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(Rev.2:20) thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess, and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication (To receive the Seed or word of world in this manner is fornication for a Christian.), and to eat things sacrificed to idols. (Spiritually its idolatry to obey ANapostate religious system rather than the Word on this matter).

{21} And I gave her TIME that she should repent, and she willeth not to repent of her fornication.

{22} Behold, I cast her into a bed, AND THEM that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, And I will kill her children with death,
---Paul9594 on 11/21/09


Lee1538:
Did all the men die in your city? Are your responses carnal, or are they from the spirit? *1. Since Jesus made the decision to only use men in certain positions within the Church structure, to dispute it is to call him a liar *2. Thus, to reject his word is to reject Him *3.
*1 Romans 6:19, 8:4-8, 1Corinthians 1:26, 3:1-3, Galatians 5:17-18, Colossians 2:18-19, 1Peter 4:1-2, 1John 2:16.
*2 Romans 9:21, 1Corinthians 12:4-6, 14-30.
*3 Numbers 23:19, Psalm 89:34, Isaiah 14:24, Malachi 3:6.
---Glenn on 11/21/09


MarkV -**I myself still believe the headship belongs to man.

Having done further study on this subject I am more inclined to believe that the Scripture does indeed promote the headship of man in the church.

Howbeit, I see nothing in Scripture that binds God not to give a calling to a woman particularly when there in no man that will answer the call and the woman is one that will be faithful to that calling.

Unlike Glenn who seems to beleive that if there is no man to man the pulpit one should go without, I believe God may call a woman into the pastorage. Souls are saved by the preaching of the gospel message from the pulpit and this important position should not be vacant because of gender bias.
---Lee1538 on 11/21/09


Lee1538,yes I was speaking of church matters and about husbands and wives relationship with each other and what the Bible says about them in church. It is about order in church. If you are saying I believe men should lead,or one of your so called "weak minded women" you picked the wrong woman. I was saved in a church with a woman pastor,baptised in another church by a woman pastor,the first ones sister by the way,and they had another sister who was a minister as was my own Aunt. I believe the Bible Galatians 3:28 when it says there is neither Jew nor Greek,bond nor free, male nor female,for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 11/21/09


1Timothy 2:11-12 (8-15). :8 Men = males / aner G435, and "lifting up holy hands" is also a way of saying 'ministering'. :11-12 are clear (silence with all subjection / silence). :12 "But I" shows that he is in agreement with the Lord. :13-14 means these rules precede the fall and applies to you today, Genesis 3:16 (4:7). :15 Women do this, and Titus 2:3-5. The ministry titles in Mathew 23:10-11, Acts 20:28, Philippians 1:1, 1Timothy 3:1-10, 12-13, Titus 1:7, etc. are masculine nouns, and the use here forces you to refer only to men in these positions of leadership. Also, Acts 4:19 & 5:29 instruct Christians to disobey orders contrary to the Lords will.
---Glenn on 11/21/09




"1Co14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
Gee, Paul uses the law to justify his point?

My Mother taught me plenty and with authority and later I came to realize the justice and the mercy in her lessons. My wife has shown me many insights on our daily conversations and studies on Scripture.
Do justice, mercy and faith have a gender? Are men more just, merciful or faithful than women, is the opposite rather the truth? Paul made Scripture when he said, "This say I...". I say too, that, say on this CN there are many wise men and women, and some of them too as tick as a brick and as ignorant.
---Nana on 11/21/09


1Corinthians 14:(33) 34-35 (36-38).
Women speaking in the Churches, "silence", "not permitted", "under obedience" (Genesis 2:18, 3:16). ..."shame" G149 aischron: dishonorable, filthy, indecorous, shameful, venal. :37 Do you "acknowledge ...the commandments of the Lord."(!) :38 means we are to reject those who reject Paul's instructions here. Women were not to take on those things that pertained to men include doctrine, preaching, prophesy, psalms, revelation, teaching, tongues and interpretation, which would be to "usurp authority over the man".
---Glenn on 11/20/09


Genesis 1:2, shows that there is an important distinction between the sexes. Genesis 3:16 (4:7, sin desires to rule over Cain) demonstrates Gods disapproval of Eve's insubordination to both God and Adam in 3:1-6. The serpent says "Yea, hath God said". 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16. :3 God, Christ, Man, Woman. A rebellious women is said to be uncovered, especially she who publicly makes prayer or prophesies, which dishonors God and men. 11:15 short hair equals wanting to be, or acting like, a man. :16 .."we have no such custom, neither the churches of God." Is yours' Gods' church?
---Glenn on 11/20/09


Trav, I am with you on this advice about teaching. You explained it very well. I have heard many other reasons why it is ok, some from Lee and also from Shawn T. whom I respect a whole lot. I myself still believe the headship belongs to man. I know this is not a good subject for woman. Because it puts woman on the defensive. I also know man have fail as headship and wives have had to take over. And have done a great job. But I believe when the man is submissive to God, his wife should be submissive to her husband. Even in the role of headship for the body of Christ. We are all one body in Christ but we have roles to play in God's plan.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09


Darlene //It isn't about a woman not speaking but about a woman not usurping the power over her husband plus it is a reminder for a wife to respect her husband and his position in the church, not to bring him shame.

Of course you have in view ONLY in the church since in our societies today athority is inherent in the job position held by the person.

For instance, a woman who is a military general, a surgeon, a political leader, head of State, etc. has authority derived from the position. And those who work under her, must of course, submit to her direction.

I am often left wondering if woman who believe men must lead are those who are too weak mentally to handle the responsibilities of decision making themselves.
---Lee1538 on 11/20/09




Miche3754:
Not fair, I answered 2 of your questions:

In 1Corin. 14:33:

2) Did women remain in subjection to headship of men in church of SAINTS, after resurrection of Christ, into the church age?

Yes or No?

DEBORAH story aims to reprove unfaithful men for not taking leadership, not to present an alternative norm to male authority. Holy Scripture SHOWS the rule of women as Gods judgment against the sinful nation, God ridicules it As for My people, Children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people! ..who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way (Is 3:12)
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


Trav,you make the mistake in thinking that I tell God what to do when really,
1. it is you and others who say God can't and won't let a woman teach, etc., men.
2. If person doing the teaching is in line with the word.
---miche3754 on 11/20/09

1. I don't prevent,if every woman in world/kosmos/erets wants to teach/preach. Only point it is risky scripturally. One can only warn. My/our work is done then. Self destruct is a very personal choice.
2. Now if post-er is saying what you want, you are in total agreement. Two or more scriptures say different you cry, whine,deny and insult. You need a Burgking Bible. You want it your way. Its a sign. We all have these moments. Be glad when yours is over. Ha. Havalaff.
---Trav on 11/20/09


Women TRYING to be men headship show low self- esteem about their own image women.
He lifts up GODLY women:

Woman represents the PURE body of Christ. Women represent His body!
Prophetesses
Earth described as she not him

She represents feminine love of God:
Beauty of submission within relationship of TRUE love
Additional strength to Husband supporting him.
Caring family home.
Caring and sensitive for care of tender, innocent children.

Since when is CARING of your LOVED ones become inferior WORK?

Since worldly feminist brainwashing?

More for women, weve entered end of days!

Why cant Godly women glory their likeness, representing the feminine of God?
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


Trey, the Bible says study to show thyself approved,rightly dividing the Word of truth. In Bible study you cannot just take verses for what they seem to say,you much do research. All the Bibles I looked to for running references on,keep silent etc,to see what they really are talking about,they refered to Genesis 3:16 which shows it is an order to husbands & wives. It isn't about a woman not speaking but about a woman not usurping the power over her husband plus it is a reminder for a wife to respect her husband and his position in the church,not to bring him shame.
---Darlene_1 on 11/20/09


Women TRYING to be men headship show low self- esteem about their own image women.
He lifts up GODLY women:
Woman represents the PURE body of Christ. Women represent His body!
Prophetesses
Earth described as she not him
She represents feminine love of God:
Beauty of submission within relationship of TRUE love
Additional strength to Husband supporting him.
Caring family home.
Caring and sensitive for care of tender, innocent children.
Since when is CARING of your LOVED ones become inferior WORK?
Since worldly feminist brainwashing?
More for women, weve entered end of days!
Why cant Godly women glory their likeness, representing the feminine of God?
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


The Apostle Paul is pretty clear on this point. If you don't like what he has to say don't be mad at me. All scripture is given by God.

1Co14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Call me a pig if you like. I'm just following scripture.
---trey on 11/20/09


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Amen Darlene and Samuel.

Trav, you make the mistake in thinking that I tell God what to do when really, it is you and others who say God can't and won't let a woman teach, etc., men.
God will and does do what he feels he ses fit.

If the person doing the teaching is in line with the word of God and is saying what the lord says, then I have no problem with whom ever God chooses.
His word says whom he chooses he also qualifies. I have no argument at all with God.
The bride God chooses is the Church and you know my feelings on that.
---miche3754 on 11/20/09


1 Corinthians 14:34,35 -women should remain silent in the churches.For they are not allowed to speak,but be in submission,as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something,they should ask their husbands at home,for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church. "As the Law says" the women are under the Law of their husbands doesn't mean any other Law. The reference for that is Genesis 3:16 Your desire shall be to your husband he shall rule over you. The only man women are in submission to is their husbands. This is about order in churches,not male domination,women were yelling across asiles to ask husbands questions,men and women didn't sit on same side. Verse 1 Cor 14,29 says 2-3 prophets speak,women prophets too.
---Darlene_1 on 11/20/09


Did anyone ever hear of Lottie Moon or Sojurner Truth of thousands of other women who lived and spread the gospel to people.

Sons and daughtes are to prophesy or teach. That is what GOD says is to happen.

Paul in a situation says women not to ask their husband questions in church. Remeber in Jewish churches women sat on one side and men on the other.

GOD will do what He see fit.
---Samuel on 11/20/09


But its alright, you don't have to. I am still praying for you.
I can admit when I made a mistake instead of clinging to ideas that are unbiblical and untrue.i.e you and racism.
---miche3754 on 11/20/09

Thank you. You are a big person.
I mean no malice, think you know that.
I would admit if scripture witnessed u. Who gives the right to destroy what GOD chose? Matter a fact it's just plain dangerous. I point to scripture....GOD can love his ex wife/widow if he wants. Would a believer argue? Oppose? Now you can be different. You tell GOD he can't love a wife more than another. Mess with a marriage relationship. At a cost. You of all, would not if you understood scripture.
---Trav on 11/20/09


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No. A woman should not teach a congregation. Only man are given that right. Not because they are better, wiser, or because woman are not good enough, but because God commands it. They can teach children, other woman. Man is to take the headship, just like in marriage.
---Bobby1 on 11/20/09


Trav, as usual you didn't answer my question.
But its alright, you don't have to. I am still praying for you.
I pray for all who believe they are the head of any church.
We are all to be servants and Jesus himself says that.
You keep thinking I am confused when I am not. I am being shown things by God daily. I made a mistake. Just like I did when I didn't finish reading Markv's post.
He is right God does change when man repents of their sin.
It is God's love that has never changed.
Unlike you, I can admit when I made a mistake instead of clinging to ideas that are unbiblical and untrue.i.e you and racism.
---miche3754 on 11/20/09


Paul said, a woman should not exercise authority over a man and should keep silent in the church. ---Donna on 11/12/09

So, are you saying that women are more wrong than men when it comes to knowledge of God and his word?

Women might be easily deceived BEFORE coming to Christ, but NOT after.
---miche3754 on 11/13/09

Michie,You are not a good example of what you write on deception afterwards. You appear just as deceived and in ignorance. You rebel against what you don't understand.
Many try to guide you in with scripture. You are a very good person who has been hurt badly obviously. But, it's about time to dust feet.
---Trav on 11/20/09


Lets get something correct, God never changes, period. His nature, character and attributes remains the same yesterday, today and forever.
In the case of God changing his mind, it is because of His attitude towards sin, His attitude toward sin and righteousness is unchanging. When dealing with men He must change His attitude as men turns from sin to repentance. His character remains the same, but His dealings with men change as they change from the position that is hateful to His unchanging hatred of sin, to one that is pleasing to His unchanging love of righteousness.
In most passages where that happens, the word "if" is included. God already knows what decision is going to be made.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09


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By the way Paul, I apologize for my mistake in saying that God does not change because he did change his mind. That was revealed by the Holy Ghost.
Torah points to sin doesn't it? Yes, it does.
Since man could not fulfill it, He sent his son to change it.
In Christ, man is not the head, Christ is.
It is in fleshly relationships, marriage, where man is the head. Men keep thinking they need to represent Jesus in his body when they don't. Christ is the head and God sending him was proof that he changed his mind about us. If he didn't why else would he send his son to die for us and reconcile us back to him. FIX what man did wrong to seperate us from him. God set aside his wrath through Jesus.
---miche3754 on 11/20/09


Paul God changes his mind about someone when they accept Jesus and come into the fold. He sets aside his anger and we know from the OT that God's anger can be great!
Why do you think he sent the Word, his son, Jesus Christ?
Because he changed his mind.
God took what you call torah and wrote it on our hearts.
It is through his spirit so that NO FLESH can get the glory that God does what HE wants.
Are you ?ing God on what he can or can't do? I don't. I study and test the Spirit's to see if who ever is teaching is telling the truth no matter what fleshly clothing they have on.
There was nothing new under the sun in Deborah's time as a Judge. Nothing different for her as with the others.
---miche3754 on 11/20/09


Miche3754:

I'm NOT going to continue on monologue.

Will you answer mine?

You admit God does not change.

1) Is Torah fleshly, bondage? Or Spiritual? Deborah use it, as you said.

2) Did women remain in subjection to headship of men in church of SAINTS, after resurrection of Christ, into the church age? In 1Cor. 14:33:

DEBORAH story aims to reprove unfaithful men for not taking leadership, not to present an alternative norm to male authority. Holy Scripture SHOWS the rule of women as Gods judgment against the sinful nation, God ridicules it As for My people, Children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people! ..who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way (Is 3:12)
---Paul9594 on 11/19/09


Glenn, stop bearing false witness.
IM NOT A PROPHET AND I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I have ever said is what the Bible says.
God said it in HIS WORD NOT ME!
You don't like the fact that GOD GAVE DEBORAH THE SAME AUTHORITY AS OTHER JUDGES OVER MEN. She gave "THUS SAYS THE LORD"
Does God change?NO
No different from any other woman of God.
If shes of God she will speak the truth no matter how much it offends the flesh. And she'll do it with a loving heart.
Lumping together verses, changing the meaning of them and then you calling it God's word doesn't make it God's word.
GOD appointed women to what ever HE chooses.
if you don't like it, get with God on the matter.
---miche3754 on 11/19/09


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INSTITUTIONS OF God teach:

Our Christ is all knowing, Christ is all powerful, and Christ is PERFECT and we agree with them.
- Paul
My church only teaches this.
They also teach in Christ we ARE neither male or female, bond nor free, man nor woman.
What you and glenn are doing is unknowingly (or knowingly) uplifting the flesh when the Bible says this-
John 6:62-64 (King James Version)
It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
But there are some of you that believe not....

You also ignore any scripture that speaks against what you are trying to say about women and approve the ones that agree with you.
---miche3754 on 11/19/09


To whom it may concern:
At least as it regards the subjects of men, women, and women in ministry, Miche3754 is teaching error, and should be thought of as a false prophet, Matthew 7:15-20. She has been corrected several times, and by different people. She keeps making statements, and asking questions, that have been answered already. She is insensitive to the Lords direction. When responding to these types of blogs she often uses a false dichotomy, attempts to misdirect others, and failing that she attacks. She has been asked to show her blog entries to her 'pastor' - she says: "Guys, my pastor is quite fine with them." Women Of Contempt (1255533049), 10/17/09.
---Glenn on 11/19/09


Paul,
Answer this.. Why would Paul contridict or do anything against what God had already Done?
Didn't God appoint Deborah? She had authority over men when it came to what God says about any situtation. SHe had the ear of God. SHe was the one who said "thus says the Lord". That's serious authority.
Now, Timothy writes a letter to Paul asking for guidance about the Church he is establishing. Paul says "do this and don't let women do this and this and this"
Going against or changing what God had done.
So, was this change for Timothy because of a problem with the women in his church or to be applied to all?
---miche3754 on 11/19/09


INSTITUTIONS OF God teach:

Our Christ is all knowing, Christ is all powerful, and Christ is PERFECT and we agree with them.

Yet in our hearts, we don't believe this.

So out of the abundance of our heart, we speak and contradict ourselves:

Our ALL PERFECT GOD:

Is SEXIST, wrong, to have put by example men to teach in church and not women. We know best, this is old fashioned. Lets fix His error.

The Torah of PERFECT CHRIST is faulty, of flesh.

Lets fix it because perfect Christ, He made a mistake.

This is why Christ came to fulfill the Torah to be seen as pitiful and not spiritual.

The principle of how to love Him ,obedience, Let's do as Adam and Eve!
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


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Miche3754"

You said"

//You take what Paul said to address a problem and apply it to everything when that was not the intentions of it.//

This isn't just about what Paul said to a specific situation or audience.

Paul,45 to 65 yrs.,INTO CHURCH AGE, AFTER RESURRECTION of Christ, , SPEAKS OF a precedent ALREADY SET:

1Cor 14:33 as in ALL,ALL, ALL, the CHURCHES of THE SAINTS

Can you see this?

Did all the churches of SAINTS have fleshly eyes? Even Paul fleshly eyes?

Paul,memorized the Torah, to know it like Deborah, if not better.

The big difference between Deborah, you women today, don't understand Torah.

God perfect, nature of Principles DURING this fall SET perfect .
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


Paul, Torah is no longer visible but written on men's and women's hearts!
That is where you error at.
The flesh is nothing in God's sight.
Torah is now written on the inward parts of man.
Just as there used to be sacrifice for sin, Jesus was the ultimate and ended all other sacrifices. They aren't needed any more.
I understand where you are coming from.
No, Torah wasn't not done away with By Jesus. It was fulfilled! meaning that man in his flesh could not do it! We can do nothing without Christ. And where is Christ?
In our hearts where Torah is fulfilled through Christ's spirit.
Get it? It is about the Spirit now not the flesh. God sees no flesh and no flesh should ever glory.
---miche3754 on 11/18/09


By the way, Paul, Huldah and Deborah had to know torah to even judge. Deborah was definately put in authority over men. So, what is the issue?
We are talking about the Spirit now not the flesh.
Stop looking at what is said through fleshly eyes.
We don't worship God with our flesh. We don't teach through our flesh. We don't preach trhough our flesh. All things are done in Spirit and in truth because God is to be worshiped in SPirit and in truth.
You take what Paul said to address a problem and apply it to everything when that was not the intentions of it.
---miche3754 on 11/18/09


Paul writes in 1st Cor 9:18-22 his stance on how he deals with who he talks with! did you ever stop to think that some of these messages that are written are written for the sole intent on the above passages! if we are walking in the spirit how do we see sexuality which is of the flesh read my last post to see what im talking about! if your still seeing differences in the flesh as a less than not equal to then are you not filled with pride! if we are children of God and there is no sexuality in heaven being born again we have already entered into that life soo......... heres a thought if children dont know the difference in sexuality and we must be as children to enter into heaven Mat 18:3 then why are we setting rules that children dont set!!
---sean on 11/18/09


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Michelle3754:

Arent you looking at the flesh of men?

Opposing, only the flesh of men teaching, disagreeing with the flesh of women not included to teach in the church.

Please, do as you preach, stop looking at flesh of men as headship of the Church, even God does.

Follow Gods voice SEEN by the example He set, and hear Him, even through Paul:

1Cor 14:33
For God is not of confusion, but of PEACE. As IN ALL the churches of the SAINTS,

34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

Paul, instructing 45 TO 65 YRS into the CHURCH AGE, Corinthians, OF GENTILE converts.
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


Michelle3754

2 prophetesses:

Huldah, Deborah, delivered specific messages. Deborah made judgments as Judge not teacher big difference. Do you deny this?
They didnt do teaching of Scripture from a pulpit.

Huldah two places: II King 22:14-20 and II Chron 34:22-28. Notice what she said. It wasnt words prepared from study. The words were "Thus says Yahweh." words were directly from Him for Huldah . She and Deborah vehicles through which Father spoke at a specific time, to certain people. They didnt have official positions of teaching, expounding on Scripture.

Torah/teachings instructions, not changed -- Matthew 5:17-18. Christ nor Father have changed -- Malachi 3: 6, Hebrews 13: 8, James 1: 17.
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


Paul, you say the voice of the apostles?
But actually its the voice of God. How do we worship him? In Spirit and truth.
Does he say worship in flesh and truth?
NO.
Its not the flesh that gets no glory. God gets the glory. God doesthe teaching. God does the preaching. God works through the gifts and every one has their gift given by God. No one can do anything on their own, man or woman.
God doesnt look at flesh. He looks at the Spirit. Is the spirit man or woman?
God says its neither when it comes to Christ. Its neither man nor woman, bond nor free, jew nor gentile. Its the Spirit of God. If we walk in the flesh we fufill the flesh. Walk in Spirit, don't fufill the flesh. Stop looking at the flesh because God has.
---miche3754 on 11/18/09


Michelle3754:

Dorcas, appointed by Paul to teach to contradict Himself? 1Corinthians 14:33-34

You asked, does anyone teach on their own? Is it the flesh that teaches the things of God?

No, to both questions, lets both use His Word: truth.

Dorcas:

Acts 9:36-42 tells us of a much-loved Dorcas. She was full of good works and made clothes and coats for needy people. She did her preaching through the example she set with her own life. There's no mention of her teaching anyone. Just the fact of her resurrection was a witness to many (verse 42).

Have some been teaching from the flesh or from the Word of God, the Children of God? Would they come back to His voice, of the apostles?
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


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Also,
If what you say is truth, then women shouldn't even be on these blogs dicussing the word of God.
We should all do what you say and sit down and be quite and not proclaim the word of God. Not be disciples of God.
But see, God says to make disciples of everyone who comes to the truth of Christ.
He doesn't say tell the men and leave the women out.
Again, we are not talking about the flesh and the law which you seem so obsessed with. We are talking about God and doing what HE says.
---miche3754 on 11/18/09


Paul,
1- God WILL use whom ever HE chooses and I'm fine with that. HIS TRUTH is - HIS TRUTH.
2- God does not see male or female. HE sees Christ in us the hope of glory.
3-Paul was addressing an apostasy issue in that particular church.
Proof- Deborah, given Authority over men
Dorcas given authority to teach men by Paul.
Male and female can be disciples. Jesus says plainly that in the CHURCH, HE- Jesus is the head, we are his body. Jesus doesn't need anyone to represent him here on this earth. He's represented by the Holy Spirit which is neither male nor female, jew nor greek. Whom Jesus chooses to serve, he also qualifies.
The apostasy IS men/women who think they are head of the Church when its supposed to be Jesus!
---miche3754 on 11/18/09


Also, answer this...
Does anyone teach on their own?
Is it the flesh that teaches the things of God?
Absolutely NOT. It is the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things and all truth.
It is God that does it ALL so that no flesh should get any glory.
So tell me, why have men throughout the ages felt like they are suppose to represent Jesus when he doesn't need it.
We are here to serve HIM and do what HE says not what man says.
And you can certainly tell if a man or woman is of God. Because like I said, whom God chooses he also qualifies.
So, if men would get off their trips over the flesh, maybe God would not call women to do a man's job.
---miche3754 on 11/18/09


Sean:

So then Christ is fleshly by picking only 12 Apostle Men without involving Women?

Are you denying His example left for us, being that Christ left men as Headship, into the Church age, so called?

Lets not look into sexuality, to the point that men can lay with men? Ridiculous,
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09


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I cant understand how someone can call themselves christians and find themselves checking out at the differences of the flesh! Sexuality is of the flesh not walking in the spirit!!!(Gal 3:28 we are all one in Christ by faith if we walk in the Spirit . if we see according to the flesh then yes we see [eyes] women as (sexual) [flesh] less than [pride] man (1st Jo 2:16) if Jesus says that when we go to heaven we are neither married nor given into marriage then how can anyone here who claims to be a christian find themselves dwelling on things of the flesh we are called for a higher calling to bring those who are lost hope through Christ. If we cant get past the flesh then are we doing his will???
---sean on 11/17/09


Im reaching only the Children of our Father scattered by precepts of apostates. He is calling you into His ONE FOLD, ISRAEL.
John 10:16

He doesnt call you into JEWS, CHRISTIANS, messianic, Catholic FOLDS, come out of them, hear His voice, of the apostles!

Children, with the EXCEPTIONS of the Gospels,

SOME points readily seen, need to BE emphasized ABOUT ALL the epistles written in NT:

Epistles ACTIVELY taught:
1) 30 yrs to 65 yrs INTO the CHURCH AGE! Even apostates agreed with this fact.
2) AFTER the resurrection of Christ,
3) by men baptized by the Holy Spirit,
4) by men who were the Headship of the Church with power and authority given by the Father!

Follow their instructions, not apostasy!
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09


Michelle3754:

The Father in Disappointment speaks:

Isaiah 3:12-13
As for MY people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O MY people, they that LEAD thee CAUSE thee to ERR, and DESTROY the WAY of thy paths.

13 Jehovah standeth up to contend, and standeth to JUDGE the peoples.


Does your Fathers disappointment about this situation mean anything to you?


1Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence IN the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

How do you apply this verse above? Teaching 45 to 65 yrs. into the church age.

Do we follow Apostleship?
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09


I like your answer Rob!


Rom 1:18 for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and UNRIGHTOUSNESS of men, who HINDER the TRUTH in unrighteousness,

19 because that which is known of God is manifest in them, for God manifested it unto them


Good pointed Scriptures!
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09


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Samuel, those who think women should not do this will probably tell you that they wouldn't have been beaten if they were usurping authority.
But I say that we are all charged with spreading the Gospel and those women were doing what Jesus commanded. Were they wrong for telling God's word? Were they wrong for evangelizing?
I don't believe they were.
I agree that God uses women how HE chooses not by man's standard.
I believe Paul was addressing a specific issue at that point and time.
I believe the church is SPiritual not of flesh and that Jesus is the head and we are the body and the body will/should do what the head tells it to do.
How can women be usurping authority when Christ is the head and authority?
---miche3754 on 11/17/09


Four women serving as Gospel for Asia missionaries in Haryana, India, were severely beaten in their home on Sunday. Two GFA pastors were also injured in the attack, which was carried out by radical Hindu groups.

Charlotte "Lottie" Moon, who served for decades in China with the Southern Baptist Convention before she died in 1912 of starvation.


Mary Slessor, who went to Africa and took up the mantle of David Livingstone in 1875, two years after he died. She was an explorer and evangelist and her legacy lives on in Nigeria today.

Remeber Dorcas who preached in a different way.
---Samuel on 11/17/09


The scriptures don't forbid women teaching but they do forbid women in the church from being in authority over the men of the church. Otherwise the woman is without covering and the men are in shame. This is a type of headship and submission according to 1st Corinthians 1:1-16. God decided who would be the head because anything with two head is a monster. Men are high-beams designed to reason while women are low-beams designed to feel, women watch over the immdiate while men watch over the long-term future. Both men and women are called to be teachers but only one is to be in authority, a spirit filled leader and but not a carnal boss.
---BOB on 11/16/09


AMEN !!!
---miche3754 on 11/17/09


Dear Rhonda, do not limit God to the examples you have cited. God is OVER-ALL. The letter killeth but the Spirit gives life. God will not take permission from a man or woman to decide those that should teach. The Spirit of God will manifest in any-one HE is using men or women. All impostors/deceivers (men or women) serving where God did not ask them to serve will be exposed, let us leave this for God to show.
---Adetunji on 11/17/09


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Dear Rhonda:

Well said! Thanks for sharing your understanding!

I see you're into the truth!

You're definitely of the ONE FLOCK OF THE ONE TRUE SHEPHERD! And not of the flock of apostates!

I have one good news for your kind of women, that stand for the truth of the Word as taught by the true apostles!

But this principle WE speak of must be established first!
---Paul9594 on 11/16/09


No woman or female was ever called to preach the gospel of christ.. any church or person that does so is against GOD and therefore you are not saved.. Name one(1) that preached the gospel... i bet you can't find one... not one...
---Antonerio on 11/16/09


12 men were Disciples

Christ did not have Women Disciples

All Apostles were men

no examples of women Apostles

New Testament is VOID of ANY examples of women teaching men individually or in groups because it would be AGAINST 1Tim 2:12

Christ built his church in spirit and truth and CHOSE MEN

the world decided it was sexist - NOT Christ
---Rhonda on 11/16/09


The scriptures don't forbid women teaching but they do forbid women in the church from being in authority over the men of the church. Otherwise the woman is without covering and the men are in shame. This is a type of headship and submission according to 1st Corinthians 1:1-16. God decided who would be the head because anything with two head is a monster. Men are high-beams designed to reason while women are low-beams designed to feel, women watch over the immdiate while men watch over the long-term future. Both men and women are called to be teachers but only one is to be in authority, a spirit filled leader and but not a carnal boss.
---BOB on 11/16/09


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Scripture teaches we will know people by the fruit they bear.

Those who say it is okay and give approval of women teaching men in the Church are demonstrating the fruit of those mentioned in Romans 1:18-32.
---Rob on 11/16/09


Iam of the opinion that all believers,and that means both genders,are ambassadors of the ministry of jesus christ.all have been given authority by him.
---tom2 on 11/14/09


Children, Paul, the apostle baptized by the Holy Spirit, actively teaching in this epistle, written 45 to 65 yrs., INTO THE CHURCH AGE, teaches:

2Thess 3:6
Now we COMMAND YOU, brethren, in the NAME of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye WITHDRAW yourselves from every brother that walketh DISORDERLY, and not after the TRADITION which they received OF US.

2Thess 3:14 And IF ANY MAN obeyeth NOT our word by this epistle, NOTE THAT MAN, that ye have no company with him, to the end that he may be ashamed.

Are some women walking disorderly against the traditions TAUGHT into THE CHURCH AGE by true apostles?

In the name of grace, have you fallen into the pit of apostasy? Judgment begins with church 1peter 4:17
---paul9594 on 11/13/09


It makes no difference if a so-called male pastor appoints a woman to preach, becasue God's Word clearly forbids it. Therefore the so-called pastor and the woman both are in sin.
---Eloy on 11/13/09


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"With women...they can be doubly wrong. Or twice in error."
trav

So, are you saying that women are more wrong than men when it comes to knowledge of God and his word?

Women might be easily deceived BEFORE coming to Christ, but NOT after.
as I recall, Even though Eve was deceived, Adam sinned willingly. So who is really weaker in the flesh? Man or woman.
Woman fell by deception, man CHOSE to fall.
Why do you think sin entered through Adam?
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


Before I answer the passage in I Cor. Rember that Paul also said.

Phl 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

Tts 2:3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things,

1Cr 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered ....

The problem is that many take just one verse and do not corralate all of them together.
---Samuel on 11/13/09


Joseph:) Well said. I agree. Bible says that in the" latter days I will poor out my spirit...." and both sexes will do the work of God as HE chooses. Paul's idea of women in the church was specific to the church he was talking to as two very powerful women were causing a church split. In that country, women owned their businesses and were very different (outspoken) than most areas of the middle east. For those who take that believe that women should not speak or lead in a church, remember that if a MAN gives a woman authority, then it legitimate for her to follow his lead. Many male pastors appoint women for ministry.
---jody on 11/13/09


"Can women teach men in church?"
Man's only guide or teacher is The Holy Spirit and He can and will both teach and lead through both male and female. Mat. 23:8,10
Women Leaders?
The character of a most valiant and gallant leader was exemplified through Deborah, one that can not be denied or disputed. Judges 4:1-14
Women teachers?
Expounding "the way of God more perfectly" to Apolios "an eloquent man, [and] mighty in the scriptures" is attributed to both Aquila and Priscillia equally. Acts 18:24-26
---josef on 11/13/09


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Paul said, a woman should not exercise authority over a man and should keep silent in the church. We take this scripture out of context to mean a woman cannot teach at all. She can teach, she just shouldn't exercise authority over a man.
---Donna on 11/12/09

Out of regard i say, B careful with this choice. 2 or not 2. To teach is authority. You learn from one have the authority of GOD to teach.

Seen here many have desire...but, I don't understand why women would want to teach men, with additional penalty's for being wrong. With women...they can be doubly wrong. Or twice in error.

On the other hand...men that kneel at these teachers feet...well just don't qualify as men. Signothetimes.
---Trav on 11/13/09


Donna66/KarenD:

Paul, WRITTINGS actively teaching 45 to 65 yrs. INTO the CHURCH age, so called.

1Cor 14:33 For God is not of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Isaiah.3:12, As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that LEAD thee cause thee to ERR, and DESTROY the way of thy paths.
1Cor:37 If any man or spiritual, let him acknowledge the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

IS error new under the sun, should we follow it?
---Paul9594 on 11/12/09


Yes, there are many female pastors in many "churches." Somehow they manage to skip Paul's admonition in 1 Cor 14:34-35 that it is a shame for women to speak in church. I take that to mean from the pulpit. That fits with the many other examples of women evangelizing and teaching from the home.
---George on 11/12/09


For any woman to be a pastor or such she would have to totally ignore the Scriptures that say a bishop must be the husband of one wife. Can't happen. 1 Tim 3:2 and Titus 1:6
---Loddie on 11/12/09


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Funny Ralph--very funny :D
---Mary on 11/12/09


Must be ok, we have several women pastors in our area.
---Bob on 11/12/09

Therefore, anything and everything being done in today's world is ok. Right?

There have been many pastors and priests convicted on child molesting. Must be ok because they were doing it. Right?

I have yet to find a pastor who follows the Word of God completely.
---Gary on 11/12/09


Must be ok, we have several women pastors in our area.
---Bob on 11/12/09


donna has it right.a woman teaching a man something is not against scripture,but having authority over one is.Men have been given authority by God over women,and every living creature on earth.I agree with her that too many take the word teaching ,and replace it in their mind for the word authority,and its not the same thing.HEY DONNA TEACH THEM SOMETHING GIRL.
---tom2 on 11/12/09


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Yes. Women have been Prophetess and Judges they can teach men.

Act 21:8 And the next [day] we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was [one] of the seven, and abode with him.


Act 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
---Samuel on 11/12/09


Maybe to sew on buttons and stuff.
---ralph7477 on 11/12/09


Donna: I do agree, there are ( & should be) teaching opportunities for women in the Church (Body of Christ) & the church-house. In your view, does Scripture only mean women shouldn't take authority over men, i.e., the pastor, elder, bishop, or does that also extend to godly men in congregations who are priest in their homes?
---Leon on 11/12/09


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