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Pastors Teach Tithing

Pastors teach that the tithing law is still a mandate, so why are they not keeping the Sabbath law as well (no work or activity Friday evening till Saturday eve).

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My church gives away most of what is given to it.

And at least we don't use the bribe of gambling to get people to listen to our message.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/3/09

I thank God for churches like this
---exzucuh on 12/3/09


That was a great Biblical perspective, jim.

Many times the Apostle Paul did not receive money and even refused money. He said he had enough one time, don't send more.

Paul said, so as you have me for an example, do.

There's a time for everything.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/09


OLD TESTAMENT

Before the Law
Exodus 25:1-2
Exodus 36:5-8
Note: Giving from the heart worked. More was received than could be used.

The Law
The Levitical tithe, on the other hand, did not work. Thus, you have Malachi 3, robbing God.

NEW TESTAMENT

After the Law
2 Corinthians 9:6-8
Giving from the heart always works better than a law.

The grace of giving needs to be taught now, not tithing.
---Gary on 12/3/09


2 kings 12:5-7

let the priest take some of that money to pay for whatever repairs are needed at the temple
but by the 23rd year of joash reign, the priest still had not repaired the temple. so king joash called jehoiada & other priest & asked them 'why haven't you repaired the temple? DON'T USE ANY MORE MONEY FOR YOUR OWN NEEDS. FROM NOW ON, it must all be spent on themple repairs.' so the priest agreed not to accept any more money from the people, & they also agreed to let others take responsibility for repairing the temple.
when money is diverted to buy luxury homes cars & jet, the church suffers.
---jim on 12/3/09


People going to church ought to support it.
However, let me describe a challenge I had when I went to a local church a few times. The church displayed on the back of the bulletin money received and all the staffs and building expenses. So far so good.

However, my business job was to manage several manufacturing facilities of consisting of over several hundred people. My budget was over several million a month. I know what it takes to run a business.

If I ran the business as the church institution ran theirs, the business would be broke in no time. The church had more "clergy/stuff" than I did supervisors in each facility, and their show was only on Sunday morning. Mine was 24/7.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/09




Rod4him, I also believe that if some churches want ask for tithe, it should not be necessary anymore, but giving what you can affort to give for the purpose of God, which means missionaries, bills for the church and so on it perfectly fine. I just don't see how a Church could continue if no one gave anything. The support of believers should be able to keep the visible church going.
I also don't like to hear all the talk about how bad the churches are, from Steven G. and others. We have a lot of great churches. Churches that help the community and worshippers like Miche in a time of need. Cathedral of Faith in San Jose, has a whole big building full of food to give out, and clothes. Thousands go there.
---MarkV. on 12/3/09


Rod4Him:

Brother, if we were together in person I would grab you by the neck and put some loving on you. Geesh.

Since when do we need permission to exhort each another? I need no authority to exhort you. You either listen to me or you don't. My heavens, you are too sensitive.

I said do not argue against the ADVICE that is given. So many here ask questions and then argue against the answers they are given.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/3/09


Mark E, maybe I am taking your statements too personal, but who is the "everybody?" and what are you talking about? Who is insulting one another? and who are you to admonish "everybody?"

If you want to be under a man-made law to pay a tithe, sure, that's up to you. I thought this blog was a place of the tithe discussion.

Who is arguing against a tithe once it is given?

You bet, everyone needs to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling, but concerning the "tithe," many churches teach this, putting undue guilt unnecessarily on people.

Perhaps you ought to admonish the moderator for having topic.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/09


Mima, apology accepted and again God bless you. I know what you said was because of your concern that I might not be part a Godly congregation that would help if needed.
And thank you to everyone who answered my question.
The more I study on this subkect the more I realize that the reason God blesses us is so we can bless someone else. I truly believe that is part of tithing and not just money.
I pray that everyone can be a part of the type of congregation I am part of. That is why I drive 30 miles one way to worship with them.
---miche3754 on 12/3/09


Everyone, please stop using labels for people and churches.

You are insulting the body of Christ and each other. Do we still have love for each other? Do we still have joy? Are you demonstrating Christ for other people?

Do not be legalistic. Everything is legal but not everything edifies.

If you want to pay the tithe then pay it.

If you are undecided, pray and read, then perhaps ask for advice. Don't argue against it once it is given.

If you do not agree with the tithe, then agree to let every man work out his own salvation with trembling and fear.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/3/09




Mima ... "There are still Christians in the churches but there are few very few churches that are Christian" ... "never ending money grabbing institutions that are now passing for God's church"

Mima ... Your perception is wrong.

My church gives away most of what is given to it.

And at least we don't use the bribe of gambling to get people to listen to our message.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/3/09


miche, you apparently attend a church that is an exception rather than the rule. Praise God you are in a community of believers that help one another.

My wife and I also take care of her 90 year old father, who has many health problems. Money is a small part of taking care of an elderly person with health issues.

Our first responsibility is to take care of our familys. If you are able to help your church finanically, great, but don't feel obligated or "spiritual" pressure to give to them.

As you follow Christ, trust that He is leading your heart. Don't let someone or church try to guide your conscience.

Sensitive people to Christ are easily misguided by man.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/09


---miche I wish to apologize to you. I spoke out of turn and I am sorry.
---mima on 12/3/09


---miche3754 on 12/3/09 NO you are honoring God by obeying him to honor your father. The mentality of anyone that would say different is that of a pharisee, Jesus rebuked them because they would not help their parents they would say: My money is dedicated to God and I cannot give it to my parents. Matthew 15:4-7 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites,
---exzucuh on 12/3/09


Mima, Please don't say that about the congregation I am part of because they do help.
They have given me money to feed my children, cloth them, they have brought food, they ministered to my Dad when he was in the hospital, given me money for gas.
Please don't say such things when you are not for certain.
It is not good to judge one congregation harshly just because others have done that.
I asked the question not because someone has said something to me about the "10%", but because I want to make sure I am in God's will.

But thank you so much for answering my question, and God bless you!
---miche3754 on 12/3/09


No you're not robbing God. You're foolishly giving your money to conventional(churches) ideas. Will you be honored for such? Well I'm certain you will be honored for seeing to your father,but I am certainly not certain that you will be honored for giving your money to the never ending money grabbing institutions that are now passing for God's church. In truth they should be helping your father.

There are still Christians in the churches but there are few very few churches that are Christian.
---mima on 12/3/09


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gentlemen, what about someone like me?
My dad is dying from cancer and can't work. He can't even walk right now.
I pay my dad's utility bills and buy food for the house, and provide any transportation or money he needs for his meds, while his retirement pays for the house. Since this started, I have been unable to pay my "10%". I give what I can with a cheerful heart. I serve the Lord in the Choir. When we have church functions, Im very happy to help decorate. When we have women's ministry, I teach or do the devotional for my Sisters in Christ. Anything God leads me to do, I do it. I have put my last bit of money in the offering plate and prayed that God give it to someone who needs it.
Am I robbing God by honoring my dad?
---miche3754 on 12/3/09


to pastor jim
what did the pharisees do to the people. the pharisees were trapping the people. the experts in the law were putting unbearable demands & weight on their shoulders.
luke 11:52 ...you remove the key to knowledge the people.

the people in this website are discussing issues that they share based on their experiences & knowledge. christ did that for a reason while the pharisees & experts in the law did because they were INSULTED & christ told the truth about them.
---mike on 12/2/09


Actually Mike if you read scipture Jesus had a whole list of labels for the Pharissees. See the 8 woes and read other verses.
---Pastor_Jim on 12/2/09


to pastor jim

since you say that you do not seek the approval of men, you don't need to call people names or labelling them.

christ did not seek the approval of the pharisees but he rebuked them (corrected them) but not labelled them when they lacked compassion, mercy & justice
---mike on 12/2/09


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part 1
to pastor jim

the pharisees thought they were doing the will of god. they were 'experts in the law.' good in quoting this verse or that verse.
luke 13:14 the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant when christ healed the woman on a sabbath.' christ intends to free the crippled woman for 18 years, while the 'religious leader' was focus on what???
you can say that you don't get the approval of men.
well, be careful bec. not all you quote is right. luke 13:14 is a good example.
---mike on 12/2/09


Do you know what the instruction was for gathering material for the ark and the sanctuary in the Old Testament? Was it a tithe? Was it a Law?

Exodus 25:1-2, "You are to recieve the offering for me from each man whose heart prompts him to give."

This is same type of instruction that Paul gives in II Corinthians. "From the heart."

The institutional church has turned an OT instruction into a Law, and then uses that as a Law for tithing today, which wasn't even a Law then.
---Rod4Him on 12/2/09


Those who pay The Lord's tithe to their church today are robbing God in more than one way.

First, Numbers 18 makes it perfectly clear that The Lord's tithe was given to the Levites. To withhold The Lord's tithe, OR to take it to someone other than the Levites, is a form of robbing God.

Next, those who attempt to take The Lord's tithe to their church today are doing so to show obedience to God. However, since The Lord's tithe ended at the cross, was commanded to be taken to the Levites, and requires no prayer or Holy Spirit, God is again being robbed from prayer-led giving. Oh you might pray and give over and above the tithe, but the tithe portion is being given in a robotic way.
---Gary on 12/2/09


Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay TITHE of mint and anise and cummin, and have OMITTED the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Jesus reveals tithing as Nomos law, the ritualistic law of Judaism. Nomos was done away, nailed to the cross. Entolay moral law was not, it like gravity, is still in effect.
God now requires your whole life not a percentage, 100%. A christian knows to give and lives to give. you see a need you fulfill it. God gives to you because Jesus paid your tithe, You give to God because you appreciate it.
---exzucuh on 12/2/09


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I feel like some of you's reaaly giving me go-around about Tithes etc.

You's prob in a trin-church. The only scriptures I find for trinity & or trin-churches is here, Rev 17 v's 4-6 & it started here 2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15 with the man constantine who devised r-catholocism the first trin-churh, then her offspring churches luth, preby, naz, bapt, episc, method etc.
NO bashing, because I've looked into church history at the City-library.
---Lawrence on 12/2/09


Mike,

Thats exactly what I was thinking
---JackB on 12/1/09


Gary
I got in Church 1972. Giving my Tithes & Offerings. Years ago I was taught, that early years the saints gave Tithes from their gardens, eggs, even meat from what they had. I didn't have any thing like that so it was from my income.
Do you think that my Pastor is spose to pay the utillities etc & build-maint up-keep out of his job retirement & s sec money? I dont think so.
---Lawrence on 12/2/09


Mike,
I just speak the Truth quoted directly out of Scripture. I speak HIS word and do not seek the APRROVAL of Men, nor do I wish their evil glory. If what I quoted offends You and Lawrence, then HE has no part of you and His word is not in you.
So you attack on his mesenger, but I DID NOT write the Scriptures HE DID! This the Pharisses have done to Christ and they were condenm by their own words.
Jesus
Simon Peter
Paul
Stephen
Did ANY of these men do things to be Politically Correct or polite. Did any of these desired to "FIT IN" your world. NO!!!

For you see they (AND ME) are NOT of this world and WE don't care demon-mination you defend. WE only care about Glorifying OUR Father. NOTHING ELSE!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/1/09


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Lawrence - Can you give me book, chapter, and verse where God asks for ten percent of your income? Or is this something you made up, or heard said by some pastor? I'd sure like to be educated about this.
---Gary on 12/1/09


Thank you Mike.
That is why I used a little p for p-Jim, to much harsh-blasting from him, others. They's just aint to nice.
I pay for utillities, groceries, other-bills & taxes, But, I Give my Tithes & Offerings.
Again when He said about the coin, render unto God the things that are Gods, that's what He is reffering to, Tithes & Offerings. See, in the first place, God owns All that I have. Being 1 of His own, He is only asking in return 1 tenth of my income. He could really be hard & say, give me 90%, you keep the 10%.
Again, my Pastor lives on retirement, s sec. The Tithes & Offerings pay to keep the build maint, electric, water & gas on in the worship-building, in summer & winter it adds up.
---Lawrence on 12/1/09


Lawrence - Mt. 22:21b Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesars, and unto God the things that are Gods.

The question here is what really belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God?

Anyone who has really done a serious study of the Bible on this topic will find all we have, comes from and belongs to God.

Some can easily give 10 percent to the work of the Lord, others simply cannot afford to do so.

Consider a sailor living in substandard housing with a wife & kid on food stamps, the tithe to him is food right off his table, but for a dentist, it is a necessary tax deduction.

those pastors who preach the tithe are really robbing the poor and not trusting God to care for the ministry.
---Lee1538 on 12/1/09


Lawrence - What makes you think that when you tithe to the church you are paying your tithe to God? Show me where God ever authorized anyone other than the Levites to receive His tithe.

God never commanded to take His tithe to whoever you want. He gave plain, clear, instructions which you refuse to follow. God COMMANDED His tithe be taken to THE LEVITES.

You aren't even paying God's tithe in the first place. Unless you are taking a tenth of crops and animals that were raised inside the boundaries of the Holy Land, it isn't even a Holy tithe, nor is it the tithe that God said belongs to Him.

Keep following mans word if you wish.
---Gary on 12/1/09


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When Jesus said Himself when He talked about the coin, the people asked to pay tribute (taxes & other) to Caesar, Matt. 22 v 21. render unto God the things that are God's (Tithes & Offerings), this Is enough reading for me to understand that Tithes & Offering Is Right.
---Lawrence on 12/1/09

You are adding the words tithes & offerings to God's Word. Matt 22:21 isn't referring to tithes and offerings, and even it is were, the ONLY tithe God ever claimed to be His was the Levitical tithe in Numbers 18. Since Hebrews 7:18 shows that Numbers 18 was disannulled, that tithe is no longer valid. God wants US, not our money.
---Gary on 12/1/09


to pastor jim

from reading your response you don't have self control. like the pharisees in the bible, they would start labelling others, when people disagree with them or making insults. it does not reflect your position as a pastor.

thank you
---mike on 12/1/09


You may call me ignorant, another calls my Pastor an heretic, what else? Your accusations dont disrurb or bother me, but p-Jim calling my Apostolic Pastor an heretic, he may laugh but he wont laugh long, It Will come back on him, God only knows when.
When Jesus said Himself when He talked about the coin, the people asked to pay tribute (taxes & other) to Caesar, Matt. 22 v 21. render unto God the things that are God's (Tithes & Offerings), this Is enough reading for me to understand that Tithes & Offering Is Right.
---Lawrence on 12/1/09


Lawrence - Until you really study the topic of tithing you will remain ignorant. Knowledge comes from real study, NOT listening to false teachers.

God will take care of His church. Pastor's don't need to lie to get the money necessary to keep the local church going. All they need is FAITH, and God will take care of it.

Read your Bible for a change. God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33. God said the tithe belongs to Him, and He gave it to the Levites, FOREVER (Numbers 18). Those who take God's tithe to a church are, literally, robbing God, breaking His command, and sinning against God Himself.

Grace giving goes with the priesthood of Jesus Christ.
---Gary on 11/30/09


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Ahh this is so simple, & without using carnal philosophy or theology.
Yes Tithing Is Right with Offerings to keep the doors of place of worship open & the gsa - water & elect on. It's Not the place of my Pastor to take it out of his job retirement & s sec to do so. If it were to come from donations, some may never give.
---Lawrence on 11/30/09


Tithing Is Right with Offerings to keep the worship building doors open, the gas - water & electric on. ---Lawrence on 11/30/09

Obviously you haven't researched the topic for yourself, but rather listen to false teachers. Your so-called pastor is just another one of those who lack faith that God will take care of His church, and finds a need to teach lies, like tithing.

In Numbers 18, God makes it perfectly clear that His tithe is to be taken to the Levites, FOREVER. The robbing God in Malachi 3 is that the tithe was NOT given to the Levites. Therefore, anyone who gives The Lord's tithe to their local church is also robbing God.
---Gary on 11/30/09


from "Show Me The Rapture Scriptures"...

PastorJim, those things dont save you. Following Gods laws and doing good works are evidences that you have the correct faith. They come naturally if you have put your faith solely in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I personally dont believe the Holy Spirit moves into a man's heart until we learn to let go of our own efforts and trust in Jesus Christ instead. Then and only then are we "as little children". At that moment we are able to be renewed in our minds instead of clinging to what we've been taught our whole lives.

Ive been on both ends of the argument. I never had fruit when I had no assurance of my salvation.
---JackB on 11/30/09


Its a far better life living by faith and knowing I am just in Gods eyes because I believe His promises.

Because of Gods promise through Christ I am free from the curse of the law. Not condemned. Free to serve God for the right reason instead of serving Him so I dont go to hell.

If its not comin from the heart Id venture to say that God doesnt want it. Living for Him shouldnt be burdensome. It will be if you dont love Him and are terrified of Him instead.

Biblical fear isnt TERROR. Its admiration and respect.

2 Timothy 1:7
1 John 4:18
---JackB on 11/30/09


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PastorB, sorry but thats how people in cults think.

Every denomination has false doctrine.

None of them have it perfect. Just as no one Christian is better than another. We all have our weaknesses and strengths in the faith. Thats how God wants it so that we rely upon one another.
---JackB on 11/30/09


Pastor J says... "My Church is the Church of my Lord Jesus Christ"

Is it really? ... We all belong to that, Pastor J, whether we be Baptist, Pentecostal, RC, CofE, PB, SB,Lutheran ... ... ...

.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/09


My Pastor Pastor's a number of people In God's Church Body(he doesn't have a church). God's Church was born on the day of Pentecost according Mark 16 v 16 - Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20, Gal 1 v's 8-9. Matt. 7 v 14. Tithing Is Right with Offerings to keep the worship building doors open, the gas - water & electric on.
The other relig-org's Are Man-mades & comes from here, 2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15.
---Lawrence on 11/30/09


MY CHURCH IS NOT A DEMON-MINATION!!!

My Church is the Church of my Lord Jesus Christ. Where there are NO Manmade Traditions. It is not your Country Club with Psuedo Beugious Carnal SO Called Christians. It is Gods! Who owns this Church and He paid for it by the Blood of his Son. I speak HIS words and will. Unlike your demon-mination that teaches ITS traditions above Gods Word, regardless of Hell!
So there are NO Mens Traditions or Sacred Idols (Infant Baptism, Pre Trib Rapture, Dispensationalism, or other heresies)

I do NOT ever Defend the Traditions of Men (as you all do) I speak and defend ONLY the Word of God. And if His Word offends you (like the Pharissees) then His word is NOT in you and you have no part in HIM!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/30/09


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He's prolly So. Baptist or Pentecostal.

You can tell by all the 'potluck' references.
Its a fearmongers demonination. One that scares people to question what they are taught in church so they never search the scriptures.

I was raised So. Baptist btw. I will never set foot in one again. Very judgemental church.
---JackB on 11/30/09


I've looked 3-4 days and P-Jim hasn't replied to Lawrence 's question about what church or denomination you pastor, Jim, is there a reason? I'm interested in what you have to say.
---Sissy on 11/29/09


2/2
The Roman Catholic church prohibited asking for tithes for centuries. The Protestants, until the nineteenth century, also shunned the practice. In both cases, the custom was started in order to build an edifice. Christians give voluntary offerings and alms with joy *3. Acts 15:20, 29 do not mention tithing. However, Romans 14.
*1 Acts 13:39, Romans 3:20, 28, 8:1-17, Galatians 1:6-9, 2:16, 3:10-13.
*2 Job 36:15, Psalm 12:5, 72:4, Ecclesiastes 7:7, Ezekiel 22:7, 29.
*3 Romans 15:26, 1Corinthians 16:1-3, 2Corinthians 8, 9:5 (covetousness), 7 (necessity = obligation, commandment).
---Glenn on 11/29/09


1/2
Preachers who try to place others under the curse of the law violate scripture *1. Tithes were salaries paid only in Israel by Israelites, on comestible crops, and clean domesticated animals (Leviticus 27:30-32). Tithes were not always accepted, Deuteronomy 23:18. Tithes were not paid on money owed, Matthew 5:23-24. A "Tithe" used for other than salaries, or exceeding the median salary, or excluding some workers, is a Malachi 3:9 curse, and was a form of theft. For the first few centuries, most giving was to the poor *2. Also, many church ministries, like many government ministries, are both extravagant and unaccountable to the common folk.
---Glenn on 11/29/09


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If tithing as law is still mandated, then the other 613 commandments are also in effect. And if so, Romans 4:1-16, 11:5-6, Galatians chapters 4-6, Ephesians 2:8-9, Colossians 2:8, 20-23. Personally, it took me some time to figure this out, but Pastor(s) who manipulate you to give to them, are usually the least 'faith filled' people in your congregation, the last to hear Gods' voice, and probably disqualified to hold the position of a bishop, Acts 20:17-35, 1Timothy 3:1-15, Titus 1:6-9 (10-16), 1Peter 5:1-3.
---Glenn on 11/29/09


Malachi 3:7 - Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them...

Pastors always leave out a key verse, above, and start quoting from Malachi 3:8.

The ordinances referred to in Malachi 3:7 are found in Numbers 18. Numbers 18 was disannulled, or cancelled, in Hebrews 7:18, therefore, robbing God of tithes and offering cannot possibly apply today.

IF God is truly a part of the church you belong to, members would cheerfully give all that is needed. Tithing is for pastors who don't have enough faith in God to take care of His own church.
---Gary on 11/24/09


Jim
Like to know what church you pastor, a trin-church, what denomination?
---Lawrence on 11/24/09


"Where I find those that have went to a trin-seminary & or even uses mans carnal theology with philosophy, I find them here, 2nd Tim. 3 v 7.
---Lawrence on 11/24/09

ARE YOU OKAY??? Are you referring to your self?? You are the one who gaves us philosopies amd intrepretations.

ALL I DID WAS QUOTE SCRIPTURE- WORD FOR WORD. SO YOUR ARGUEMENT IS BETWEEN YOU AND CHRIST NOW. "IS MEANS IS!" Martin Luther

Its up to you who you follow and Who is your Messiah. Your heretical Pastor, who you follow blindly and DARE NOT question! or Jesus? You decide!

I have given you the word straight from scripture, unaltered. I'm done.

Now it between You and Christ!
Gods final judegment will decide it!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/24/09


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Jim
No, My Apostolic Pentecost Pastor isn't an heretic.
Where I find those that have went to a trin-seminary & or even uses mans carnal theology with philosophy, I find them here, 2nd Tim. 3 v 7.
---Lawrence on 11/24/09


If a Christian is going to be inside Jesus's body as a spirit (new) creation, they must be an inner temple.

Acts 17:24....God...
..."does not live in shrines made by man, and is NOT SERVED BY HUMAN HANDS".

Being inside Jesus's body...verse 28
"we live and move and have our being".

John 8:36
"you will be free indeed".

Jesus established the new worship temple inside His body in "three days"...

John 2:21
"He was speaking of the temple of His body".

1 Corinthians 3:16
"Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?".

Verses are from the RSV. Argue the point if you will, but The Lord has spoken.
---more_excellent_way on 11/24/09


THEN YOUR PASTOR IS A HERETIC!

Read the bible only, stop following a man.
In your case an antichrist cultist. Not a pastor of God!

But a man who decides, on his own authority, what the bible says over what it really says. All for HIS OWN GLORY and WEALTH- NOT GODs GLORY.
Leading sheep to the cliff of APOSTASY!

Open your eyes and read what is truly written in scripture for your own sake.
(Be like the Berean Jews of Acts 17:11)

Decide if you will follow him... or HIM!

I am not only a Pastor, but a Rabbi, and a Theologian.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/23/09


p-Jim
I'm curiouse if you attended an trin - seminary, or even just using philosophy & theology this discussion?
In the scripture where it does say, and unto God the things that are God's, that is where the commandment is.
Like I did say earlier, my Pastor which is in a Pentecost Church, uses the Tithes & Offering for the Church use.
---Lawrence on 11/23/09


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Suzy, I would absolutely ask the Pastors that.

Tithing may not be mandatory, but Jesus did say, "Give and it SHALL be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together and runneth over."

I have been tithing since I was 16 and wasn't a Christian until I was 24 and I have been reaping the blessings of tithing and I'm 51 now. Why not give God something by faith? Why now show Him you mean business by keeping the Sabbath and by tithing? Even though we think they are Old Testament, God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
---Donna on 11/23/09


I believe tithing is voluntary and not mandatory,for today. If one wants to tithe it is ok,to do so. But if not, we are not under a curse.The church does need money to operate on, and to fulfill its mission. We should give as God prospers us. If people dont have money to give, they should not be made to feel like outcasts in the church. This is so wrong and ungodly. There are many ways to tithe. Not just in giving money. But money is the choice of most pastors and people who want your hard earned money to live on,themselves.
---Robyn on 11/23/09


You would to if you were a pastor. Who is going to teach and preach against their livelihood(in most cases) and regular paychecks? Wouldn't you won't to continue riding in your luxury cars,fine houses, eating in the best restaurants etc? Brag about your fine jewelry,expensive suits and so forth? And guess what? The kids get all the benefits as well! Sometimes moms and dads, sister and brothers get in on the money train. Everybody lives well but the congregants,parishioners or whomever we are these days!!!!!!!!!! No wonder people dont want to attend church. They can't afford to!
---Robyn on 11/23/09


WOW! You need to study scripture Lawrence!

He is talking about money which is the things of the world and the "Things of God" are the spiritual, not money. That is really obvious. Do you REALLY think God wants money too???

Again show me where it says in NT... Tithing is commanded( Legal 10%).

Perhaps in "The Gospel of Judas"?
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/23/09


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About the coin to pay tribute. Jesus asked, whos image & superscription is on the coin?, they said Caesars, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars(taxes & other), & unto God the things that are God's(Tithes & Offerings). The money you earned & have, 100% of it belongs to God, He owns it All in the first place. He's only asking for 10% of your gross earnings that is His. God could have been really harsh to say, you give me 80% & you keep the 10%. My Pastor has a good retirement from his job being sound control from a tv station & I.S.U. & his s-sec. The Tithes-Offerings come in he uses to pay the electic-gas-water etc bills, even to help people in need.
---Lawrence on 11/23/09


No preacher should preach at his people to give money
IF the people have not given their heart to the Lord, then forcing them to give money only makes them think they are somehow a better person without being "saved"
---june on 11/22/09


Hey Lawerence!

Have you REALLY studied tithing? If you had you would quickly learn that the FULL tithes EVERY third year went 100% to the poor. The 1/3 tithes were called "poor tithes" and were actually a form of social "welfare" tax in their day.

Today, about 3% of my income goes to social programs to help the poor through taxes.

Your render to Ceasar's and render to God verse is spot on. With Ceasar and NOT my church helping the poor today I would not expect a "curse" at all for only giving my church 7% like the other 3000 members!
---obewan on 11/22/09


Many pastors fail to realize that there are Two Covenants, Two Testaments, The Old and The New, they are not the same and you cannot reestablish the old which was nailed to the cross and done away with. The New Law is currently in force, and Salvation is found only in following Jesus's New Commandmnets. All whom try to resurrect the abolished laws of death and follow them for salvation will become cursed and worthless as the leaven will leaven the whole lump.
---Eloy on 11/22/09


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HEY LAWRENCE!

What book are you reading???

MATT 22v21 READS: "They said to Him, "Caesar's" Then He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesars,s and to God the Things that are God's."

So unless you're on drugs or reading out of the Book of Mormons.

I have no idea what you are quoting from or talking about!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/22/09


Matt. 22 v 21. render, in act of obedience to give Him Tenth. Even though God ownes the 100%, He is only asking for 10% out of that 100% in obedience. The tenth belongs to Him.
If they didn't give Caesars what is due to him, what did he do to the people that didn't? If you dont give to God what He's asking for, what do you think will happen to people in disobedience?

The True sabbath is saturday according to their calendar, in the which the Jewish people observe.
A gentile roman leader changed it to Sunday for the gentiles, the gentile calendar.
---Lawrence on 11/21/09


Since he went to Seminary and knows.

I have to say your "Pastor" is lying! Tithing is strictly the law. Heretics and false teachers use it line their pockets with money. No other reason!

Ask him why he isn't keeping Kosher?

Ask him to show you the specific verse in the NT, that says you should "Tithe" not give, but "Tithe" (legal 10%). Christians are to give the amount the Holy Spirit tells them to. It could from 0-100%.

I would run from this antichrist as fast as you can.

He is preaching heresy!
---PASTPR_JIM on 11/20/09


Sunday is not the Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week.
---amand6348 on 11/20/09


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Pastors say that titheing came before the law was given. Circumcision came before the law was given but they never mention that. Pastors who teach the law of giving 10 percent know that they will have more than enought money to support their church if they can squeeze 10 percent out of the congregation. Why can't they trust in God to supply all their church needs, they sure ask us to trust in God to supply all our needs. I have also heard that 10 percent of the congregations normally give 90 percent of the offerings. The other 90 percent give what they can. The curse of the law condemns those who don't give 10 percent unless they understand new covenant grace giving. Where God guides God provides!
---Bob on 11/20/09


to lawrence

so which is the sabbath, saturday or sunday?

and as for the tithe, you give because you want to give not you are forced to give. there is a difference.
---mike on 11/20/09


Still again, A tenth unto God. In the N-Testament about the penny. Matt 22 v 21, render unto the that which is Caesars = Taxes & other. Render unto that which is God's = Tithes & Offerings.
The sabbath, if your Truly Whole Heartedly In Jesus with His Plan of Salvation, He Is The sabbath & rest.
Man-made (2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15), has salvation plans which is Not Scriptural.
---Lawrence on 11/20/09


tithe is exploited & perverted. here is my experience. you will hear televangelist & pastors that tithe will prosper you bec. of the statement 'the doors of heaven will open & you will have no room for it'. and when it does not work for you they will say 'ye lack faith'.
another is we are not under the law but they continue to preach malachi which is in the OT law. the 3rd commandment says Remember the sabbath which they recognize as a law, but it says REMEMBER.
when it comes to money, preachers do not recognize it as law while others they do.
---mike on 11/20/09


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Tithing is an old testament commandment. The levitical priests did not have land as their inheritance, they had the tithes.

Are we still under the law?
Do we still need to pay tithes so that the priests can live?

We are now under Grace.
We are now told to give as the Lord prospers us. (1st Cor 16:2)
We are told that our Lord loves a cheerful giver.
2Co9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

One more question: Did the Law ever out give Grace?
---trey on 11/20/09


book of malachi give 10% & the doors of heaven will open that you won't have room for the blessings....
where does all the money go?

what about the book of proverbs like
HE WHO WORKS HIS LAND WILL HAVE ABUNDANT FOOD
SHARPEN YOUR SKILL & YOU WILL SUCCEED
lazy person will end up in poverty
& hunger in winter

eccl said 'knowledge, understanding & skill' will make you succeed

malachi & tithe is the favorite book of pastors to get rich. now they talk about sowing seed. that is why they lack knowledge & understanding because they don't deal with issues like we ordinary people have to deal everyday.
then they quote a verse so they can say they helped you with your problem
---jim on 11/20/09


Sabbath is saturday not sunday. it was changed to sunday by the catholic because of the resurrection. ( but there are other reason ).

but we are told to REMEMBER the sabbath not you shall not worship on sunday.

I believe that Sabbath is Saturday not sunday
---jim on 11/20/09


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