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 ---Alan on 11/18/09
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Jerry, my understanding is the SDA's actually teach that the falling stars, earthquakes, and moon turning to blood all occurred in the 1800's. If that is not correct, please correct this as many do believe this is what SDA's believe. Maybe it was that the rapture was suppose to occur at that time, but didn't???
---kathr4453 on 12/3/09


"Isn't it also part of your belief that the rapture took place in the 1800's??"
---kathr4453 on 12/2/09

Absolutely not!

We believe only the Bible. The Bible gives only one mention of an event where the newly-resurrected dead and the righteous living are "caught up" together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. That event will (future) occur concurrently with the second coming of Christ. There is no "secret" rapture. That doctrine was part of the futurist doctrine invented by Francisco Ribera at the Council of Trent as part of the Catholic counterreformation.
---jerry6593 on 12/3/09


a remnant is always a remnant whether it is a pice of carpet or a piece of cloth or a nation of jews it always a piece of something that was complete, the body of christ will be a complete body not a part, of a body, had god not saved a remnant of the nation in elijahs time, elijah would have been the last. If he hadn't saved a remnant in our time, the nation of israel would not exist
---michael_e on 12/2/09


Alan, as Steven-rem has said, you are a part of the Remnant if you are a genuine believer. The Remnant are the minority of humanity that has remained faithful to the Lord in every age since the fall of Adam. In Elijah's day it was seven thousand people who had not been corrupted by Baal worship (1 kings 19:18, Romans 11:1-5). In Isaiah's day it was 'very small' (Isaiah 1:9). Today it is composed of members of the true Church (Romans 11:4,5). In the tribulation it will be the 144,000 Israelites (Rev. 7:3-8). A remnant will enter the Kingdom age (Zech. 12:6-13:9).
---MarkV. on 12/2/09


Rom 11:13 I speak to you Gentiles,.
(Paul speaking to gentiles about the nation of israel) 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them 16.. and if the root (Christ) be holy, so are the branches(believing remnant)17. And if some of the branches(unbelieving israel) be broken off..thou.. wild olive tree, wert graffed in among(not to) them, and with them partakest of the root..vs20..because of unbelief they were broken off,vs25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until(time word) the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Gentiles are grafted into christ not to israel
---michael_e on 12/2/09




Romans 11:24
When paul speaks of being grafted in, what exactly are the non jews grafted into? are they grafted into ISRAEL ot THE CHURCH?
If they are grafted into israel, then the church is israel, if they are grafted into the church, then israel is the church. We are speaking spiritually since literal israel are the branches that are cut off.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

Romans 15:27 It hath pleased them verily, and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
---Francis on 12/2/09


Lee1538, so do Mormons and JW's, Armstrongism, Reformed etc. The list goes on and on.

So many today think they become a JEW when saved, but then decide what Jewish Laws apply to them. SOME want ALL the Blessings of OT Israel without the cursings, and others take both.

I find it sad that even though Scripture TELLS us we are no longer Jew or Gentile but a New Creature under the Law of Liberty...they just can't see it or hear it!

This is what I believe to be the great APOSTASY ..a total disregard for the teachings of the CHURCH/the Heavenly Body of Christ. In this too, they absolutely deny redemption through the Blood, believing they can lose their salvation by not keeping the law.
Galatians 2:20-21 is a WARNING!
---kathr4453 on 12/2/09


Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
If you are of the remnant youll know it, that is one of the reasons Christ is called a surety and you will know...

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Youll look around at all the professing christians and the world in "awe" that God has set his love on you and not another. That Christ is the redeemer of his people and not another and in wonderment by the Spirit being humbled as so many profess their faith makes the differences when it is Christ faithfulness that made "the" differences "IT IS FINISHED"
---steven-rem7000 on 12/2/09


when the body of christ is filled and taken out of the way, and christ deals with the nation of israel again, the 144,000 jews will come from the believing remnant.
---michael_e on 12/2/09


All Bible students know that the promised land and Israel cannot be separated. So how do the replacement theology people fit together with the promised land? I have never seen this question addressed.
---mima on 12/2/09




I would not know what the SDA believes I never heard their doctrines. I only know what the Holy Spirit reveals to me through the scriptures. I never study the doctrines of men I disprove them it is my Ministry given to me By God.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


Does not the SDA believe all the promises and blessings made to Israel have been replaced by the church? A concept referred to as Replacement Theology.

And is that not why the SDA believes themselves to be the true Jews and thus obedience to OT covenant laws and practices not fulfilled by Christ while on earth?

As such they can refer to themselves as the remnant based upon OT prophecies.
---Lee1538 on 12/2/09


Romans 11:5 Even so then (AT THIS PRESENT TIME) also there is a REMNANT according to the election of grace.

At this present time: Paul was talking about Christian Jews that accepted Christ, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IN JERUSALEM.

Romans 11:23 And they also, (IF THEY ABIDE NOT STILL IN UNBELIEF), shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

If the Jews that were cut off abide not in unbelief and believe on Jesus they will be grafted back in, just like the ones he called the remnant

THERE IS ONLY ONE SALVATION and no other way to God.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


Rom11:1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people?(Israel) God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars, and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. (the body of christ will be a complete body not a remnant)
---michael_e on 12/2/09


kathr4453: The tribulation of the Christian Church is NOT only future. Jerry***


Jerry, I absolutely understand that ALL Christians enter the Kingdom of God through much tribulation, but that Kingdom we enter is not the earthly Kingdom Israel the Nation will enter at the end of the great tribulation unlike anything the world has ever known.


Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/09


Jerry, that I believe is SDA's understanding. Isn't it also part of your belief that the rapture took place in the 1800's?? Reformed believed it took place in 70AD? Maybe I'm wrong here.

The problem with both is this:

During WWII with persecution of Jews etc, many believed Hitler was anti-christ and that a rapture would take place any moment. It didn't. Many Christians became bitter.

IF they, as well as your understanding only understood that Israel has to be brought back to the Land FIRST, of which they are TODAY, before any such prophecy can be fulfilled, not only to the Church but to End Times and the Great Tribulation which is about ISRAEL, not the Church.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/09


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kathr4453: The tribulation of the Christian Church is NOT only future. Have you studied the history of the persecution of God's people during the dark ages? For a period of 1260 years, from the ascendency of the Bishop of Rome in 538 AD to the capture of the Pope in 1798 by Napoleon's General Bertherier (the deadly wound that was healed), the papacy killed somewhere between 50 and 150 million Christians (ref: Waldenses, Albigenses, etc.). Note: the Hebrew calendar has 30 days/month and 360 days/year, and 1260 days = 42 months x 30 days = 3 1/2 years x 360 days. It is the same time prophecy in Dan and Rev, and the same beast, little horn, man of sin, antichrist power.
---jerry6593 on 12/2/09


Jerry,

When it speaks of the woman fleeing into the wilderness for 1,260 days, it is referring to the future time called the tribulation period. Twelve hundred sixty days is 42 months of 30 days each. 42 months is 3 1/2 years. Halfway through the tribulation period, the beast will set an image of himself up in the temple that will be built in Jerusalem. This is the abomination that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. When the beast does this, he breaks the peace pact he made with Israel, and the nation has to flee for safety (also see Matthew 24, Daniel 9:27). This is the picture of the woman fleeing into the wilderness.

Revelation 12:12-17 speaks of how the devil will make war against Israel, trying to destroy her.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/09


exzucuh -//Eusibus Pamphili wrote about the destruction of Jerusalem and how the Christians and their church was destroyed. How the ones that escaped went into all of the known world seeking refuge.

According to the Story of Christianity by Justo Gonzalez the leadership at the Jerusalem church was James, half brother of Jesus, who was killed on orders of the High Priest.

The Jerusalem church then moved to Pella under the leadership of Simeon, another relative of Jesus. He was terminated by the Romans during the Jewish rebellion. That largely ended the leadership of the Jerusalem church which largely followed in the Mosaic traditions, the buck being passed onto to the Gentile church, more influenced the teaching of Paul.
---Lee1538 on 12/1/09


ex 0n 12-1 its a well known fact that the jewish temple or synagogue was destroyed in 70ad, but where do you get that the jewish believers dispersed into christian churches?
---michael_e on 12/1/09


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"Jerry6593 and that prophecy IS that the WOMAN IS ISRAEL, not the Church." ---kathr4453 on 11/30/09

Sorry Kat, but the scripture does not say that. Israel was God's people. The church is God's people. Do you think that only Israel is God's remnant people in the end times?

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
---jerry6593 on 12/1/09


---michael_e on 11/30/09 Eusibus Pamphili wrote about the destruction of Jerusalem and how the Christians and their church was destroyed. How the ones that escaped went into all of the known world seeking refuge.
---exzucuh on 12/1/09


//Dear friend, did you know that just as it happened during Christs time, His peoples mind ruled by in part bad doctrine, so it has happened to His people today!

All the more reason to seek the spiritual gifts, particularly the one that deals with discernment. Php 1:9 And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment,...


Many today are like what I was, thinking myself to be a Christians but believing in a Jesus somewhere up in the sky that we need only live a good moral life, not realizing that one need be born again spiritually.

However, newly born again Christians are not mature and need the teaching ministry of Godly leaders.
---Lee1538 on 11/30/09


ex where did you ever read that the jew went to the gentile church after 70ad. the temple was destroyed in 70ad not the church, every body knows the church is not a building, plus your scripture has nothing to do with a jew turning into a gentile or vice-versa
---michael_e on 11/30/09


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How many times do I have to post a scripture?

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:(BUT HE IS A JEW) which is one (INWARDLY), and circumcision is that of the heart, (IN THE SPIRIT), and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.
---exzucuh on 11/30/09


We have entered a time of Godly Judgment beginning in the House of God. 1 Peter 2:17.

During this time the elect is being plucked out from the many lies of the world and being restored to the unleavened truth of His Word.

Dear friend, did you know that just as it happened during Christs time, His peoples mind ruled by in part bad doctrine, so it has happened to His people today!

And just as it happened during the Catholic reign, ruling the minds of Gods people with in part bad doctrine, so it has happened today. Leaders either meaning well or knowingly deceiving Gods people, even in our day!

After, all is there anything new under sun? Read Eccl. 1:9 and 3:15
---Paul9594 on 11/30/09


The only problem Trav is YOU are NOT Ephraim.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09

Well you may be correct. Never claimed it once. I wouldn't/couldn't argue. Only GOD knows.
It would not does not change truth whether I am or not. One thing I am though....is aware of Ephraim. And the prophecy's concerning.
Those who change scripture to mean what they need it too.....have a larger problem. Not the ones who haven't been told. But, like you the ones who have and seeth at it.
---Trav on 11/30/09


The only problem Trav is YOU are NOT Ephraim.

Exzucuh, Ephesians tells us the CHURCH is no longer Jew no longer Gentile. No where does it say a Gentile becomes a Jew. The problem with the Lawyers who came to Galatia were CHRISTIAN Jews, but actually believed Gentiles became Jews and had to practice Jewish tradition. Paul begins with saying anyone who preaches any OTHER Gospel(the Gospel of the Kingdom as they were doing when Gentiles will in fact be in submission to Jews) and not the GOSPEL HE PREACHES(the Gospel of the MYSTERY), and is ACCURSED. Paul ends Galatians LOUDLY SAYING the only thing that matters is the NEW CREATURE. The New Creature is CRUCIFIED with Christ...and our History(THE CHURCH)being Jew or Gentile ENDED at Calvary.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09


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new covenant with the nation of israel:
Ez.37:19 Say unto them(Israel) Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them (israel) one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.20.And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21.And say unto them(israel) Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen(gentiles), whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them(israel) into their own land:
---michael_e on 11/30/09


when you learn how to "rightly divide the word of truth II tim. 2:15, it's all truth so must be divided, then you will see the difference in the individual jew and the nation of israel as a whole
---michael_e on 11/29/09

I find a glimmer of truth in your statement above. The two national houses, were separated in scripture. Two sticks. To be reunited. Jer 31:31,Heb8:8.

New Covenant.
Ez 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
---Trav on 11/30/09


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.---jerry6593 on 11/30/09

Jerry6593 and that prophecy IS that the WOMAN IS ISRAEL, not the Church.

Refer to Joseph's dream in Genesis. The 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel as was Joseph's dream, The sun and moon, also Joseph's dream, refer to Jacob and Rachel.

Matthew 2:18
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Herod was a type of anti-christ!
---kathr4453 on 11/30/09


Where is the scripture
---michael_e on 11/30/09


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---kathr4453: Good analogy to the remnant of a bolt of cloth. Like a bolt of cloth is the same throughout, the "remnant" church is "identical" in practice and doctrine to that of Jesus and the first disciples.

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Bible definition of the remnant church found in Rev 12:17 and Rev 19:10:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10 .... for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Thus, the remnant church will "keep the commandments of God" and have "the spirit of prophecy."
---jerry6593 on 11/30/09


---michael_e on 11/29/09 They did not mention it but Jesus did, they did not have this revelation, Paul revealed it to them and it took many years for them to accept it. The remnant of Jews that you are talking about was the first church that was started in Jerusalem.
Salvation was to the Jew first then that Church was destroyed in 70 ad the survivors went to the gentile churches and the Jewish church disappeared because it was not necessary.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09


when you learn how to "rightly divide the word of truth II tim. 2:15, it's all truth so must be divided, then you will see the difference in the individual jew and the nation of israel as a whole
---michael_e on 11/29/09


There are no Jews are gentiles in Christ.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

All Christians are Jews in Christ.
---exzucuh on 11/29/09


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looks like kathr4453 is one of few that has any idea of the difference in the remnant (believing israel, called the little flock) and the body of christ called christians. Does any body have a clue why Jesus in his earthly ministry never mentions the body of christ? Why do peter, james, john and jude never metion the body of christ? Why would the apostle to the gentiles, paul be the only one that ever mentions the body of christ? The bible answers these questions but you have to study to find them.
---michael_e on 11/29/09


Alan, the only way you would be part of a remnant is if you are a JEW. Gentiles are not a remnant of the Jews. The Remnant you see clearly in Paul's teaching in Romans 11 is a remnant of Israel. Paul is saying that God has not done away with Israel. As a nation YES they did reject Him. However Paul states " I am a Jew...I'm not cast away....

Alan, think of a remnant of a piece of material. The remnant piece is an end piece off the original bolt of fabric...that's what a remnant is.

Go into a fabric store and ask if they have any remnants. They will point you to a table of left over end pieces of the original bolt of fabric.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/09


Through Jesus Christ, Gods gift of GRACE is given so we, HIS BODY/the CHURCH may spiritually GROW UP unto the fulness and stature of Jesus Christ.
HOWEVER: Michael_e is correct. The church is not a remnant of anything..it's ONE NEW MAN. The BODY/BRIDE of Christ. Bone of His Bone flesh of His Flesh...

Many will be saved during the great trib, but will not be the BRIDE/BODY of Christ. The Bride will be raptured and then ALL ISRAEL the NATION, the remnant will be delivered and saved when Jesus returns and fulfills His role as KING of the Jews, the Son of David...not the Bridegroom of the Jews. READ ZECHARIAH 12-14!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/28/09


I am not calling Gods wrath on anyone, I do not have that authority. I am only obeying the Gospel to reveal it as I do have authority to do that and we are also commanded. Most of you do not even know the Gospel or your calling.

Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


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exzucuh - //Or Pauls Post?Acts 23:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?

Those that call down the wrath of God onto other Christians whom God loves, are really practicing a form of witchcraft.

We truly need not to listen to those who obviously are fools unto themselves, those who view themselves as spiritually superior to others.

Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
---Lee1538 on 11/27/09


Micheal e, you have many problems with your answer concerning the remnant if you believe that it is not talking about the body of Christ as you said in 11/23/09.
First: The body of Christ consist of all true believers who are baptized into one body by the Spirit. If this Israel you talk about will be saved, they too would be a part of the body of Christ. If they are not, then what body do they belong to? There is no different bodies mentioned in Scripture.
Check the answer from Steven-reem, that is the correct answer.
---MarkV. on 11/26/09


Was it as christian as Jesus's post

Matthew 15:7-8 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Or Pauls Post?Acts 23:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?
---exzucuh on 11/25/09


very christian post ez
---michael_e on 11/24/09


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Believe and obey him and it won't matter.
---larry on 11/24/09


---michael_e on 11/24/09 You would get more out of popular mechanics than the bible, first of all you have to have the Holy Spirit to understand scripture.John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You cannot see the Spiritual truth and I cannot discuss this with you any more. 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
---exzucuh on 11/24/09


Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

if you are with the remnant, you are the Isrel of God.
---steven-rem7000 on 11/24/09


sorry, i should have put who i was answering, which was ez and adamant water baptism. As for noah and baptism, my point was water baptism in noah's time did about the same good as it does in the present dispensation. As for moses baptism, it was dry land
---michael_e on 11/24/09


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Sorry Michael e, got your name wrong/
---MarkV. on 11/24/09


michelle, what does Noah have to do with Baptism? How do you connect baptism to the story of Noah? No where that I see is baptism mentioned. Are you saying that everywhere there is water, they are getting baptized?
---MarkV. on 11/24/09


The gospel(good news) to Noah
Heb 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Who was water baptised in this Gospel?
I Cor.1 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea," 2."And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea," (Who got wet, the good guys or the bad guys?)
---michael_e on 11/24/09


1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Peter was warning that only a remnant was saved because they did not believe the Ark was necessary for their salvation, His example was water baptism and how it is our way to a clean conscience by obeying the gospel to be baptized.
---exzucuh on 11/24/09


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the remnant never refers to the body of Christ always to the nation of Israel Rom. 9:27 Rom.11:4. The same as the Body of Christ refers to the Christian, be it jew or gentile, but not to Israel as a nation
---michael_e on 11/23/09


Sally, that was a great answer. Keep up the good work. peace
---MarkV. on 11/23/09


IF you are "saved" by the blood of Jesus
you are in the remnant.
God saves those who His Holy Spirit draws by His saving grace
---june on 11/22/09


Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel,

Isaih 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return:

clearly jews they are the elect from the foundation of the world scattered all over the world today.
---sally on 11/20/09

You've done what few do Sally. Witnessing verses. You've also posted what we've been taught in error,jews=all Israel. Consider. Look at scripture you posted. It says ISRAEL. Israel is composed of THIRTEEN names. Judah/Jews...are only one. When you add what you do not consider...then Scripture is understood more thoroughly. Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8, is two parties 13 playas.
---Trav on 11/22/09


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Jerry - //many are called but few are chosen is the parable of the sower some ...but a remnant do not bow to this world but remain faithful to the next. even if it means loss of everything. there house is built on the rock and will not fall. ---

Matthew 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

One could hardly view that Word that brought forth much fruit as being a remnant. Of course those that strive to earn their salvation via works such as being morally ethical or observing certain OT laws will indeed be a remnant because they will not benefit from the blood shed by Christ on the Cross.

Have to agree with my friend Cluny on this one.
---Lee1538 on 11/22/09


\\Those denominations that like to point to themselves as being the remnant of God really lack good exegetics of Scirpture. They really want to point to themselves as being someone special in the eyes of God among other Christians.\\

This is EXACTLY what I've been pointing out, Lee1538.
---Cluny on 11/21/09


many are called but few are chosen is the parable of the sower some hear the message but the troubles and pressures of this world make there love grow cold and the become lukewarm. but a remnant do not bow to this world but remain faithful to the next. even if it means loss of everything. there house is built on the rock and will not fall.
---jerry54 on 11/21/09


\\"it's ignorance to think we are automatically included because we obey Him, love Him and love our neighbor, etc., "Many are called but FEW are CHOSEN.""\\

In other words, this person holds to the utter INSECURITY of the believer...

that God IS a respecter of persons after all, He honors the faith and prayer of some people and NOT of others.
---Cluny on 11/21/09


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The only places in the New Testament that mention the 'remnant' are Acts 15:17, Romans 9:27 & Romans 11:15. In each case, the remnant speaks only of Israel, not of the Gentiles.

Those denominations that like to point to themselves as being the remnant of God really lack good exegetics of Scirpture. They really want to point to themselves as being someone special in the eyes of God among other Christians. They believe that God has entrusted them with more truth than others but in fact, they are truly lacking and often preach 'another gospel'.
---Lee1538 on 11/21/09


Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

There are no more Jews of the flesh as Paul made it clear, only born Again Jews, When a believers comes to Jesus he is changed, transformed,into a spiritual Jew and of the house of Judah. He said not in letter meaning
Judaism cannot save only believing on Gods Son. Salvation is to the Jew first but they must convert. There is no longer Jew or Greek
we are made one blood in Jesus.
---exzucuh on 11/21/09


anon,
Darlene1 is not advocating any foolishness. All she stated is sound Biblical doctrine.

"it's ignorance to think we are automatically included because we obey Him, love Him and love our neighbor, etc., "Many are called but FEW are CHOSEN.""

It is ignorance to even begin to try and make sense of that mumbo-jumbo with a side of fries that you just dished out.
---Nana on 11/21/09


Remnant is the word used for Elect, or Save person. Everywhere scattered all over the world. Take this verse

Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Isaih 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

Eze 6:8 Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries.

The remnants are not only clearly jews they are the elect from the foundation of the world scattered all over the world today.
---sally on 11/20/09


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You people that do not like the word remnant could it be that you are some of those that preach everybody will be saved no one will be lost. Have you ever read the parable of the sower or the 10 virgins, the wheat and the tares, How about two will be in the field one will be taken the other will be left. Any way you look at it the ones that make it will be a remnant.
---exzucuh on 11/20/09


Darlene1 wrote: All we have to do to be part of God's family is to keep his commandments, love God and love your neighhbor, and follow the testimony of Jesus.

Darlene, what about becomming the Bride of Christ? What about when God said, I will betroth you to me?

What about Matthew 25 where there were 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish virgins who didn't have oil - We SHOULD care about who is and who may not be part of the Bride of Christ - it's ignorance to think we are automatically included because we obey Him, love Him and love our neighbor, etc., "Many are called but FEW are CHOSEN."
---anon on 11/20/09


"Remnant" is not a word used by the Lord Jesus Christ anywhere in the Gospels.
---Cluny on 11/20/09


Exzucuh, that was a clear explanation of what the remnant is. All who are a part of the body of Christ are the remnant. Whether in the past age, this age, or the age to come. The remnant are those who stay loyal to Christ. The overcomers, the Church.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09


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Amen, Darlene 1
We may or may not be part of the "remnant", but it's certainly not something central to the Christian life.
---Donna66 on 11/19/09


Who cares about being labeled part of a Remnant. I'm part of God's family and where we fit into that family is clear,we all are to serve our Lord in some way and whatever we need to be for that,God will see that we are perfect for our position. Theres one important thing and that is to live a life pleasing to God aiming to one day be in heaven with him. All we have to do to be part of God's family is to keep his commandments, love God and love your neighhbor, and follow the testimony of Jesus. That's also the discription of what the Remnant in Revelations does. We as Christians must not be led into focusing on one thing,that's a trick of the Devil and it's purpose is to keep us from being productive by keeping our focus off God and His work.
---Darlene_1 on 11/19/09


Alan, ask God if you are. He is the ONLY one who can assure you and know you are.

Many of us want to believe we are part of His Remnant, but until I began asking the Lord if I am, I just wasn't sure. And to be honest, if the bible tells us there is no one righteous, not even one, then wouldn't it be God's place to let us know if we are or aren't?

If there's no answer from heaven, start asking, "What can I do to become part of your remnant?"
---Donna on 11/19/09


The Tares are not part of the remnant they have the Mark of the beast and will be gathered and burned. The wheat are the true church, they are a remnant that by faith crossed river into the kingdom of God by believing that Jesus is the Son of God and being baptized in his name for the remission of their sins and have received God's Holy Spirit and by that Spirit been born again, a new creature by the power of Grace are overcoming their flesh growing in Christ, conforming to his image by regeneration though the power of his resurrection enduring to the end for their reward of sharing the throne of Christ.
---exzucuh on 11/19/09


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one knows coz GOD does it all! Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
---steven-rem7000 on 11/18/09


Alan,term Remnant is peope obedient and true to God,who did not go after false Gods,Romans 11:4 God,I have reserved to myself 7000 men(Jews) who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Cluny,here is Gentile remnant under grace, Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a Remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 11:13 confirms is to Gentiles,For I speak to you Gentiles,in-as-much as I am the Apostle of the Gentiles,I magnify my office. A Remnant isn't anyone special but simply those who obey and adhere to God. This confirms that,Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman,and went to make war on the remnant of her seed,which keep the commandments of God,and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 11/18/09


Originally, evangelicals worried about being part of the "elect." (Many Calvinists were eternally INsecure.)

Latest pop-evangelical gobbeldygook wants to be part of the "remnant" (see the blog about gatherings in Houston below).

But throughout the Bible "remnant" refers to faithful Jews, never to Christians.
---Cluny on 11/18/09


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