JACKB. is correct on this 1stCliff.
Abraham was lying. He paid the price for it. He also did not trust the Holy Spirit as well and paid the price for that too.
According to The Jewish Oral Tradition, Sara spent an entire 2yrs in the Harem. While Abraham lived in agony not knowing what was happening to his wife.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09|
JackB, Abraham wasn't lying, he was "misdirecting the enemy" Abimelek already had a harem!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/09|
As is not telling the whole truth.
Like when Abraham insisted Sara tell people that she was his sister instead of his wife.
Although she was blood related she was STILL his wife.
This is one of the men that people use as an example to say was justified because he followed Gods commandments and gained favor with God by those things. Bzzzzt!
---JackB on 12/3/09|
Alan of UK -- Thank You for telling me what you remember..reassures me I may be only approaching senility, not insanity. My apologies to Cluny for confusing him with his cat!
---Donna66 on 11/21/09|
Donna66 ... I remember Cluny's previous explanation of his blogname ... that it is the name of his female cat.
That's probably why you thought Cluny the blogger was female when it was only his cat!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/20/09|
\\I was sure you responded to someones's inquiry (who also thought you were a male)saying you were female and "Cluny" was a nickname you'd had for many years.\\
Cluny is the name of my very cute and affectionate calico kitty.
She herself was named for a famous monastery in France.
---Cluny on 11/19/09|
Cluny -- Thanks for your response and thanks for straightening me out.
The blogs don't go back far enough for me to check. From the beginning I was curious about you...assumed you were a man...wondered about the name "Cluny". I was sure you responded to someones's inquiry (who also thought you were a male)saying you were female and "Cluny" was a nickname you'd had for many years.
I was disappointed (not at your gender)but that there wasn't some more interesting derivation for the name "cluny"!
I don't know how, but I got it wrong. Sorry.
---Donna66 on 11/19/09|
"I made a fake email and emailed him afew times asking those questions. was that lying?"---Casey on 11/18/09
That depends. Anonymity is not lying. Pretending you are someone you are not, is.
If the name you are using is possibly known, or you know that it can be associated with another by the person you are addressing, it is not only a lie, it is fraud and/or theft, and is completely uncalled for.
---Josef on 11/19/09|
\\For example, you cannot be both a female with the nickname "Cluny" and an orthodox monk for 30 yrs. I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you have claimed both. Will you please clarify this, so I won't think you are lying?\\
I never said I was a woman.
Where did you get that idea, Donna?
---Cluny on 11/19/09|
Why would you want to pretend you were someone else?
---amand6348 on 11/18/09|
When Abraham was in danger ,because Abimelech wanted Sarah for his harem,(apparently drop-dead-gorgeous at 65) (remember she was pregnant at 90) He said she's my sister (half truth is a whole lie)
Actually he was "misdirecting the enemy" and not a flat out lie! altho a pretense was intended!
Lies are evil, misdirecting the enemy is not!
---1st_cliff on 11/18/09|
With a separate email, you aren't conning your pastor into something he wouldn't do for anyone anyway. You're not pretending to be a specific person (i.e. identity theft), you're just choosing to be anonymous.
People here use nicknames that don't say say who they are, and even if they use real names, that doesn't identify them without their last names. This is only a problem if they deliberate choose a nickname used by someone else.
The Bible has several examples of this. The prophet Nathan told a story where he omitted that it was about David, to get David to condemn himself (1 Samuel 12). In the New Testament, we "entertain angels unawares" (Hebrews 13:12) - angels don't reveal who they are either.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/09|
Ok sorry this is really confusing. I have known my pastor for a lot of years and I have a lot of stuoid questions about God and stuff that i should have known and I put up the front of knowing. I know I should have just asked, but instead I made a fake email and emailed him afew times asking those questions. was that lying? Pretending I was someone else?
---Casey on 11/18/09|
I guess that anything that is not true would be a lie. I do not know if you are referencing "playing" or "acting" or "deceiving". But bottom line is that if it is not true in the purest sense, then it is untrue which causes it to be a lie. I have no idea what you are talking about, though:)
---jody on 11/17/09|
If you pass yourself off to others as someone you are not, that is lying.
For example, you cannot be both a female with the nickname "Cluny" and an orthodox monk for 30 yrs. I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you have claimed both. Will you please clarify this, so I won't think you are lying?
---Donna66 on 11/17/09|
Do you mean something like "I have this friend who..." when you really mean yourself? Because the prophet Nathan did this same exact thing when he asked David about a question of law - because the person who he was asking about was David himself, but didn't want David to realize this. So, presumably, it's OK in such a situation.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/09|
Alright this is gonna be really specific. What if you want to ask someone you are pretty close to a question he/she would think little of you for asking? So instead you change your name so they wont know it is you. But they are a pastor and this is the kind of thing they do all the time. Is that wrong/sinful?
---casey on 11/17/09|
Theft has traditionally involved taking something that doesn't belong to you, thus depriving the rightful owner of its use (causing them inconvenience, or worse). In England, horse theft used to be punishable by death - if a man used a horse in his livelihood, and you took his horse, he would lose his livelihood and likely starve to death, so it could be tantamount to murder.
Most people who commit identity theft today do so to obtain goods and services (and usually money) on false pretenses - thus stealing from vendors, lenders, and ultimately from the identity theft victim when the defrauded companies go after him. Not only that, but it also deprives him of his reputation. This is fraud of a particularly heinous type.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/09|
yes, but . . .
While it may be wrong for me to pretend I am somebody I am not . . . do I know who I really am (o: God knows me better than I do. There are times when, without trying, I can find myself being different than usual . . . more cheerful, personable, interested in people . . . I "might" be sinning, if I stop myself from being like this LOLOL
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/16/09|
It depends on why you are doing this.
Are you trying to deceive someone to gain unfair advantage or information or goods to which you are not entitled?
Or are you acting in a play, where normally intelligent people would know that all they were seeing was fiction?
---Cluny on 11/16/09|
Is pretending you are someone else lying?
Yes,I would say so,your leading someone else to believe your someone your not.
That itself is a lie
---Gabby on 11/16/09|
is identity theft stealing?
---kevin on 11/16/09|