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No church is perfect. All have flaws, and we hear much about why people leave the "church". Tell us, those of you who stay in a church, WHY?

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Cluny, you are wrong again and I can understand why you oppose that view. Because it effects your own believes also. I didn't expect you to say it was true.
Rituals (works) by man to salvation. Get baptized, follow the mother church, eat Christ every Sunday, pay indulgences for those in Purgatory, since they are physically dead already and cannot do good works for themselves anymore, and the list goes on. Man's work' trying to get into heaven.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/11


\\In fact so many denominations are going back to the RCC's teachings of salvation by works.\\

Which is strange, because the Roman Catholic Church does not teach this.

Neither do the Orthodox, for that matter.
---Cluny on 1/3/11


What a shame that minister turned you and who knows how many away. :( I know I can't tithe--really I can't!--and it bothers me but I think God understands my circumstances, He knows I minister in other ways.
---Mary on 1/3/11


duane //The last time I was in Church, the pastor said some were getting the Gospel on the cheap for not tithing. I gave up on Churches to say the least.

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils.

And too often pastors feel that they would be more successful if they had more money, howbeit, if one would look deeper you would find they seek to glorify themselves.

Learn to follow Christ, not some pastor and find yourself a church that preaches the truth of the gospel.

Tithing is really a doctrine that someone dreamt up to replace the selling of indulgences to gain money.
---leej on 1/3/11


The last time I was in Church, the pastor said some were getting the Gospel on the cheap for not tithing. I gave up on Churches to say the least.
---duane on 1/3/11




Eloy, how could you be a pastor and preach the Word of God when you do not even know the Word of God yourself? How can you teach about salvation through the blood of Jesus when you think you have no need for salvation because you are sinless? How can you preach about God when you think you are God?
---Jed on 12/28/10

How?
Profit. Profit for a self made prophet. Legend in his own mine(d).
---Trav on 1/3/11


MarkV- I did not contribute to this blog...must have been another Donna.
But I was interested in your post. In spite of the hysteria some people exhibit about about Calvinism, I've never been to a church that really teaches it all. Many denominations hark back to the foundation of Calvinism, but bear little resemblance to it today.(Which is one reason I can't see anyone getting their knickers in knot over it.)
I go to a small unaffiliated baptist church that does NOT teach a Gospel of works. But many Christians find it kind of "boring" for this reason, I think. They want something to DO!
---Donna66 on 1/3/11


Mark V, I can relate to what you are saying.

Many, many years ago I finished serving my time in the Military. and moved to the city where I currently live.

It took me over three years to find a Church with was not caught up in the religions and and traditions created by people, and to find Biblicaly Sound Church.
---Rob on 1/3/11


Donna66, It took me a long time to find a Church who taught the Sovereignty of God teachings. My wife and I walked into many churches which were baptist, and most of them have gone back to the old man's traditions of the RCC. In fact so many denominations are going back to the RCC's teachings of salvation by works. In some places we stayed for half an hour and had to leave because of what they were teaching. Not too many denominations have stayed Protestant. I also belong to "The Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals". which consist of many denominations teaching the Sovereignty of God through Reformed theology.
---Mark_V. on 1/2/11


Donna, there are many unsaved people that attend churches: just as standing in a garage does not make you a car, so also being in a church does not make one a christian. And so experience shows us that one sinner inside of a church can destroy much good.
---Eloy on 12/31/10




Yes, Eloy, we've heard that one from you before. I think that must be your favorite phrase but do you actually know what unregenerate means?

unregenerate:
Adjective: Not reforming or showing repentance, obstinately wrong or bad.

Eloy, am I unregenerate simply because I refuse to say that you are God? You know nothing about me or who I am other than I believe you are not God.

Wouldn't you be the one who is unrepentant since you claim you have no need to repent as you have no sin?
---Jed on 12/31/10


jed, hard-hearted, The unregenerate continue to mock, and the Christians will continue with The Truth.
---Eloy on 12/30/10


Jed, you've expressed my sentiments exactly.

And I'm sure you speak for others as well.
---Cluny on 12/29/10


I have church at home & as said before I teleconference on Sundays. During the week I listen to recorded talks from different brethern from all over the USA. I also recieve emails from others and call them on the phone.I am a biblestudent & serving God daily the best I can. I donot need a big building with hundereds of people whom i can't remember names, instead first I need a solid relationship with God & his son Jesus,second fellowship with other believers of the bible.
---candice on 12/29/10


Eloy, how could you be a pastor and preach the Word of God when you do not even know the Word of God yourself? How can you teach about salvation through the blood of Jesus when you think you have no need for salvation because you are sinless? How can you preach about God when you think you are God?
---Jed on 12/28/10


\\ this does not stop my Almighty Spirit to minister the gospel.\\

Are you now claiming that the Holy Spirit proceeds from you, Eloy?
---Cluny on 12/28/10


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John, I recall the Pennsylvania state lottery ticket was, blue #1, and I followed the directions and I mailed the winning ticket to the address written on the back of the ticket, but I never heard back from them. I recall on the news on TV that they said the person who was doing the numbers was crooked and was cheating with the ping pong balls, or something like that. I have never ever played since then, and that was over 30 years ago before I moved to California.
---Eloy on 12/29/10


alan, Thank you alan. I know what the proper relationship of the pastor is to his sheep. The sheep are God's and the house is God's, but the pastor is entrusted to their care..."Jesus says to Simon Peter, Simon of Jonah, love you me? He confesses to him, Yea, Lord, you know that I love you. Jesus says to him, Feed my sheep."
---Eloy on 12/29/10


//My god,(aka Eloy)

What happened to the lottery money you won?
---John on 12/28/10

His ex-wife ran off with all of it.
---joey on 12/28/10


My god,(aka Eloy)

What happened to the lottery money you won?
---John on 12/28/10


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Eloy ... the preparation can be done in your own home.

If you have a few parishioners, you should be able to fit in a home, perhpas rotating round the members

If you have lots of parishioners, then between you you could perhaps hire hall for the services.

But remember, it is not your church. Your congregation is part of the worldwide church that is God's. And in wolrdly terms, it is not your church, but that of all the members of you congreagtion.

The preacher does not own the church, he serves the people.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/28/10


\\What is notable and apparent is that Christ the Apostles, even the prophets did the open air thing. The sheep came or we wouldn't have what we have.\\

"Open air things" were not the norm in the New Testament, but what does this have to do with anything.
---Cluny on 12/28/10


This desire for power explains your shenanigans here, where you actually think that deep down inside, you are less than others, and thus you claim that God tells you what say--which He clearly does not.
---Cluny on 12/27/10

What is notable and apparent is that Christ the Apostles, even the prophets did the open air thing. The sheep came or we wouldn't have what we have.
The new requirements if you notice from the prophet (profit)...is $$$ guido and a power trip box. Note supporters offering advice on how to raise money. Probably wouldn't donote though...didn't see any plates passed...did you?
The truth is free....but,so unobtainable even their elusive $$ couldn't/won't buy it.
---Trav on 12/28/10


---Eloy on 12/27/10 I hear you
---FRANCIS on 12/28/10


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cluny, I evangelize daily. An evangelist is a preacher without a church, and there are many many many many many of us. Because I do not have a building, this does not stop my Almighty Spirit to minister the gospel. I also preach daily here on this website, and many have been blessed thereby. His praise will continually be upon my lips. Hallelujah, and every disser in the world will be condemned. Hallelujah. The Almighty reigns, now and ever always. Amen.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


francis, first you have to have a building in order to shelter the parishoners from the outdoor elements. Next, you prepare a sermon, the syllabus, a subject to preach on with supporting scriptures, and have accompanying songs. There is invoking and worship and praying and and praise, and ministering to the members in the body, and invitations for salvation.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


Obewan, I wish I could afford that kind of money every week, than I could hold a service like you said.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


\\BTW, mima, the Ethiopian eunuch was not a Christian at that point, but a practicioner of some form of Judaism.
---Cluny on 12/26/10

LOL that is just too funny.\\

I thought you had enough sense to realize the meaning of the words "at that point"--that is, until he met St. Philip the Deacon.

**My long desire is to have my own church, but I don't have the money for a building.**

Eloy, did you ever stop to think that were you really called by God, as you claim to be, you WOULD be a pastor by now?

This desire for power explains your shenanigans here, where you actually think that deep down inside, you are less than others, and thus you claim that God tells you what say--which He clearly does not.
---Cluny on 12/27/10


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Cluny, the suffering servant in Isaiah which in the original context, referring to God's servant, which was Israel yet under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the first writer in the New T. said that God's servant in Isaiah was being fulfilled by God's Servant, Jesus Christ. Israel was also called a "Vine" yet Jesus was called the true 'vine."
---Mark_V. on 12/27/10


My long desire is to have my own church, but I don't have the money for a building.
---Eloy on 12/27/10
How can you have your own church?
Explain to me how that works?
---francis on 12/27/10


The church is not a building it is a movement of people. If you want to start a church start in your home and build from the example Paul has given those who are called.

Are you called?
---Carla on 12/27/10


Eloy:

You know you don't have to start out with a church building. Plenty of churches getting started meet in public school auditoriums, movie theaters, or rented store fronts. Sometimes a high school auditorium can be rented for only $100 a week or something like that.
---Obewan on 12/27/10


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BTW, mima, the Ethiopian eunuch was not a Christian at that point, but a practicioner of some form of Judaism.
---Cluny on 12/26/10

LOL that is just too funny.
Sometimes you have great serious post, and sometimes...well just read what you posted LOL

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him JESUS.
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that JESUS CHRIST is the Son of God. Acts 8:38 and he baptized him.

And yet according to CLUNY this man is not yet a christian?
Well here is why you are funny: Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
---francis on 12/27/10


---Eloy one way you can solve your problem is by having a radio program say 15 minutes once a week which will cost you about $25 a week. While I do not agree with a lot of things you say, still I'm interested in you haveing the opportunity to say them.
---mima on 12/27/10


Eloy ... So often here we are reminded that the church is not a building, but is the body of beleivers.

That is what your church should be ... a body of believers whom you have brought together. They could meet in your home, or move round the homes af all.

Once you have established that group, and if God wants you to have a building in which to meet, that is when you will need the money.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/10


My long desire is to have my own church, but I don't have the money for a building.
---Eloy on 12/27/10

I thank GOD for it. Your hearts desire is only to be revered. An authority who has none.
GOD has protected the innocents from you. May he continue to do so...Amen.
Sincerly Trav.
---Trav on 12/27/10


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Eloy, I have a friend in Kenya who holds church under a tree. Several years ago, I also met a man at the gym who has church in a nearby park every week.
---AlwaysOn on 12/27/10


My long desire is to have my own church, but I don't have the money for a building.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


As I said elsewhere, the earthly church will always have flaws and imperfections, because it's made up of flawed and imperfect people, such as you and me.

But regardless of how full it is of sinners and hypocrites, the wonderful thing is that there is ALWAYS room for one more!

BTW, mima, the Ethiopian eunuch was not a Christian at that point, but a practicioner of some form of Judaism.
---Cluny on 12/26/10


Think about the humility, and discipline it takes for one to say: " I do not understand, can you help me with this passage?" No doubt that man was very well discipled.

Instead of just making some assumption about the suffering savious, he had it within him to ask the question. To go even further, he was so well discipled, that he accepted the answer, and requested baptism, which is the next logical step.
---francis on 12/26/10


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\\The eunuch was not to well disciplined because when Philip asked him if he understood what he was reading, he answered how can I accept someone explain it to me.\\

Would it be worth pointing out that the question the eunuch (traditionally named Djan Djarabba) asked and his possible answers is still believed to day by many Orthodox Jews: namely, that the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is the Jewish people as a whole?
---Cluny on 12/26/10


The eunuch was not to well disciplined because when Philip asked him if he understood what he was reading, he answered how can I accept someone explain it to me.
---mima on 12/26/10


To which I answered, who discipled the Eunuch after Philip was taken away from him? (Could it possibly have been the Holy Spirit)
---mima on 12/25/10
Possible, but this man was already very well discipled. After all, he came all the way from ethiopia to worship at the temple.
That is what good discipling would do.
He is now in a position to disciple others.
---francis on 12/25/10


//Even if we went out on our own, and started our own churches, they would soon be flawed. because we are human.

And that was certainly the case with olde Ellen White, whom Adventists believe was some kind of divine channel of God's truth that others in the church were never granted.
---leej on 12/25/10


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Someone once posed this question to me. If we do not stay in the church how can we practice discipleship? This man was big on discipleship. To which I answered, who discipled the Eunuch after Philip was taken away from him? (Could it possibly have been the Holy Spirit)
---mima on 12/25/10


Jesus of course knew that there were flaws in the administration of the temple, and temple worship. Yet he did not discourage anyone from attending temple, or obeying the pharasees

Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Matthew 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Individuals still have a responsibility to obey God, even if their leaders make mistakes. We stay in Church, because it is the will of God.

Even if we went out on our own, and started our own churches, they would soon be flawed. because we are human.
---francis on 12/24/10


francis //I would say that the church doctrine should be perfect. People are of course sinners.

And of course, that doctrine should reflect "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints".


Jude 3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

And denominations that preach such things as the Investigative Judgment and that there are other writings on the same shelf with Scripture are clearly guilty of doctrines not not not found in that faith once for all delivered to the saints.
---leej on 12/24/10


TV church is something like First United Methodist or First Baptist televised for shut ins and people who don't go in person.

Where I go to church every other sermon is video anyway since they have 55,000 members at 3 campuses in town.

I do not forsake assembling together because I go to Bible study at Sunday school so I guess I am at least 1/2 Biblical. LOL
---obewan on 12/20/10


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\\I sneak out and go home to watch TV church after Sunday school.\\

What is TV church?

I don't find that anywhere in the Bible.
---Cluny on 12/20/10


I stay for fellowship. But, I sometimes skip things that I am not excited about.

Currently, I go to a singles Sunday school Bible study which has good teaching and good fellowship. I don't care for the preaching in the main service though so I sneak out and go home to watch TV church after Sunday school. So far I have not been caught yet.
---obewan on 12/20/10


When Christians gather to fellowship and worship, we must acknowledge that it is the love of God that brings us together. For in His love, He will teach us how to love one another His way and not our fleshly sinful ways.

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them." Matthew 18:20 - And if Christ is there in His Spirit, you will experience, "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance..." Galatians 5:22,23
---christan on 12/20/10


\\ It is his contention that the closer a person gets to God in their worship and praise and praying the farther away they will get from the denominational church. \\

There's no such thing as a non-denominational church (except for Orthodox, which is pre-denominational).

EVERY congregation, even if independent, will be found to fit quite nicely into one of the already existing denominations.

In most cases, theses independent congregations are started by someone who decided, "Now we're finally going to have a REAL New Testament Church with ME as the head."
---Cluny on 12/20/10


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No church is perfect. All have flaws, and we hear much about why people leave the "church". Tell us, those of you who stay in a church, WHY?


Interesting!
I would say that the church doctrine should be perfect. People are of course sinners.

Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
---francis on 12/20/10


Or is it possible that people dont go to church because some churches make them feel isolated from the love of Christ...

especially if they dont fit into their doctrinal clique.

I recently started attenting a church named Simple Church. Best one Ive ever been too. There are multiple denomination. We do not discuss doctrine at all. The pastor teaches us how to live the life of Jesus Christ and set our differences aside. The way things should be.
---JackB on 12/20/10


Most miss the whole point about churches, and that is, it is not the bad pastors or mean people in the church why many don't go, it is because of sin. People blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus but it was the sin of the world why He died. In church it is still the sin of the world that the church has a lot of trouble with. So long as there is sin, you will have a mixture in the church. In the Apostolic church, there was many false prophets already in them. God's Word nevertheless tells us to assemble. Many who leave the church who are genuine Christians, only leave those others to stand on their own. They go outside the assemby telling others to leave. It is no wonder the churhes are what they are now. Why not blame your own sin?
---Mark_V. on 12/20/10


I left a mega church because the women were very catty and gossiped to much and the pastor had a very arrogant attitude. He always commented on his degrees, how nice his car was, and how smart he was. I thought it was just me being critical so I prayed for him and everyone who felt the way I did. It wasn't long before people I knew stopped coming. Every comment was the same. The ego's were to big and it was obvious. I was told by a woman in a position at the church that I wasn't welcome there anymore. I was shocked and hurt because I was always very nice to everyone , even when I could hear then talk about me. The church I attend now is small but they do so much for the community. My children and I love it there.
---deb. on 12/19/10


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mima, that's an interesting idea the person shared with you.

My first reaction was that the idea could be close to the truth. However, one has to follow Christ, and just maybe, maybe, Christ gives someone the grace to stay and witness in an institutional church. People go to prisons to witness. There's no reason why someone may not to stay in an institutional church to witness. However, they will probably get pushed out.

I know, I am a bit overt in my opinion and probably state it stronger than I mean for it to be.

But there is some truth to the idea the person shared with you.
---Rod4Him on 11/24/09


Yesterday a person visited me who has the following idea.
It is his contention that the closer a person gets to God in their worship and praise and praying the farther away they will get from the denominational church. Several of my friends have experienced being pushed out of their particular churches, and these churches are of all denominations, and for the young and beginning soulwinner can be very worrisome troubling and confusing.
---mima on 11/24/09


sissy, you said: Being outside the Church, the devil will drag you down even more & you may never get back up.

I got news for you sissy, the devil has taken more shots at me, more than I can count over the last 26 years and guess what? The Word of God says, "HE ALWAYS CAUSES US TO TRIUMPH Through Christ Jesus."

As long as you are yoked to Jesus, in love with Him, wanting to Obey His Word and Do His Will at all cost, God will always give you the Victory through Christ Jesus, Our Lord and Savior. Be encouraged, the devil is a liar. He uses lies when people don't know the word of God and don't obey it.
---Donna on 11/24/09


joseph, you got your first paragraph right. Since Christ is the head of the church, at the home church, I believe Christ has more freedom.
The home church still has overseers, but they submit to one another also.
I don't claim to be perfectly knowledgable in this concept. All I know is that the institutional church is very lacking.
Notice that this second part of my post lists some of the things that should happen in "church." They almost never happen in the institutional church.
The institutional church is soo organized there's not much room for Christ to work in one another.
The home church may not be perfect, but it's closer than the institutional church.
---Rod4Him on 11/24/09


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We were created for fellowship with God,therefore,God put within humankind the need to connect. The need was put there so we would yearn or desire to connect with God but it also shows up in how we relate on earth toward others. When people stay in a church which actually should be left I think they feel more comfortable with the familar plus they have developed some true friends while there and hate to leave them. Any time we have to start all over again there is a twinge of guilt almost like it is we who failed although the real reasons we had to leave weren't anything to do with us. Change is never easy therefore people avoid it.
---Darlene_1 on 11/24/09


\\ "Church" needs defined.\\

I think Jesus pretty well defined it.
---Cluny on 11/24/09


What stood out concerning Rod4Him's defined distinctions is that the home church would have no need for "spiritual" leadership other then the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit within each of the individual participants. For if He is truly present, all things will "be done decently and in order" and that would be a beautiful thing. But, If not, well.....
Structure is critical to any gathering. Organized systems of religion with apostles, pastors, deacons, teachers, ushers, ect. Defines positions of structural authority within the organization, thus providing decency and order, while at the same time providing a set meeting place for the fellowship of a large group of believers, and those who are sick/lost and in need.
---joseph on 11/24/09


"Church" needs defined.

If the "church" used in this question is the institutional church, I can only answer it from past experience, and from some people I know that stay there.
1) Security, someone else plans the show, all I have to do is watch.
2) It feels good to satisfy a religious feeling.
3) Some friends go.
4) Sincere people don't know what else to do.
5) Try to contribute to a ministry.
6) To get beat up for failing God.
If the "church" is a home type.
1) For fellowship
2) To pray for one another
3) To encourage one another
4) To stimulate one another
5) To help one another, maybe financially
6) To seek God's will together
7) To study the Bible together
---Rod4Him on 11/23/09


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Well, we do have self-serving pastors who misunderstand the directions that the Holy Spirit gave us through our Apostle Paul. But whatever Paul has been given for us works very well in God's love and leading. We might have at least one example, here, of someone who has been judging Paul's writings by how wrong people have misrepresented Paul's epistles. So, it is good to do what Paul says - - but the way the Holy Spirit has us doing this > including Philippians 2:14-16 and Ephesians 4:31-32 about how to love, and Ephesians 5:17-33 for marriage, and 1 Timothy 3:1-10 about who qualifies to be considered for ordination.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/23/09


Some leave because there is truly poisonous leadership or they have suffered deep wounds by fellow members. This is understandable, but the key to any decision to leave the church is the same key on whether to join a congregation - prayer.

Pray until you know and if you don't know keep praying.
---larry on 11/23/09


Cluny: "this is what Jesus founded?"
I think if you read the NT you will see that it was "Paul" who "invented" Churches.like the 7 in Asia Minor!
Jesus set up NO churches,but sent out evangelists to all the world!
It was Paul who thought up Pastors,Elders Deacons etc.. with a whole bunch of rules governing "the church!"
After all he wrote (13 out of 27)1/2 the NT that most preachers quote to support their belief!
---1st_cliff on 11/23/09


I stay in church because the Bible and God say to - "Do NOT forsake the assembling of yourselves". Yes, all churches have problems, this is because they are full of humans who ALL have flaws. Jesus said that it is the sick that need doctors, not the well. We are ALL human, and ALL have sickness called sin - therefore we ALL need Doctor Jesus to help heal us. Also, the Bible says we are ALL the body of Christ. We can NOT funtion properly without eachother, this is why church is so important. If obedience to God and His Word is not reason to go to church, I don't know what is.
---Leslie on 11/23/09


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I stay in Church because I believe in God.
That's right. No Church is perfect. If you fall, God is there to help you up. Being outside the Church, the devil will drag you down even more & you may never get back up. A Church is not the building. It's the people, some may judge, then they'l be judged by God. In Church is the fellowship and the Spirit. But, one should find God's Church that they feel comfortable in.
---Sissy3396 on 11/23/09


I don't stay in church, but I have meetings at my house instead. I invite "whosoever will come."

I think we misunderstood the scripture that says, don't forsake the gathering of the brethren. In the book of Acts, they gathered in each other's homes and sold all they had so that no one was in need.

They got together for prayer, worship, breaking bread, etc., Not for taking up building funds, or creating programs to get people into the church, etc.,
---Donna on 11/23/09


Perhaps I do not get enough of bad treatment from the world. So might it be good somehow to go to a church to get beaten up some more from so-called christians?
---Eloy on 11/23/09


Because this is what Jesus founded.

And no matter how full the church is of hypocrites, there's ALWAYS room for one more.
---Cluny on 11/22/09


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I stay in church for 2 very simple reasons, 1st, Jesus Christ died for the church and therefore I feel that I should consider it very important to Him and secondly, of all the obnoxious, hard-headed, ignorant, unkind people there might be in any particular church I am potentially the worst one there and if God will save someone like me, He surely can do the same for anybody else, right?
---tommy3007 on 11/22/09


I stay in my church because after my divorce, I prayed and asked the Lord where He would want me to use my gifts and talents. It hurt to much to stay in the church where I worshipped with my husband for ten years.

My church has a burden for the poor, and the community in general. The people I have gotten to know seem genuine, and not fake. My pastor is a humble man, who is true to preaching God's Word, and does not twist the scriptures to suit himself.
---Trish9863 on 11/22/09


Well, I trust God to do what He wants with me, and now I'm staying in a church (o: I prayed for Him to make me honest and humble so I could connect with real Jesus people who obey Him, and now I find that I am with people who are more real than I am in love and obeying God. And in cases when I have found I had a problem with someone in this church, it could turn out later that I was being paranoid and critical. "It's what you make it, how you take it . . . just don't *you* fake it (o: If anybody can get your goat, you need to get that goat *out* of you, so no one can get it, and get the Lamb of God in there, instead (Galatians 4:19)" (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/22/09




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