you lack any knowledge of what you were talking about because you never studied reform. But your quest was so strong that you begin to oppose everything that I said calling it Calvinism when it was God who was speaking. And with that anger you beginned to change the meaning of the Word of God just to challenge me. Before you started this quest, I ageed with many of your views, but since then you have gone to far to the left. You still insult me, call me unsave, antichrist and so many things to hurt me, but let me say, I will not go there as you do. You cannot tempt me to sin.
---MarkV. on 12/1/09


Miche, great answer. One thing I have not account for is, why did they sin? After the fall everyone sins because it is their nature to sin. They are under the curse that came to Adam and Eve after the fall. But Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature before they sinned. So they had no reason at all as all of the one's who are born after the fall have in sinning. But they did sin. They chose to sin as you have said. They broke the Covenant God had with them. A covenant of obedience.
---MarkV. on 12/1/09


Trav, thank you for reminding us of God's Promise to the Nation Israel in the Future,at the Second coming and the Spirit of GRACE poured out on Israel Zech 12-14,Ezekiel 36 !
---kathr4453 on 12/1/09

Well you are welcome. Were getting in a little deep on dispensing grace, that you don't completely understand. Don't thank me. Thank GOD, acknowledge a prophet. Who would remind you that if you would acknowledge/follow/listen to scripture, instead of trying to lead/teach you might not get your hands slapped and your feet burned.

22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. Hmmm Heb8:8
---Trav on 12/1/09


Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone, we are cut off.' 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them, I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land.
---Trav on 11/30/09


Trav, thank you for reminding us of God's Promise to the Nation Israel in the Future,at the Second coming and the Spirit of GRACE poured out on Israel Zech 12-14,Ezekiel 36 !
---kathr4453 on 12/1/09


Adam and Eve did not have a CHOICE to live after the FLESH or live by the Spirit of the Life of Christ in them- kath

Yes, Adam and Eve did have a choice in the Garden. Their choice was either to Obey God and eat of the tree of Life and live with God OR disobey God and die by Eating of the tree of the Know. of Good and Evil. They chose the latter.
No, they weren't sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, but they sure did have the choice to remain with God OR fall from his grace.
Why do you think God stopped them from eating of the tree of Life AFTER disobedience?
They fell from God's grace because of what?
DISOBEDIENCE.
---miche3754 on 12/1/09




MarkV you are so far off the mark it's not even funny. I absolutely believe in the Trinity from OT to New.

THE WORD was in the OT who became flesh and was NAMED at that time the Son of God.

You deny that Jesus Christ is God who came in the flesh...making you anti-christ.

Everything you believe negates CALVARY. You believe there was no need for CALVARY other than to have YOUR sin atoned for.

However there is MORE to Calvary than having your sin atoned for.

YOU have not identified with Christ in death and resurrection life. Phil 3/ Gal 2:20 Paul explains MORE than just our atoned for sin.

YOU do not know God the Father, or the Son or the Holy Spirit!
---kathr4453 on 12/1/09


Kathr, as I said before you are so far off the mark that you are lost some place in time. I think you were lost since the time you proclaimed the Holy Trinity was not in times past either, but until Jesus was born.
Not knowing God is worse then knowing what Grace means. God is the same, yesterday, today and forever. The Holy Trinity does not change it's nature, character or attributes. He might change His actions towards man, but He Himself never changes.
Grace and the elect, or the Remnant,
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of Grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Grace is the means of salvation in all ages.
---MarkV. on 11/30/09


In the OT, people only FOUND Grace in God's Eyes.

OT folks under the Law were not under Grace:
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09

Hmmm, what about these preacher woman?

11 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone, we are cut off.' 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them, I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. ...
---Trav on 11/30/09


Exzucuh, Adam and Eve did not have a CHOICE to live after the FLESH or live by the Spirit of the Life of Christ in them. If you say they did, then WE TODAY can sin and lose our salvation.

If they were sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise THEN, then their sin would not have lead to DEATH!

We do not go back to what we were in Adam & Eve. Our History in Adam 1 ENDED AT CALVARY...we are now a NEW CREATURE, Created IN CHRIST...they were not.

Hebrews 10 state the Spirit of GRACE, the Blood of the Covenant, and the Son of God cannot be separated.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09


32nd Psalm. David knew of Gods grace.
---JackB on 11/30/09


God did not create man to be saved. He created man in his own image and likeness because it pleased him. Man is Lost because Adam did not appreciate God's Grace and Chose to eat the fruit of The Law from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil. Grace was by the Spirit and Gods word is Spirit and life but Adam chose the letter that killeth. Jesus came and took the punishment for Adam so man could have the Spirit of Grace back into his life. Now when we walk in the Spirit we do not fulfill the lust of the flesh, to eat again and return under the letter of condemnation and death.
---Exzucuh on 11/30/09


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Genesis 6:8
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.


In the OT, people only FOUND Grace in God's Eyes.

OT folks under the Law were not under Grace:

If they were, then we could still be under LAW and not fall from GRACE.
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09


Here is a perfect definition of GRACE.

2 Corinthians 8:9

9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

And then we have:
Hebrews 4:
COME Boldly to the Throne of GRACE.

No one in the OT could come BOLDLY into the Presence of GOD. Only the High Priest ONCE A YEAR For the People..however the people themselves could not come.


MarkV, Gracious and GRACE are not the same thing. Certainly God was gracious, but no one was saved just because God was Gracious. We're saved because of The Grace that came with Jesus Christ...who CAME full of Grace and truth.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09


Kathr, by your post you are still insisting there was no grace in the Old Testament. Which again I say you are completely wrong. ....---MarkV. on 11/30/09

I find grace/forgiveness/blessings from start to finish....both covenants.
Psalm 25:18
Look upon mine affliction and my pain, and forgive all my sins.
Psalm 86:5
For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive, and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject,

Or woman.
---Trav on 11/30/09


Kathr 2, continue, In the dispensation of conscience Noah found "grace" in the sight of God (Gen. 6:8). God Graciously intervened, saving Noah and his family. In the dispensation of civil goverment man rebelled by building the tower of Babel. God did not destroy the rebellious creation, but continued to work in the hearts of men like Abraham and Melchizedek by extending a "gracious promise" that He would bless the whole world through Abraham. In the dispensation of the Mosaic law, God continued to deal "graciously" with Israel despite the many and continued periods of declension and backsliding. In the dispensation of "Grace" He continues to deal graciously with humankind
---MarkV. on 11/30/09


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Kathr, by your post you are still insisting there was no grace in the Old Testament. Which again I say you are completely wrong. The statement in 1 Peter does not say they got no grace from God. God is by nature Gracious and was so, even under the conditional Old Covenant (Ex. 33:19, Jon 4:2), but the prophets foretold an even greater exhibit of grace than what they had ever known (Isa. 45:20-25, 52:14,15, 55: 1-7, 61:1-3, Romans 9:24-33, 10:11,13,20, 15:9-21).
In fact there is evidence of God's grace in every dispensation. When Adam and Eve sinned, God graciously intervened promised a Redeemer, and made immediate provisions for their acceptance before Him in their sinful condition.
---MarkV. on 11/30/09


1 Peter 1:10
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the GRACE that should come unto you:
To whom it was revealed,that not for themselves, but to us,they were ministering these things, which now have been announced to you by those who have preached the Gospel to you by the Holy Spirit, ---, into which things the angels are desiring to look.---be completely hoping in THE GRACE, which is being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ I Pet. 1:6-13
The GRACE of God has tremendous meaning to those who really understand it. Through Jesus Christ, Gods gift of GRACE is given so we, HIS BODY may spiritually GROW UP unto the fulness and stature of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/09


In a timely sense:
Mt5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The Lord's grace pours forth unto all the people of the earth. Even the unjust enjoy of his bountiful blessings.
---trey on 11/28/09


Mima, I have to disagree with you that Christ paid for the sins of the whole world. It is sufficient for the whole world but only those who believe through faith are counted as forgiven. The word "world" should be "mankind" in general.
propitiation, means "appeasement" or "Satifaction". The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross satisfied the demands of God's holiness for the punishment of sin (Romans 1:18, 2 Cor. 5:21, Eph. 2:3). "for the whole world" This is a generic term, referring not to every single individual. Most of the world will be eternally condemned to hell to pay for their own sins, so they could not have been paid for by Christ.
---MarkV. on 11/28/09


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"Only the Church today is saved by GRACE,Crucified with Christ and risen with Him. Gal 2:20-21. No one in the OT was saved by GRACE, or lived by Gal 2:20-21."

You are spreading more heretical views. You are suggesting no one was saved in the Old Testament. Not a one, since no one could be save by the law.
---MarkV. on 11/26/09


Again MarkV and Trey, NO ONE in the OT could say..I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, and NO ONE in the OT had the Spirit of the Life of Christ IN THEM..(His Risen LIFE in them)No one was baptized into HIS DEATH!!!

YOU are a heritic if you say they did!

Are you suggesting there was no need for CALVARY?

WE are saved by HIS RISEN LIFE!!! Jesus came full of GRACE and truth!
---kathr4453 on 11/28/09


Here's the answer to this question. 1st John 2 :2," And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world". So Christ paid for our sin and not only for our sins but the sins of the whole world.
---mima on 11/28/09


Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

the us are those whom God has saved. this is a letter is written to the church.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

God gives to "whomsoever he wills" grace and faith. They are gifts and the are "all" for those whom the working of Christ accomplished.
HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE from "all" their sins past present and future.

To answer your?
God is good to all
but those whom he loves, he sent Christ to redeem them all
---steven-rem7000 on 11/27/09


What man hasnt been saved by Grace?

Has anyone EVER deserved eternal life?

Moses murdered, Lot committed incest with both of his daughters, Abraham was a drunk, David was a murderer and adulterer...

I mean how many examples of sinful men do we need to see. Are all these men in hell right now? According to the New Testament we will see them in Heaven
---JackB on 11/27/09


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Many are called (Jews and Gentiles), few are chosen.

The "bidden" (the Jews) take lightly the invitation. Why?
Rom 9:32 .... Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone

The King (God) is angered by this and offers it to "as many as they found, both good and bad" (the Gentiles).

If a man shows up to this wedding without the robe made white with the blood of the Lamb, he will be speechless because He will not be perfect before God.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
---JackB on 11/27/09


Kathr, your lack of knowledge of Scripture and your stubburness keeps you away from the Truth. And No, I am not a Mormon. I am a child of God, who knows that all through Scripture, people have been saved by grace through faith. It did not start as you said,

"Only the Church today is saved by GRACE,Crucified with Christ and risen with Him. Gal 2:20-21. No one in the OT was saved by GRACE, or lived by Gal 2:20-21."

You are spreading more heretical views. You are suggesting no one was saved in the Old Testament. Not a one, since no one could be save by the law. God has displayed His grace all through Scripture. You say He didn't.
---MarkV. on 11/26/09


kathr,

Our God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, he does not change. (Mal 3:6, Heb 13:8).

God's people have always been saved the same way, by the precious blood of Christ.

Those who lived in the OT times, lived under the law, but were saved by grace. If they were not saved by grace then all that lived in that time period went to hell. Do you believe that Moses, Elija, Elisha, King David, etc. all went to hell?

The law was given to man to be our schoolmaster (nanny, teacher, etc.) to bring us unto Christ. (Gal 3:24). The law was to show us that our deeds are corrupt. We are sinners. We cannot do enough good works to win heaven. We need Christ!
---trey on 11/25/09


Jesus is the SON of God, he is NOT God, he is my brother,and i his spirtiual sister, daughter of God and Jesus is king of kings,andhis fathers kingdom will reign in the new earth. I am sorry,but I donot believe in the trinity that got conjured centuries after the apostles died, I read the bible and donot go past what it says and It clearly states Jesus is Gods son.
---candice on 11/27/07


MarkV, see what the eternal son doctrine causes? Those who think Jesus is a lesser God, or not God at all.


BUT teaching from TRUTH, that the LOGOS who is GOD, the WORD, BECAME flesh, and SON OF GOD is His TITLE, Son of Man is His TITLE, Son of David is His TITLE,and you UNDERSTAND what those TITLES MEAN,we wouldn't have this issue!
---kathr4453 on 11/25/09


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Kath is saying, that the Word of God lies. That the Son was not in eternity past. That we were not chosen in eternity past because the Son was not born yet. His incarnation happen later is time, but He was always Jesus Christ. MarkV. on 11/21/09


Are you saying the MAN Christ Jesus was always Jesus Christ? The only mediatior between God and man? Are you Mormon MarkV?

Yes, the CHURCH, the Bride of Christ, His BODY was in God's plan from before the foundation of the world HIDDEN-KEPT SECRET-A MYSTERY now revealed.

Only the Church today is saved by GRACE,Crucified with Christ and risen with Him. Gal 2:20-21. No one in the OT was saved by GRACE, or lived by Gal 2:20-21.

You negate CALVARY,the Mystery, the CHURCH.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/09


The Grace of God surrounds all of His creation, including all human beings.
---Janze on 11/23/09


Trav, I don't know what your point is, but if it has to do with God's grace, Israel received way more grace then other nations. The grace of God extends to everyone on earth. for He gives rain to the lost as well as the saved, and the sun shines on both.
He has been extending His saving grace until all of the elect come forward. Not a one will be left out. They all have to hear the Gospel and they all will believe by faith in the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross and they will all repent and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior to the glory of God.
---MarkV. on 11/23/09


...my Bible from cover to cover is full of the Grace of God to all humanity. His love and mercy extends to all humans. ---MarkV. on 11/21/09

MarkV. I only point. Cover to Cover? Mercies? Look again. Through Abraham, through Israel, the wife came any blessings to anyone else. If wife/Israel behaved properly all were blessed that blessed her. Some appear blessed for a period when Israel erred....to bring Israel punishment. Where are they mentioned again?

We've been taught that Israel doesn't exist, only Judah is left representing. Blinded and wrong. False(gospel=Truth,news)= false doctrines.
Huge error in truth. Those that care, will Berean. Those that see, will. Lets see who won't.
---Trav on 11/23/09


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Remember there is a lot we don't know. We are all created for a reason. But, most people, and God knew this way before the creation of the world, would love darkness more than the light. People loves their sins. Don't want to give up their sins. Satan, had never, ever, done anything for me. God has.
---catherine on 11/22/09


The ones chosen through Christ from the foundation are both Jew and Gentile. Its not just me and not you, ITS ALL PEOPLE who can have saving grace. HE truely died for all. This was fore ordained.
---duane on 11/21/09


Linda, you are perfectly correct in your answers. For who else receives mercy, but the sinner. I really don't have any idea what Bible Eloy is reading but my Bible from cover to cover is full of the Grace of God to all humanity. His love and mercy extends to all humans. Grace is not merited as he says, it is a free gift. Yet Saving grace comes to those who are chosen and called through Christ before the earth begin.
---MarkV. on 11/21/09


Jesus, who is the Son, and was from all eternity. "the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began"
Kath is saying, that the Word of God lies. That the Son was not in eternity past. That we were not chosen in eternity past because the Son was not born yet. His incarnation happen later is time, but He was always Jesus Christ.
There is no confusion in the word of God. And remember, it was according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
---MarkV. on 11/21/09


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BTW the local flood idea does not come from Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/18/09
Again,above we have mighty weight of your personal belief/legends in ur own mind.
Understandable. But,not necessary for you to see it. You make it possible for "sheep" to look and find on their own. Scripturally there over 1,600 times in word Erets. Strongs#776 OT. Word used for country or land. A limited area heavily witnessed. Cain was driven out of the "erets". For you the round world that wasn't known round until a few hundred(500yrs appx) ago. We have general area.
We know 40-50+ Arks needed to house ALL animals and FOOD for.
That many may know your spin is not biblical. But,a milk story for babies.
---Trav on 11/20/09


I have to agree with Eloy many are called but few are chosen, if you want to be chosen you have to get to a place that is required by God
by obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ. There are lots of lip service Christians who's hearts are far from Jesus, but they go through the motions, because like the pharisee and Sadducee they love to be recognized by man.
---exzucuh on 11/19/09


Sinners love to say half truths, which indeed is another gospel, like: God pities the lost, but they never say the other half, the lost are damned unless they repent. If you don't repent then you stay lost and rightly judged by God and not pitied by him. Those believing in the false gospel love to quote John 3:16 which is literally translated, "For God he so loved the harmony, so as the Son of him, the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal." And they never quote the other half which is the end in John 3:36, which is literally translated, "Whom obeying to the Son has everlasting life, but whom disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on that one."
---Eloy on 11/19/09


Michelle, sinners want their sin and Jesus too, but Jesus says unless you take up your own cross and follow after me you cannot be my disciple. He never says I love sinners and hate the righteous, for that is not the gospel. The gospel is that Christ came to save sinners from sin, not save sinners in sin, for you cannot live in sin and also live in Jesus too. "And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from sin."
---Eloy on 11/19/09


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He can't understand that the begotten Son was through the overshaddowing of the Holy Spirit with Mary, ---kathr4453 on 11/13/09

You understand flesh logic which is what you are using.
King David...seen him. Jeremiah. Isaiah. You would have to quit lip whipping and search some scriptue to hear or see it.
Psalm 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Isaiah 52:14
As many were astonied at thee, his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

If Christ can be seen after death....Christ appearance before birth is doc'd above. No biggie for GOD.
---Trav on 11/18/09


Matthew 21:31: "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."
"The last will be first", but only by doing the will of the Father.
There is no being justified in your sin.
There is no blood that washes except on acceptance and realization of the presence of Christ, thereafter is ineffective. Why else is He advocating for men, 1 John 2:1, if it is covered already?
Get it? Get going then, follow them publicans and the harlots in their NEW direction.
---Nana on 11/17/09


It is not called the mercy seat for nothing....and who needs more mercy than the poor wretched man who has no hope of eternal life without Christ? It was the religious "holier than thou" crowd that Jesus rebuked over and over and pronounced woes upon, not the sinners. He, who was and is the express image of God in bodily form, ate with sinners, healed them, ministered to them...and gained entry into their hearts by His love and compassion. You'll never rescue the perishing with a watered down, added to the law gospel that condemns the very ones Jesus came to save.
---Linda on 11/16/09


And don't forget that the verse right after John 3:16 is John 3:17. "He came not into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved." If God cannot get near a sinner because of his sin, then you cannot get near a sinner because of his sin because God is in you. Some of the gospel I have heard on this blog is the very thing Paul spoke of. He called it "another gospel which is not another" but simply a perversion of the true...and he rebuked Peter for his backsliding into Judaism when he started acting contrary to the true gospel of Christ.
---Linda on 11/16/09


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Yes Linda your post were absolutely clear and correct!!
---mima on 11/16/09


Linda, your last two posts were EXCELLENT!!!

AMEN!!
---kathr4453 on 11/16/09


The wrath of God was poured out on Jesus at Calvary. He became sin and the curse, reconciled man by that death, and placed salvation within the grasp of all through faith. It is the goodness of God (which is an aspect of His grace) that leads a man to repentance, not His wrath. The sending of the Holy Ghost by the Father is testimony to God's acceptance of the blood of the sacrifice. And the presence of the Holy Ghost in the earth among sinful man was affected by that blood. And it is the Holy Ghost that convicts sinful man of THE sin (not sins) of unbelief. The only thing that gets a man in is faith. The only thing that keeps a man out is unbelief.
---Linda on 11/16/09


If sinful man could have no "contact" with God Himself (through the agent of the Holy Ghost), he could never be saved because it is the Holy Ghost, who is of and one with the Father, who convicts. It is by grace through faith, not by faith through grace. God's part toward man came first, not the other way around. Don't you know that God is always first in everything?

Your doctrine is not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The gospel is "good news", not the sinner gloom and doom news you are putting out there. I would be scared to death of the God you speak of.
---Linda on 11/16/09


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Trav, That was said at time Jesus was here on earth.
1. He came unto His own and His Own received him not....
2.Cornelius is first recorded Gentile
3.He was never a lost sheep of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09

All his statements pre-death are void?? Prophets are just dead prophets? Right?

1.His own was "JUDAH" and to this day receives him not.
2. Cornelius. Of another Nation. Wording translated was: Allophulos. Compounded: Allos (another of the same kind) and phulos a kindred tribe.
Need more? He was devout. Feared GOD. Knew claims upon Israel. He used term "HO THEOS" to describe the one true GOD.
3.He was:Lost sheep of divorced nations/ Nth House of Israel.
---Trav on 11/16/09


God has chosen His children before the beginning of time so I would say that His grace is for them.
---jody on 11/15/09


Kathr ... "AND I'm gonna be a Granny in approx 2 weeks. OH YES!!!"

Is that your first time?

I have been a Grandad for 8 months now. She is just beginning to crawl.

Being a grandparent is so different from being a parent.

I am so sad my dear wife did not live to see her grandaughter ... it's one of those real God-given pleasures of this life
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/14/09


Linda, you do not know what grace is, if you wrongly think that God gives grace to the wicked, rather than his wrath. Grace is earned, and not unmerited as the liars of nonTruth preach. There is not one evil person that God blesses, not one. If you want God's grace, then there is only one way to receive it, and that is at the cross of Christ through your repentance. Yet there are many whom "think" that they are under God's grace, when in "reality" they are in sin and under his wrath, "and in that day I will say to them, Depart from me all you cursed into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Why? because I Never knew you, you workers of iniquity."
---Eloy on 11/14/09


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---kathr4453 on 11/13/09 your wonderful answer brings joy to my heart. Let us think Almighty God for his mercy and grace!!!!
---mima on 11/13/09

Oh Mima, isn't that verse wonderful. And another one is..HIS Mercy is NEW everyday.

Anyone can say...Be Merciful to me a sinner! ANYONE, and YES God will be merciful. THAT person has a repentant heart! That's the heart God is looking for!

Have a great Weekend!! It's going to be beautiful here.

AND I'm gonna be a Granny in approx 2 weeks. OH YES!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


How can someone think they can be in CHrist before they were even created in the flesh?
---michelle on 11/13/09

Absolutely Michelle. How can anyone believe they were in Christ before Christ came in the flesh? They can't. But they believe they were in the eternal son already before the foundation of the world. This is why MarkV is so adamant that the eternal son existed before the foundation of the world. Without that, he would be totally lost in his election theory.

He can't understand that the begotten Son was through the overshaddowing of the Holy Spirit with Mary, who died and rose again and it is in THAT SON ONLY that we are SAVED.

There are many Jesus's out there. But only Jesus Christ of scripture can save you.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


If it was for the obedient, it wouldn't be grace. It is by grace we are even saved, and there is no obedience to God before salvation because of the sin nature of man. In that shape, no man seeks after God, every one has turned to his own way.
---Linda on 11/13/09


---kathr4453 on 11/13/09 your wonderful answer brings joy to my heart. Let us think Almighty God for his mercy and grace!!!!
---mima on 11/13/09


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God's grace is for individuals whom are obedient.
---Eloy on 11/13/09


Micah 7:18
Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Yes God DELIGHTS in MERCY.

There is no Grace to anyone without God's MERCY....God can extend MERCY because Jesus paid for ALL sin.

So come boldly to the Throne of GRACE so you can help and FIND MERCY.


This is what Hebrews is all about!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The key is repentance, all that repent will not perish all that do not repent will perish.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Those that repent are seeking light and walking in that light gets our sins cleansed.
---exzucuh on 11/13/09


Thank you kath.

Now, why is it that some believe that some are born in to being chosen and that others or just destined for hell and get no hlp from God? that thay have a reprobate mind and can't be forgiven?
or even chosen?michelle***


Michelle it's because they have a perverted understanding of the Atonement. Even in the OT the Atonement was for ALL sin for All the People..Christ died and shed His Blood scripture says ONCE AND FOR ALL. In the OT the blood was sprinkled on the MERCY SEAT..showing us a picture of Christ in the NT, WHO IS the mercy SEAT.

ANYONE can come to God through Christ..the veil has been rent..signifying ANYONE ANYWHERE can come to God through Christ.More Later!!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


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Thank you kath.

Now, why is it that some believe that some are born in to being chosen and that others or just destined for hell and get no hlp from God? that thay have a reprobate mind and can't be forgiven?
or even chosen?
Where does it say in the Bible that man is chosen before the foundations of the Earth?
In my Bible it says "Chosen in HIM(Christ) before the foundation of the world"
"Predestined in HIM(Christ) to be saved".
How can someone think they can be in CHrist before they were even created in the flesh?
---michelle on 11/13/09


Grace is provided for all, yet only effective and/or operative for those who will receive and embrace it.
For "If through the offence of one 'many' be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto 'many'. Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon 'all' men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon 'all' men unto justification of life. But, as many as received him, 'to them' gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 'Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God'."
---Josef on 11/13/09


Michelle What do these verses say? There is no grace without MERCY! ALL!!!

ALL have sinned! ALL are called to repent.

Numbers 14:19
Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of this people according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now.

Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Micah 7:18
Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/09


Mima.
I'm reffering to, we are in the time of people being saved under grace since His death-burial & resurrection even the day of Pentecost when His Church was born. The strictness of God which is, keeping both feet in for God. You cant have 1 foot in for God & the other foot in for satan & his glitter-glamor pleasures of this world. You canNot serve 2 masters.
---Lawrence on 11/12/09


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God's grace is for all those that will accept it. He created mankind. He loves the saved, the unsaved alike. Hates the sin that people do.
---Sissy3396 on 11/12/09


---Lawrence you stated God is strict.

Is he strict enough to deny murders?
What about Moses and David?

Is he strict enough to deny a drunkard? What about Lot?

Is he strict enough to deny those who turn from believing?

What about second Timothy 2:13,"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."

Also what about John 6:37," All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

We need to recognize God's mercy and grace!!!!
---mima on 11/12/09


Yes Titus 2 v 11.
Jesus Christ knocking at your hearts door, to give you Grace to recieve His Salvation Plan with the Holy-Ghost, But, Not all will open the door to let Jesus in. Not all will recieve Jesus in because He Is Strict. To many want Jesus & the worldly pleasures, it will Not work that way.
---Lawrence on 11/12/09


Jesus calls to "all" > "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29) So, Jesus Himself has this hope for "all" to come to Him and live in His love's "rest for your souls." So - - yes, Jesus calls us "all" to this. This rest of Jesus is in God's own love (Romans 5:5) which has Heaven's very own beautifully pure pleasantness caressing us through and through us with "rest for your souls." So . . . in our free wills, *have* we been choosing this? Or, do we need how God's grace changes us to become obedient to this?
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/11/09


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Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously an godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.
---Bob on 11/11/09


Jesus died for ALL.

God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son. It doesn't say God so loved only those He predestined.

God's Grace is for all. "Whosoever may come, let Him come to the water," If you are willing to come to Him, then Come. His Grace is for EVERYONE.
---Donna on 11/11/09


Does the rain fall on only the saved?
Did the law which came by Moses cover all?
Well the grace which came by the Lord Jesus Christ is for every person, now for every person, saved and unsaved and later for all eternity for the saved!!!

The redeemed of the Lord will sing of his mercy and of his grace as the ages roll on.
Glory be to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ our Redeemer and God's son.
---mima on 11/11/09


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