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Barna's Revolution Book...Has anyone else read George Barna's book REVOLUTION? Any reactions or comments?

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 ---Dru on 11/18/09
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---Donna66 on 4/6/10 in one group, the husband of one couple and the wife of another, became enamored with one another. There was infidelity, two marriages destroyed, children hurt and the faith of new believers shaken.

We needed someone with authority to rescue the group, counsel the couples in question and guide members who were left in spiritual confusion.

I don't believe, where the Bible study is held or who the overseer is was the problem.
I have seen what you are talking about happen twice, both in church, both involving the Pastor.


---michael_e on 7/5/10


I have not read the book. Nor do I know anything about it. But I wanted to comment on "cell groups" or home meetings for praise, prayer and Bible study.

I've belonged to several, and was greatly blessed by them. I DO think they need some oversight by someone who is not so closely associated with the group members (like a pastor).
I say this because in one group, the husband of one couple and the wife of another, became enamored with one another. There was infidelity, two marriages destroyed, children hurt and the faith of new believers shaken.

We needed someone with authority to rescue the group, counsel the couples in question and guide members who were left in spiritual confusion.
---Donna66 on 4/6/10


I think it is always good to belong to a church and then have the home meeting as extra time to spend with God. I was in a home Bible study and praise-prayer meeting for several years. We did not function as part of the church but we did go by the Bible in what traspired in those meetings. I wouldn't have a meeting which was considered the"churches" to oversee. In the home meeting I was in we studied the Bible,but the main focus was to pray for the sick,needs of others and praise God,plus we had fellowship time afterward. I was blessed to be asked to lead praise and worship. Those years brought real Spiritual growth and were a great blessing to me. Very important,we prayed for God to be in control and lead us in his will.
---Darlene_1 on 4/3/10


Dru, I believe home churches are very good for many reasons. Our Church had cells where brothers and sisters could meet, study, pray and worship God. There was about 30 cells. One was at my house. I use to get about 35 people at my house. Cells are good because you tend to reach people easier, and their needs faster then the big Church. Another thing is that those that show up at the cells are mainly those who are committed to Christ and are willing to spend the time to learn and study and pray together. Each cell had a home pastor
At my house I had a swim pool and the children would look forward to getting in for half an hour while we got together and fellowship, talking about each others needs.
---MarkV. on 11/25/09


Dru, I don't know what your "no" referred to.

I agree with your definition that the "organic, home, or cell" movement is focused more on what was happening in the New Testament and early church before edifices took over, rather than what is wrong with the institutional church.

However, if people understand what is wrong with the institutional church, they will understand why the instutitional church seems so lacking, and why they are seeking fellowship and "one-anothering" that doesn't happen efficiently or often at the institutional church.

If you are describing George's book, it sounds a lot like his and Frank's book, Pagan Christianity. I highly recommend it.
---Rod4Him on 11/22/09




No, a main point of Barna's book is that these people are leaving in search of a place where they can be more actively engaged and feel that they are really serving Christ, rather than sitting as spectators. They also crave more intense Christian community and focused time in the Word rather than faddish programs and a "show." They are finding these opportunities in house churches, microchurches, cell groups, etc. I don't think the overall movement is about faultfinding as much as trying a new church format.
---Dru on 11/22/09


I agree Donna,

It's kinda like, am I saved to something (Christ), or am I saved from something? So I am not misunderstood, yes, we are saved from sin, but more importantly, I focus on Christ rather than focusing on what I am saved from.

In the same way, do I "leave" the institutional church, or do I seek spiritual growth and fellowship at a home church?
---Rod4Him on 11/21/09


I can certainly understand why people may be moving out of larger (esp. "mega" churches) IF they are moving into a smaller
more spontaneous group. Such a group may challenge them more spiritually and give them more freedom for a variety of unique ministries.

If the move away from institutionalized church is merely a result of fault-finding,I believe it would not be productive spiritually.
---Donna66 on 11/20/09


It would seem that Steveng has been leading a Revolution after all...
---Nana on 11/21/09


I wonder how many of those moving away from traditional churches are now practicing religion more on the lines of Charamastics or Pentecostals. There has been a move for a long time in some Sourthern Baptist to have a more outwardly expression of the Spiritual activities of singing more upbeat songs and even raising hands to praise God during service,also Praise and Worship Music. People who want to experience a closer walk with God may have decided they will never get it where they are at.
---Darlene1 on 11/20/09




Dru,I am not surprised of the suggested trend, but I am surprised at the data of almost 7% of the total population of America are departing the institutional church.

Along the same thinking, I am reading a book "reimagining the church" by Frank Viola, who says that he has been attending and involved in, what he calls the "organic church" for 20 years. I don't know where all these people are if they are at "home churches." I don't hear about them. 20 million people are a lot of people.

Outward appearences appear like people are going to Mega churches instead of local smaller churches.

Interesting data...frankly, I hope George's data is true.
---Rod4Him on 11/20/09


Barna is a well-known pollster/statistician whose research indicated a stunning trend in American Christianity that the media (and the general culture) has not yet noticed - a mass exodus from traditional churches by devout evangelicals (20 million, he estimates), who are now getting their fellowship from house churches, small groups, cell groups, microchurches, etc. Contrary to previous waves of departures from churches, these earnest people were the backbone of their churches, not the peripheral people or laggards. Hes not just advocating home groups, but documenting a major trend happening behind the scenes American Christianity is starting to resemble the huge underground house church movement in China, at least structurally.
---Dru on 11/20/09


I haven't read this book by George Barna, but I am reading a book, Pagan Christianity, that he co-authored with Frank Viola.

I assume this book would have a similar thread.

I am half way through the book, Pagan Christianity, and highly recommend it, if for no other reason so one has another perspective of the institutional church and christianity.
---Rod4Him on 11/19/09


Moderator -- I suggest you read the book. I haven't read it THOROUGHLY so my summary might be inaccurate.
He seems to suggest that many of the faults of modern American churches (which he describes well) can be avoided by moving away from the church and developing a deeper personal relationship with the Lord, led by His guidance and the Bible alone.
The author sees this leading to some sort of "Revolution" in Christianity.He claims that by the year 2025,

"Only about one third of the population will rely upon the local congregation .... one third will do so through alternative forms of faith-based community, and one third will realize their faith through the media, the arts, and other cultural institutions."
---Donna66 on 11/19/09


Donna,

What is his thesis and what is his cure? I have not read the book. Thanks.
---Moderator on 11/18/09


I've read parts of it. So my view may not be giving it proper credit. His observation about Churches in America seems accurate, but His "cure" seems slightly self-centered to me... sort of like the "self-actualizing" preoccupation of recent secular society.

Phl 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

1Cr 12:14-15 For the body is not one member, but many.
If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?

1Cr 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
---Donna66 on 11/18/09


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Dru,

What is the bottomline to the book?
---Moderator on 11/18/09


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