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Mother Is A Confirmed Atheist

My mother is a confirmed atheist. She often brings up the idea that she believes God is unloving because she thinks the forefathers who believed in God of creation and never knew Jesus must go to hell. Can someone put scripture together for me to show her that they were saved too?

Moderator - Tell her to show you in the Bible as the Bible doesn't make that statement.

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People who do not read with a spiritual understanding of the scriptures are always the most difficult to persuade they get clips of scriptures in their youth and them speak for the entire book without a shred of understanding.

most people who don't believe take every ounce of strength out of your soul and being just to get them on the first rung of the ladder, I hope your ready for the battle.
---Carla on 1/28/10


Atheist: You've always been entertaining, but lately you've become downright wierd.

FYI: A proper name is generally capitalized, but an adjective form of the same word is not. Hence, your religion, "Darwinism," is capitalized, but "darwinistic" is not. See the difference?
---jerry6593 on 12/15/09


Jerry if you are going to tell me what religion I belong to can't you put me in one that gets a capital letter? Everyone else gets a captial letter for their religion.

How about New World Darwinian LeftAtheoticCoastals? You could write our histories too and say we split from the RightAtheoticCoastals because they wouldn't eat quiche with Brie and radicchio.

That sounds so cool?
---atheist on 12/14/09


Atheist: "Besides, after reading the Bible people can [sic] even decide of Hell is eternal burning torture or just death."

That's because, rather than reading it objectively, they read it through the paradigm of their preconceived belief systems. Isn't that what atheists like you do? How is it that atheists can't agree on life origins or the working principles or their darwinistic religion?

I think that you are just a petulant child - constantly seeking attention.
---jerry6593 on 12/14/09


Steven G, I hate to take the joy you are enjoying, but for forty seven years you have been wrong. I have heard all of your answers to topics and you are wrong in most of them. What I find is that, those who bash churches are nowhere near knowing the gospel themselves. So they judge the churches by their knowledge of what is truth. I might not be a pastor or scholar, but I do know that you, and two others, three people who bash all the churches are wrong in so many topics. The first thing you should do is, to find out whether the god you worship is the real God of Scripture. Your two prophets who don't speak and that you follow might be demons who are leading you in the wrong direction, because there is bad churches, but you missed the good ones.
---MarkV. on 12/14/09




MarkV: "Steven G, I know what is good for you because... So I do know what is good for you God."

You only have worldly knowledge of what the bible says, but have not reached the point of understanding spiritual matters. You are in good company, though, because most people on these blogs only have worldly knowledge of scripture. If this were not so, then all christians would be one in the spirit - not debating every verse and doctrine in the bible.

For your information, I do fellowship with dozens of people every day and meditate on God's word every day for the past forty seven years.

You surely take the joy out of being a christian. How's your vine?
---Steveng on 12/13/09


Steven G, I know what is good for you because God said it was, He told us to fellowship with each other, and if He told us that must be correct. So I do know what is good for you God.
---MarkV. on 12/13/09


Jerry,

"One should not base their religion, and hence their salvation, on an atheist's interpretation of the Bible. That's like going to Hitler for counselling on religious tolerance."

Where else could one find an objective interpretation?

You read it, with your belief system, and suggest that Obama should have been aborted based on what you think he believes. Even if that was meant to be a 'joke', it shows your lack of moral and ethical consistency to make it.

Besides, after reading the Bible people can even decide of Hell is eternal burning torture or just death. If you all can agree on that, the rest is clearly beyond you.
---atheist on 12/13/09


MarkV: "Steven G, good for you... So your excuses are meaningless."

What do you know what is good for me?
---Steveng on 12/12/09


Steven G, good for you that you attend a church even if it is a home church. You will still find tares in home churches though. You cannot escape the tares though you won't know who they are since you cannot see their hearts. You might be with all tares and you will not know. Knowledge of the truth does not make you a Child of God. God makes you a child of God. All genuine new christians will know the truth even if they are in a bad church. The Holy Spirit will guide them unto all truth. If they fail in their faith, it is not that the Holy Spirit failed but that the conversion was not a true conversion. Because when God saves someone, He does a perfect job. So your excuses are meaningless.
---MarkV. on 12/12/09




One should not base their religion, and hence their salvation, on an atheist's interpretation of the Bible. That's like going to Hitler for counselling on religious tolerance.
---jerry6593 on 12/12/09


MarkV: "They don't make athiest. Which is something you would have agreed with since you don't like churches."

There are two types of churches today - denominational "churches" and Christ's church. Denominational "churches" are a product of Satan, who is the father of lies and confustion, and all manmade. If all denominational "churches" (each having their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible) are suppose to be in unity, why is there no unity among them? Newly born christians would be confused about which church to join.

I attend not denominational "churches," but home churches. The same churches early christians attended.
---Steveng on 12/11/09


Thanks MarkV for being spiritual in your post. It was dead accurate and You're, right, I did engage in some church bashing.
---Pastor_Jim on 12/11/09


Steven G, Jim's answer was correct concerning Jesus in the Old Testament and the passages he gave are correct. Also, when he said, he told Jody her mom was wrong in thinking that, that is also correct. He was not been mean or disrespectful because he was not talking to her mom but answering Jody's question.
Where I believe he was wrong was when he said,
"Probably became an athiest due to all the Fake Churches she sees. I don't blame her."
No one becomes an athiest because of any church. All are athiest from the fall of Adam, they are spiritually dead. What bad churches do, is not give the gospel truth. They don't make athiest. Which is something you would have agreed with since you don't like churches.
---MarkV. on 12/11/09


Pastor_Jim: "Then your point is futile!"

I pray you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 12/10/09


Then your point is futile!
---Pastor_Jim on 12/9/09


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PASTOR_JIM: "StevenG, you totally misread what I said."

No I didn't. I strongly stand my ground on what I said.
---Steveng on 12/8/09


StevenG,
you totally misread what I said. Which makes me think other might have as well. I was not referring to her mothers attitude or behavior.

I was referring to this..

JODY SAID: "She often brings up the idea that she believes God is unloving because she thinks the forefathers who believed in God of creation and never knew Jesus must go to hell."

To that I told Jody that her mother was wrong in thinking that and then gave Jody the proof she needed to give to her mom.

We only have 125 words to get a message across.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09


PASTOR_JIM: "Your Mother is wrong."

Very comforting words. Study Scripture about relationships among people. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "encourag," and "comfort."
---Steveng on 12/7/09


mima, you have misunderstood "works." Being good without faith will not get a person into heaven. But being good with faith will get you into heaven. Without works, faith is dead.
---Steveng on 12/4/09


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Dear friend. I am sorry to hear of your mom's beliefs. each to his own but she needs the true word of God in her before it is too late. Excuses will not be acceptable on the Judgement Day. Each person will have a chance to hear and believe the gospel before Jesus comes. You may be able to help your mom turn her life around. My heart and prayers go out to you, beloved. I would hate to feel my mom is on her way to HELL. and she will end in Hell if she does not receive Jesus as her Lord and Saviour. Share with her: Romans 10:9,St John 3:16 for starters and the entire book of Galatians in the new testament.
---Robyn on 12/4/09


Your Mother is wrong.

Probably became an athiest due to all the Fake Churches she sees. I don't blame her.

Christ Physically appeared before Abraham in Gen14:18-20. This was confirmed by Jesus in John:8:58. Also in Hebrews.

Also many of the Patriarchs, Prophets and Writers had visions of Christ as well.
Anyway Christ also visited the dead and all the OT believers were saved by Messiah.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/3/09


In Luke 16, the Lord Jesus talked about Father Abraham & Lazarus in place of comfort. In Matthew 17, Moses & Elijah met with the Lord Jesus, they did not come from Hell to meet with Him.
---Adetunji on 12/2/09


No amount of scriputures is going to make her a believer. Just continue to love her and pray for her. Never force God on anyone. God gives all of us choices in life and He doesn't force Himself on us and we shouldn't do it to others. I know you love and care a great deal what happens to your mother and I admire you for that but your best bet is to stay prayerful and give her to God. God can do all things on His own Timing. May God continue to bring peace to you and yours.
---Mrs_Michael on 11/30/09


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In any case, the saved daughter in heaven will get to look down on her unsaved mother writhing in hell for all eternity. How will she feel about that?
---Curious.one on 11/20/09


mima,
And you here give a perfect example of wrongdoing. I have not spoken of works of the law.
Isaiah 1:16-17: "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil, Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."

Romans 2:7-8: "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, ..."

You've chosen to be ignorant as those who've wounded jody's mom's conscience, luckily not her heart!
Your gospel is not watered down, it is non existent.
---Nana on 11/19/09


---Nana wrote
"Because jody's mom have such tender heart for the "forefathers" and the ancient people who believed in the God of creation, she will someday speak face to face with God and she will have her place with Him."

Nana here you give a perfect description of works!

Bible has this to say about works!

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

"Not of works, lest any man should boast."
---mima on 11/18/09


well half the battle is won if she believes there is a God ,she really is not a true athiest.
---tom2 on 11/18/09


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1 Corinthians 13:12: "For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part, but then shall I know even as also I am known."
Because jody's mom have such tender heart for the "forefathers" and the ancient people who believed in the God of creation, she will someday speak face to face with God and she will have her place with Him.
---Nana on 11/17/09


Well, I suppose that I stated my blog question in a confusing manner. My mother claims to be an atheist and when she will speak of God, it is always in the sense of "If there is a God then,,,". The problem is that she is very ill and 80yrs old now and I pray desperately for her salvation. Everyone else in our household believe in Jesus but she will usually not even discuss Christianity or things of God. While her medical condition has caused some cognitive changes (confusion, memory loss, mild personality change), she is still very alert and able to understand what is being said to her. I think she is nearing the end of her life and it tares me up to think of her perishing due to lack of faith in Christ. Please pray for her.
---jody on 11/16/09


Dear heavenly Father please send your ministering spirits to Jody's mother's spirit that she might come to a saving knowledge and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not your will that any should perish. And we are certain that if we pray in your will, you will hear us and we have the petition we have made to you. This prayer is based on your word and I look forward to seeing you glorify yourself in answering this prayer. And I thank you very much for doing so.
May all glory and honor be yours.
Thank you for the privilege of praying amen.
---mima on 11/16/09


Dear heavenly Father please send your ministering spirits to Jody's mother's spirit that she might come to a saving knowledge and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not your will that any should perish. And we are certain that if we pray in your will, you will hear us and we have the petition we have made to you. This prayer is based on your word and I look forward to seeing you glorify yourself in answering this prayer. And I thank you very much for doing so.
May all glory and honor be yours.
Thank you for the privilege of praying amen.
---mima on 11/16/09


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Your mother is assuming that all souls before Christ's sacrifice were condemned, but that is falsehood. There were the righteous and the wicked in both testaments, in the Levitical Mosaic O.T. Law of B.C. before Christ, and in the Judaic Messianic N.T. Law of A.D. anno Domini in the annual of the Lord.
---Eloy on 11/16/09


She is not a CONFIRMED "aetheist" if she believes that God exists. Do not shortchange her, her objection is based on LOVE (God is LOVE).

Devotion is not about our "love" for humanity, it's about love FOR God (do you want to "draw near"?).

Hebrews 11:6
"must believe that he exists".

("FAITH FOR faith", Romans 1:17)

"rewards those who seek him".

The Israelites had to repeatedly make sacrifices for cleansing from sin, but now that Jesus became the FINAL cleansing, "SIN" no longer has any spiritual meaning. The Israelites didn't know it (because Jesus had not yet come) and never had Jesus as their sabbath rest (there is no more sabbath DAY).
---more_excellent_way on 11/15/09


Continued from my previous post...

Hebrews 4:3
"'They shall never enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world".

Hebrews 10:2
"they would no longer have any consciousness of sin".

God revealed Himself IN ENTIRETY to humanity in the doctrine of Christ, but His "works" (John 6:28 and 9:3) were already finished...

Hebrews 6:1
"Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ".

Now we have God IN ENTIRETY/completeness...

Colossians 2:9
"For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily".

2 John 1:9
"he who abides in the doctrine has BOTH the Father and the Son".
---more_excellent_way on 11/15/09


Those before Jesus who believed in God and obeyed his laws and ordinances would not go to hell. People can't live under the First Covenant for God,saved by following rules of God to remove the sins of the people and be judged by the Second or New Covenant,Christ as the sin offering. The Jewish Priests would take a Goat and put all the sins of the people and send it into the wildeness Leviticus 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat,shall be presented live before the Lord,to make an atonement with him,and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
---Darlene_1 on 11/15/09


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How can someone who believes in God's existence, albeit unloving, be an atheist? I thought atheists did not believe that God exists at all. Maybe I am ignorant of what atheism is about.
---Wondering on 11/15/09


Galatians 3:5-7 shows me that Abraham a forefather was saved, and we are his children if we are of faith.
Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, and Jude 14-15 tell us about Enoch who was taken by God, because he walked with God by faith.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/15/09


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