Should Church Support Widows
The Bible says if a man (person) doesn't work they shouldn't eat,1 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you,this we commanded you,that if any would not work,neither should he eat
and this scripture applies to the widows disabled how?
God will give those who TAKE unjustly their reward ...prudence in all things yet claiming that giving is "an open hand" that can no longer be practiced makes one of the WORLD who wants to KEEP what they have
If all "christians" operated with the mindset that their members were a "racket" and users of the "system of giving" then this is just another double minded way of "love" profess love so loudly yet keep it within
---Rhonda on 12/10/09|
The Bible says if a man (person) doesn't work they shouldn't eat,1 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you,this we commanded you,that if any would not work,neither should he eat. The Bible doesn't encourage anyone to blindly give to others. There are conditions,guidelines,placed on the giving by the Bible. We live in a far different time,there are people now who make a racket out of going from church to church with a sob story begging for money. The open heart means an open hand can no longer be practiced. Churches and people have to be careful who they help,they can bleed churches to death. I think organized giving,whether money or volunteering, through programs in the church to missionaries and needy are the best way to go.
---Darlene_1 on 12/9/09|
Those who profess to be christians need to understand that when god speaks of widows, fatherless, poor, we need to understand it as a parabolic language and not literal.
well now THAT is a FIRST
whatever parabolic language is to mean
a portion of church tithes should be allocated to SUPPORT members when God speaks of these unfortunate people his instructions are to the CHURCH ...it is not a parable spoken to non-believers
it is VERY LITERAL
---Rhonda on 12/6/09|
Karen, good point,from what i read in reply to my main blog question is that most people think its the worlds duty not the church , perhaps its easier for the church to shut their ears and eyes and hearts to the words of Jesus in this area,perhaps truthful confrontation with Church leaders on issues of the heart is too scary,My prayer LORD tip over the tables for those in need, sweep through your Churches and restore your people your body.
---Beany on 12/6/09|
The thought occured to me to ask what those people who consider divorce and remarriage to be such a profain thing would do with a divorced woman who has no means of support? Would you support her?
---KarenD on 12/5/09|
Those who profess to be christians need to understand that when god speaks of widows, fatherless, poor, we need to understand it as a parabolic language and not literal. Yes God has made provisions in the literal sense to them but we need to understand that we as believers need to always do what is spiritual for god is a spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The poor, the fatherless, the widows of which god speaks of is not what we would think of in the human sense but instead he is speaking of true believers and those who god had from the beginning made provision for their sins.
---metuschelah on 12/2/09|
My personal view of your question is to question the premise first off. Why would a "widow or solo parent" need to be financially supported any more than anybody else? Most people who are not disabled, and even some who are disabled, are able to work and support themselves. Likewise, there are many people who don't fit these classifications who can't or won't support themselves.
By "financial support" do you mean help in a special time of need or are you talking about ongoing payments for life? And are you assuming that none of the people you are thinking of have families or friends?
---ralph7477 on 11/29/09|
Ralph, thanks for that,whats your personal view then?
---beany on 11/29/09|
kevin relayed the Biblical admonitions of how to treat widows.
I do agree with kevin, however in our present society, we have programs to help widows. If a widow "indeed" still needs help, the "church" ought to help her. But her family needs to help her first.
Any person, especially a believer, who needs help ought to be helped by "the church."
In a very large institutional church, that would be difficult. The people in need ought to part of a small local group of believers, so the situation can be evaluated, by prayer, encouragement, finances, instruction, or whatever needs to be done to help the person in need.
---Rod4Him on 11/29/09|
Beany, if you read below you will see Cluny stating that Social Security and the like exist as "the result of the direct influence of Christianity on society as a whole."
Then Alan of UK writes that "Obama's attempts to make health care more widely & fairly available are similarly based", meaning based in the principles of the 10 commandments.
My reply related to replies to the MAIN blog question. Does that clarify?
---ralph7477 on 11/29/09|
Ralph i am sorry i don't understand how your reply relates to the MAIN blog question can you clarify please?
Also my previous post was meant to read thanks Alan of uk a man after Gods heart.
---beany on 11/28/09|
Hopefully, widows,single parents etc...have some type support and won't have to ask for much help from the church. But if a widow etc...is in trouble. I think the church should offer some support, especially, if they are a member of that church. The church cannot be all things to all people. A line has to be drawn and only person in dire need should be helped. Otherwise, all type crooks and criminals will take advantage of God's people and the church. The church should meet needs not greed. I do believe christians should help other christians,first. Inreach and then reach out to others in need,if possible.
---Robyn on 11/28/09|
.1 Timothy 5:3
Honour widows that are widows indeed.
.1 Timothy 5:9
Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
.1 Timothy 5:16
If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged, that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
---kevin on 11/28/09|
I read alot of theory, about how the church should help the disabled, and frankly, it is just that, theory. I am blessed to live in the UK where there is help from the government for the disabled, as I am severely disabled. to Whit, I have only one leg, one hand, and am partly blind. But please, I do not want your sympathy.
The fact remains, in a couple of churches here in Devon, because I am in diability scooter, I am the invisible man. I don't want handouts, just to be recognised as a human being.
---mike8384 on 11/28/09|
How in the world does Christianity or the ten commandments have anything to do with Social Security and government run health care?
Christianity says to love your neighbor as yourself. Do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you. I don't find Christ teaching that we are to take from our neighbor's earning and use it to pay our medical bills or to pay for our retirement. I believe there was a commandment prohibiting theft.
---ralph7477 on 11/28/09|
Thanks Bill, a man after gods own heart,i don't think Jesus would have closed his heart to the multitude when the five thousand were fed had no one provided the mere ration available at the time.What i am trying to convey is that if the body would take care of its self first we would be stronger, the world would see a body standing on the word not reaching to the world for support, and perhaps have more blessings and less bleating sheep,Who knows the lost might even rush into our open arms.Oh Lord our God hear our cry speak to our church leaders hearts, defend your name and bring strength,healing and sight to your body the church.
---beany on 11/28/09|
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Bill ... Jesus commanded us to give (in many ways) to the unfortunate.
Don't we still have that responsibility?
We can't just say "Leave it to God, it's nothing to do with me"
Our hands when we soothe the hurting, or cook for the hungry, our feet when we run errands for the housebound or bedridden, our eyes when we read to the blind, our ears when we listen to the lonely ... are those not God's hands, feet, eyes, ears?
And are our purses and wallets not stuffed with God's money?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/27/09|
"Cursed is the man who trusts in man" (Jeremiah 17:5) > "the help of man is useless" (Psalm 60:11). So, I see there is a problem with *any* of us seeking people of this world, in order to get help. We need to depend on God, alone, and how You, LORD, have us involved with people. I can't even trust my own self, except You make me reliable (o: So, a widow would do well to first depend on people *You* trust to lead and care for us, and walk "not in the counsel of the ungodly." (Psalm 1:1) So, I need to be careful, about doing what secular doctors and scientists and politicians influence us to do and *assume*. Should *any* of us depend on secular help, then? I need to trust You, about this, LORD (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/27/09|
Cluny ... yes ... indeed much of the principles and morals of our "westernised" society are based on Biblical instructions.
Christianity is directly responsible for the spread of "loving your neighbour" and respecting him.
The 10 commandments are the basis of the principles that guide Athiest's morality, even though he does not recognise this as being given by God.
And (whether or not he accppts the divine origin) Obama's attempts to make health care more widely & fairly available are similarly based, as were Wilberforce's efforts to end slavery
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/26/09|
Let's not forget that in NT times, there were NOT Social Security, insurance policies, survivor's benefits, and the like.
The fact that they DO exist today is the result of the direct influence of Christianity on society as a whole.
---Cluny on 11/26/09|
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Well i believe the church is missing out on enormous blessings because its failing to care for its "own family" and family is at the heart,how can the church ever be fully effective if it fails to respond to "obvious" issues,why don't we take the log out of our own eye,then we may help the world to see.
If the sheep are bleeting there must be a problem.thanks
---beany on 11/26/09|
funny you blogged that
this morrning we were reading scripture about that
1 timithy 5:1 - 6:2 i think
details on what widows should be taken care of by the church and how others should be
---TRACY on 11/26/09|
No. 1 Timothy 5:3 Honor widows that are widows indeed. 1 Timothy 5:4 But if any widow have children or nephews,let them first show piety at home,and to requite their parents,for that is good and acceptable before God. 1 Timothy 5:16 If any man or woman have widows,let them relieve them and let not the church be charged,that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. James1:27 Pure Religion and undefied before God and the Father is this,to visit the fatherless and widows and orphans in their affliction,and to keep himself unspotted from the world. I think this shows we are to be compassionate and care about their well being but the church is not to help all widows. Matthew 19:21 -and give to the poor and thou shall have treasure in Heaven-.
---Darlene_1 on 11/26/09|
Most churches would be offend at your suggestion of how they manage their money. Churches I know are interested in collection, especially on the amount given, and after that they take sole responsibility and any inquiry on your part is out of line.
The answer to your suggestion is yes they should put many rationales can be given as to why your suggestion is unsatisfactory or of no worth today.
---mima on 11/26/09|