Will America Be Destroyed
The standard of holiness is the requirement of God. Will America have to be destroyed to wake the church out of compromising with the world?
Moderator - Having traveled the world, America isn't the only country lacking a true holiness and commitment to Christ. It's a humanity problem.
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---exzucuh on 11/19/09
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Exz ... You have not answered these question
But if you have, and I have somehow missed them, it will not be difficult for you to tell me where you did answer, or alternatively to repeat the answers. |
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---alan8566_oif_uk on 12/1/09 |
If you knew the truth of what is going on in the military you would not ask that question.
Suicide is a major problem,this year 75 soldiers killed themselves at fort hood. I do not know the over all number for the whole military. They cannot win over their enemies no matter how many they kill, the enemy just keeps coming, and coming, and getting stronger.
Deuteronomy 28:47-49 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things, The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth, a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand,
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---exzucuh on 12/1/09 |
The constitution of the United states is a Covenant with God made by the Forefathers of this Nation asking God for divine intervention.
And God did as they asked doing mighty Miracles
to deliver this country out of the hand of king Richard. In one battle the ships were entering the harbor and a storm came up like none every before and destroyed the British Navy. George Washington took his deciding battle with one bullet and fighting with swords and clubs and lost not one man to the Prussian mercenaries hired by the Brittish.
In many Battles George Washington came out without a scratch but his clothes full of bullet holes. |
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---exzucuh on 12/1/09 |
We, therefore, the representatives,of the United states of America,in general congress,
assembled,APEALING TO THE SUPREME JUDGE OF THE WORLD FOR THE RECTITUDE OF OUR INTENTIONS.
And for the support of this declaration,WITH A FIRM RELIANCE ON THE PROTECTION OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes,and our sacred honor.
These are the words of covenant documented by our forefathers to God and his support of our constitution and our Nation and they swore by it as a Covenant and they were representatives of this Nation appointed by the people and we have to abide by it and honor that document. |
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---exzucuh on 12/1/09 |
I have already answered those questions but like so many on christian net you are blind to the answer. You people ask me to give these things over and over and still argue never seeing the answer. You are like the Jews saying to Jesus tell us you are the son of God so we can kill you.
---exzucuh on 12/1/09
You have NOT answered these questions. You weave and dodge like a politician. Its real simple, read the question and put down the answer. You don't even answer these questions on you web sites, you just repeat innuendos and half truths.
Are you equating yourself with Jesus? |
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---NurseRobert on 12/1/09 |
I have already answered those questions but like so many on christian net you are blind to the answer. You people ask me to give these things over and over and still argue never seeing the answer. You are like the Jews saying to Jesus tell us you are the son of God so we can kill you. |
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---exzucuh on 12/1/09 |
Israel is a country and a people, God punished Israel because of it's Government, He told Elijah there are 5000 that have not bowed to Baal but he still had Elijah curse that Nation because of Ahab and Jezebel. The prophets always went to the government first Moses to Pharaoh, Elijah to Ahab, Nathan to David, David cried out to the Lord because God was killing the people with a plague because David had made a census, Therefore sinning by trusting in his arm of flesh rather than God. David said do not kill the people for my sin. It was the government of Israel that Jeremiah was pronouncing the curse over and the people that obeyed were saved the government was destroyed. |
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---exzucuh on 12/1/09 |
Exz ... These are the 8 questions,
And just what cover ups are these?
And when did he admit the constitution was flawed?
What is a country ... the government or the people? When has any government been the country? My country consists of 70m people, the government is about 450 at the most
Please name one pro-Christ government in the whole world
In what way are our governments anti-Christ, rather than just ignoring Christ?
Are you suggesting that God will not help a people, just because of the mere government?
How is he "punishing" members of the miltary?
What is wrong with admitting the constitution is flawed? |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 12/1/09 |
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exzucuh:
The truth of matters is established by multiple witnesses (Deutronomy 17:6, 19:15, Matthew 18:16, 2 Corinthians 13:1, 1 Timothy 5:19, Hebrews 10:28, etc.)
When people make doctrinal claims, it's easy enough to see if they are true. The Bereans had the right idea - they "searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so" (Acts 17:10-11).
In matters of worldy facts, one similarly searches worldly authorities. (For example, to find who was president of France in 1975, one consults encyclopedias and history books and newspapers, not the Bible.)
What names different denominations use for themselves is an example of the latter, rather than the former. |
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---StrongAxe on 12/1/09 |
If you have a problem with what I say don't try to verify whether I have authority to speak these things but Go to the authority and search it out for yourself. I preach the things I do because I sought out the truth rather than be manipulated by mans indoctrination. I am not a man to seek recondition. I do not like to be in the spotlight that is why you see me disappear at times. I do not like what I am doing, I am obeying God, He told me to begin an internet ministry. At that time I lacked the understanding to turn a computer on, I could not type. But God increased my knowledge and computer skills so I could do this Ministry.
He gave me my Name Exzucuh. (exsousia)greek |
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---exzucuh on 11/30/09 |
The context of Jesus bearing witness of Himself was that there were other sources backing up what He was saying "by two or three witnesses ley every word be established"
Jesus had John the Baptist, the old testament scriptures and the miracles that He did as evidence or witness of what He was saying was true.
To make any claim about the bible their should be more than one witness or scripture to verify the claim |
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---Rodney on 11/30/09 |
Exzucuh:
Yes, those who bear witness of themselves are typically more suspect than those who do not.
However, by claiming that the Spirit of God specifically reveals things to you (and things at variance with common understanding), and using such knowledge in an argument (that is, expecting others to take such special knowledge at face value), you place yourself in the position of a prophet, with all the extra scrutiny that entails.
We are told to "test the spirits, to see if they are from God", not just accept them at their word - because it is precisely those spirits that speak falsehood who proclaim the loudest they are speaking the truth, making it harder to find the ones who actually DO speak the truth. |
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---StrongAxe on 11/30/09 |
John 5:31-32 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me, and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
My witness is to reveal the Son of God and the Son of Perdition, not to reveal myself. My life
and dedication to my Lord and the words I speak
are all the witness that I have. |
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---Exzucuh on 11/30/09 |
Exzucuh:
It is true that the Jews rejected most of what Jesus said, because a prophet is rejected in his own country. But Jesus was a prophet (among other things), and is worthy to be judged as such, according to the severe strictures of a prophet (Deutronomy 18:20-22). There was no room for error. A single incorrect prophecy proved that a prophet was false, and thus worthy of death (typically by stoning).
Do you, yourself, claim to be a prophet of God? If so, you may have a legitimate claim to demand that others believe you, but then again, you would thus also place yourself under the same strictures. |
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---StrongAxe on 11/30/09 |
I also have been baffled by exz's replys/comments. So, most the time I skip his posts. He'll say that's because I don't hear the spirit. To understand him, one has to have spiritual discernment, according to him. |
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---Rod4Him on 11/29/09 |
you can't expect everyone else to accept your own personal revelations, especially if they contradict commonly accepted use of such terms - unless you can provide additional corroborating evidence beyond personal revelations.
---StrongAxe on 11/28/09
The Jews thought Jesus had personal revelations too. He did not do things according to accepted use of terms. And he did not prove anything. An adulterous generation looks for signs. |
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---Exzucuh on 11/29/09 |
Exz ... I am baffled!!
How on earth does anything you say in yours of 11/29 relate to anything I said in mine of 11/29?
Please tell me what it is that I said that is the "very reason the Jews crucified Jesus"?
And What is it that I said that "we must overcome if we are to receive anything from God"? |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 |
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 That is the very reason the Jews crucified Jesus. And that is what we must overcome if we are to receive anything from God. A double minded individual cannot operate in faith that pleases God. He plows looking back. Like lots wife cannot let go. Sends spy's into the land that come back with a bad report. Dies in the wilderness with the promised land at arms length. Talks to God like Balaam and does not obey him. Trades the inheritance like Esau for a bowl of beans. Sells Jesus for politics like Judas. Hides the talent in the ground. WE are suppose to have the mind of Christ and crucify the mind of Adam. |
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---exzucuh on 11/29/09 |
Exz ... If that is your meaning of synonymous, I would agree, but point out that all the churches of the Anglican Communion are then synonymous with all other Christian denominations, such as the RCC, the many Orthodox churches, the Lutherans, Baptists, Pentecostals, Church of Scotland, SDA, & maybe JWs, and LDS, and with the non-denominationals.
& by the same logic, since we are all born of the will of God, you & I are synonymous, as are Eloy, Cliff, Miche, Trav, Pastor J, Ruben, Rhonda, Kathr, MarkV & Mark Eaton, Mima, StrongAxe, & the Pope, and Athiest. |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09 |
exzucuh:
You said: but they look synonymous to God in the Spirit and it is revealed through the Spirit to me they are synonymous.
It's fine that you believe this, however, unless you declare yourself to be a prophet (with all the strictures that implies), you can't expect everyone else to accept your own personal revelations, especially if they contradict commonly accepted use of such terms - unless you can provide additional corroborating evidence beyond personal revelations. |
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---StrongAxe on 11/28/09 |
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09
So no, the terms are not synonymous
You do not see them as synonymous and they do not see themselves as synonymous but they look synonymous to God in the Spirit and it is revealed through the Spirit to me they are synonymous.
Just as the seven churches of Asia in revelation 5 became synonymous by the fact that they were all out of the will of God. |
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---exzucuh on 11/28/09 |
Sorry ... my last should have been addressed to StrongAxe, not Exzucuh |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/28/09 |
Exz ... The Church of England, the Anglican Church of America, the Scottish Episcopal Church, the Church in Wales, the Episcopal Church of America, and many other churches world wide are all members of the Anglican Communion.
But they are separate entities, and they have their differences. For example, gay marriages, which are allowed by the American Episcopal Church, but not by the Anglican Church of America, nor by the Church of England, nor by most members of the Communion.
So no, the terms are not synonymous
Nor are the terms England, Britain, Great Britain, United Kingdom, & British Commonwealth. Complicated ain't it? |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09 |
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09 You are probably
right about that! |
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---exzucuh on 11/27/09 |
Exz .... further ninformation!!
"There is a public perception, especially in the United States, that Henry VIII created the Anglican church in anger over the Pope's refusal to grant his divorce, but the historical record indicates that Henry spent most of his reign challenging the authority of Rome, and that the divorce issue was just one of a series of acts that collectively split the English church from the Roman church in much the same way that the Orthodox church had split off five hundred years before"
Readsing between the lines, I think Henry was after grabbing the wealth of the RCC for himslf ... the divorce issue just an excuse |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09 |
alan8566_of_uk:
Aren't the terms "Episcopal" and "Anglican" just synonyms for "Church of England" respectively in the United States, and in countries other than the US and UK? |
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---StrongAxe on 11/27/09 |
Exz .... Yes the Church of England acknowledges that it is part of the continuation of the original church some 2000 years ago (as are most other denominations ... there have been few new "Christian" denominations or churches invented)
The Church IN England existed from the earliest centuries, and exists still today in many many differnent traditions and denominations. The "Church OF England" is one of those, existing in the last 4+ centuries.
And it exists in England only. |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/26/09 |
# The Evangelical tradition has emphasized the significance of the Protestant aspects of the Church of Englands identity, stressing the importance of the authority of Scripture, preaching, justification by faith and personal conversion.
# The Catholic tradition, strengthened and reshaped from the 1830s by the Oxford movement, has emphasized the significance of the continuity between the Church of England and the Church of the Early and Medieval periods. It has stressed the importance of the visible Church and its sacraments and the belief that the ministry of bishops, priests and deacons is a sign and instrument of the Church of Englands Catholic and apostolic identity. |
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---exzucuh on 11/26/09 |
alan8566_of_uk:
Actually, my comment was more to exzucuh: he accuses you of straining on a gnat, while he seems to be trying to swallow the same gnat.
As you correctly point out (and I had also pointed out previously), the Church of England was only created by Henry VIII, and is fairly recent, it merely predates the American colonies by about a century. |
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---StrongAxe on 11/25/09 |
StrongAxe..
I'm not trying to swallow any gnat ... I would not want to do that anyway, 'cos gnats bite.
I was just pointing out that the "Church of England" is a particular denomination, which did not exist before Henry V11 created it a mere 400+ hundred years ago.
And that England as a name of a country did not exist at the time the Romans were around.
As you point out, there was much persecution, not two-way as I had said, but between many different competing groups who each thought their way was the only way, and that torture and murder were proper ways of maintaining the Faith |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09 |
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: (end)
Imagine the Church not being on earth at this time. The day of wrath and the revelation of Jesus Christ. Nothing like receiving immediate consiquence of conduct! Treasuring up unto thy self against the day of wrath. wow! What a painful time that'll be for all those who refused to do right in Gods sight. Immediate consiquenses at that Very moment. And moment by moment by moment after that. This is for the global population- everyone who refused the free gift of God via repentence and, therfore, remain on earth. |
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---Justin on 11/25/09 |
Justin:
You are correct Rev. 18 speaks of America!
Babylon, means confusion. Just as ancient Babylon influenced the world back then, so does U.S. even influencing mentally and in a dominanting way, by force! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/25/09 |
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---Justin if we examine Revelation 18 we will find out that this "Babylon" is not a nation but a city.
Revelation 18:10-16-18
"10-Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."
"16-And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! "
" 18-And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!"
So obviously it is not America it is a city. I believe it speaks of Rome or possibly the rebuilt city of Babylon in Iraq.
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---mima on 11/25/09 |
We are an obamination:) I agree that the entire planet is pretty disobedient. It is also not a safe place to be:). These times are both dangerous and confusing. It will get worse. When they finally say "peace and safety" then the end is at hand. In answer to the question, America probably wouldn't "wake-up" even if she were totally destroyed. |
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---jody on 11/25/09 |
When I read Rev 18 I can only see America. I have read many commentaries but find it odd that they speak of the actual Babylon. I know of only one nation in the modern day that is a reflection of the Babylon of old- The US.
If our currency collapses the hatered from all other counties will be unbelivable. As the US goes- so goes the world. But to be destroyed in one hour. It is possible in this day and age. If this is not speaking about the US- who is it speaking about? It is an actual event that happens to a nation. And what nation is the most hated in the world currently? And when the dollar dies? |
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---Justin on 11/25/09 |
exzucuh:
It sounds like you and alan8566_of_uk are fighting over who gets to swallow the same gnat.
Also, just what are the characteristics of "real" Christians? The original colonies treated Christians who believed diffently than they did with the same intolerance that the Church of England treated the Pilgrims. So much for "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", something "real" Christians should have been sensitive to. |
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---StrongAxe on 11/25/09 |
I to have travel'd the world,
America will suffer for its Lukewarmness and having a form of Godliness but deny the power thereof...
Soon, the world will know what is IS...
YLBD
I've been watching you all, atleast some of the arguing has stopped, thats a + |
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---YLBD on 11/25/09 |
Exz ... I am not disagreeing about the break between the RCC and Henry VIII ... that is when the "Church of England" came into being.
Nor do I disagree about the two-way persecution.
And indeed the church in this territory came into existence during the Roman period, but it was not known as the the "Church of England",
It could not have been so named, because England did not exist ... the Angles had not even arrived here to give the place the name "England"
Yes the church in this island goes back to the Romans, but the "Church of England" does not |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09 |
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09
You arguing with a History book that I copied that information out of, the only difference in the catholic church and the church of England at that time was rebellion over a divorce, neither was of God and both were persecuting real Christians. But if you insist on straining at gnats then so be it it is no skin off my back. |
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---exzucuh on 11/25/09 |
exz ... "The Church of England go back to the time of the Roman Empire when a Christian church came into existence in what was then the Roman province of Britain"
Not correct!!
The title "Church of England" specifically relates to "Church" which broke away from the RCC, and still exists as a denomination today.
If you had referred to the Church IN England you would have been part correct, except that England did not exist at the time of the Roman Empire. Even the tribes that gave the territory that name had not yet arrived here. |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09 |
The Church of England go back to the time of the Roman Empire when a Christian church came into existence in what was then the Roman province of Britain. The early Christian writers Tertullian and Origen mention the existence of a British church in the third century AD and in the fourth century British bishops attended a number of the great councils of the Church such as the Council of Arles in 314 and the Council of Rimini in 359.At the Reformation the Western Church became divided between those who continued to accept Papal authority and the various Protestant churches that repudiated it. |
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---exzucuh on 11/24/09 |
A little history. Many believe Christopher Columbus to have been Jewish. The Jewish people were being driven out of Spain at this very time. Some writers believe that Christopher Columbus was looking for a homeland for his people the Jews. Was he a Roman Catholic? A wise man says "when in Rome do as the Romans do" |
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---mima on 11/24/09 |
exzucuh:
The Pilgrims fled England, not to escape the Catholic Church, but rather the Church of England, who were not tolerant of their different brand of Christianity. But then in turn, the colonist were equally intolerant of other Christians whose beliefs differed from their own as well.
Also, remember that when Christopher Columbus came west to the Americas, with a mission to bring Christ to the new world, he himself was a Roman Catholic. |
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---StrongAxe on 11/24/09 |
larry... we have been "admired" world-wide for at at least half a century, maybe more. I didn't say we were admired for our "goodness". The admiration of men means nothing in Heaven, anyway.
We are "admired" (not praised...that's something entirely different) because of the standard of living we've developed. THAT's why people want to come here. They want the luxeries enjoyed by middle class America. Much of the everyday comforts we take for granted are truly luxeries in the rest of the world.
People who live under the most oppressive governments may "admire" us for the democracy and liberty we enjoy. |
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---Donna66 on 11/23/09 |
Thank you Donna, but we have not been the most admired nation until very recently and even so its not an award honored in heaven.
Though both men have deep flaws President Bush and President Obama are very kind men and no different than the thousands of privately troubled souls who approach the first alter call at Promise Keepers.
We've not had a truly evil hateful president since Nixon and we should thank God that our leaders, even if misled are not personally abusive to citizens.
On Thanksgiving I am truly thankful for our government which God has ordained, its time and season. There is not one critical verse of the institution of government found in all of scripture. |
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---larry on 11/23/09 |
Pastor Jim,
Yes, and thank 'god' for 'his' help in taking the land from and killing the Indians. |
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---atheist on 11/23/09 |
...Speaking of Tyranny,
Thomas Jefferson said
"When the people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty".
It seems that anymore the government not only doesn't fear the people, it doesn't even listen to them. For they have concluded that THEY know what is best for all of us. Our "patriotic" duty is to shut up and get out of the way. |
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---Donna66 on 11/23/09 |
"TYRANNY REIGNS, WHEN GOD'S PEOPLE DO NOTHING!!!"
This nation was started by Christian RightWing Extremists and became the great nation it is under God.
It is now being dismantled, piece by piece, by Marxists Godless Progressives.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!! |
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---Pastor_Jim on 11/23/09 |
Yes, get ready for depression so bad, in comparison the depression of 1929 will look like a picnic! Civil war,(Hilary having the highest office in the land! Worst calamities come then) invasion, faminine, earth quakes, natural castrophes persecution and more! and Yes, then destruction of the United States thanks to apostasy! Remember judgement begins with the House of God 1 Peter 4:17
And this is all just around the corner!
This nation receives double Judgment! Rev 18
Keep His commandments with faith in Christ!
He will protect His Children who repent! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/22/09 |
Well, the church ought to know not to compromise with the world. Still, we do have the Person of the Holy Spirit to guide us. Everyday. America is being distroyed inch by inch. And we can all bear some responsibility in this. Ofcourse, it's not too late, yet. |
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---catherine on 11/22/09 |
\\ remember God took Russia down in less than 24 hours.\\
Do you mean Russia or the Soviet Union?
The two are NOT the same, you know. |
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---Cluny on 11/22/09 |
Steveng- Thanks for mentioning in detail this contribution of Buth to the African continent. So few know of it, and he never drew attention to it.
The Nobel Peace Prize, as we all know, is more a political award than anything else. Gotta wonder about those who would grant Yasser Arafat a "peace" prize. |
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---Donna66 on 11/22/09 |
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Donna66: "Bush deservedly received a more enthusiatic reception there than even Obama."
Bush deserves the Noble Peace Prize more than Obama. Bush saved over 15 million lives in Africa by asking Congress for $15 billion for medical supplies over a five year period to fight AIDS and malaria. Bush has done many things that the general public are not aware. As it is written, do things for the glory of God in private. |
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---Steveng on 11/21/09 |
one day it will happen.
remember God took Russia down in less than 24 hours. |
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---Psalm_91 on 11/21/09 |
\\ Cluny, The only ones I know to complain was a Catholic Organization. That's it!\\
You don't know much, do you, Pastor Jim?
This fits in with what you have said earlier--that pastors are ignorant. |
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---Cluny on 11/21/09 |
larry-- We have been the most "admired" country for a long time. People from every country jump at a chance to move here and enjoy our way of lfe...
it's been that way for many years.
That doesn't mean they always like our government, depending on international conditions. BUT we are far from universally hated, as some of our own citizens would like us to believe. You are so right about Africa. Bush deservedly received a more enthusiatic reception there than even Obama. |
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---Donna66 on 11/21/09 |
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\\As Millions laugh and watched Larry Davies show on HBO while he urinated on the face of Jesus, yet the so called 200 millon "Christains" did nothing, said nothing. No boycott, no HBO cancellations. NADA!\\
Cluny, The only ones I know to complain was a Catholic Organization. That's it!
As is always the case it is The Orthodox Jews, The Catholics, The Mormoms, and the Moslems you see demonstarting against sin(i.e. Prop22 Ca./ Women Conf. China) etc.
The Pharisitic Fundi Evangelicals who critizes every other faiths technics from their Potluck Pulpits. Do absolutely nothing. They Talk the Talk, but never walk the walk. These are the Goats on the Left side of Judgement. The ones in Matt 25. |
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---Pastor_Jim on 11/21/09 |
America is the only country that was started on the foundation of Gods help, The only country that Christians came here and formed it to get away from the tyranny of the catholic church and the persecution of governments. Each colony began with a Government ruled by the laws of God and dedication to Jesus Christ. In the diary of Christopher Columbus it states that his sole mission was to bring Christ to this new world.
George Washington said that no government should be ruled accept by the bible. America is Gods nation, just because people have forgotten the covenant that our forefathers made with him will not change his judgment. |
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---exzucuh on 11/21/09 |
I agree with the Moderator, you will find false churches around the world and not just in America. |
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---Eloy on 11/21/09 |
Revelation teaches that a star will fall from heaven and a third of the earth will be destroyed. I think I know just where it will land. |
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---jerry54 on 11/20/09 |
Yes Donna, but we have moved again to the top of the list of the most admired nation.
This is due in part to Obama's magnatism and the substance of President Bush.
Thought rarely given credit President Bush did more for the continent of Africa than any president in American history and we have the highest admiration on the continent of Africa.
President Obama is largely floating on his potential where even in disagreement most reasonable people will admit he is very easy going and likeable.
There is something good about each and every one of our presidents for which thanks to God is due.
It should be remembered that Christ did not seek or praise admiration from nations. |
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---larry on 11/20/09 |
Ahhh, so many self proclaimed prophets who speak words from God.
It is only God who chooses which nation to build up and which nation to destroy. There are two parts of a nation that is to be destroyed according to scripture: one, that the people turn their backs on God and, two, that the nation turns its back on Israel. Presently, we are still defending Israel. As long as we are defending Israel, God will spare destruction. But it appears that even the United States will turn its back on Israel. God's patience is growing thin as we approach the end. |
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---Steveng on 11/20/09 |
\\And do not try to tell me that Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian I have all his writings and can prove that he was.
---exzucuh on 11/20/09\\
Among your Jeffersonia do you have his so-called Jefferson Bible--the NT with all the references to the divinity and miracles of Jesus excised?
Or where he wrote that the Virgin Birth of Jesus was as ridiculous as the birth of Minerva from the head of Jupiter? |
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---Cluny on 11/20/09 |
My theory is that the founders, predominantly Christian, were wise enough to realize that the document they were writing might be used by people of various faiths (or of various doctrines within Christianity).
Thus they deliberately described God in terms least likely to be questioned. To stimulate needless arguments about the nature of God, would only serve to discredit the entire document. As they were facing a crisis, they could not afford this. |
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---Donna66 on 11/20/09 |
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Or a generic To Whom It May Concern entity believed in by Deists, Unitarians, and Masons?
---Cluny on 11/20/09
How uninformed you are on the beliefs of our founding fathers. I studied them all the only
one that was not a believer was Benjamin Franklin and he was converted later when he was in his 80s, because of the mighty miracles he saw the Lord do to save this country from England. And do not try to tell me that Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian I have all his writings and can prove that he was. |
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---exzucuh on 11/20/09 |
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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---Gabby on 11/20/09 |
\\The Declaration of Independence was a
prayer to God
We, therefore, the Representatives of the
united States of America, in General Congress,Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions,\\
And is this deity invoked here the God of Christianity, Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Or a generic To Whom It May Concern entity believed in by Deists, Unitarians, and Masons? |
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---Cluny on 11/20/09 |
Deuteronomy 6:15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great, and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: |
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---exzucuh on 11/20/09 |
I believe America is on the verge of facing very harsh judgment from God for its lack of abiding in the Lord's words. We have turned our back on God, but, like Israel of old, we think that God is still obligated to run to our defense everytime something happens to us. Like Israel, we say, "God doesn't know, or care what we do behind closed doors," He will still rescue us. But the time is near when HE will say as HE said to the people of Israel, "Shall I be enquired of by you? I shall not!" Then the consequences of our failure to heed His commands will fall down on our heads. |
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---tommy3007 on 11/20/09 |
Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish, yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
The Declaration of Independence was a
prayer to God
We, therefore, the Representatives of the
united States of America, in General Congress,Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, |
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---exzucuh on 11/19/09 |
\\As Millions laugh and watched Larry Davies show on HBO while he urinated on the face of Jesus, yet the so called 200 millon "Christains" did nothing, said nothing. No boycott, no HBO cancellations. NADA!\\
As a matter of fact, there were a lot of complaints made to HBO, by snail mail, e-mail, and telephone. |
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---Cluny on 11/19/09 |
AMEN, moderator. Thanks to progressive education, this generation of Americans have been strongly conditioned to NOT criticize other countries and to view the United States as a major source of evil in the world.
I've also traveled the world. And one thing that is very apparent is that human nature is pretty much the same world-wide (and IMHO, mostly without regard to culture or religion) |
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---Donna66 on 11/19/09 |
Yes america will be destryed, but so will the other countries of this world. America sets up laws to protect people who commit acts which go against YHVH's laws, they put mans laws above YHVH's!!!!!!!!! |
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---wayne on 11/19/09 |
The moderator is correct though I believe there is a general misunderstanding about God's role int the destruction of a nation.
God's role in destroying nations involved his own rebellious people in the theocracy of Israel or nations that physically threatened Israel.
In the United States we've simply put God on a shelf and will face the consequences of having gone our own way.
We won't be destroyed by God but by the lack of God on our daily lives.
Moderator-thank you for your work on behalf of edifying the saints. |
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---larry on 11/19/09 |
America is NOT the promised land. That is a myth. True it was started by Christians and God has bless it so. But no longer.
As Millions laugh and watched Larry Davies show on HBO while he urinated on the face of Jesus, yet the so called 200 millon "Christains" did nothing, said nothing. No boycott, no HBO cancellations. NADA!
Imagine if he dare do that to Mohammeds face.
SO YOUR ANSWER IS YES! IT WILL!!! |
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---PASTOR_JIM on 11/19/09 |
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