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Why is it many English speaking Christians, when trying to explain the Bible to others, don't use modern, everyday English versus the old (outdated) King James English?

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Warwick -//Many times I have asked you to give Scripture which supports your view.

The major difference between us is that I believe what the Scripture states not what it does not state whereas apparently you are unable or unwilling to do so.

I have asked you many times to give chapter & verse where the Bible states all the creation days were of 24 hour duration, but you have been unable to.

You are plighted by assumptions, assumptions, assumptions and I cannot help you.
---Lee1538 on 12/12/09


Warwick//Maybe you are reading the Fisherman's Bible.

Never heard of it. However I have read the Bible in 15 different versions from cover to cover. I used to read a version each year but now spend most of my time reading the ESV along with a good commentary.

I would suggest that you acquire a good reliable modern version of the Bible and find yourself a good tutor who knows both the Bible as well as its Author.
---Lee1538 on 12/12/09


Warwick, Again you fancy dance around the point...Point being ,I did not invent the Greek language or it's grammar! You're using human reasoning I E "How can this be?"
I can be blasphemed and I'm not God, the Government can be blasphemed and it's an "it". God knows the mind of the Spirit because "He" is the mind of the Spirit that both He and Jesus "send" to do their bidding! Sorry but you're wrong on this issue!
---1st_cliff on 12/12/09


\\Edward Mote, My hope is built on nothing less Than Jesus Christ, my righteousness, I dare not trust the sweetest frame, But wholly lean on Jesus' name. On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand, all other ground is sinking sand, all other ground is sinking sand.\\

And some sing this:

My hope is build on nothing less
Than Schofield's notes and Moody Press....

(Hotbeds of dispensationalism, both.)
---Cluny on 12/12/09


Please respond to the question at least once.
The B-I-B-L-E, Yes, that's the book for me, I stand alone on the Word of God, the B-I-B-L-E. The B-I-B-L-E, yes, that's the book for me, I stand alone, the B-I-B-L-E.
Reginald Heber, Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty! Unto everlasting days our song shall rise to Thee, Holy, Holy, Holy, Merciful and Mighty! God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity!
Edward Mote, My hope is built on nothing less Than Jesus Christ, my righteousness, I dare not trust the sweetest frame, But wholly lean on Jesus' name. On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand, all other ground is sinking sand, all other ground is sinking sand.
---Glenn on 12/12/09




Lee, you are worth it for the entertainment value alone.

Genesis ch. 1 clearly states God created in 6 ordinary days-confirmed by Exodus 20:8-11 and Mark 10:6- Jesus words. There is no Scriptural support for creation days being other than six ordinary days, days as we live today. Even English grammar proves you wrong. Despite my view coming directly from Scripture you falsely claim I support this 'despite the obvious lack of scriptural support.' Bizarre!

Maybe you are reading the Fisherman's Bible.

Many times I have asked you to give Scripture which supports your view. Silence,for good reason. Your view is not from Scripture but antiScriptural, undermining the gospel you claim to believe in! What hypocrisy.
---Warwick on 12/12/09


1stCliff, as is common with you, you attempt to avoid the issue.

That the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed means He is God, not an 'it' as you falsely claim. Romans 8:27 tells us God knows 'the mind of the Spirit.' How can a 'it,' an impersonal force, have a mind for God the Father to know?

That Jesus can also be blasphemed means He is also God-both part of the Trinity.

Jerry M Henry is one of about 300 contributors to the Holman Bible Dictionary: Your point?
---Warwick on 12/12/09


Jerry -//I'll give him another chance to see if he can overcome his handicap.

Like your friend Warwick who wants badly to believe the earth was created in 6 literal days despite the obvious lack of scriptural support, you are unable to comprehend any clear answer from scripture. Such is the problem with those that are spiritually blind.

2 Cor.4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ,
who is the image of God.

As to bad wiring, It is apparenlty more a matter of my lack of training in dealing with mentally challenged people.
---Lee1538 on 12/12/09


Lee it would appear Jerry does not believe you have answered his question. It would be proper if you did so. Evading questions only indicates you cannot defend your view.
---Warwick on 12/12/09


Warwick: There appears to be a flaw somwewhere in the wiring of Lee's brain that will never allow him to address the point at hand, but always respond to a different subject or with an attack on the person or his denomination. Maybe it's genetic, or perhaps it's the mass quantities of poisons, diseases, hormones, antibiotics, etc. he injests in his food.

I'll give him another chance to see if he can overcome his handicap.
---jerry6593 on 12/12/09




Warwick,Your 1st paragraph sums it up ,when it comes right down to it human reasoning comes into play.. something you accuse me of with disdain!
Holman Dictionary ..you cited was Jerry M. Henry's opinion!
How does using proper grammar "blaspheme" the H.S.?
God is a Person, Jesus is a Person, both can forgive. H.S is a Personified power and cannot forgive!
Read Holy Spirit in Holman's!
---1st_cliff on 12/11/09


warwick - The scripture that I posted to Jerry should be totally sufficient to answer the question posed, that God does discipline His children whom He loves.

What happened to you on the other posts? Did the other posters give you a good licking that you have to find someone else to pick an argument with.

Ro 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught, avoid them.
---Lee1538 on 12/11/09


Lee, as usual you avoid any question which challenges your view.

Shock us all and answer Jerry's question. Come on, I know it goes against your character but you can do it. After all Trav learned how to write in sentences!
---Warwick on 12/11/09


Jerry //Back to the point. Do you personally believe that God "disciplines" people before they stand trial? A simple question.

Did you natural father put you on trail before he punished or disciplined you?

Hebrew 12,9-11

Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Are you illegitimate? Hebr.12:8.
---Lee1538 on 12/11/09


Lee: You didn't do very well on that one. Let's try again.

Back to the point. Do you personally believe that God "disciplines" people before they stand trial? A simple question. Let's see how you do this time.

(Did your father use a real whip on you? That may explain a lot.)
---jerry6593 on 12/11/09


#1

\\Before the first "modern" bible was published in 1881 (the RV), the King James Bible was published, preached, and taught throughout the world, and many were saved.\\

If ANYTHING other than our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ is "taught and preached" throughout the world, INCLUDING the KJV, that's making it into an idol.

(BTW, were a passage from the ERV were simply read aloud to you, I really doubt you could tell the difference between it and the KJV.)

\\today, with many new translations, very few are being saved.\\

Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Where do you get your statistics--and what are your standards--about who gets "saved"?
---Cluny on 12/10/09


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1stCliff, The Holy Spirit is clearly given personhood in English. If you are correct the translators should call the Holy Spirit 'it' they do not, for good reason. How can anyone have fellowship (2 Co. 13:14) with an 'it'?

Further the Holman Bible Dictionary says 'In the biblical context, blasphemy is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God.'

Therefore as the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed, ( Matt. 12:31) this can only mean the Holy Spirit is God! Otherwise He could not be blasphemed

Also, Jesus in talking of blasphemy says that such a sin against Himself will be forgiven, therefore also calling Himself God. Otherwise no one could blaspheme against Him.
---Warwick on 12/10/09


I feel that the new bible takes away from the truth of the king james.
Read Rev.22:18 & 19
I have found several places in the new bible that takes out a whole verse
---Billy_8378 on 12/11/09


there is a big difference in reading and studying and it does make a difference what you study. i see what the ? is in this blog. Out dated english, still has some meaning that are modern revisions or in some cases perversions have not been able to update. what to we trade next, crucifixion for lethal injection?
---michael_e on 12/10/09


Anyone can read verses in a bible but not everyone knows what these verses mean. So many people read and think they know the truth because they have this version of the bible or that version. All this leads to is arguments in the brotherhood...Christians need to stop reading so much and start letting the Spirit guide them. The Spirit will give the meaning of truth if you let HIM in. HE is the teacher. Start praying and believing. Ask and you will receive.
---duane on 12/10/09


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Maybe our traditional, denominational seminaries, are alot to blame for the confusion.

Before the first "modern" bible was published in 1881 (the RV), the King James Bible was published, preached, and taught throughout the world, and many were saved. today, with many new translations, very few are being saved. The great revivals that i remember are over. Who has gained the most from the new versions, God or Satan?
---michaele on 12/10/09


Warwick/Leon: FYI In the Greek language ,like French, Italian etc All nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter.
Helper, Comforter (Parakletos) is masculine and called "He" but Spirit(Pneuma) is neuter and correctly translated "it" Rom.8.16 but all other references are translated "He" incorrectly and has nothing to do with male or female.
The translators change it to suit the belief in a trinity (grammatically incorrect)
---1st_cliff on 12/10/09


1stCliff the Holy Spirit is a person, not an it. You are pushing your antiTrinitarian beliefs again.

See for example Matt. 28.19, John 14:26 & 15:26,Acts 13:2, & Acts 5:3-4 where referring to The Holy Spirit, it says:

People are baptized into His name
He is referred to as he
He is counselor
He teaches
He reminds
He testifies
He speaks
He commands
He calls Himself I
Peter equates lying to Him as lying to God.
We can have fellowship with Him

Nothing in these verses suggests anything other than the Holy Spirit being a person. These references don't fit with Him being a force, or impersonal, an it!
---Warwick on 12/10/09


Cliff: Yet another of your pointless (dim-witted) points. Read & heed Romans 3:4. Oh, that's right! The Apostle Paul isn't credible according to you. :)

BTW, the Holy Spirit is a person (GOD) -- not an it!
---Leon on 12/10/09


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1Cliff, thanks for correcting. About your question.
What do I believe?
Answer, I believe in the promises of God.
1. There is no place in the Bible that says you can lose your salvation.
2. On the other hand, everywhere it says your salvation last how long? Forever. How long is forever? answer-forever.
3. The Bible also says that those who were saved were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world, So whoever He chose, was redeemed because of His sovereign choice.
4. In John 6, Jesus said, "all that the Father gives to Me, shall come to Me and I have lost none of them, but I'll raise him up at the last day"
The security of the believer then is bound in the decree of God.
---MarkV. on 12/10/09


//For some strange reason they all line up against one Book--the A.V. 1611. I wonder why?

Simply because the KJV has been the version in the market place and recognized as the standard for some 300 years.

Interesting enough, most of the seminaries prior to the modern versions used the American Standard Version of 1901 as it was considered to be closer to the dominant Greek texts.

One often wonders if the old KJV would have been updated earlier, more people would have been won for Christ.
---Lee1538 on 12/10/09


Jerry //Back to the point. Do you personally believe that God punishes people before they stand trial? A simple question. Let's see how you do.

Discipline would be a better word than punish.

Hebrews 12:6-11 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,and chastises every son whom he receives.It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Is Jerry feeling the whip from Father?
---Lee1538 on 12/10/09


Lee: Back to the point. Do you personally believe that God punishes people before they stand trial? A simple question. Let's see how you do.
---jerry6593 on 12/10/09


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Mark V: You're right, the Holy Spirit does not contradict itself!
So who's right?? the one who says OSAS or the one that says You can lose your salvation considering
"both" claim Holy Spirit guidance?????
That's my point exactly!
---1st_cliff on 12/9/09


new translations seem to always compare themselves to the KJV. Isn't it odd that the new versions never compare themselves to one another? For some strange reason they all line up against one Book--the A.V. 1611. I wonder why? Maybe the writers had some pretty good tools
mark 16 drinking poison or picking up snakes was never intended for us, try reading Mk 16:14 see if your name is there
---michael_e on 12/9/09


Jerry, your concern is your denomination, which is witnessed in many of your answers. I love you but you still look for passage that seem to imply something not there. What difference would another Bible be if you already have a certain believe? Miche is correct, the hostile attitude of many is wrong. The Holy Spirit teaches us, and not all of us are at the same level as another, for no two people think or know exactly alike. What the Spirit reveals to you today, might not be what He reveals to another that day, maybe five years from now. We have talked about many topics here on line and as you can see not everyone is at the same level as others. Some in fact are not even saved. That is obvious from many answers.
---MarkV. on 12/9/09


2 Peter 2:9 oiden kuriov eusebeiv ek peirasmou ruesyai adikouv de eiv hmeran krisewv kolazomenouv threin.

All too often our knowledge of the meaning of Koine Greek has advanced to the point we can use better judgment in selecting the best English word.

The KJV translators did a very good job considering what tools they had to work with. Howbeit, they did not consider their version to be the final or ultimate but looked forword to further refinements.

In consideration no doctrine of Scripture should be based upon a single verse of scripture otherwise we all could handle snakes & drink poison.
---Lee1538 on 12/9/09


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1 Cliff, I believe You wanted to make a statement but your example was not a very good one. Here is what you said,
"My observation is this-- people claim they are led by Holy Spirit and say OSAS another led by the same Holy Spirit will say you can lose your salvation. Both sincere, opposite positions."
How can this be? OSAS means "Once Saved Always Saved" how can the same Holy Spirit be telling the other OSAS he can lose his salvation, when been an OSAS does not believe they can?
The Holy Spirit does not contradict or speak in confusion man does as you did.
---MarkV. on 12/9/09


miche3754: "My concern is that people are putting the knowledge of man above the knowledge of God."

I couldn't agree more. It's formally called "higher criticism," and it's an abomination to God.

I see the Bible Version issue not as which one does the best job of translating into modern english (most do a pretty good job of that), but rather, which is dervied from the most authentic, least doctored text. The "textus receptus" (from which the KJV is translated) is by far the best source text. Consider 2Pet 2:9. The KJV is the only with a God of justice - waiting until after judgement to dispense punishment.
---jerry6593 on 12/9/09


//which scripture is correct?

Luke 2:33 "And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him"

The Greek of the King James version has the following:

and was (were)the father of him and the mother marveling at the things being said concerning him. Parallel New Testament in Greek and English.

So which to you really want? A correct translation from the Greek or one that fits your theology?
---Lee1538 on 12/8/09


which scripture is correct?

Luke 2:33 "And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him"
Luke 2:33. And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
---michael_e on 12/8/09


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"when the Great Bible was translated and published by Henry VIII?"
---Cluny on 12/8/09

You're Correct! (125 word LTD)
As the reign of Elizabeth (1558-1603) was coming to a close, a draft of Parliament for a revision of the Great Bible: "An act for the reducing of diversities of bibles now extant in the English tongue to one settled vulgar translated." The Bishop's Bible of 1568, although it may have eclipsed the Great Bible, was still rivaled by the Geneva Bible. Nothing ever became of this draft during the reign of Elizabeth, who died in 1603, and was succeeded by James 1, as the throne passed from the Tudors to the Stuarts. I wish I had space to explain English Bibles (Wycliff, Matthew etc)prior to the KJV.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/8/09


My observation is this-- people claim they are led by Holy Spirit and say OSAS another led by the same Holy Spirit will say you can lose your salvation. Both sincere, opposite positions.
Will the real "spirit led person please stand"!!!
Do you catch my drift??
---1st_cliff on 12/7/09

These come from man's fallicy and that just can't be helped since man is NOT perfect.
And remember that we have to live in the flesh but walk in the Spirit. The flesh certainly does get in the way sometimes now doesn't it.
---miche3754 on 12/8/09


\\The KJV was NEVER a Bible. It was revision of the Great Bible of The Church of England (Anglican). Queen Elizabeth \\

Pastor Jim, why do you keep saying this when the Great Bible was translated and published by Henry VIII?
---Cluny on 12/8/09


herod king of the jews

you surely believe in the degeneration of man and in the degeneration of the world system in general, why is it that you believe education has somehow "evolved" and that men are more qualified to translate God's word today than in 1611?
---michael_e on 12/7/09


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GLENN, You need to read history before you post.
The KJV was NEVER a Bible. It was revision of the Great Bible of The Church of England (Anglican). Queen Elizabeth Decreed the revisions of the Great Bible, because the Geneva bible(the commoners bible) was more accurate thereby embarrassing the Church. She left/ James came in, but never bother authorizing it. It was also the 1st revision made by SECULAR scholars.

Also there was NO original Hebrew OT text at that time. Nor was there much of the Greek left. The scholars at Oxford/Cambridge made only minor changes to the Great Bible based on Luthers German/ Jeromes Latin Bibles. It was several tranlations down the line from orginal text. Thereby had errors and was eventualy tossed out.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09


Michaele.
Herod was Jewish.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09


In my opinion, the "King James" is the most accurate because it(s):
Uses the received text, rather than the 'corrupted' critical text.
Translates directly from the Hebrew for the Old Testament, and the Greek for the New Testament.
Translations is closer to word for word, rather than thought for thought.
Is still the easiest to read, and requires a lower comprehension level than most other versions.
Translators were both faithful, and were less subject to a hidden agenda than many modern translators.
---Glenn on 12/7/09


critics of kjv say, easter is mistranslated, because the greek word pascha, is translated passover 28 times in the N.T. so should be the same in Acts 12:4

it can't be translated passover, the passover had passed. days of unleavened bread had begun vs3) meaning the passover was over (num. 28:16-18 ex. 12:13-18)The Passover was always the 14th day of the 1st month, the days of unleavened bread ran from the 15th through the 21st. Herod couldn't have been waiting for the Passover. plus why would a gentile king be concerned about a jewish feast day? easter is pagan from Ishtar, the goddess that the pagans worshipped, Rome included. Herod was waiting until his pagan holiday was over not the jewish passover
---michael_e on 12/7/09


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Mitche3754, 1st of all I'm not an angry person (angry at who?)
Anyone with a 6th grade education can ask for assistance in the difficult passages,is there a problem with that??
My observation is this-- people claim they are led by Holy Spirit and say OSAS another led by the same Holy Spirit will say you can lose your salvation. Both sincere, opposite positions.
Will the real "spirit led person please stand"!!!
Do you catch my drift??
---1st_cliff on 12/7/09


\\ Isn't it true that when you use the term "the Greek text" you are being deceitful and lying, since there are MANY Greek TEXTS (plural), rather than just one?\\

While there are variant Greek texts--what do you expect in a ms tradiiton?--what's remarkable is their great agreement?

The only church competent to talk about "THE Greek text" is the Greek Orthodox Church, which has a standard text.
---Cluny on 12/7/09


The problem I see with any translation of the Bible is actually getting people to read it.

We, the church of Jesus, the body of Christ, are becoming like the Jews in the time of Jesus because of our lack of reading and studying.

Rom 10:2 "For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge"

I agree with Pastor_Jim. Every version is a translation of the originals and will have differences. I prefer the NASB because it is a "transliteration", a word-by-word translation of the originals with new additions from the Dead Sea scrolls.


---Mark_Eaton on 12/7/09


---1st_cliff on 12/7/09

And why are you so angry?
Why do you have to be right?
Why do you seem to think that the Holy Spirit doesn't guide anyone anymore?
And people argue because of their flesh NOT because of the Holy Spirit. That is how you know it isn't the Holy Spirit.
The Fruits of the Holy Spirit doesn't include strife which is what is going on here.
If you love the brethren you would not tell someone that if they have a 6th grade education, they can't know the true things of God.
Oh how ye are puffed up with leaven right now because you believe in your own knowledge instead of that of God's.
---miche3754 on 12/7/09


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>Isn't it true that when you use the term "the Greek text" you are being deceitful and lying, since there are MANY Greek TEXTS (plural), rather than just one?

Most of the variants in the manuscripts are quite minor. The most common example given is where a text will say "Jesus" and the next copiest will add the word "Christ" and then a 3rd copiest will add the word "Lord".

In his book on the Text of the NT Metzger notes the various causes for the differences between pages 186-206.
---djconklin on 12/7/09


if there is no preserved word of god,this must not be true. if it is true where is it preserved? Maybe just something to laugh at.

Psa.12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
---Michael_e on 12/7/09


Miche3754, Ist of all Peter didn't have a bible,also he didn't have to study about Christ because He was right there for 3 1/2 years as personal
tutor" (It doesn't get better than that)
We are 2,000 years removed from then and a lot of corruption has taken place.
The onus is on everyone to search out "truth" and sort out falsehood,no "magic" tutoring going on now!
If the Holy Spirit was teaching Christians today they would "ALL BELIEVE THE SAME"
Such is NOT the case today!
---1st_cliff on 12/7/09


Miche3754, Don't kid yourself, your level of understanding depends much on your degree of education. With only a grade school education it is extremely laborious. Especially KJV.
There's no "magic" in getting the gist of the text,you are influenced by your upbringing ,( Religious or not) sense of values,and conscience!
"Study" is just that. You cant just sit there and information comes flowing into your mind. Read and compare!
---1st_cliff on 12/6/09

Would you have said that about Peter? he was a VERY uneducated man yet God used him mightily. Sounds to me like someone doubts the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 12/7/09


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Also,
My concern is that people are putting the knowledge of man above the knowledge of God.
It doesn't matter what version anyone uses. What matters is that you are being fed God's WORD and WILL for your life and that you are obedient to God.
He should come first. Why waste time arguing and insulting people and their intelligence just because they use this version or that?
I utilize MANY versions, along with lexicons, and concordances, when I study.
I believe when Jesus says the Holy Spirit will teach you all things, he will. If you doubt that and think it has to do with up bringing or what someone else has to say, then you are doubting GOD and have little faith in him.
---miche3754 on 12/7/09


THAT MY POINT MICHAELe. There are no PERFECT bible tranlations. Least of ALL the KJV. I try to find the most accurate I can. Written in my present day language. The early scripture were written in their common language Koine Greek and Aramaic.
The Truth is, the Holy Spirit teaches us.

So I do NOT worship one version over another. I use the NASB, because I like it. I never object to anyone using any version they feel the most comfortable with.

It is when someone claims theirs is the "TRUE BIBLE" as you said.
I have to sadly laugh.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09


Isn't it true that you believe God inspired His holy words in the "originals," but has lost them, since no one has a perfect Bible today? Isn't it true that when you use the term "the Greek text" you are being deceitful and lying, since there are MANY Greek TEXTS (plural), rather than just one?
Isn't it true that you are not a greek or hebrew scholar? If you can prove you have a perfect bible i would gladly accept it, but since you don't have anything but what you pick up on the internet, i guess i'll stick with what has worked for 400 yr
---michael_e on 12/7/09


\\ The KJV was not a Bible but a Revison of the anglican Great Bible of Queen Elisabeth. \\

The Great Bible was published under Henry VIII, not Queen Elizabeth.
---Cluny on 12/6/09


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Michael e.
Why would you worship an Anglican Revision in which King James had nothing to do with since it had to be revised so many times, the Brits eventually replace it due to all the errors and inaccuracys. Why would a Bible in English is the "TRUE" one. Why not the orginal Greek or Hebrew. The LXX, Latin Vulgate, the Papyrus schrolls before. The English version was off the German and Latin. Then those MUST be even more true! How about the Samarian Pentateuch the most orginal and oldest Hebrew scroll.

What you say is laughable if it were not so sad to hear some one express and idolize a particular revision in early English. THUS SAITH THE LORD!!! That impresses you doesn't it. Sounds like Dickens. PLEASE....LOL!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/6/09


The KJV translators believed they were handling the very words of God (I Thess. 2:13). Read the King James Dedicatory and compare it to the prefaces in the modern versions.there is a big difference in the approach and attitude of the translators. Which group would YOU pick for translating a book? There is one true God, and many false gods. There is one true Church, consisting of true believers, and there are many false churches. So why do you think it's so wrong to teach that there is one true Bible, yet many false bibles? It's 400 yrs old, but the way Christ was killed,is 2000yrs old maybe we could change a version to use lethal injection
---michael_e on 12/6/09


This is one of the areas of argument that cause unbelievers to disregard the Bible in general. I agree that we need to prayerfully seek the Holy Spirit's teaching when reading any version of the Holy scriptures. Most importantly, we need to read the Bible and to understand that it is God breathed. It is alive and active and sharper than a two edge sword. That is what the Bible says about itself in most translations:)
---jody on 12/6/09


If you want to used an outdated bible that's your choice.

Just remember that it is over 400 yrs out of date. Would not contain the latest findings (i.e The Dead Sea scrolls, Mesherat Caves). It would not have the latest revisions and translations which were recently fixed and make the bible a whole lot more accurate. It would be like using Gallieo Telescope over Hubble.
But I have no objections in what you choose. I recommend the NASB.

I DO have objections when I see posters get all emotional and upset indicating They revere this rivision over all others and therefore are worshiping it as an icon(i.e. idol). That is wrong! It just one of many many bibles. NOTHING ELSE!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/6/09


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psa.12:6. The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Mk 13:31. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

In what book is his word preserved. maybe He preserved his word in the living bible or the niv or asv. If there are no original manuscripts left, His word has to be preserved somewere.
---michael_e on 12/6/09


Miche3754, Don't kid yourself, your level of understanding depends much on your degree of education. With only a grade school education it is extremely laborious. Especially KJV.
There's no "magic" in getting the gist of the text,you are influenced by your upbringing ,( Religious or not) sense of values,and conscience!
"Study" is just that. You cant just sit there and information comes flowing into your mind. Read and compare!
---1st_cliff on 12/6/09


1st cliff,
Whether a person reads KJV, NIV, NLV, or any other version of the Bible, if they have the TRUE Holy Spirit of God teaching them and guiding them, it will be easy to understand.
Maybe you should put more faith in God's ability to teach his word then man's ability to THINK he knows God's word.
Only God can reveal the things of God no matter how many times man translates it. Please don't insult people just because they choose to use the KJV Bible.
Just because they read it that way doesn't mean they speak or teach it that way.
---miche3754 on 12/6/09


No Christian Englishmen "tossed out" their KJV Holy Bibles, but on the contrary they reveered the KJV very highly, and it was esteemed the favored Holy Bible preached from the pupits for over 400 years before all the new fandangled UNholy bibles hit the market in the late 20th century A.D.
---Eloy on 12/6/09


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If you're smart enough to find "mistakes" in the KJV, why don't you correct them all and give us a perfect Bible?
---michael_e on 12/5/09


People who use the KJV think that it's better to plow with oxen in one furrow than a John Deere ten gang-er...go figure!
Guess what?? we have cell phones now and I-pods but you can listen to the gramophone if it's better!
Stuck in a "time warp" is not progressive,Christianity is designed to be progressive not staid!
Mistakes were made in the KJV corrected in modern translations.
---1st_cliff on 12/5/09


Lawrence ... "Aft K.James died, people of renoun later called it The K.J.Version"

Many, many, many, years later!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/5/09


The KJV was not a Bible but a Revison of the anglican Great Bible of Queen Elisabeth. It was NEVER authorized by King James. Itself had so many errors it had been revised 6-9 times and was aventually tosed out in the late 1800s by the Brits. They never called it the KJV, only an Authozied Bible. Likely based on the Decree from Queen Elisabeth.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/5/09


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Also, The Yanks are impressed by the Thees and The Thous of classic English.
Thinking that God somehow spoke in this language.

Even leading to KJV only cults.

The Brits, on the other hand were not impressed by their old outdated English and so tossed the KJV in 1880s
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/5/09


\\ King James had the scriptures translated. Aft K.James died, people of renoun later called it The K.J.Version.
No doubt carnal minded philosophers & theologans changed scriptures around (made it revised) & make it to say it in diff aspects, & some times Not what it's supposed to say or mean.\\

Actually, in the UK it's called the Authorized Versions.

Can you give the names of these carnal minded philosphers and theologians who changed it around (made it revised) and in particular WHAT was made to say different aspects?

The ABS version of 1905 was simply normalized according to American spellings. In British revisions, non-words such as "unpossible" were changed.
---Cluny on 12/5/09


since the Holy Spirit is the greatest Teacher (John 16:12-15, I John 2:27), who taught you that the King James Bible was not infallible, the Holy Spirit or man?
---michael_e on 12/5/09


King James had the scriptures translated. Aft K.James died, people of renoun later called it The K.J.Version.
No doubt carnal minded philosophers & theologans changed scriptures around (made it revised) & make it to say it in diff aspects, & some times Not what it's supposed to say or mean.
---Lawrence on 12/5/09


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You should ask those particular Christians using the old King's English, why they use that English, rather than modern English. It could be that because they were personally saved through reading the King's English from the King James Bible, and therefore they are very confident in using this same King's English that they were saved by, in persoanlly sharing it with others.
---Eloy on 12/5/09


Who gave it the name "King James Version"?

It certainly was not King James.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/5/09


The new translations use many words that do not reflect the true meaning of the passage, and it is imperative that you understand what God is saying. Many words get lost in translation. I would suggest getting a Exhaustive Concordance and sticking with the KJV. You will find words that you think in English are one way but, when you look them up in Hebrew or Greek they mean something totally different. You can use free concordances on the web to see what I mean. Esword is free
---corey on 12/4/09


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