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Is there any human in the past or present who has not sinned except Jesus?

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Exzucuh, "Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. If they have called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his household? The dissing Jews said to the blind man who received sight from Jesus, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner. Jesus said, Which of you maligns me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you all not believe me? Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his Lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you, if they have kept my saying, they will keep your's also." I John 4:17+ Matthew 10:25+ John 9:24+ 8:46+ 15:20."
---Eloy on 11/30/09


God's people must understand,when they are tempted but fight the urge to be sinful,they have not sinned. If they have an impure thought,fight it in Jesus Name,and do not allow it to take root in their thoughts,they have not sinned. 2 Corinthians 11,14 And no marvel for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Satan comes as an angel of light and goes to and fro through the Earth seeking whom he may devour 1 Peter 5,8 be sober,be vigilant,because your adversary the devil,as a roaring lion,walketh about seeking whom he may devour. Satan is a thief always trying to steal God's people,John 10:10 The thief cometh not,but to steal,to kill,and to destroy:. To avoid sin,pray and praise without ceasing,keep your minds stayed on the Lord.
---Darlene_1 on 11/30/09


Exz ... Forget the "if"

It often pays to look back through these blogs

You may find MarkV's post of 11/28 illuminating
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/09


duane said: Christians are saints not sinners, we have been made righteous through Christ.

duane, Christians are REPENTENT sinners.

1st John 1:9 says, "IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If Christians are saints not sinners, then why is John writing to Christians, telling them that IF they confess their sin, He is faithful to forgive us?

Christians still need forgiveness, that's why that scripture in 1st John is important to NOT neglect.

Christians are REPENTENT sinners.
---Donna on 11/30/09


so does that mean the pope does not sin?
---mike on 11/30/09




Eloy is not right if he said he has never sinned. ---Eloy on 11/29/09 But in this post he is right because it is the word of God he has spoken. ---MarkV. on 11/29/09 is right in saying you will sin as long as you are in the flesh. But he is wrong to make you think you cannot get out of the flesh, Carnality is Satan's seed and produces offspring, the son's of perdition. The unclean spirit must be reborn, ,changed, regenerated, translated out of darkness to walk in the Spirit so you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh to remain the son of perdition. We must become born again Son's of God.
---Exzucuh on 11/30/09


Exz ... Eloy is right when he says he has NEVER sinned?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/09


Eloy is right because he is saying what the word says, not trying to compromise with weak flesh that cannot live for God, because they do not walk in his Spirit. Just because you see circumstances in your life that does not line up with scripture, that does not change the meaning of scripture. It means you need to find out why you cannot live according to God's word.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09


Duane, I have agreed with many things you have quoted and I have a lot of respect for you. I haven't liked answering this questions only because of you. I don't want to disagree with you but in this case I have to. You are still in the world, you flesh is alive an well I hope. And until it dies and you get a whole new body, one that is prepared for eternity, you will struggle with sin and many times you will sin. You don't have to call yourself a sinner, if you don't want to, and continue to say you are not, that is fine with me, but the fact is you will still sin. There is even sins of omission. Something you should have done and didn't do for someone. The sin factor will not go away until the flesh dies.
---MarkV. on 11/29/09


right is knowing what is right to do, and doing it: sin is knowing what is right to do, and doing it not: there are right-doers, and there are sin-doers: not all are sinuous, and not all are righteous: We the born-again saints from Christ have the mind of Christ, and are made the righteousness of Christ: but the unregenerate of the world have not the mind of Christ, and are made the sinuousness of the devil: and all will know whether a soul is saved and born from Christ or not, by the fruits that the individual bears, by those things that the person says and does: the fruit from a person determines whether they are a good tree, or else a rotten tree, for the tree is known by the fruit that it bears.
---Eloy on 11/29/09




Alan,If a so called Christian willfully does sinful deeds,then he isnt living by faith in God. I dont think he is a Christian.. Just to go out and do sinful deeds shows mental illness or hatred of good.
---duane on 11/29/09


Duane ... I think that at last I understand what you mean ... that while your flesh still sins, your spirit does not, so you count yourself to be sinless.

What would your position be if you deliberately sin, say you steal some property or someone's wife, or deliberately lie, or even just deliberately ignore a starving man whom you could feed ?

Would you say that that was just a sin of your flesh, but your spirit remains innocent?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/09


Read all my posts on this subject...if you cant see the truth, then you need prayer.
I can only proclaim the truth(Christ crucified)
There is nothing left to explain. You either believe IN HIM and HIS work or you dont.
Your set free from sin or your not. Your a
sinner or your made righteous.
Your a believer or an unbeliever.
---duane on 11/29/09


---mima on 11/29/091 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:3-4 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Paul was talking to Christians who were born again but they were going back to their flesh
they were dieing spiritually.

Matthew 12:43-44 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out, and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

The old man can return.
---Exzucuh on 11/29/09


Those that are saved cannot sin in their spirits. Why? Because their spirit has been reborn(born-again) renewed if you will, by the Holy Spirit of God. And that Holy Spirit of God which indwells them keeps them from sinning.
The flesh is guilty of sinning the spirit is not!!!
---mima on 11/29/09


You think your spirit does not sin, False doctrine is spiritual adultery. If you live by your own mind and do not have the mind of Christ, you are an idol worshiper, you worship a image in your mind that you have created, that you say is Christ.

Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Jesus was talking about spiritual fornication. You can die spiritually and still be alive in the flesh.
---exzucuh on 11/29/09


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Mark,You have to really read what I say, not just assume what I mean. In the flesh all men are considered sinners. Christ never claimed to save the flesh from sin,as it will die. We as Christians have a new life, therein lies our freedom from sin, our salvation AND our new identity(saint). I am who I am because of HIM.Not a sinner anymore, I have been made righteous. The old is gone. Now I live in newness of LIFE, NOT sin and death.

I think you understand my position and I will never, ever deny what the Cross has done. That would be very foolish indeed.
May the Lord grant you wisdom.
---duane on 11/29/09


duane - My position is the same as JackB.

While our spirit does not sin, our flesh does.

the Apostle Paul in Romans 7 does not claim he has reached perfection but still struggled with sin.

Romans 7:14-17 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate...So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Truly those who claim they are free of sin have lost contact with realiity, in short they have become blind to their own sinfulness.
---Lee1538 on 11/29/09


Duane, with love I say this, all believers are still in need of the Savior. Until you die you will be in need of Him. He is your Advocate. "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you many not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righeous"
I don't know how long you will hold on to these believe that you are completely sinless, but Scripture declares that, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth it not in us" So if you declare you are sinless, you declare there is no truth in you. And worse, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and the His word is not in us"
---MarkV. on 11/29/09


Lee or whoever,
Correction...
A Christian(saint) is NOT still in need of a saviour, we HAVE a savior, Christ in us.
A sinner is still in need of a savior.

We are NOT sinners saved by grace,
We WERE sinners and are now saved by grace.

Most believe what Adam did for mankind(made them sinners) but most so called Christians dont believe what Christ did for them.(made them righteous) Please dont be ashamed of the Cross. Dont deny HIM.
It is essential we believe in the work of the Cross. Quoting and knowing bible verses wont save anyone. Its do you believe IN HIM and HIS work on the Cross. HE is the only way.
By grace through faith IN HIM.
---duane on 11/29/09


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Except for the Lord Jesus, all have sinned & come short of God's glory. (Ro. 3:23) The Bible also teaches God's ways are higher than our ways & surpasses our understanding in all matters. (Is. 55:7-9, Phil. 4:7)

So, who are we to say what happened with Enoch & Elijah, & what happens to infants who are aborted or otherwise die in their infancy, or people who live in the remotes regions of the world? God is righteous & just to all!!!
---Leon on 11/29/09


trey -//Sounds like we are all sinners in need of a Savior.

Very true we are sinners saved by grace thru faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

But there are those who believe that once we accept Christ, we instantly become perfect in our walk. But that belief is at odds with the reality found in the Scriptures.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


MarkV -//Something is really wrong with you Eloy. You did not need a Savior at all, for only sinners need Christ. You are just friends with Christ and saints since you existed from all eternity.

What he really needs to do is to go back and study the fundamentals of the Christian faith, namely Christian doctrine.

I reckon that I was once a babe in Christ and going every direction at one time but after much prayer, study and fasting, the Lord gave me the ability to see what constituted the gospel message,how to be led by His Spirit and become fruitful. Hopefully Eloy will take this good advice.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


//It amazes me that anyone can believe they can go on sinning in the flesh after repentence.

Very true and scripture attests to that -

1 John 1:9 ESV No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for Gods seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 ESV We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

The key idea here is once a person is in Christ, he will experience a change in his nature to not want to sin. However, he will still have a struggle with the old nature of which he needs to have the victory over. Romans 7:23
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


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Romans 7:5-6 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

there is still a struggle with the flesh.

Paul makes that abundantly clear when he stated 'but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members'.

One really has to be very blind to not see that one still sins, but JackB is correct that we have been placed in Christ and sin is no longer credited to our account.
---Lee1538 on 11/28/09


It amazes me that anyone can believe they can go on sinning in the flesh after repentence. A dose of old time Religion would do some people good,it taught you go to Hell if you sin no ifs,ands,or buts,period. Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ,and make not provision for the flesh,to fulfil the lusts thereof. Galations 5:24 And they that are Christs have crucified the flesh with the affections and lust. Romans 6:16,23, Know you not to whom you yield your selves servants to obey,his servants you are to whom you obey,whether of sin unto death,or of obedience unto righteousness. For the wages of sin is death,
---Darlene_1 on 11/28/09


Here is what I believe:
Ps14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Ps14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Ro3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Sounds like we are all sinners in need of a Savior.
---trey on 11/28/09


Eloy, your mind is distorted. You said,
"he bore was not his own, just as the hell cast upon Job and myself and all the saints from the beginning of time belonged to none of us"
You compare yourself equal to Christ, yet you did more then Christ, you cleaned toilets. Then you put yourself in the company of Job and all the saints, and declare you have always been sinless from the beginning of time. You had also declared that you were the light that Jesus saw on the Cross.
I am not surprise your wife left you for another man. Something is really wrong with you Eloy. You did not need a Savior at all, for only sinners need Christ. You are just friends with Christ and saints since you existed from all eternity.
---MarkV. on 11/28/09


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JackB, you speak falsehood: "For WHEN WE WERE IN THE FLESH, the passions of sins, which were aroused by the law, did work in our members to bring forward fruit onto death. BUT NOW WE ARE DELIVERED from the law, having died to what we were held by. PRETEND THEN I DO THAT WHICH I SHOULD NOT, I confess that the law right. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me: NOW PRETEND I DO WHAT I SHOULD NOT, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. Therefore NOW NO CONDEMNATION to them which ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS MADE ME FREE from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:5,6,16,17,20+ 8:1,2.
---Eloy on 11/28/09


Alan, When God allows the destroyer to destroy you, as he has to me and to Job, and we tell God, "Stop it, and let me alone", that is not sin. But I can see from other's eyes how they can misinterpret hell coming into a saint's life as being sin, yet it is not any sin coming from us but instead it is sin being thrown upon us from the enemy outside. One can throw dirt upon me and make me dirty, but then the dirt upon me is not mine own but belongs to that one whom threw it upon me. Just as Jesus sustained the sins from others and became sin, but it was not his own because he is sinless, so the sin he bore was not his own, just as the hell cast upon Job and myself and all the saints from the beginning of time belonged to none of us.
---Eloy on 11/28/09


JackB to Eloy -**You flesh however does (sin). Paul explains that in Romans chapter 7.

The Lord has given His church teachers and we need to learn from them. However, there are some that simply want to focus on their own flesh believing they have become sinless upon conversion. Such a spirit is not of God but comes from somewhere else.
---Lee1538 on 11/27/09


Your identity is not in Adam(flesh) Your identity is your new birth. Christ in us. We have life, we ARE overcomers. Not sinners anymore, but made righteous.Sinners have no life, they shall not enter.Saints are dead to sin. Saints are alive to God.The wages of sin is death.
Most in this blog deny the Cross by saying they are still sinners when in fact Christ set them free from sin. Sad to say the least.
---duane on 11/27/09


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It is true that a christian can sin but he does not have to, If he does he is backslid and must repent. What exactly are you calling sin you need to define it. Are you talking about adultry, lying, fornication, murder,stealing. If you are doing these things you are not a christian you are going to hell.
If you are talking about faults they are not sin they are human errors done by accident and
we are told to confess our faults so we can forgive each other. All Christians have faults but they are not Christians if the willfully sin.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


1 John 2:1f. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I guess Eloy needs not the Advocate since he no longer sins. If he had any knowledge of the lives of the saints, he would see they always grieved because of their sinfulness. Of course, he also must believe the Apostles Paul was under some kind of delusion when he stated "For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing". Romans 7:19.

Hopefully one of these days he will realize he is as much of a sinner as anyone else that is a believer in Jesus, meanwhile his sins will go unforgiven.
---Lee1538 on 11/27/09


Eloy, its pretty evident from reading the Bible that your spirit is born again. And your spirit which is born of God does not sin. You flesh however does.
Paul explains that in Romans chapter 7.

All Christians still sin but it is not IMPUTED to us because we are not under the law anymore but under grace.

The thought of that is supposed to give us a newfound love and respect for God and His commandments. Its not supposed to cause us think to we do no wrong and therefore free to do whatever we wish without consequence.

1 John 1:8 was written to the church
---JackB on 11/27/09


Eloy ... thanks for telling us that again.

How can you then say that you have never sinned?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09


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Matthew 7:18 "A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit."

Matthew 5:11 "Blessed be you all when which malign you, and will persecute and say all evil word against you, lying falsely, on account of me."

Matthew 10:25 "If they have called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his household?"

Matthew 15:20 "If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you, if they have kept my saying, they will keep your's also."
---Eloy on 11/27/09


Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


Eloy - ** again that is blasphemy. Also that is an english mistranslation.

Again, no reputable Biblical scholar will agree with your chosen mistranslation. Nor will you find any testimony in the writings of the early saints to support your position.

Sorry that you are up against the pricks of the truth. It is best for you to follow the interpretation of those whom the Lord has given the gift of teaching to instead of your own.

Your misinterpretation is really one of evil as it ignores the
scripture that supports the doctrine of sanctification in which we are continually being transformed into the image of Christ.
---Lee1538 on 11/27/09


Bee, ""Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin". I John 3:9. "Whoever does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." I John 3:7. There are sinless righteous people before and during and after Christ. And Bee, you wrest scriptures, because there is no light in you. "Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, becasue they have no light in them." Isaiah 5:20 + 8:20.
---Eloy on 11/27/09


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Romans 3:23 tells us: For all have sinned and fell short of the Glory of God

Romnans 3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through thee redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

There is no human on the planet past or present
except Jesus who has not sinned!
---Bee on 11/27/09


Paul was a sinner but he became a translated
transformed, regenerated, baptized, born again,
new creature, of the second Adam,a Child of the Resurrection, baptized into the death of Christ and dead to sin, resurrected into the newness of life and alive in the Holy Spirit,walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lust of his flesh, not under the letter of the Law but the Law of liberty, the Law of the Spirit of Life that is in Christ Jesus. He fought the good fight of faith enduring to the end to not backslide into perdition and received a crown for his faithful life to the end.
---exzucuh on 11/27/09


Romans 3:23 tells us: For all have sinned and fell short of the Glory of God

Romnans 3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through thee redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

There is no human on the planet past or present
except Jesus who has not sinned!
---Bee on 11/27/09


The enemy destroying my life said to me, "God does not really love you, else he would not be letting all this hell happen to you." So I told God to leave me alone and to get out of my life because my life was too hard and he was not making it any easier but instead making it worse, but in truth it was the enemy's fault and not God's. "My days not few? Cease, let me alone, that I may take comfort a little. Before I go, I will not return, to the land of darkness and the shadow of death." Job 10:20,21. After over 8 years of living without God, I found myself on my deathbed and the Holy Spirit told me that I had to ask Jesus to come back into my heart and my life since I had told him to get out over 8 years prior. And so I did.
---Eloy on 11/27/09


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Lee, again that is blasphemy. Also that is an english mistranslation. For the greek verb "eimi" can also be past tense, as in this case, or even future tense depending on the context. lit.Gk: "...Christ Jesus came into the world sinners to save, being first WAS I." The same Greek verb is also shown in the past tense in Luke 19:22= "was", and in John 14:9= "have been". We know that it is past tense because verse 13 is in past tense,..."who WAS BEFORE a persecuter"... and in I Corinthians 15:9 Paul says,..."because I persecutED the church of God" again, past tense, for he is no longer a sinner persecuting the church, but ministering to the church as a saint.
---Eloy on 11/27/09


Eloy n- **Lee, the passage is talking about sinners, the passage is not talking about saints

And you are both a saint & a sinner. Even Paul stated that he was the chief of all sinners. Note the Paul is speaking in the PRESENT TENSE, NOT THE PAST TENSE.

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
---Lee1538 on 11/26/09


Eloy ... I think you are saying that you are on of those who were born sinless, and that you have never in your life sinned.

You say that Christ only came into the world to save sinners, but not to save non-sinners. So He did not come into the world to save you.

I can understand that is what you believe

However I can't understand how that fits in with what you've said elsewhere (as MarkV has reminded us) that after you were born again, you fell into sin, and so had to be born again a second time.

How can you never have sinned, and yet fallen into sin?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/26/09


Lee,
Read my post to Laura. It should explain.
We dont set ourselves free from sin. Its Christ Crucified. The power of the Cross.
---duane on 11/26/09


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I see there are many lost people whom frequently miscontext and misapply scriptures. The right context and doctrine is, with No Exceptions: all "Sinning" Jews And "Sinning" NonJews have sinned and come short of the glory of God: and likewise the Sinful context is: all "NonSinning" Jews And "NonSinning NonJews have sinned and come short of the glory of God, which is blasphemy against God's holy word and his holy saints, with No Exceptions.
---Eloy on 11/26/09


duane //Christ came to set us free from sin. Christians are not sinners, they are dead to sin and alive to God. To say otherwise is to deny the work of the Cross and proclaim your unbelief in THE Gospel.

Before we came to know Christ, we essentially had little or no power over the sin in our lives. But once we became born of His Spirit, we then became empowered to NOT sin. However, as Paul in Romans 7 points out, there will always be a struggle between the flesh & the spirit. But unlike before, we can chose not to sin.

As we grow and mature in Christ, we should see our lives become more free of whatever displeases our Lord. And it is the indwelling Holy Spirit that gives us growth.
---Lee1538 on 11/26/09


No exceptions. All sin and come short of the glory of God. Only Jesus was sinless. As a believer we are considered sinless in our spiritual life, for He who is in me is sinless. Our flesh which is not spiritual is fallen, sinful and will die. Our Spirit which is sinless will never die. All inherit the Adamic curse of the flesh and are in need of a Savior.
As to our standing with God, the righteousness of Christ covers our sins. Without it all our sins would show.
1 Cor. 7:14 where it speaks of sanctified, it does not refer to salvation, othewise the spouse would not be spoken of as unbelieving. What it means is that one Christian in marriage brings grace that spills over to the spouse, even many times leading them to salvation.
---MarkV. on 11/26/09


Alan, must I post my Discernment posting again for you? Jesus said, "I did Not come to save the righteous, but sinners for repentance: for the well need not the physican, but the sick." Now if Jesus did Not come for the righteous, then there must already be "the righteous" existing, before he came to save the sinners in order to make them righteous too. "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean, but now are they holy." I Corinthians 7:14.
---Eloy on 11/26/09


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Lee, the passage is talking about sinners, the passage is not talking about saints. "Whosoever stays in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no person deceive you: whoever that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in that one and that one cannot sin, because that one is born of God." I John 3:6,7,9.
---Eloy on 11/26/09


Personally, I find that, although saved, I do sin. I get angry with myself, and with others, and sometimes hurt others. So I have to repent.

And it is demonstrable on these blogs that "saved" Christians are capabloe of hurting others!

My original qiuestion of course went further than that, because I was asking whether there are those who have NEVER in their whole lives sinned.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/26/09


Laura,
Christians are saints not sinners, we have been made righteous through Christ.
As far as confessing sin to be forgiven? Then your only forgiven until the next time. The big cycle with no hope of overcoming sin. The Cross would be meaningless. Dont you know the heart of the Gospel is freedom from sin? Jesus came(HIS purpose) to put sin away. Sin has no power over you anymore.
As far as Christians doing wrong, yes, the things we DONT want to do , we do at times because we live in a body of sin and death but our new birth is who we really are. Christ in us, made perfect before God. Set free from sin, given eternal life. Through faith in HIM.
IF WE WANT TO SIN WE ARE NOT HIS CHILDREN.
---duane on 11/26/09


Duane: So you say that Christians aren't sinners? So, say for example a priest millests a little child, but he's christian, does that mean that he's not a sinner? Because, from where I stand, I would certainly say that that's a pretty big sin being commited there. Also, THE gospel says that you can be free from sin if you confess your sin. That means that if you did something that is considered a sin, you confess to it and repent for what you have done, and then you are no longer a sinner until the next time you commit a sin and the cycle keeps going. But by no means am I inclined to believe you when you say that Christians aren't sinners. By that, I don't mean that all are, I simply mean that they can be. They are not exempt from sin.
---Laura on 11/25/09


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Christ came to set us free from sin. Christians are not sinners, they are dead to sin and alive to God. To say otherwise is to deny the work of the Cross and proclaim your unbelief in THE Gospel.
---duane on 11/25/09


The problem with Eloy's view that one can no longer sin after becoming a Christian is that it simply denies the position that Scripture holds.

We read in 1 John 1:8 "if we (included the Apostle John) says we have (present tense) no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

And of course there is 1 John 2:1 "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous",clearly leaves open the fact the Christians do sin.

Of course, we all wait for that time when we will all see Jesus and be totally purified of all sinfulness.

---Lee1538 on 11/25/09


Eloy ... So there are those who never from the day of their birth commit any sin?

Are you one of them?

I don't think the Bible supports that.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09


Eloy should clearify his "no-sin" character.

However, he may be stating a theoritical position that is taught that a saved person, from God's perspective, has never sinned.

A problem with that thinking is that people who are forgiven are taught that they never need to go make things right because God has forgiven them.

For all have sinned, and all believers are forgiven in Christ, however, believers need to have a clear conscience before God and "man."
---Rod4Him on 11/25/09


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Curious one, Babies (or any one else) are not burning in a fire!
That nonsense is on a par with Alice in Wonderland!
Dead people are in the grave awaiting a resurrection.
Look any where around the globe there's no hidden fire with a guy in a red union suit and pitchfork stoking the flames
If you believe that then you also believe the tooth ferry,Santa clause and Tinker bell!
---1st_cliff on 11/25/09


Alan, yes, there are infants born sanctified because the parents are holy, and there are infants born carnal because the parents are unregenerate.
---Eloy on 11/25/09


Eloy ... Yes that is true ... there are millions of them alive now.

But does that mean they never sinned? Did they never as a toddler disobey their parents, have they always displayed total love for others?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/09


Yes, in the past and in the present there are people whom are manifested to have the Holy Spirit abiding in them.
---Eloy on 11/24/09


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No. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".
---jody on 11/24/09


Where there is no law, there is no sin. Whos under the law?
---calhoon on 11/24/09


Donna ... No trick question, I assure you!

But there is one here, who suggests, no claims, that he has never sinned.


Amanda ... reading the story of Job, I don't think he was sinless.

My Bible says that all have sinned
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/24/09


Alan, We are all born sinful,from the time we take our first breath we are cursed with Adamic sin!
If not we would not die!
---1st_cliff on 11/24/09


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Alan, Paul says all have sinned. There don't seem to be any exceptions in his mind.. Is Mark Eaton implying that all dead babies born of nonchristian parents will burn in hell? St. Augustine thought so, and maybe Mark agrees...
---Curious.one on 11/24/09


There is no human being without sin

To say a person is without sin is calling God a liar and the truth is not in them
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Or he who is without sin cast the first stone
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---Gabby on 11/24/09


Possibly Job, or that guy in the OT who God just took away.
---amand6348 on 11/24/09


Babies who died as infants should be included in this category.
---KarenD on 11/24/09

I cannot agree with this and Scripture is plain.

Rom 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

Children of believers are covered under this:

1 Cor 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband, for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy"

But the children of non-believers are not covered and therefore are not exempted from punishment.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/24/09


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I don't know of any, do you alan? Is this a trick question? LOL (Love you alan my brother in the Lord).

As far as I know Jesus is the only one without sin.
---Donna on 11/24/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

***** Is there any human who has not sinned except Jesus? *****

Brethren, The offense of sin has abound death upon all mankind, that all have sinned, through the Law entering into the world b/c of the offense of one man's sin.

So NO !!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 11/24/09


The answer is No!!!
---Rob on 11/24/09


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