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Healed Us By His Stripes

1 Peter 2:24 and Isaiah 53:5,6 seem to indicate that Jesus healed us of our sins by the stripes/wounds on His back. Faith healers use them for physical healing. What do you believe?

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Markv, I disagree. It was not just for the apostles. Did you know that 70 "others" were sent out with the apostles and were given power to heal and cast out demons by Jesus himself (Luke 10:1-9)? Are you aware that others besides the apostles healed people after Jesus ascended? Phillip is one. I don't know why you asked the other poster if "he" healed anybody. It's never us, it's God through us just as it was through the people in scripture. Scripture says that these signs will follow those who believe, not just the apostles. The Gospel was always preached with power.
---Mila on 1/17/10


Markv-Our actions do make a difference. I suggest looking up King Asa in 2 Chronicles 16:12. It says that BECAUSE he did not seek the Lord during his illness, he died. Obviously, this implies that if he would have seeked God the outcome could of been different. Then there is the man in the O.T that pleaded with God after the prophet told him he will die and God added 15 or so years to his because of his plead. Ahaziah in 2 Kings 1:2 was also guilty of not seeking God and died.
---Mila on 1/17/10


Rickey- I agree. Sorry Markv, but it seems as if you are creating doctrine according to your experiences.
---Mila on 1/17/10


Mary, the original word speaks of physical healing. God is mostly concerned with our spiritual well being and our love for him, but he is also compassionate and heals us physically. Scripture is full of it.If the reason to not seek healing physically is because we are all suppose to die once then why did Jesus allow people to come to him for healing? Why did he have compassion for them as scripture states? Why didn't the apostles, 70 others, Phillip and more deny physical healing?
---Mila on 1/17/10


Mary,
Why is it that God healed many in the O.T that prayed and trusted him? He added 15+/- years to a man who begged God not to let him die AFTER a prophet told him that he was going to die. Asah and Ahaziah died and scripture says that it's because they didn't seek God but seeked physicans/other gods. Their actions brought this early death.
---MIla on 1/17/10




His stripes does not mean his sacrifice. He was physically whipped and received 39 stripes. $0 usually killed a person. When Jesus physically healed in the N.T, it says that it was to fulfill Isaiah 53. Why would it say that in regards to him physically healing somebody if it was purely spiritual? Why do some ask and not receive as scripture clearly says one will if they do not doubt? Because they are not obeying God. There are tons of scriptures, mostly O.T that teach us that if we abide in his Word and obey his commandments, he will heal us.
---Mila on 1/17/10


JESUS SAID THE THINGS I DO YE SHALL DO AND GREATER THINGS. We know that we cannot do greater than the our Lord in his giving of his Life. But Jesus is not a Liar. The reason we have never reached our full potential is because of unbelief and doctrines that justify
our unbelief. Our pride will not let us confess our faults one to another. Oh No! we are great spiritual people. We cannot acknowledge the fact that our lives we live are keeping God from giving us the Authority to do the ministry of Jesus. God gives these gifts severally as he wills. As he sees fit to empower people he will. But he will not empower people who will not obey him. So we continue to see limited authority in the church.
---exzucuh on 1/10/10


---exzucuh on 1/6/10 has some strong postings but I'm in total agreement with them.
---mima on 1/10/10


You do not even have to be saved or a very good christian to receive healing. Jesus has paid Adams debt to God for his rebellion. The Stripes he took upon his back were for our healing. He took them while he was yet still alive so they guarantee healing to us while we are still alive. The reason people are not healed is rebellion. They blame God for everything and they refuse to accept responsibility for their lives and their sins just Like Adam. They try to cover sin with all kinds of fig leaf methods to make themselves look good. They blame someone else and it is usually God. This is unrepentant heart. This is a coward a true heart will take responsibility and put the blame where it belongs.
---exzucuh on 1/6/10


God does not heal people because they know his word. He heals them because they obey him. Or he heals because the person that is praying obeys him. A person who lets the word of Jesus abide in them, meaning,they obey the Gospel and do the works of Christ. They have the witness of power in their lives.They live
holy lives because the Holy Spirit is upon them. I am not talking about legalism. But a life as the result of the Holy Spirit. These people can have power with God and the authority of God to Pray for even the most sinful person and God will heal them if that person repents and believes by faith.
---exzucuh on 1/6/10




Amen Exzucuh
---Rodney on 1/6/10


God has raised four people from the Dead in my ministry I seen many cancers healed, My wife was healed of Diabetes. I have been healed of Cancer twice, an enlarged Heart, I broke my back and was paralyzed for three years and God healed me of That. We prayed for a man that needed cornea transplant and new corneas formed on his eyes. There is not enough space to tell you all the hearings and miracle I have seen in my ministry.
---exzucuh on 1/5/10


1Thess. 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance, as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
---Rodney on 1/5/10


Exzucuh, How many people have you brought back from the dead? How many in your family died because you did not heal them?
You are right, I don't have faith in the god you mentioned. I have faith in the God of Scripture who does as He wills. Not a god who turns his power over to man and cannot do anything until man commands him, and if man doesn't command him the person dies.
Mark 16:17 these signs were promised to the Apostolic community (Matt. 10:1: 2 Cor. 12:12). Not all believers in all ages (1 Cor. 12:29,30). All (with the exception of drinking poison) were experienced by some in the Apostolic Church and reported in Scripture (Acts 28:5), but not afterward (v. 20). Until Charles G. Finney in the 1800's.
---MarkV. on 1/5/10


---MarkV. on 1/5/10 The reason you cannot see healing is because you do not believe. It is your fault, because you will not obey the Gospel. You say you do not believe in works, well there you Go. Jesus says you have what you believe. You believe in nothing you have nothing. You do not seek the kingdom and you will never have the kingdom.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues,
Mark 3:14-15 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT.
---exzucuh on 1/5/10


Healing power in individuals is all fake. Healing power is in God. If individuals could heal as they say, why are people dying? Heal the arm or leg, but not cancer or bringing them back to life. If a person had power and faith to heal and restore an arm that wasn't there or healed cancer, no one would have to die. No one would lose their moms or dad or children. All you have to do is keep healing them. We pray for healing, so that God's will be done. Not our will. The time and place where we will die will come. It has been seen directed, and control by God. No one can change that time. It has been written already. no one will miss his appointed time.
---MarkV. on 1/5/10


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Hi all, When someone asks the question of my friends whose been healed by the power of God most would raise their hand. Some minor some major. Some where God has blessed medical intervention and some where there has been no medical intervention.
A friend of mine was instantly healed of a broken leg when he was 9 He knew it was broken because it looked like he had 2 knee joints His dad prayed for him and was going to take him to the hospital but he just got up and walked and was fine.
Another friend I know prayed and saw her own cut hand healed before her eyes. One of our Pastors prayed for someone who was blind and watched cataracts go clear before his eyes I know many more, God truly is amazing
---Rodney on 1/4/10


Rickey, First, Have a wonderful Christmas, celebrating the birth of Jesus.
I don't know from what denomination you come from, but most of what you talk about is not from Scripture. You spoke about Apostles today healing, there is no Apostles today. Not real one's anyway. Apostles were eye witnesses of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:22, 1 Cor. 9:1). They were chosen by the Lord Himself and were endued with sign-gifts and miraculous power attesting their office (Matt. 10:1, Acts 5:15,16, 16:16-18).
Now, I know many today have apostles but they are by name only. In fact many of the evangelist believe they are apostles. But they are fake.
---MarkV. on 12/24/09


Rodney, Merry Christmas.
God does heal in many cases. That many miraculously come back to life or that God prolongs someones life is for sure. I have seen that with my sister. She was dying of PPH, her arteries were closing in her lungs and she had days to live. I went to Texas to see her and she was transfered to San Antonio where they were experimenting with a new drug and she got the drug and lived another 10 years. I have seen God work in the lives of others many times. Many of us were praying for her and for God to help her, and a miracle came through for those who prayed. Those are the one's we as prayer worriers receive. But many others don't. It's all in God's hands. Nothing we do can change His plans for our lives.
---MarkV. on 12/24/09


In the gospels Jesus healed to show that He had power to forgive sin also (remember the parylised man being lowered through the roof) If Healing is not for today then Jesus is different I beleive that He is still the same Hebrews13,8
I can't explain why everyone doesnt seem to get physical healing but nevertheless Jesus does still heals like He said in Luke4,18 that was part of the reason He came. Modern people need healing no less than those in the Bible and the healings bear witness to the power and Majesty of our Lord Healings can help people turn towards the Lord and they strengthen the faith of those who have received salvation Healing are a part of life for my friends and family and we rejoice in the Lord that He provides our needs
---Rodney on 12/23/09


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MarkV...again you haven't backed up what you believe with scriptures. Show scripturally that physical healing isn't available for us today. If it isn't God's will to heal then all doctors are sinning.

The will of God is the word of God.(1John 5:14-15)
In His word in many places it shows that our salvation is much more that just being redeemed from going to hell.(2nd Corinthians 8:9, Hebrews 6:14-19, Romans 8:14-17,Galatians 4:7)

Yes the Apostles healed. The apostles today heal as well. They didn't usher in the church because they were not the Christ. The Rock...Jesus being the Christ is what the church is founded on.
---Rickey on 12/23/09


Rickey, it's spiritual healing that God is interested in us. You say, what is the use of praying, but there is many uses for praying. Keeps you in a relationship with Christ, also it makes us humble to the Lord in that only He knows what is best for us. That is why we should always pray for His will to be done. Prayer also is answered in many ways. Some times people are born sick and God uses that circumstance to heal many others from the fall. I mean spiritual healing.
Everyone that Jesus physically healed died. It was a temporary healing to authenticate that He was God. The Apostles also healed to usher in the Church and autenticate that Christ had come and was involve in the healing. The gifts of the Spirit were for that purpose.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/09


Mark you said, "There is no healing a body that is going to die anyways."

Mark what I was asking is if you are thinking of that healing means a person will never get sick again?

If healing isn't available for us today then what's the point of living? What's the point of putting faith in the bible for healing?
Let's look at the word "SALVATION"...it comes from the Greek word "Soteria" which means, "healing, deliverance, safety,prosperity".

Again, I am asking you to back up what you believe w/ scriptures.
---Rickey on 12/21/09


Rickey, I do not know what you mean by your question,
"So Mark when you say "healing" you are basically saying/thinking of healing in the sense of never getting sick again...am I correct?"
If you are talking about our bodies been redeemed or glorified, yes. There would be no more death, no more sickness.
When we do receive this healing, a new glorified body, we will forever have a body that is ready to be with the Lord forever. It will not die or get sick. There will be no more death for us.
If that is not what you are talking about then be explain.
---MarkV. on 12/18/09


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So Mark when you say "healing" you are basically saying/thinking of healing in the sense of never getting sick again...am I correct?

That's not what anyone is talking about.
Back to my statement earlier....show scriptures that back up what you state.
---Rickey on 12/18/09


Jesus often times used the words "cleaned" , "forgiven" and "made whole". The idea of physical healing and removal of sins and basically interchangeable. When you are made whole or cleansed, it can mean both physical healing and removal of sins at the same time.
---jody on 12/17/09


Rickey, physical healing is not a part of our salvation. Our rebirth is Spiritual, our Baptism into one body is spiritual. Our bodies are decaying, getting sick and older, and it will die. It can be healed for a time but it will die. There is no healing a body that is going to die anyways. Even the people that Jesus healed eventually got sick and died.
If our flesh had been redeemed, we would be sinless. Of course we could not still be here because we could not live with sinful people.
---MarkV. on 12/16/09


MarkV Glad you clarified that! Adam's sin came before God's punishment (curse)
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/16/09


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Rickey, let me reword what I said in my first sentence,
"it was Adam's fault that sin came into the world, but it was God's curse that cause the sickness" Without God's curse there would be no sickness, or death.
Just wanted to correct that. Peace again
---MarkV. on 12/16/09


Mark I agree with most of what you've said. Why don't you believe that physical healing is included in our salvation?

In your responses you haven't backed anything up with scriptures...just opinions. Show scripturally why you believe that physical healing isn't part of our salvation.
---Rickey on 12/16/09


MarkV "It was Adam's fault that sin came into the world, but it was God's curse that caused it"

In saying "it was God's curse that caused it" You seem to be saying that it was God's curse that caused Adam to sin.

If he sinned because God's action (the curse) made him, how can that be regarded as "Adam's fault".

And how can it be "just" for God to punish us because Adam behaved as God wished him to behave?

Please let me know if I've misunderstood what you said.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/16/09


Rickey, it was Adam's fault that sin came into the world, but it was God's curse that caused it. God could have easy forgiven them right then and there if He so wanted. But He could not go against His character, He had already said if they disobeyed this and this would happened. And so God make it happen.
Yes, we have been healed from the spiritual death when the Spirit brought us to life, (reborn) but we have not been healed from the physical death, for the body has not been redeemed yet, our bodies will get sick and we will die. After we die a physical death then our bodies will be glorified and we will be healed completely.
It was nice discussing this with you Rickey, Peace.
---MarkV. on 12/16/09


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Yup. Sickness came in through the curse.(Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 28)

The curse came because of Adam's fall.(Romans 5:12-21)

The curse is sickness, poverty, & spiritual death. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. (Galatians 3:13, 1Peter 2:24, 2nd Corinthians 5:21, II Corinthians 8:9)

As a child of God we have the right to be healed because it is part of our inheritance/salvation.
---Rickey on 12/16/09


Rickey, you keep saying or trying to blame someone for his sickness. How did sickness enter the world? By the Curse. Who put the curse? God. Without God putting the curse there would have been no fall, no sickness and no physical or spiritual death. God is Sovereign and Omniscient, He knows all. He knew Adam would sin. He knew what He was going to do because of that sin, He was going to put the curse. He also knew that He would have a way out of that curse, His Son, all these before the foundation of the world. The curse had many reasons for God.
---MarkV. on 12/15/09


Mark I totally agree. Only thing that I have/keep saying is that God didn't put the sickness on him.
The curse came from Adam's fall. By his disobedience sin came into the world and death by sin. His sin gave sickness permission to enter the world.
---Rickey on 12/15/09


Rickey, if you do not believe in the curse then I cannot help you. The curse went to everyone after the fall. From the fall sickness, physical and spiritual death came. I said he was not blinded by Jesus, the incarnate human being. Jesus was not born yet. So He was not responsible for the blinding of the man. Who do you think blinded him? If he was not blinded by the curse then you must have some person in mind. If you do, give us the name.
Jesus said, "..but that the works of God should be revealed"
What were the works of God? Jesus ability to recreated his eye sight in front of everyone, authenticating He was the Messiah.
---MarkV. on 12/15/09


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Mark you said:
"Rickey, I lost you somewhere. The man was born blind. It was not because of sin or anything the parents did. It came because of the curse that God put on man. Jesus didn't blind him, nor anyone else."

I do agree with you up to point of you saying that God put a curse on him. God didn't. Like you were saying earlier....Jesus is God. If so then either God is double-minded...cause of sickness and healing...or Jesus was underminding God by healing the blind man.


---Rickey on 12/15/09


Rickey, I lost you somewhere. The man was born blind. It was not because of sin or anything the parents did. It came because of the curse that God put on man. Jesus didn't blind him, nor anyone else.
He blindness though served a purpose for Christ. When He said, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned.. but that the works of God should be revealed"
Here Jesus performed a miracle by recreating the eyes of a man who was born blind. Four feature highlight this healing,
1. The problem that precipitated the healing (v.1)
2. the purpose for the man's being born blind (v. 2-5),
3. The power that healed him (v. 6,7),
4. The perplexity of the people who saw the healing (v. 8:13).
---MarkV. on 12/14/09


To say that the man was born blind for that purpose is simply saying that God put the sickness on Him. It's time to quit putting the blame on God for a person being sick.

Sickness is due to the fall of Adam which brought a curse on the earth. No sickness comes from God. God is Jehovah Rapha.

On another note, I do believe that we don't see the miracles performed by Jesus alot of times because we have doctors for everything making God a last resort.
---Rickey on 12/14/09


Mark....Jesus had to do the will of the Father. God the Father and Jesus both have their own will. It was totally up to Jesus to line His will up with the Father. He could've chosen not to die on the cross.(Matthew 26:53)

True, Jesus is God.(John 1:1) So since He is God then God is double-minded and a liar. God cannot the cause and cure for sickness. If that was the case then it does a person no good to put his/her faith in the bible for healing although it is promised in many places.
---Rickey on 12/14/09


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Jesus never did anything He didn't see His Father do nor did He say anything He didn't hear His Father say. He was the express image of God, the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form. Therefore, if Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were sick and oppressed of the devil, He was expressing the perfect will of the Father. Jesus never made anyone sick. He ALWAYS healed the sick, thereby making the perfect will of God for man known. And when He died and bore all of our sicknesses and infirmities, He did it to provide healing with our salvation. The gospel works effectually in them that believe.
---Bondservant on 12/14/09


Rickey, I think you are confused in your thinking. The whole story behind the blind man was to authenticate the power of Jesus the Messiah, before all the people. The man was born blind for that purpose. You said,
"If God put the sickness on him then Jesus was violating God's perfect will.
He didn't ask God, "...is it Your will for Me to heal Him?"

One thing you forget, Jesus is God. He doesn't have to ask God or violate God. The knowledge of Jesus is the same knowledge of God. Jesus the God man knew what He had to do as a human incarnated. He didn't have to ask the Father for permission to do anything, yet was submissive to the Father in many cases, but He is God. Don't lose sight of that.
---MarkV. on 12/12/09


Yes...our purpose is to bring God glory, but us being sick doesn't bring God glory at all. In John 9 Jesus healed a man that had been blind from birth.

1) The man was born blind due to the curse from Adam's fall.

2) His own sins didn't bring sickness on him

3) God wasn't glorying in the man being sick & didn't need/cause sickness to be on him.

If God put the sickness on him then Jesus was violating God's perfect will.
He didn't ask God, "...is it Your will for Me to heal Him?"

God cannot be the author of sickness and healing. He has to be one or the other. According to scripture...He is Jehovah Rapha. (Exodus 15:26)
---Rickey on 12/11/09


i used to think that it meant physically healing all the time, and from what i was taught and how it was tacked on at the end of someone needing praying for healing... but i have learned that it means spiritual healing.. Our purpose is to bring God Glory, through all that we go through whether through pain, loss, or anything.. sometimes we can experience a greater depth in God,as humans we'd love to live without the hurt, only God knows what we are capable of.. We must Trust Him
---Ronald on 12/11/09


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if we take this as everyone must be healed, look at it from a deliverance standpoint.. we see in the bible in hebrews the heroes of faith.. we see about the ones that through faith (in Christ)(thru his grace) had glorious outcomes, and then we read about ones(noone talks about these that much) through the power of Faith (in Christ)(thru his grace)> Endured.. So we know we cant say that everyone that is burned at the stake will be delivered as the 3 boys from Daniel..and we cant say because daniel was delivered from the lions that if we are thrown to lions, we'll be sleeping besides them likewise/..
---Ronald on 12/11/09


God's will is His word. (Isaiah 55:11, Numbers 23:19, Jeremiah 1:12, Psalm 119:105, Matthew 24:35, II Timothy 3:16-17)

A few reasons why many don't get healed are:

1) they don't know that it's God's will to heal. (Hosea 4:6, Proverbs 29:18)

2) Folks teach that God doesn't heal anymore
(Mark 7:13, Mark 6:5-6)

3)Folks don't want to be healed/reject the God's will to heal(Hosea 4:6)

4)Folks enjoy pity
---Rickey on 12/11/09


Mark...folks today are just like folks when Jesus was on earth. Some are willing to believe while many won't, but that still doesn't nulify what God's word says.

If healing isn't our's today then salvation isn't our's. If God isn't in the healing business then He isn't qualified to save anyone either. Our salvation includes exceedingly great and precious promises. Just because some won't use their faith to obtain them doesn't exempt the promise(s) from being available to all.

And yes..I did put alot of scriptures out there. Why not? God's word is final authority..period. Basing life & expectations on anything other than the word of God isn't Mark 11:22 faith at all.
---Rickey on 12/11/09


Rickey, you gave a lot of passages but don't proof what happened in Scripture is happening today. How many persons have you seen rise from the dead? Lets be practical, if this power to heal was in the person of a true believer, and I am sure there is many true believers, wouldn't you think bodies would be rising from every hospital and from homes where people are on hospice dying? The news would be so great that millions would come to Christ, if they only could. Many will be healed, the one's that are suppose to be healed to finish out their time in this world. Each one has a time and that time will not change no matter what you do. That is why it is always God's will that is done, never our will, even though we want it to be our will.
---MarkV. on 12/10/09


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MarkV. is God a respector of persons?

What is the curse of the law that Christ redeemed us from? (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 28)

Christ hasn't changed. In Mark 2:5-12 Jesus did 2-things: He forgave the man's sins & healed him. Since He hasn't changed we have the right, as a believer, to be healed.

Let's look at the word "SALVATION"...it comes from the Greek word "Soteria" which means, "healing, deliverance, safety,prosperity".

Examples can be found all throught the book of Acts.
---Rickey on 12/10/09


In Matthew 8:16-17 it says....
16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick, 17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:
He Himself took our infirmities
And bore our sicknesses.

There is proof that the healing spoken of in Isaiah 53 and 1Peter 2:24 is physical healing. Spiritual healing was paid for when Jesus died spiritually and went to hell...being separated from God. He became sin for us.
---Rickey on 12/10/09


I Peter 2:24 is impregnated with truths:

1) Jesus bore all of our sins...past, present, and future

a) He became sin that we might be made righteous (2nd Corinthians 5:21, Romans 5:19)

b) He died once, payed once, & rose once...having paid for the sins of all mankind regardless of if anyone doesn't choose Him. He paid for all so that we can have the opportunity to get saved.

2) Jesus has given us the power to overcome sin. (1John 2:1-2, Romans 8:1-2)

3)Jesus took sickness on Himself so the we can be healed. (Isaiah 53:5, Matthew 8:17, Psalm 103:3)
---Rickey on 12/10/09


Leon, your answer was a very good one just like Joseph's. That is the healing the Bible talks about. It has nothing to do with physical healing. Through the wounds of Christ at the Cross, believers are healed spiritually from the deadly disease of sin. Physical healing comes at glorification only, when there is no more physical pain, illness, or death (Rev. 21:4). Matthew 8:17 is a clear picture, "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, 'He Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses"
---MarkV. on 12/9/09


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By the way, when I sarcastically quoted "you shall have what you believe" I did NOT mean to be sarcastic towards God--no I meant Excuzah
---Mary on 12/9/09


Then do you believe that you will never physically die? Guess you shall "have what you believe" :) Good luck.
---Mary on 12/8/09


Mary, Jesus said you have what you believe. If you believe it is spiritual then it is. If you believe He does not heal everyone, then let it be according to your faith is what Jesus said.
---exzucuh on 12/7/09


I never said any such thing! Don't put words in my mouth, please! I believe the stripes healing is more spiritual than physical but I did NOT say the word of our God was lying!!
---Mary on 12/7/09


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--Mary on 12/4/09 So you are saying because your Father died the word of God is a lie.
The suffering Jesus did and the stripes he took were nothing. With that kind of reasoning then every bodies faith in Jesus cannot save them. Some will be lost because the word of God is limited and cannot save every body. His blood that God says is sufficient is not. Because your Father died and that proved God wrong. God cannot do what he says he can do.So you will go about you life convincing people of how weak God is and how his word is not true.
Luke 18:8 I Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
---exzucuh on 12/6/09


Eloy, I'm a believer but I know God doesn't ALWAYS choose to heal us physically, my dad died of cancer and he was prayed for a lot, but now he is definitely with the Lord so for that I am happy. :)
---Mary on 12/4/09


yes, God's word and prayer are used by all real Christians for physical healing: though nonbelievers do not receive the things of God, but deny the power thereof.
---Eloy on 12/2/09


Mark E, I believe just as your pastor believes. Everything that is wrong is not created by God. It is created by sin of man. God only creates good things. That God allowed those things to be created is true. He could have stopped it, but permitted or allowed them to be. In the same process God permitted some man to be able to heal people, those whom God wants to continue to live for His own purpose. Some who are healed are destined to save others whom God still wants to use as vessels. Everything is within the scope of God. God has gifted everyone with the necessary equipment that they will need in some future time. Mothers for children, doctors for others, writers for His word and so on.
---MarkV. on 12/2/09


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Hi Nana,

Thanks again for the response. I agree with you, that Christ did not learn anything new before or after the cross. He being all God is omniscient (not sure on spelling). I believe he knew his suffering and blood shed upon the cross would satisfy the Father and redeem fallen man.

I do read one scripture that sounds like Christ learned something new.
Heb5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered,
I have always believed this to mean that Christ experienced being obedient to the Father through his suffering upon the cross.

Take care my friend.
---trey on 12/1/09


Donna66:

Is medicine really a gift from God?

What if God did not create the diseases originally but they were a result of the curse of sin? Would that alter our understanding of God and sickness?

I have always had a problem understanding why God would create things like HIV, plague, influenza, etc. Really bad viruses. Then I spoke with a pastor who told me his understanding was God did NOT create them, they were a result of the original sin, they were part of the curse of sin, and have been mutating ever since. Wow, did this knock my socks off.

Since then, I have come to the conclusion that I do not believe this opinion of his. I have not studied it in depth but it has certainly made me think a great deal.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/1/09


PART ONE: Didn't Jesus tell us that we would do even greater things in His name...we will lay hands on the sick and they will recover, we will raise the dead, we will cast out demons... all of this stuff still happens today... its just the issue of the Church actually operating in what Jesus had commanded us to do. I toally 100% believe in healings. It is the Father's will for us to live free from SICKNESS and DISEASE.. although i totally agree that this is not only physical but spiritual healing.
---sarina on 11/30/09


Bob: If all it took was for Jesus to have been beaten almost to death to heal us of our sins, he went to the cross needlessly. Jesus said he would be crucified & then raised from the dead. By doing so, he made the way of salvation (spirit healing) possible for us all. It's a trick of the devil to keep us focused on the flesh. God didn't send Jesus into the world to die for our flesh. In Adam all of humanity died spiritually(degenerated, disconnected from God). Jesus' (the second Adam) death, burial & resurrection made it possible for us to be spiritually quickened (regenerated, reconnected to God) -- born again, SAVED. So, it wasn't just the horrific beating Jesus took for us. He died & rose from the dead so we might live!
---Leon on 11/29/09


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trey,
Christ learned at the Cross? How can that be? He knew beforehand, that a certain woman had five husbands, that Peter would deny him 3 times, of the glory which he had with the
Father before the world was and to which he was to return. He knew of the pain that was to come, why he said "let this cup pass from me". No, that knowledge is not refering to His knowledge, rather to ours, in receiving his knowledge we find life:
"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.", John 6:54
"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63.
---Nana on 11/24/09


Mark_Eaton, Joseph...excellent.
---Linda on 11/23/09


Bob, I believe it to be just as it is written "Surely he hath borne our 'griefs',-sickness- and carried our 'sorrows'-pain: and with his stripes-the blows and wounds He endured- we are healed"-granted that which is conducive to good heath. I believe this verse is representative of physical health simply because the blows were dealt to His physical body, allowed and purposed for man's redemption from the curse associated with man's disobedience to law. He "Himself 'took' our 'infirmities'-weakness-, and bare [our] 'sicknesses"-which of course has the curse of disease at it's core. Our salvation, wrought in Him, is fully defined as rescue, deliverance, welfare, protection and health, yes, soundness of mind, body, and spirit.
---joseph on 11/22/09


"Nana,

That is a good question. Here are my thoughts:
At least that's the way I see it."
---trey on 11/20/09

trey,
Thank you for your gracious and humble repply.

As I see it, "his knowledge" is none other than the knowledge of God which He also shared with us, come rain or shine, through thick and thin, even in ailment and in health.
Last I checked, I am not allowed but one 125 word entry, so I hope we can carry on with this subject over time. Here is a riddle, an answer, and the Scriptures which led me to the answer.
'Which was first, the chicken or the egg?'. They were both first, and one is like as the other, concluded from John 1:1-18.
---Nana on 11/20/09


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Mark Eaton -- Interesting observation.

I think it was this way because, before Jesus came, there was a prescribed way of dealing with sin...presenting appropriate animals for sacrifice at the Temple.

Jesus came claiming to forgive sin without any of this ingrained ritual. No wonder they doubted.

Today, there is a prescribed way of dealing with illness. If informal remedies aren't effective, the usual procedure is to visit a physician.

Jesus healed without modern medical science and may still do so. But this method of healing is so unfamiliar, many doubt it.

Modern medicine is DOUBTLESS a gift from God. However, even Christians may fail to give Him credit, unless a "miraculous" healing takes place.
---Donna66 on 11/20/09


I have been told that first century Christians readily accepted healing of their body but struggled with their sins being truly forgiven.

In the centuries since then, the tables have been turned. We readily accept our sins being forgiven but now struggle accepting the healing of our bodies.

This blog confirms that opinion.

Is it because we put so much faith in medicine and so little faith in God?
---Mark_Eaton on 11/20/09


Nana,

That is a good question. Here are my thoughts:

Isa53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many, for he shall bear their iniquities.

Christ saw the pain and agony he suffered in satisfying divine justice. Christ saw that the Father was satisfied with his offering. Christ therefore knows that the sin debt has been paid and that we have been ransomed. By his blood our sins were paid upon the cross and we are now declared just before God because of the finished work of Jesus Christ.

At least that's the way I see it.
---trey on 11/20/09


What be the meaning of Isaiah 53, v11: "...by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many..."?
---Nana on 11/20/09


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The scriptures do not say the stripes "on his back". The scriptures simply say by his stripes we are healed.

I believe Christ's stripes that heal us were the ones given to him by his Father while upon the cross paying the price for our sins.

"Christ is a wonderful physician, he heals by taking the sicknesses of his people upon himself, by bearing their sins, and being wounded and bruised for them, and by his enduring blows, and suffering death itself for them." John Gill
---trey on 11/19/09


I believe if we thought that way there would be more modern day miracles, Bob.

If we have the same Spirit that the disciples of Christ had and are given the same 'gifts', why do we not use that power of the name of Jesus to show the world who God really is?

There will be those as there were in the days of Christ, even though they SEE with their own eyes will not believe it is of God.

Television healers are a joke, Im sorry. Its obvious they seek to bring praise to themselves and become rich off of the faith of others. But imagine how many would believe if you touched a mute or deaf man in the name of Jesus Christ and 20-30 people saw an unclean spirit rise out of him on a street corner.
---JackB on 11/19/09


Darlene 1, thanks for your input. Psalm 89:32 Then I will visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with strips. Going astray and turning to one's own way concerns sin not physical sickness. Those Christians who never get healed (including myself) wonder why. And also, if God's children under the grace covenant all receive the same inheritance, why would God heal a few and leave many unhealed. God does treat all His children with the same lovingkindness doesn't He.
---Bob on 11/19/09


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