It is first necessary that you show us who this Paul was,both what he was before he was an apostle, and how he became an apostle,-Tertullian 200AD
barb, did you ever read from where these "critiques" come?
This is the statement before the "critique", which adds some of the context back into it.
"so that they should severally preach not a different gospel, but (the same), to different persons, Peter to the circumcision, Paul to the Gentiles."
---micha9344 on 1/31/14|
"It is evident from this, that if he had gone up without a revelation, he would have committed an act of folly. But the actual case involved no such absurdity, who shall dare to still harbor this suspicion, when it was the grace of the Spirit which drew him?"-St John Chysostom
This is part of the context to his "critique."
Have you ever researched these barb?
Is this what you hold as truth over the Bible itself?
These "critiques" are the tricks of the Devil, for without context, they are deceiving and promote lies.
This is heresy trying to lead people away from knowing the One True God.
2Tim 4:3-4, but these aren't Truth in your bible.
---micha9344 on 1/31/14|
barb, you quoted Jer. 8:8 and wrote it down. Are you suggesting the passage is stating that the scripts who wrote down the books of Scripture lied?
Do you not understand that Jesus consistently treated the historical narratives of the Old Testament as straightforward records of fact? He often chose as the basis of His teaching those very stories that most critics like you find unacceptable. What you are doing is denouncing Paul and some others on your own authority. Which really means you have nothing, not even the grace of God, which tells us you know nothing about the Grace of God spoken of all through Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/14|
barb://Look up Critiques of Paul 200 AD to 1945. Lots of good quotes there for anyone interested.// Apostle Paul was chosen by the Lord for whom he worked and died after his conversion. Stop searching for critics of Paul, we are more interested in what God has done & taught us through him.
---Adetunji on 1/31/14|
Look up Critiques of Paul 200 AD to 1945. Lots of good quotes there for anyone interested.
---barb on 1/30/14|
"For neither I, nor any other such one, can come up to the wisdom of the blessed and glorified Paul."-Polycarp 1st C.
"...Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul..."-Irenaeus 2nd C.
"Wherefore it behoves us also to live according to the will of God in Christ, and to imitate Him as Paul did"-Ignatius 1st C.
"Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity"-Clement of Rome 1st C.
--Does anyone have any quotes they would like to share in support of or against Paul being an apostle in the first millennium?
Those against might want to check out the Ebionites and why their heresy was rejected.
---micha9344 on 1/30/14|
Read down a little bit.
She does not believe anything written by Luke, Paul, nor the Epistle of 2Peter, because it mentions Paul in it.
She denounces it all, so a verse written by Luke means nothing to her.
Any mention of Paul being a Christian is summarily dismissed as being Pauline.
The funny thing is, she accepts Mark on some "Peter unable to write" excuse.
Maybe she should reject 1Peter as well then.
Disbelief is rampant.
Talk about tricks of the devil.
---micha9344 on 1/29/14|
\\Samuelbb7, The disciples of Jesus were sent out to teach and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost without being told to wait for the Pentecost in the book of Acts. barb\\
Yes, they WERE told to wait, barb.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/29/14|
Samuelbb7, The disciples of Jesus were sent out to teach and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost without being told to wait for the Pentecost in the book of Acts. barb
True but that does not mean they immediately did it. Because the two passages are not incompatible. On Pentecost they were all together in one accord and were able to preach in different languages to Jews from many countries.
They were given the commission then empowered to fulfill it.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/14|
Mark V, you forgot to quote Jeremiah 8:8, "And how can you say, we are wise, and the Law of the Lord is with us? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie."
---barb on 1/29/14|
barb, did you really read (Jer. 8:8,9)? it speaks against what you believe. read it again, Here is (v.9), "The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken. Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord"
That is what you are doing, rejecting the word of the Lord. The Bible is the Word of the Lord. If you conclude that only one part is, then you are the barometer of what Truth is. And sorry, you are not.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/14|
Samuelbb7, The disciples of Jesus were sent out to teach and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost without being told to wait for the Pentecost in the book of Acts. Matt 28:18-20.
I do follow the Word of God but not everything written in the bible is His Word. Jeremiah 8:8-9.
---barb on 1/28/14|
/Mark's gospel is in harmony with Matthew and John/ barb
matthew, mark, and luke are called the synoptic gospels because they have harmony and commonalities that john does not possess.
Again, my sincere congratulations to you on being able to keep the law perfectly.
---aka on 1/28/14|
barb, I am so impressed with your wisdom. Unlike the Apostle Peter you were not deceived for a moment into thinking that the Apostle Paul was a true follower and Apostle of Jesus Christ! WOW what wisdom and insight you have! With so much understanding why do you even need scripture? You should just write your own book!!!
2 Peter3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you,
---trey on 1/27/14|
Pentecost is celebrated for a number of reasons. One is that it is the anniversary of the Giving of the Ten Commandments. It was also a major gathering of the people of GOD.
Yes the Apostle were already filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. But on Pentecost they receive a special filling that was to enable them to reach the world and includes the ability to speak in different languages.
The devil wants you to not believe in the Bible because that will enable him to trick us by abandoning our protection from his lies.
Love GOD follow all His word.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/14|
Michael9344, Good questions. Peter could not write and Mark was writing for Peter. Mark's gospel is in harmony with Matthew and John.
I don't decide what is true or not. There is only one Truth. All Truth will agree. Therefore I go by the Law and the Prophets and the Testimony of Jesus given to us by His eyewitness disciples.
No. I do not believe the Pentecost in Acts took place. Jesus had already given His disciples the Holy Spirit in John 20:22-23 and they were told to meet Him in Gallilee (Matt 28:16, Mark 14:27-28) not stay in Jerusalem as Luke wrote.
---barb on 1/27/14|
His trick is to steal the word of God from you. How does he do that by getting you to believe something other than the Gospel that is given to you by Jesus Christ. That is all he can do. (Mark chapter 4) Jesus said he is a liar and a deceiver, (John 10:10) that is what happen in the garden. He trick them into believing something other than what God had said. The word of God brings life don't let anyone tell you different. If they do Just smile say that's what it does for me. You don't have to prove the word it will prove it's self.
---BRYAN on 1/27/14|
"I do not believe Luke's gospel as he was not a disciple of Jesus...agreement with Matthew, John, Mark..."-barb on 1/27/14
-Mark was also not a disciple of Jesus, yet you are willing to believe his account. Why?
You throw out what has generally been accepted as Truth since they have been written. What makes a corrupt individual, living almost two thousand years after the facts, think he or she can decide what is true?
The only sin unforgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is disbelief.
I am under the impression that you also don't believe in the account at Pentecost?
---micha9344 on 1/27/14|
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
The Gospel will last forever. Salvation is by belief in JESUS CHRIST and His resurrection. He is the lamb sacrificed from the Beginning of the world. We are saved by the Blood. Look at all the blood sacrifices in the Old Testament they are pointing to the fact we cannot do a work to save ourselves. We have to have another die in our place.
We obey because we are saved and in Love with GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/14|
Mark V, just for the record I do not believe Luke's gospel as he was not a disciple of Jesus or an eyewitness to His ministry. He did not meet Jesus or hear first hand His teaching. He was a disciple of Paul's. I also believe the Law and Prophets in the old testament and they are in complete agreement with Matthew, John, Mark and
Revelation as also are the epistles of John.
---barb on 1/27/14|
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barb, I know already that you only believe in the four gospels and the books of John 1 & 2 and Revelation. And have something very bad against Paul. I really don't know why only those books you believe in. But the gospel is mentioned all through Scripture from Gen 3:15 to Revelation. From the first time men sinned against God to Revelation. All of Scripture, and you are missing in a whole lot. It was great answering you, you take care,
---Mark_V. on 1/27/14|
Elder, God only has to reveal something once for it to be truth. He sent His Son with the Truth, the same truth that He tried to teach Israel in the desert but they would not listen to God or His Son. His Truth does not change.
The book of Romans was Paul's gospel not the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus taught.
---barb on 1/27/14|
"Show me in the book of Revelation where we are told that we are saved by grace."
Whoa, you don't think we get saved by anything other than God'a Grace do you?
Romans is a book revealing God's salvaion plan.
Revelation is a book revealing Jesus Christ as God Almighty. It is also prophecy and end time events.
You can see how to be saved in it.
Not all books in the Bible teach the exact same concepts. They do all tie in to each other.
But, let me ask you barb, how many times has God got to reveal something to us for it to be truth or for someone to be saved?
---Elder on 1/26/14|
barb, you believe Jesus was giving the whole gospel in the passages you gave but He wasn't. If He had it would take another books for Him to give the whole gospel. The whole gospel is not keeping the commandments. No one can keep all the laws accept for Jesus Christ. That is why they are all guilty without Christ.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" All without Christ are condemned already. What is the condemnation?
"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:18,19).
---Mark_V. on 1/26/14|
Jesus makes no mention of Paul in His Revelation to the churches unless you want to count Rev 2:2.
---barb on 1/25/14
barb, i cannot keep all God's commandments perfectly. Since this is the only way to Heaven then congratulations. i cannot do it under my own power so I need God's grace.
---aka on 1/25/14|
Elder, explain to me how Jesus agrees with the message that Paul taught using the Words that He gave John in Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12, Rev 22:14-15 and Rev 11:18-19 or any other verses from Revelation.
If the gospel of Paul was the same as the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus taught, shouldn't they have the same message? Show me in the book of Revelation where we are told that we are saved by grace.
Revelation was written after the death and resurrecton of Jesus and given to John so why doesn't Jesus tell us the good news about salvation that Paul claims to have been given thru personal revelations and visions? Why does Jesus place so much emphasis on those who keep the commandments of God?
---barb on 1/25/14|
Mark V, I was talking about what Jesus told the angel to give to John to write in the book of Revelation. That was quite a few years after Paul preached his gospel and wrote his letters, therefore Jesus does not agree with Paul as evidenced in Rev. 12:17, Rev 14:12, Rev. 22:14-15 and Rev. 11:18-19. Jesus makes no mention of Paul in His Revelation to the churches unless you want to count Rev 2:2.
---barb on 1/25/14|
"Mark V, did you ever notice that Jesus completely ignores everything that Paul ever taught about grace?"
How could your statement even begin to be true if the Scripture is given by God's inspiration?
Why do you go to the dictionary to define what the Bible says? Many do that and stay confused.
I have never seen anywhere that Jesus rejected the scriptual teaching of Paul about anything. Show me one.
---Elder on 1/25/14|
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barb, you are trying real hard not to believe in the Grace of God. You say,
"Mark V, did you ever notice that Jesus completely ignores everything that Paul ever taught about grace?"
How could Jesus ignore what Paul said, when Paul came after Jesus had risen? Second, Jesus is our grace. We are saved by Grace through faith in Christ. But as I said before, you do not have to believe it. Many do not believe in the grace of God anyway, they believe in their own free will. Jesus said that salvation with men was impossible. But so many here ignore the Word of God, you ignore the rest of Scripture also, you are no different, but it is ok. You are entitle to your opinions.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/14|
May the grace of christ be with you.
---aka on 1/24/14|
aka, I can't see anywhere where Jesus or John tells us in Rev 1 or Rev 22 that we are saved by grace. According to the Webster's dictionary "grace" can have several meanings.
When you say Jesus summarized the commandments do you mean when He said that ALL the commandments hang on these two? I don't call that summarizing, I call it enforcing ALL ten.
How does Jesus giving His disciples a new commandment invalidate the ten that His Father gave?
---barb on 1/24/14|
Seems john ignored jesus ignoring paul...
Revelation 1:4 KJV
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come...
Revelation 22:21 KJV
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
Btw...was jesus ignoring god when he summarized the commandments? Was jesus ignoring god when he gave a new commandment in john 13:34?
---aka on 1/24/14|
Mark V, did you ever notice that Jesus completely ignores everything that Paul ever taught about grace? In the book of Revelation Jesus goes right on teaching the commandments of God and His testimony because it is the Truth. Rev. 12:17, Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 22:14.
The book of Revelation is the same Word that God taught thru His prophets and the same Word that Jesus taught His disciples to preach to the world (Matt 29:18-20) because God never changes. His Word is eternal, everlasting.
Can you explain what those verses in Revelation mean? Can you explain Rev. 11:18-19?
---barb on 1/24/14|
barb, I never put words in God's mouth. So please do not accuse me of it, just because I do not agree with you, that is the same tactic many here use. Did I ever say Grace was found in the passages I gave you? No. I said it was an act of grace when God draws people to Himself. If you do not believe that we are saved by grace through faith, as I said, it is ok by me. I am sure you are not along on this, millions upon millions believe as you do, that God shows no grace when He draws us to Himself and saves us.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14|
barb, it is ok that you do not see the grace of God anywhere. That is ok. So many do not see it. They believe in free will. And that too is ok. I am not trying to change you, but only if you can see and hear spiritual things so that you will understand the grace of God and accepted it for being grace not works.
I leave you peace.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14|
Mark V, I don't see it because it is not there. God never said the words that you are putting into His mouth. You see those words because that is what you want to see.
---barb on 1/22/14|
barb, you say,
"John 6:44 does not use the word grace or faith nor does verse 45."
You don't see it because God has not revealed it to you. If God draws you to Himself, His having mercy on you. Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men who does not deserve mercy or love. God's essential nature included love (1 John 4:16) manifested in mercy and grace, and holiness (1 John 1:5) manifested in righteous judgment of sin. God cannot display His love until sin has been judged. Grace functions totally apart from human merit or works, it rest completely in Christ.
Every genuine Christian should be thankful that God saved them by Grace, they only deserved eternal death for sinning against God.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/14|
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---Lidia4796 on 1/20/14|
Mark V, I understand what you are saying but those of the truth who hear His voice are not listening to the voice of anyone else.
John 6:44 does not use the word grace or faith nor does verse 45. Those verses are about hearing and learning and knowing the words of God which will draw us to the Son because God's words are Jesus' words. Their words have the same message and their words are eternal and everlasting and it is the everlasting gospel that is preached to the world at the end of time not the gospel of grace. Rev 14:6-13.
---barb on 1/20/14|
barb, you missed the point of the passage in (John 18:37) because you did not finish reading it,
"Pilate therefore said to Him, Are you a king then? Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I Am a King. For this purpose I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the Truth. (Now hear this)" "Everyone who is of the Truth hears My voice"
Only those who are already of the Truth hear His voice. And who are those who hear His voice? Those who are drawn by the Father. They are drawn by Grace to Himself. Which also tells us that many other are not drawn by God. It is by the Grace of God through faith that they are not only drawn to Himself, but in turn given to Christ. Those are His sheep.
---Mark_V. on 1/20/14|
Mark V, you missed the point of John 18:37. Also see John 3:21. The reason Jesus came into this world was to testify to the truth, "to this end was I born". His words are Truth. His words are God's words. His words are eternal and never changing.
John 6:44 is followed by John 6:45. "It is written in the prophets, and they shall all be taught of God. EVERY MAN therefore that has heard and learned of the Father comes unto me." Generations of people have heard of the Father but not very many have taken the time to learn of Him. Those who have studied and learned the words of God (thru His prophets) will be drawn to the Son.
Peter understood, John 6:61-69.
---barb on 1/19/14|
barb, here is what you said to oppose salvation by grace through faith, because Paul taught that,
"Did He teach that we are saved by grace thru faith or did He teach the same Words that His Father tried to teach to Israel in the desert? John 18:37."
Here Jesus says He was born and the cause was to bear witness to the Truth, and everyone who is of the truth already Hears His words (John 18:37). Nothing about Israel there, but what is in (John 6:44) Jesus had already said that those who hear His words or those drawn by the Father,
"No one can come to Me unless My Father draws him, and I will raise Him up at the last day" Those drawn by the Father are drawn by the grace of God, Jesus did teach grace.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/14|
mich9344://Satan always has truth mixed in. This is where discernment comes in.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Once it is mixed with a lie, however, it is no longer Truth// I totally agree with this your comment.
---Adetunji on 1/17/14|
To Barb. All respect to you.thankyou
Wonderfull post 1-15-14
We got to firmly planted,grounded in our faith in Christ.
Satan has nothing but,counter fit! Out to steal our faith! Make people doubt God - trade the truth God has for lies,using deceit.
Love of Jesus! Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 1/16/14|
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steveng, thanks for scripture. somehow it got passed me. I don't say I know everything but I know some things.
---shira4368 on 1/16/14|
shira4368: "steveng, where does scripture say satan controls weather, wind..,"
Book of Job
... and even impregnant a woman???
You must first understand Jude 6-7, and then read Genesis 6:2, 4
All throughout the bible, angels had superatural powers to do anything, but the angels of God will not use their powers for personal gain as does Satan and his minions do.
---Steveng on 1/16/14|
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Ref: Psa 91:11-12 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Satan always has truth mixed in. This is where discernment comes in.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Once it is mixed with a lie, however, it is no longer Truth.
---micha9344 on 1/15/14|
steveng, where does scripture say satan controls weather, wind and even impregnant a woman??? God did allow satan to buffet job but satan had God's permission.
---shira4368 on 1/15/14|
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Satan takes the truth, twists it, bends it and uses it to confuse the world. Isn't that what he did to Adam & Eve? Did he not tell them that they would be as gods, knowing good and evil? Did they know good and evil after eating the fruit? Gen 3:22.
The only way not to be deceived by Satan is to be firmly grounded in the Truth. How do we know that what we believe is the Truth? Is it enough to just believe that Jesus was born, lived on earth and died to pay our death penalty or does He expect us to believe in His Words? Did He teach that we are saved by grace thru faith or did He teach the same Words that His Father tried to teach to Israel in the desert? John 18:37.
---barb on 1/15/14|
Steven, this is the best answer you can give and that too is wrong. Here you say,
"Satan comes as an angel of light. He'll tell you ten truths to have you believe in one lie. Didn't Satan tempt Jesus with biblical truths?"
Satan is a deceiver, he is a liar, he never tells any Truth. Satan tempted Jesus but not with the Truth, Jesus rebuked him with the Truth of Scripture.
Why do you give him more credit than he deserves? You have made him creator. Someone who tells Truth. Don't you understand that he cannot do anything unless God allows him to? The Ultimate Ruler of all things is God. Why don't you get that right? Why don't you understand?
---Mark_V. on 1/15/14|
Satan comes as an angel of light. He'll tell you ten truths to have you believe in one lie. Didn't Satan tempt Jesus with biblical truths?
My post was about angels in which Satan is one of them. All the items I listed are found in the bible by the power of angels. And if you read my post very slowly and carefully, you'll notice I said Satan is "able" just as much as any angel.
---Steveng on 1/14/14|
Steveng://open prison doors, preach the gospel, hold back enemies, to shut the mouths of lions// These are the functions of God/Jesus. Satan is an evil task-master that holds his followers captive and the no:1 enemy of mankind.
---Adetunji on 1/14/14|
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Steven, to you Satan is
God Almighty. Why didn't you just say that? Wow, did you get that from the computer? He is a creator also. You found two creators in the Bible. How is that possible? Then say, like any angel.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/14|
As with any angel, Satan has the power to not only deceive the whole world, but also able to control the weather, create plagues, perform miracles, smites people with boils, create winds to destroy houses and to hold back winds, impregnate women, take possession of a body, smite people with blindness, destroy cities, open prison doors, preach the gospel, hold back enemies, to shut the mouths of lions, etc. Ephesians 6:12, 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 6:4, Revelation 6:8, Revelation 13:2, Revelation 13:12,14
---Steveng on 1/13/14|
The devil only has one tick that is all he can do. He does not have the power to create, he does not have the power to in lighten you, he does not have any power at all. He can only suggest, or deceive you into believing that your no worthy enough to receive any of God's Blessing in your life. The fact God gave you his all, Don't let satan lie to you any more tell him to shut up just like Jesus did. Then learn who you are in Christ Jesus.
---BRYAN on 1/13/14|
Satan has always tried to separate you from God. So, however that manifests itself. He pretends to be God and is mean to you, or has someone you perceive to be from God mislead you. He'll use anyone to put a wedge between you and your relationship with God, even twist your own understanding. The basics for defeating him are holding onto the words of God. Satan knows the Bible. He createS a false narrative for you to live under that will separate you from the good God wants in your life. Trust God. Cling to God. Don't let Satan try and pry you away. There are things we have to accept in this life, but don't forget that God is good, meaning, things will be good even if you can't see it. "Rely not on your own understanding."
---caleb8446 on 1/13/14|
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If I were the devil I would deny my existence in the world and downplay it in the local church, thus freeing me to go about my business unheeded, unhindered and unchecked!  He lays snares for men 2 Tim. 2:26,  He tempts, Mt. 4:1. Note: Tempt can refer to two things  to test, to prove with the idea of making better Genesis 22:1.  To entice to do evil Mat. 4:1.And He deceives [Rev. 12:9. There are many more ways Satan can trick.
---catherine on 1/13/14|
He uses many tricks! For singles,who want a mate,looking to get married.
1.Watch Out! Men..Satan send you a female,type you like! But, not saved! She' all nice attributes (physical) you love. 2.Ladies,Satan got you a
" goodlookin' exciting,caring type guy"a wolf in sheep's clothing!
Satan sends YOU what you lust for.. God WILL send you who GOOD for you & know YOU good for them.
Pray wait on God He will send you,the right person for you.A godly christian man or woman who should be devoted,seasoned in the word,loves God,Seeks Jesus to live & walk in the Spirit. Put God first wait on him!
---Lidia4796 on 1/7/14|
lies,scripture tells us satan disguises himself as an angel of light,also as a roaring lion devouring who he may.his best weapon may be your flesh,he uses temptation,lies,and your weaknesses,which is the flesh against all of us.
---tom2 on 12/30/09|
Who left the gate open? lol
---AlwaysOn on 12/20/09|
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1) Makes you think that he is your friend.
2) Has people come into your life that say they are Christians, that are not.
---amand6348 on 11/18/09|
There are some great answers here and I want to add something please.
I have seen with my own eyes the trick of the devil is to deceive human beings and get them to believe a lie about God. "Hath God really said you shall not eat the apple?" Eve's biggest mistake was when she talked back to the devil. She should have walked away from that serpent the minute he said that. Why did Eve believe the serpent? and not God? It caused her to take of the apple and eat.
Remember, Eve was walking in the Light with God when she was deceived...YIKES, it's true!!!
BELIEVE ONLY what the Word of God says. Memorize it. Obey it. Forgive, turn the other cheek, pray, worship, etc.
---Donna on 11/17/09|
jim -**one quick question. then how was david koresh & jim jones able to deceive the people in jonestown & Waco tx.
I view your answer as probably much the truth. Intimidation is the tool most often used by cultists.
And we often hear on this forum accusations of being unscriptural in our viewpoint even on issues that are very peripheral to the basics of the faith.
Another technique that the devil uses is that we can do anything we wish since we are saved by grace alone. However, those that are in Christ, have the Holy Spirit working within them for their sanctification and eventual glorification. They cannot continue to sin.
---Lee1538 on 11/16/09|
one quick question. then how was david koresh & jim jones able to deceive the people in jonestown & Waco tx.
here is how they were able to deceive them, they used fear, shame, blame & guilt. and when you contradict them, they will start labeling you with all kinds of names. when you are conditioned to follow fear, shame, guilt & blame, you won't know the difference.
another tactic is they will say that 'are you calling god a liar?'
a good example is the pharisees who were insulted by the truth start labeling christ all kinds of names.
---jim on 11/16/09|
Eph. 4:14 Then we will no longer be little children, tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching, by human cunning with cleverness in the techniques of deceit.
The devil guides false teachers in teaching doctrine that causes many to be misled by every wind of teaching. One being that belief that once we are born again in Christ, that we no longer sin, thro scripture tells us the truth is not in us if we say we have no sin. 1 John 1:8
It has been the testimony of the saints of His church that we struggle with temptation and sin all our lives.
1Co 1:30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.
---Lee1538 on 11/15/09|
Yes that Is Right. He believes in one God & trembles but he has people believinng in 2-3 gods & or persons in a god-head. This Is where it all started, 2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15 when he gave to the man constantine who devised catholocism with it's idol-graven image worship the first trin-church & then it spread to catholocism's offspring churches.
---Lawrence on 11/15/09|
He is a liar and a tempter. He tries to get you to question the clear word from God, saying, "Did God say?" when knowing full well that God indeed did say. And he takes scripture out of context and misapplies it to get you to believe untruths. And he also takes pieces of scripture, and adds to it or takes away from it to fabricate falsehood, then presents it to you to mislead you. The devil tried to get Jesus to wrongly use God's power to feed himself, rather than rightly work for his food. The devil twisted scripture to tempt Jesus to commit suicide. And the devil tried to get Jesus to commit idolatry with the lie of giving to Almighty Jesus what was already his. Please Read- Matthew 4:1-11.
---Eloy on 11/15/09|
What are the tricks of the Devil?
The greatest trick Satan has pulled out of his sordid hat is the trinity doctrine.
---David8318 on 11/15/09|
The devil likes to distribute confusion, division, and strife. He makes things that are bad seem appealing. He will do anything it takes to get your mind off of the Lord. He can appear as an angel of light and lead you on a road of destruction that seems right. Just as you think you are growing in Christ, He likes to jump in so do not be discouraged if he is harassing you as it could be that you are actually on to something good in the Lord that he wants to prohibit.
---jody on 11/15/09|
One of the main tricks of the devil is to massage our natural man. Such as telling those who are failing to answer the wooing of the Holy Spirit now now it is not necessary for you to become saved at this time because you have plenty of time. Mankind likes to procrastinate and that is perfectly all right with the devil. Natural man is led to believe that he doesn't need to make a decision he doesn't have to make a decision and consequently he lives in kind of the misty, mythical, maybe it'll happen, kind of world to his great detriment. Stronger than great detriment that kind of living leads to a burning hell!!!!
---mima on 11/15/09|
Have you felt "someone" tap you on the shoulder from behind and when you turn around there is no one there? Kinda spooky, eh? Or how about you heard someone call out your name, your turned around and no one is there? Or you saw someone at the corner of your eye and when you turned, no one? How high is your fear level when you walk alone through a haunted house or through a dark forest late at night? The mind is Satan's playground, fooling even your five senses - making you believe in things that are not there and making you believe in things that are there (as in miracles).
---Steveng on 11/14/09|
Yes Sissy he has many tricks.
Discouragement, jelousy, malice, hate etc., he is crafty in all areas.
Scripture says he believes in One God & trembles. The thing that gets me about this scripture is, he believes in One God trembles, But, he has people believing in so called 2-3 god's & or persons in a god-head idea. Yes even churches with salvation plans, once saved always saved, no works salvation, you dont have to be baptized to be saved you must be to be in my church, the sinners prayer etc. These are such Lies he's gave to people.
---Lawrence on 11/14/09|
I can give you one right off the bat. God tells you something and Satan, yuk, says "God didn't say that", and he contradicts God....Can get you in trouble! Satan can set you up, too. Ambush you.
---catherine on 11/14/09|
What are the tricks of the devil?
He can duplicate many of the miracles found in the Bible such as we have seen with Moses in Egypt with Pharaoh.
One thing he can do is to duplicate some of the spiritual gifts found in 1 Corinthians 12.
Spiritual gifts should edify the church and change the recipient in a positive way, however, some who for instance have claimed to speak in tongues live lives that are anything but Christian. All too many have been found guilty of gross sexual immorality.
And faith healers rake in money like robber barons. "Send me you seed faith money and watch your health & wealth increase."
---Lee1538 on 11/14/09|