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I Am Mad At God

I lost my wife seven months ago in a car accident. I was riding next to her when it happened so I feel responsible. Also I am on the brink of financial ruin and have been let down by a former church. Lately I've blamed and even been mad at God. Is this right?

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Janze, Jesus died for his children that desire to be with him, namely, for the repentant. "Jesus has made of One Blood All Nations Of Mankind for to dwell upon all the face of the earth", therefore since all mankind came from Adam, Jesus died for the descendants of Adam which are desirous to be restored to God.
---Eloy on 11/24/09


Eloy:

Please explain to me: for whom did Jesus die? And are those for whom He died the physical descendants of Adam?
---Janze on 11/23/09


Eloy ... Like MarkV I find it difficult to make you various statements fit together.

You have now confirmed that you have never sinned

If you have never sinned, what has Jesus done for you? You don't need Him as your Saviour.

But as Mark points out, you have previously been born again. Why were you born again ... if you had never sinned?

And then Mark recalls that you had to be born again a second time, because after the first time, you fell into sin again.

How can you say you have never sinned?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/23/09


You guessed right. He is god on earth. He mentioned once he was the light that Jesus saw while He was on the cross. Doesn't that tell you something? This must have happened when he was born again the second time. Because as he had told us, his first born again did not work, for he fell into sin. And if he fell into sin and he has been innocent 100% all the time, I suppose he forgot he was once a sinner. And if he says he wasn't then he didn't need to be born again once or twice. He would be like Mary, sinless as the RCC claim, yet when she talk to Jesus she called Him her Lord and her Savior. When only sinners are in need of a Savior.
---MarkV. on 11/23/09


Alan, there is no presumption in manifested truth. "A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Every tree that brings not forward good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten: for from the fruit the tree is known." -Jesus Christ. Matthew 7:18,19+ 12:33.
---Eloy on 11/22/09




Contrary to the world's false-saying, not all people are sinners, for there are two distinct kinds of people and not only one: witnessing there are the sinuous, and witnessing there are the righteous. This is one reason why Jesus made a heaven, and why he also made a hell. Please read my Discernment posting below.
---Eloy on 11/22/09


Eloy ... The question I asked was:

"Presumably you count yourself as being one of the 100% innocent, someone who has never sinned against God or your fellow men"

And you have answered "I am 100% innocent, even as every real born-again Christian is 100% innocent"

If you never sinned against God or your fellow men, there would have been no need for you to have been born again. Nor has Jesus done anything for you.

If you say that you have never sinned, you make yourself like Jesus, who NEVER sinned.
You would in fact be saying that, like Jesus, you are God.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/22/09


No, it's not RIGHT. But I can certainly understand it. In time we will all learn, those that are saved, what is the appropriate way of giving God our grievouses. The Bible tells us, [Paul] not to fly in God's face.
---catherine on 11/22/09


Alan, Indeed I am 100% innocent, even as every real born-again Christian is 100% innocent, and you will know us by the good fruits that we bear: likewise every real disobedient sinner is 100% guilty, and you will know them by the rotten fruits that they bear. Thank you Jesus for sending me to the lost, so that if they too may hear the gospel and may become saved.
---Eloy on 11/22/09


Don

the real truth is GOD Loves you. yes it is a sin to be angry a GOD and blame Him for all your problems but you need to forgive youself you lived and your wife didnot that IS NOT your fault but do not blame God let him grieve with you,Talk to HIM.
---Psalm_91 on 11/21/09




Eloy ... Presumably you count yourself as being one of the 100% innocent, someone who has never sinned against God or your fellow men.

What, then, has Jesus done for you?

Do you ever say "Thank you" to Him? If so, what for?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/21/09


Nana, seems now you are following me around as someone else did. Or are you her?
Your comments do not hurt my feelings as you might think, you are correct. He is exactly as I was. I was going to write it together with what I wrote but could not fit it in the space. I didn't take any responsibility. I blame her for everything just like Eloy. She had ruined my dreams. I never thought about her dreams. So I know what I am saying. Second, I was not saved. I was a Catholic who didn't know a thing about been born of God or the bible as many here. Didn't even own one. But through that tragety my wife and I were able to come to Christ, forgive each other and witness to thousands of couples, until my wife died.
---MarkV. on 11/21/09


Nana, The wedlock-breaker is responsible for her own sin, the faithful is not reponsible for someone elses adultery: likewise, the faithful is responsible for his own faithfulness, the adulteress is not responsible for someone elses faithfulness. "The same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed all. Even thus will it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Remember Lot's wife. I tell you in that night there will be two in one bed, the one will be taken, and the other will be left." Luke 17:29,30,32,34. Also, what cold showers for 20 years?
---Eloy on 11/21/09


Alan8566 of uk: If you are still single, i want u to know that God the perfect provider can give u another help-mate, but do not do it by yourself but let Christ do it for u.
---Adetunji on 11/21/09


"Eloy, the problem with you is that you don't want to take any responsibility. Most people where the same thing happens to them, go around telling everyone how innocent they are and how terrible their spouse was. Everything is the other persons fault. Never take some responsibility and always justifying their own actions. God puts them as spiritual leaders and they cannot handle their own responsibilities.
"

Like when you told the world that your suppossed wife kept you taking cold showers for some 20 years? That was not a fine painting of her or you for that matter.
---Nana on 11/21/09


Do we have right to question God? Even though how painful we feel we have to thank that God lends them to us as part of our life. Families...like wife, husbands, children, parents they are not permanently yours they are for God. If God will take them from us it is painful but consider how servant Job reacts when his sons, animals died and even himself covered with desease,

Job 1:21. And said, Naked came I out of my mothers womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away, blessed be the name of the LORD.

Isaih 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father, we are the clay, and thou our potter, and we all are the work of thy hand.
---sally on 11/21/09


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Alan, Scripture does not say all have sinned. Romans chapter 3 is comparing "the sinning Jew to the sinning NonJew", the passage is in not wrongly saying that all are sinners. You see, the sinning Jew forgets that breaking the Law and covenant makes them equal to the NonJew whom breaks the Law and covenant also. lit.Gk: "Even the righteousness of God by obeying Jesus Christ onto each and upon whosoever them obeying: seeing there is not a difference, as each sinned, indeed whoever lacking glory of God. To each declare at this time his righteousness: in his being he's just, and justifying whom of obedient in Jesus." Romans 3:22,23,26.
---Eloy on 11/21/09


Eloy, the only reason people are innocent in heaven is because Christ paid for their sin. They were not innocent on earth. They deserved justice but got mercy.
You were not innocent, and neither was your wife. But you are still mad at her because she ruined your dreams, it was all about you. And when you got sick and was born again, again, you continued worse then before. Two rebirths and no change. Get down from the holy seat you are sitting on and get back to reality. Be happy God gave you a wife and kids, and that they are living and healthy. Thank God for giving you breath in the mornings so that you can wake up. Otherwise you would be facing the real God of Scripture.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09


Eloy ... I don't think you have read what I wrote!

If you have never sinned, (as you seem to claim) you are innocent, and don't need Jesus.

But scripture says we have all sinned, and thus we are not innocent (except that Jesus has now rescued us, and we are counted as innocent) Being "counted as innocent", or "treated as if we are innocent", is not the same as "being innocent"

We all deserve punishment, but God will not punish us by separation from Him, not because we are innocent in our own right, but because Jesus was punished in our stead.

Jesus never sinned, so never deserved punishment. Yet God punished Him by separation and abandonment for ALL our sins.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/20/09


Part 1- Discernment: There are those born one time from Adam, and those born again from Christ: there are the cursed, the sinuous, the unregenerate, the worldly, the damned, the unholy, the proud, the fallen, the crooked, the separated, the carnale, the goats, the sons of darkness, the children of the devil, the brood of vipers, hypocrites, the liar, the unjust, the corrupt, the blemished, the sinner, wicked and slothful servant, the disobedient, the dissing, misjudger and faultfinder, the hardhearted and stiffnecked, the antiChrist, the evil tree, friend of the world and the enemy of God, the hated, God's fury and vengeance abides on them, marked with 666, the whited tomb, the dead, the burning tare, for hell's eternal torment in fire.
---Eloy on 11/20/09


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Part 2: There are those born one time from Adam, and those born again from Christ: there are the blessed, the righteous, the born-again Christian, the sanctified, the saved, the holy, the abased, the raised, the rightened, the reunited, the spiritual, the sheep, the sons of light, the chikdren of God, the harmless doves, saints, the truth-teller, the just, the clean, the perfect, the well-doer, good and faithful servant, the obedient, the agreeing, forgiver and helper, the softhearted and bowing necked, the proChrist, the good tree, hated of the world and friend of the Lord, the loved, God's mercy and lovingkindness abides on them, marked with 888, the temple of the Holy Ghost, the live, the shining wheat, for heaven's eternal joy in paradise.
---Eloy on 11/20/09


Alan, you are simply blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, for you call the innocent guilty, which is a lie. If, as you wrongly say, none is innocent, then none are in heaven and none more will enter into innocent heaven, but instead all are in hell and all will be cast into hell: but this is falsehood, for there is the wicked, AND ALSO THERE IS THE WHOLLY RIGHTEOUS. The saint is not the sinner, neither is the sheep the goat, nor yet the wheat is not the tare. But until you get saved you will believe whatsoever you desire, namely, that wrongly all are guilty as you yourself are guiilty. "Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"
---Eloy on 11/20/09


The truth is that Jesus died for sinners, But his death was to accomplish something. He broke the power of sin over those that sat in darkness, His payment of sin now makes us worthy to have Gods Spirit living in us. Now you can say you were a sinner, but to confess that now is to deny that you are a new creature. WE are to conform to his image, by regeneration of the Holy Spirit, WE are to have his mind and his mind cannot sin. WE are dead with him in baptism and resurrected in newness of life. A dead man does not sin he is dead to sin. WE should have power after the Holy Ghost has come upon us. If you do not, I suggest you seek the kingdom of God until you find it.
---exzucuh on 11/20/09


Eloy, the problem with you is that you don't want to take any responsibility. Most people where the same thing happens to them, go around telling everyone how innocent they are and how terrible their spouse was. Everything is the other persons fault. Never take some responsibility and always justifying their own actions. God puts them as spiritual leaders and they cannot handle their own responsibilities.
That would have been even accepted, but you brought the death of Christ on the Cross and even Job. We can even forget Job, but why Christ? How can you say you love Him and demean His death? How can you ever compare yourself to Him? You are nothing but a vessel of clay prepared for honor or dishonor.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09


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Eloy ... You misread me.

I did not say there are levels of innocence.

I said "no matter how innocent any Christian, or other, may feel him or herself to be, they are not as innocent as Jesus was"

None are innocent, so none deserve to be spared punishment.

But Jesus was innocent, so deserved no punishment, yet took all ours.

Were you ever punished at school for things you had done? Were you ever punished for things you had not done? Which hurt more?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/20/09


Eloy ... I agree that a person is either innocent or guilty ... but none is innocent.

You may regard yourself as innocent ... but you are not, because you needed to be saved. Unless you say you NEVER sinned.

Like every other human, you have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That's biblical. So you deserve punishment, just as I do.

But Jesus never sinned so He did not deserve any punishment.

He took upon His shoulders all the punishment that was due to you, to me, to Atheist, to Jerry, to MarkV ... everyone on this world who has ever been & whoever will be. That's a huge amount of punishment and all undeserved.

And you say you suffering is greater than His?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/20/09


Alan, again, you have your pet beliefs which are the same as the worlds, but your beliefs are not Biblbically correct. There are not levels of innocence, for a soul is either innocent or else a soul is guilty, and there is no half innocence just like one is either pregnant or else not but no one is able to be only a little bit pregnant. Ever since rthe beginning, there were the righteous like Abel and the wicked like Cain, the one was 100 percent innocent and the other was 100 percent guilty. And these two kinds of people still exist today, you have the the righteous from God which will be gathered into his garner into heaven, and you have the wicked from the devil which will be gathered and cast into the firey furnace into hell.
---Eloy on 11/20/09


Eloy ... no matter how innocent any Christian, or other, may feel him or herself to be, they are not as innocent as Jesus was. So the injustice of what they suffer is not as great as the "injustice" that Jesus willingly suffered on our behalf.

And none of them have taken on the punishment for the sins of the whole world. Jesus did that. Have you been punished in that way?

And Jesus's suffering was not just temporal (of this world) which is all we have suffered, but was much greater than that, because it was separation & abandoned, forsaken by His own Father God. As He cried "My God, why hast thou forsaken me" Have you ever been forsaken by God?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/19/09


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Sorry but noone is 100% innocent. We all make the world the horrible place it is today. Everyone bears the blame equally - not just the 'worst' criminals.

Anyone who believes they are innocent will undoubtable feel they are mistreated by God and deserve better. They will probably even hate Him for it.

When we see little children who act in such a way, we refer to them as... "spoiled rotten little brats"
---JackB on 11/19/09


Alan, many Christians know what it is like to be blamed and pay an unspeakable price when we are 100 percent innocent, that is called injustice and sin. And as long as we are in this sinful world the enemy will cause us to suffer violence, they will assault us, hurt us, molest us, malign us, throw us in their prisons, kidnap our children, extort our money, destroy our lives, etc. But the All-seeing God will have perfect vengeance against every nation that foolishly raises their clay hand against his children. Mess with God's kids, and you mess with your Creator God who will give 1000 upon 1000 hells upon your head, and no one will be exempt from his wrath.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


Eloy ... I am not saying Jesus is still suffering, and I am not talking about our temporal physical or mental pain & illnesses, or stresses & disappointments of our lives.

I am talking about the spiritual suffering of Jesus being abandoned on the Cross, and separated from His Father, (""My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?") to bear all the punishment for me, and you and all other humans.

Eloy ... did Jesus suffer to save you?

If He did, how could He save you by suffering less than you? ...or save me, by suffering less than me? or save the whole world, by suffering less than the whole world?

If He did not suffer to save you, what did or has He done for you?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/19/09


Alan, again, like many others, your personal beliefs do not coordinate with the truth. Jesus the 100 percent well physician can be touched with the feeling of a patient's infirmities, but nonetheless he is not that suffering patient, but instead he is the standing 100 percent well physician that can heal the nonstanding unwell patient.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


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Tommy, thank you for the advice. I let it go for a long time and then I see him answering the same way. His never forgiven his wife, and never stops comparing his life to that of Christ and Job put together and it burns me to hear him say such things. And then talk real holy and the love of Christ, what a hypocrite. I don't think anyone has ever effect me in anyway as Eloy. For I never heard of such a person saying what he says and calls himself saved and loving Christ. What kind of person would cut down the person the say they love so much? The same thing many husbands do about their wives when they are among friends. They cut them down to get a laugh at their expense. No difference whatsoever.
---MarkV. on 11/19/09


Eloy ... What you say about others suffering things that Jesus did not suffer is true.

But I have suffered things that you have not suffered. Does that mean that I have suffered "more than" you?

There are those who have suffered physically more than Jesus suffered, who have been beaten and tortured for longer.

But if you think that His suffereing on our behalf was only that phgysical suffereing, you have misunderstood it. How could such limited suffering have been sufficient punishment for the sins of everyone?

He took the whole of God's punishment on all of us, and that included total separation and abandonment by His Father (not his father) ... no man has ever suffered that, or as much as that.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/19/09


Alan, Cease your amazement and read the clear scriptures which detail precisely what Jesus has suffered, and also the things that Jesus has not suffered. For I detail the scriptures bearing witness to the truth that I preach, yet many inaccurately attach ideas and emotions to Jesus which simply are not valid. Believe me I understand how people in love want to imagine the greatest degrees of suffering for Jesus, but there are things which he simply did not physically suffer. For example, Jesus was killed at 32 years of age, so with the resurrection aside it would be inaccurate to say that he lived and suffered all the weaknesses common to mankind in old age, when in fact he did not, because his earthly life was cut off at the young age of 32.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


It's okay. Go through all of your feelings. Don't bottle anything up.
---amand6348 on 11/18/09


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Alan & Mark V, don't spend too much time "debating" with ELOY about the suffering issue. He thinks he has suffered more than anybody else and that no one understands his suffering. Just pray for him that he overcome this "marytyr complex".
Don, just remeber that God is a loving God and He will be there for you when you need to find comfort that only he can give. I am sorry to hear of your loss, but don't let this come between you and God.
---tommy3007 on 11/18/09


Eloy ... All I can do is to stand amazed at your claim that:

"the truth is that millions upon millions of souls have suffered and are still literally suffering far more than my Jesus has suffered"
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/18/09


MarkV, you do not know me, nor do you know my Father who sent me. It takes 2 people to come together and make a marriage union, but indeed it only takes 1 person to break wedlock defiling the marriage bed and destroy the marriage.
---Eloy on 11/18/09


Eloy, I can see that you went through a painful experience when your wife left you. Maybe you just didn't take any responsibility for your breakup and thought it was all her fault. Since you are never wrong and you say, sinless.
What Jesus endured for all of us no one will ever know, not even you. You had even said that Jesus never had to clean a dirty toilet, as if that was such a hard job. He did more then that. He took more then you will ever endure in your life. You are still here, you didn't have to die. You eat and enjoy what God gives you. You even mentioned you suffered more the Job, and Job's family died. You wife is still around and so are you kids.
Take some responsibility, and stop making the death of Christ meaningless.
---MarkV. on 11/18/09


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Alan, again, that is your own personal belief, for the truth is that millions upon millions of souls have suffered and are still literally suffering far more than my Jesus has suffered. Vicariously by his Holy Spirit Jesus can feel our pains and sufferings and understand them, but he is not the one physically down here still upon the earth personally suffering, instead my Jesus is physically up in glory busy building a place for us. Please Read- John 14:2,3.
---Eloy on 11/17/09


MarkV, I have the truth, not ideologies of the truth. The Truth, and my inbreeding of it will always be the same. The gospel never changes, but people's pet beliefs of the gospel change. I will never forfeit truth for the imaginations of humans. People need to conform to the truth, and not vice versa.
---Eloy on 11/17/09


Don --So many awful things happening at once, it's not surprising you feel as you do! A lot of people have been mad at God for various reasons. God can take it..but you hurt only yourself by it.

It was an accident...you didn't intend it to happen, did you? No. God didn't cause it either. And don't blame yourself for surviving when she didn't.
Horrible things happen to many people. Now is the time to turn TOWARD God, not AWAY from Him. The truth is, men will dissapoint you. Sometimes God is the only friend you have. If you know of sins you've commited, ask God to forgive you (that's why Jesus came). Turn your life with all these problems over to Him. You'll find "He is a very present help in trouble" if you allow Him to be.
---Donna66 on 11/17/09


Donna-- May I ask a favor? Could you add a little something to your name when you post here...some numbers or letters? It might make it easier to distinguish between more than one Donna. Thanks.
---Donna66 on 11/17/09


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Thank you Mark,

Eloy ... there are different kinds of suffering. Mark reminds us that you have suffered from your wife leaving you and taking the children.

I have not suffered that, but have suffered the loss of my wife to cancer at too young an age.

In one way, your hurt is greater than mine, but in another way, my hurt is greater than yours.

And my wife's hurt was greater still, because hse suffered a painful death and the extinguishment of so many plans for helping others, Yet her hurt is less than mine, as she has not been left, as I have, without a helpmeet.

Jesus is the only one who has taken on Himself God's punishment of all mankind, and that is the greatest pain of all.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/17/09


Don..I'm sorry to read about your loss & for your pain. Pls. do not feel resp. The bible tells us that not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from your Father's will (Matt. 10:29 NKJV) It is never right to blame God for anything, but rather to understand that we ourselves have misunderstood God. He loves you. The Lord is near to those who have a broken heart(Psa. 34:18 NKJV). Remember..He so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son (John 3:16 NKJV) The book of Job shows us that Job was a righteous man. He suffered much loss, even wished he was never born, but in it all he never once blamed God. Turn to God in your pain & turn your blame into worship for the One who loves you. He longs to hear from you and to heal you.
---Lori on 11/17/09


Brother Don,
Remember Job!
Stand strong for the Lord!
Remember that God is a present help in time of trouble.(Psalm 46:1)
He sticks closer than a brother.(Prov.18:24)
These may be a test of your faith in God, don't let him down!
I am going through tests and trials right now but I know this....
Isaiah 40:30-31 (King James Version)
Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength, they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run, and not be weary, and they shall walk, and not faint.
---miche3754 on 11/17/09


Nefidela on 11/17/09 wrote:

Well who are we ???
that we shouldn't receive bad from God.
We are sinful, fleshly, rebellious followers that think God is their to serve us ,
when in truth we are here to serve God.

Nefidela, part of what you are saying is the truth. We go to God with a laundry list of prayer requests and expect Him to fulfill them. Yet the bible tells us, NOT MY WILL, but THINE be done.

But you are very wrong when you say bad comes from God. The bible says, EVERY GOOD THING COMES DOWN FROM THE FATHER OF LIGHT WHOM THERE IS NO VARIATION OR SHIFTING SHADOW. God doesn't cause evil, satan does. You should study that in the bible.
---Donna on 11/17/09


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The Lord is waiting for you to come to Him. HE can ease your pain. Job lost all things from no fault of his, but God later restored double unto him. I had blamed God once before in my life but later realised I was stupid after my grandmother analysed very clearly to me how i was the architect of my pain. Analyse and pray you will find out that God is not the source of your discomfort, it may be others and or yourself.
---Adetunji on 11/17/09


Don, you should be mad at the devil. Jesus told us, The thief (satan) cometh to steal, kill and destroy (our lives).

Did you call out the name of Jesus when the car accident happened? Did you lay hands on her in Jesus name and say, "Rise and be healed in the name of Jesus." Did you pray at the accident for her to live?

God is in the business of raising people from the dead, why woud he kill someone? He doesn't-but satan does.

Get yoked to Jesus, not to a church, that's why you have been let down. As far as financial ruin goes, do you tithe? Do you pay your bills on time each month or do you live on credit?
---Donna on 11/17/09


Well who are we ???

that we shouldn't receive bad from God.

We are sinful, fleshly, rebellious followers that think God is their to serve us ,

when in truth we are here to serve God !!!
---Nefidela on 11/17/09


Don i guess you mean you are upset about what is happening and asking God why?

God understands your situation and is not surprised at your reaction.

He longs to draw you closer to himself and bring you to the other side gloriously

so use this time to talk a lot to God be frank and offload every burden... you will see the result at the end of it all...

May the grace of the Lord keep you during these hard times. Amen
---patie3447 on 11/17/09


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Following tragic events to Moses, David, Daniel, Jonah and Jesus something really good followed. It could be that it will happen to you too. I hope so.
---Dan1724 on 11/17/09


Eloy, Alan is correct. You have not changed at all. Your prior views about Christ still remains. He was just not good enough in His death to compare to your troubles in life. Your position that you suffered more then Christ because your wife left you with your kids is pretty reduculous. You call her actions kidnapping when in fact they were her kids also. Your pain with a broken heart compare to the whipping and brutal torcher of Christ. And that is not counting that you are still here and never died for anyone, while He died for the world. That's why I believe you are wrong on your theology. You put yourself above Him and His death.
---MarkV. on 11/17/09


Alan, as in the past, that is your own personal belief, but nonetheless it is not true knowledge. For it is true and recorded that millions of souls have physically suffered things that Christ has not physically suffered, for example my Jesus has never had a broken bone, has never suffered chronic and fatal diseases, has never had children to be kidnapped, etc.
---Eloy on 11/17/09


Don,my condolences on Your loss,
it is better to be mad at Your friend
and tell them about it ,than to lose
Your friend,by not telling them about it.
God is Your friend,be His...
---kevin on 11/16/09


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Eloy ... I know Jesus suffered more than any other human has ever suffered, because He took on all our sins, past present and future, and took all the blame although guiltless. He also suffered by being, as He cried, abandoned by God at that time. Only by suffering that, could He could take the full punishment for us ... total separation from God.

Whether "mad" is the right term, I don't know, but His feeling of abandonment is similar (except that it was far greater because of His blamelessness) to that feeling we have sometimes of God letting us down, or allowing bad things happen tom us.

Whatever ... God does understand .. let no-one feel guilty at getting angry with God at times.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/16/09


I dont think Jesus was mad at the Father.

How does a sinless man know what being completely seperated from the Father would feel like?

Jesus knew what the Father required Him to do, but maybe not the depths of the misery that he would experience being completely seperated from the Love of God. To Christ at that moment, He may have felt God had forsaken him. Its normal for us to feel distant from the Father when we sin, this was something Jesus never experienced until the Father placed our sin on Him.
---JackB on 11/16/09


Alan, To me "mad at" means angry, and Jesus never shook his fist at God in anger. But I can see people using the term "mad at" for to mean "saddened". He was greatly sorrowful because he is holy, and now he was going to be made sin whom himself knew no sin, and was going to be condemned for sin. That is equal to asking you whom are innocent, to become a guilty thief, liar, prostitute, blasphemer, murderer, and every single filthy sin know to man, and then be manhandled and beaten and cursed and spit on and horribly executed for it, all the while knowing that you are completely innocent.
---Eloy on 11/16/09


Jody, Darline, Eloy, and many others are right. Jesus was angry many times, in death on the cross I suppose he felt what Eloy said and when He got angry at the temple as Darline has said. All that proofs is that Jesus was completely human, just like anyone of us. He had the same feeling we have but never sinful. Otherwise He was not exempt from anything we possess. He knew what the plan was, He knew what He had to do. He could have stopped the wiping, and torcher, and even the crucifixion, but He was submissive to the Father even unto death.
---MarkV. on 11/16/09


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Eloy ... Jesus was "sorrowful" at having his life taken away from him ... and He knew the reason and the plan.

It's OK then for us to be "sorrowful" if God takes our spouses, children, jobs, health, freedom ... without apparent cause.

It depends on what one means by "mad at"
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/16/09


Jesus anger when he cleared the Temple of Moneychangers and vendors Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the Temple of God,and cast out all them that bought and sold in the Temple,and overthrew the tables of the Moneychangers,and the seats of them that sold doves. Wouldn't it appear Jesus also got mad when the fig tree didn't have fruit on it Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way,he came to it and found nothing thereon,but leaves on it,he said unto it,Let no fruit grow on thee,henceforth and forever.and presently the fig tree withered away. God's anger against Israel when they made and worshiped idols Leviticus 25:25-also in fury-. Ephesians 4:26 Be angry and sin not,let not the Sun go down upon your wrath. Have anger don't keep it.
---Darlene_1 on 11/16/09


No it is not right to be mad at God and it will eventually destroy you completely. If you want to be healed, praise him and surrender to him. God is always right in every decision he makes. If you cannot be faithful to God when things are wrong, you will never serve him when things go well. If you will glorify him now and show him you are faithful he will bless you and become your friend because he will know you have put all your trust in him and he will put his trust in you.
---exzucuh on 11/16/09


Alan, Jesus was not mad at God, but sorrowful: because Jesus was holy and completely innocent but was going to take sin upon himself and be put to death which is the cost of sin. lit.Gk: "Eli, Eli, lama sa bachthani, this being, My God, My God, how that me utterly ravaged." Matthew 27:46. "Eloi, Eloi, lima sa bachthani, that being translated, Light, Light, how onto me utterly ravaged." Mark 15:34. lit.Heb: "My God, my God, how have you scapegoated me, and are far from my salvation, the words of my groaning." Psalm 22:1.
---Eloy on 11/16/09


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I won't say it's right but I will say it's okay to be mad at God but not to blame Him because this was not His doing in no way. God doesn't give us more than we can handle. I can't and I won't even dare say I know what you are going through because I don't. But I will say whenever you do get the chance. Ask God for forgivness just in case it is wrong to be mad at Him. I pray that God will heal you, restore you and bring you out all the hardaches you may be experiencing. And most of all that He will give you peace and guide you to your next destination. And may the rest of your life be filled with God's favor.
---Sharon on 11/15/09


Don't blame or get mad at God - this is murder to God - plus God is good, He did not do these things to you. Rejoice, praise God, He has something better for you. In the midst of problems, God is trying to grow you, so you can do what He has destined for you to do. When you praise God in the midst of problems, He starts working them out and giving you the answers. I know it sounds silly and even hard, but God ALWAYS causes us to triumph and get the victory, when we focus on Him, not our problems. Think of David - Golith was a BIG problem, but David did not show God how big Golith was, he showed Golith how BIG God was.
---Leslie on 11/15/09


I'm so sorry for your loss. Alan8566 of UK is so right. After Jesus voiced his feelings to his Father he gave his whole will to God and obeyed his Father to fullfil his purpose for being alive on Earth and for dying. When humans are hurting from one thing we very often are weak within ourselves and subject to be hurt even more by each hard thing which comes our way. Remember Satan comes to steal,kill,and destroy and the best time to do that is when we are dealing with pain in life,becaause we have our guard down. Forgive,God,he is your help not hurt,yourself,the church,and pray God to forgive you. Try to find things to praise God for,holding onto anger destroys you,praise lifts your spirit. Go to the Light of Christ not turn away.
---Darlene_1 on 11/15/09


No, anger does not work the righteousness of God. It will not bring back your departed wife, it will not make a former church raise you up, and it will not bring you closer to God. The enemy delights in using hurts we experience to turn them into hates, because if he can get you farther away from God which is your source of strength and blesssings and goodness then you will become weak and he can easily destroy you. When Jesus's diciples were working to catch fish all day long and got sqwat, he said, go and throw your net out onto the other side, and when they did they obtained a great catch and blessings. So cast your burdens upon Jesus because he cares for you, and you can probably find another church which will help you, and not let you down.
---Eloy on 11/15/09


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Anger is an ok emotion. But don't let it fester in you and cause sin.

God may not answer our prayers in the way we want Him to, but His answers are always the best. This may be hard for you to accept right now, but it is nevertheless true.

Go to God, tell Him how angry you are at Him. He can take it. Then, He will comfort you and give you peace.
---Sandra on 11/15/09


Well be encouraged God is not mad at you!
---mima on 11/15/09


Im very sorry for your loss.

No I dont believe anger towards God is wrong. Even Moses and David became angry towards God.

One thing I do know is that God desires truth at the inwardmost places. He knows of your anger and your hurt. He wants you to trust Him with that. Dont hide in fear because youre afraid of the consequences of your anger. Every time in life Ive been angry with God and expressed that to Him He has always been there to help me through it.

He is our LOVING heavenly Father. What Father doesnt want to know when his children are hurt and angry?
---JackB on 11/15/09


You are dealing with so very much loss and guilt. I understand how you could be overwhelmed with rage. God also understands and will comfort you as you seek some peace with Him. I know it is hard, but if you try to honestly pray to God and follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, you will get through this difficult time and grow stronger in the Lord. Keep your eyes and dependency upon Him and not on circumstances,people, or feelings.It is true that you will need to FORGIVE and the first forgiveness begins with you.You need to come to terms with feelings of guilt surrounding the car accident and other issues. God is there to help you with forgiving yourself and the ones you are offended by. He is also your provider and will not let you go hungry.:)
---jody on 11/15/09


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Even Jesus got mad at God: "My God why have you forsaken me?"
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/15/09


First let me give my heartfelt condolences,it may not be right ,but not unatural,atleast as far as the flesh is concerned
---tom2 on 11/14/09


Well, *if* you were somehow responsible for her death, this would show you can't put your trust in your own self. And Jesus says, "let him deny himself". But depend only on God, or we can bring major trouble on ourselves. If we do, admit this and give it to God for forgiveness and how we can learn how to submit to Him, in trust, no matter what. And if your money goes down, this shows we can not afford to depend on money, but only the LORD. And churches are people, too. Only with God can we do what is right. So, you are in a perfect position to make a new beginning with God and not let this world's nonsense or your own failure bluff you into giving up hope. Start fresh.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/14/09


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