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Is Mary The Co-Redeemer

The RCC church teaches that Mary is co-Redeemer and that she was without sin. The scripture says that there is salvation in no other name than Christ Jesus. The scriptures also say that all have sinned including Mary. Is Mary the co-Redeemer?

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I've no animosity toward RCC or those who belong. These show Mary taking God and Jesus place,RC site,"We Believe,- That Mary will hear our prayers and will beg God and his son,on our behalf,for our forgiveness,and for our salvation". Fifth Glourious Mystery,-to always to be joined to her heart,therefore to the heart of Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God pray for us sinners,. Mary is not the Mother of God,she is the mother of flesh and blood Jesus,a man,who is the Word of God made flesh. Mary can't beg God and begging Jesus will do no good for he is the mediator,1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men,the man Jesus Christ. Mary can't be a mediator between man and God.
---Darlene_1 on 12/15/09


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Mark 11:9-10,Luke13,Act22:6,Rom10:13,2Tim2:19"CALL upon the NAME OF THE LORD...Acts 4:12
Neither is there SALVATION IN ANY OTHER,there's NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men,whereby we must be SAVED.
TO:
"perpetual Help" prayer card given to student in a catholic school.

O Mother of Perpetual Help,grant that I may ever invoke Thy MOST POWERFUL NAME,which is the safeguard of the living and THE SALVATION of the dying.O purest Mary,sweetest Mary,let Thy name henceforth be ever on my lips.Delay not,O Blessed lady,to help me whenever I call on Thee,for,in all my needs,in all my temptations I shal never cease to call on thee ever repeating THY SACRED NAME...etc...instucted to recite nine hail marys.
---char on 12/15/09


Wayne,

go easy on those within RCC

per RCC's catechism ALL who worship and serve RCC submit their minds and wills to the pope

this is why they say one thing even though what is written says something altogether different - they do not SEE their double-minded approach

and per their catechism the pope (on RCC's authority) can and does change MUCH of Gods Written Word

this is why they don't HEAR anyone who QUOTES Holy Word of God
---Rhonda on 12/15/09


At the command of Mary all obey EVEN GOD. She is omnipotent, for the queen, according to all laws, enjoys the same privileges as the King, and since the Son's power also belongs to the mother, this mother is made omnipotent by an omnipotent Son.

Therefore, to use the words of saint Antonine, God has put the whole church not only under her patronage, but even under the power and authority, of Mary. [Taken from the Glories of Mary. Chapter 6, Page 114. By St. Alphonsus Liguori. He was declared "Venerable", 4 May, 1796, was beatified in 1816, and canonized in 1839. In 1871, he was declared a Doctor of the Church.]

Explain this one away Cluny
---wayne on 12/15/09


\\Yes Cluny, I have no proof the RCC teaches this but I know Catholics that believe Mary is a co-Redeemer.\\

But I have proof that the Roman Catholic Church does NOT teach this.
---Cluny on 12/15/09




Cluny,

If Catholics don't teach this. Then tells where this "Co Redeemer" concept came from.

It certainly was not protestant.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/15/09


Yes Cluny, I have no proof the RCC teaches this but I know Catholics that believe Mary is a co-Redeemer. Mel Gibson's statement on the purpose of "The Passion of the Christ" pushed the Satanical lie back into the public discussion.

It's shameful.
---larry on 12/14/09


||Why does it say that a soul can "die."||

Jerry, I've already answered this question once before, as you see. Why do you keep asking it?




\\Why does it say that a soul can "die."\\

Why don't you read the entire context of this verse? You'll see it's a part taken for the whole.

You don't actually think that each verse of the Bible was written as a discrete unit, separate from all the others, do you?
---Cluny on 12/11/09
---Cluny on 12/15/09


I find it funny almost, how so many can be fooled by a simple doctrine of man, Mary the most Blessed of women is no more the co-redeemer then any of us. If Mary is needed to co redeem then the sacrifice of the cross means nothing. It was really of no point to allow Yeshua to be crucified. But like Ive been saying in alot of blogs, the doctrines of men people will follow blindly, but the commandments and statutes of YHVH people refuse to follow. Yeshua preached lived and confirmed Torah and the Prophets, but YHVH must have changed His mind according to christians. Christians want the benefits and blessings of salvation as long as it doesnt get in thier way of life or traditions.
---wayne on 12/15/09


Guys,

It's in the Gospel of Cluny 3:16.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/14/09




Cluny: Where is the scripture that says that man is immortal? Why does it say that ONLY God is immortal? Why does it say that a soul can "die." Why must we "put on immortality" at the resurrection if we're already immortal? Why is the resurrection necessary if we are doing just fine as disembodied spirits? Why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us if we are already with Him?

I excitedly await your answers to these questions.
---jerry6593 on 12/13/09
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me too!!!

and I am curious per SCRIPTURE (of course) when exactly was Mary resurrected? 1Corin 15 describes ALL ...if Mary is not part of that ALL when did it happen for her - is that written backwards in code somewhere in scripture?
---Rhonda on 12/13/09


Cluny - I believe Jerry to be correct that scripture states only God has immortality.

However, his view that man has no existence after death is incorrect.

The story in Luke about Lazarus & the rich man is nothing more than a parable to them based on falsehoods - common beliefs at that time. However, Jesus would have risked making something that is not true into a false belief that man has an existence after death.

Mt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

In this verse, soul & body are viewed as separate entities.

there is both a soul & a spirit of man according to Hebrews 4:12 as well as a body.
---Lee1538 on 12/13/09


Cluny: Where is the scripture that says that man is immortal? Why does it say that ONLY God is immortal? Why does it say that a soul can "die." Why must we "put on immortality" at the resurrection if we're already immortal? Why is the resurrection necessary if we are doing just fine as disembodied spirits? Why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us if we are already with Him?

I excitedly await your answers to these questions.
---jerry6593 on 12/13/09


"Though denied by a Vatican spokesman, it has been widely reported in the media recently that Pope John Paul II may be about to make an infallible proclamation, recognizing Mary as the co-redeemer of the human race. Though a long-time Catholic doctrine, such a declaration would elevate the belief to the level of dogma. This would establish Mary's role as co-redeemer as part of the "deposit of faith," a divinely revealed truth, not simply a theological conclusion. The following excerpt from The Gospel According to Rome explains what the Church of Rome means by Mary's work of redemption ."
---mima on 12/13/09


\\ No where through God's Word,written or spoken are we instructed to believe Mary is co-redeemer.\\

Nor does the Roman Catholic Church, or any pre-Reformation Church--teach this, contrary to the lie that mima posted to begin this blog.
---Cluny on 12/12/09


//Does that mean that are two people living in you? That would explain a lot.

Liken to God, human beings are also a trinity - body, soul & spirit. Scripture makes a clear distinction between these 3 entries.

However, the Bible speaks of demon possession, so there may be a 4th entity. Those that claim to be good Christians but have borne no fruits is one indication of either demonic possession or sterility caused by adherence to a false gospel.
---Lee1538 on 12/12/09


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No where through God's Word,written or spoken are we instructed to believe Mary is co-redeemer.
Absent from the body is to be presence with the Lord.Mary's spirit has returned to the one who gave it,her
spirit is with God.
That flesh has returned to dust.(clay)
For all will be transformed.....(the ALL) part has not happened yet,this happens at Christ return.
If God said there is only ONE redeemer,
then there is only ONE.
His Word is definitive.
Some hears aren't open to hear this yet.
The Key word is...yet.
---char on 12/12/09


Jerry -

1 Cor. 15:48-49 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those (plural) who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

This may be like asking the blind to see but what is your interpretation of this section of Scripture. I am not saying that my interpretation is the correct one.

Perhaps your friends Paul9594, Trav, and Gina has an opinion if they have read beyond the Old Testament.
---Lee1538 on 12/12/09


Lee: That was pretty good. Maybe you're becoming a SDA! But the "man of dust and the man of heaven" thing is a little wierd. Does that mean that are two people living in you? That would explain a lot.
---jerry6593 on 12/12/09


\\Why does it say that a soul can "die."\\

Why don't you read the entire context of this verse? You'll see it's a part taken for the whole.

You don't actually think that each verse of the Bible was written as a discrete unit, separate from all the others, do you?
---Cluny on 12/11/09


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I would like to take a crack at these questions if I may.

//Why must we "put on immortality" at the resurrection if we're already immortal?

Contrary to the classic belief, only God has immortality. 1 Tim. 6:16.

Immortality of believers will be granted after the resurrection of the dead. 1 Cor. 15:52f

//Why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us if we are already with Him?

Because there is both the man of dust and the man of heaven.

1 Cor. 15:48-49 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those (plural) who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
---Lee1538 on 12/11/09


Cluny: "Obviously, there is SOME kind of consciousness that survives death."

Then why did Jesus refer to Lazarus' current state as "sleep." Where is the scripture that says that man is immortal? Why does it say that ONLY God is immortal? Why does it say that a soul can "die." Why must we "put on immortality" at the resurrection if we're already immortal? Why is the resurrection necessary if we are doing just fine as disembodied spirits? Why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us if we are already with Him?

I excitedly await your answers to these questions.
---jerry6593 on 12/11/09


\\Well Jerry, if you take the first verse as absoulte 'but the dead know nothing" then the next verse you should also " neither have they any more reward". So what you are saying is the dead would have no "reward" as well as no "Consciousness," and would be denying the resurrection and the rewarding of the righteous ( Rev 20:11-13)
---Ruben on 12/10/09\\

John 5:28
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Lazarus "heard His voice" and came out of the tomb when called by name.

Obviously, there is SOME kind of consciousness that survives death.

Otherwise, the entire NT is a lie.
---Cluny on 12/10/09


"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men," (1 Tim 2:1)


---Ruben on 12/10/09
Sorry Ruben all this says is that we are to pray for everyone, we are still in the flesh. This doesnt say for us to pray to them after they are dead. Moses appeared to Yeshua, but Yeshua didnt pray to Moses, nor Enoch, nor Elijah. If Yeshua did then He lied by telling us to only pray to the Father
---wayne on 12/10/09


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Ruben: The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he that winneth souls is wise. Jesus is the True Vine [John 15 1-6]: we can only win souls by remaining in the vine and that from the nourishing sap of the Word. No-one else can take the glory for winning souls because it's God who prunes or shears the branches in order to bear good fruit. If we don't bear good fruit (win souls) then God will simply use someone else: remember, Jesus doesn't lose a soul and God doesn't share His glory with anyone. So let's snatch them back from the fire in the name of Christ, the Prophet raised to be like Moses (who mediated from the breach). With Moses judging we die, with Jesus we live: poor Mary is in no way imputable.
---John_II on 12/10/09


Ecc 9:5,5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
---jerry6593 on 12/10/09

Well Jerry, if you take the first verse as absoulte 'but the dead know nothing" then the next verse you should also " neither have they any more reward". So what you are saying is the dead would have no "reward" as well as no "Consciousness," and would be denying the resurrection and the rewarding of the righteous ( Rev 20:11-13)
---Ruben on 12/10/09


wayne * Ruben- paul says there is one mediator between YHVH and man and that is the man Yeshua Ha Moshiach. So then the new test contradicts itself is what your saying?

No at at all, example: Paul and others can "save" others thus becoming mini-mediators, of course it comes from God.

Romans 11:13-14 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.

1 Corinthians 7:16 Wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?
---Ruben on 12/10/09


wayne * Should not a people turn to thier own Eloah, should we inquire of the dead for the living? Is 8:19.

Should we not follow in Jesus footsteps:
" And behold two men talk with him, who were Moes and Elijah "(LK 9:30)

wayne * Where did Yeshua tell us to pray to angels or to Mary, or to anyone else but the Father.He doesnt tell us to pray to Himself either, only to the Father.

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men," (1 Tim 2:1)

---Ruben on 12/10/09


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wayne* You fail to mention that in the book of Rev John tries to bow to the angel in veneration and the angel forbids it, why didnt you mention this?

Because I thought we were talking about praying to Saints/Mary, but if he insist. yes we are not bow to worship but to God only but we can bow to honor as scripture shows us:

Rev. 3:9 - Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia.

Gen. 42:6 - Joseph's brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground.
---Ruben on 12/10/09


We know all in heaven prays for us on earth, but we are not told to pray to the dead, only to the Father YHVH
---wayne on 12/9/09

If those in Heaven prays for us which they do, then they must know that we are asking them to pray for us,right? "God is not a God of the dead but of the living"
---Ruben on 12/10/09


Wayne:
"paul says there is one mediator between YHVH and man and that is the man Yeshua Ha Moshiach"
This words mean that Jesus is the only necessary mediator. If you tell others about Jesus, then even you function in fact as a mediator - otherwise how evangelisation could ever be possible? We all can become such mediators, here on earth (and if so, why not in heaven?) But the point is that our mediation depends on the mediation of Jesus and would be worthless without it.
---Robert on 12/10/09


John II: "The mind of Mary is going to be very very difficult to come by"

It sure is! Mary is dead. My Bible tells me:

Ecc 9:5,5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
---jerry6593 on 12/10/09


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The mind of Mary is going to be very very difficult to come by, and you're going to need that if she's going to intercede for you, though I don't know how you're going to forge a conduit just between you and her: aren't all prayers God bound? It's understandable why some would believe that the "mother of God" is effectual over her son, yet to invoke these female patron saints too is simply wasted prayer (which is a shame because I've listened to some lovely ones)! Now if you can get a human being between you and the Christ and believe that person has influence over Him, then there's someone you can face and even concern yourself less over the remissions: this form of nepotism won't get you into Heaven, it's not the Way.
---John_II on 12/9/09


Ruben- paul says there is one mediator between YHVH and man and that is the man Yeshua Ha Moshiach. So then the new test contradicts itself is what your saying? Hebrew scripture says this: Should not a people turn to thier own Eloah, should we inquire of the dead for the living? Is 8:19.
Where did Yeshua tell us to pray to angels or to Mary, or to anyone else but the Father.He doesnt tell us to pray to Himself either, only to the Father. You fail to mention that in the book of Rev John tries to bow to the angel in veneration and the angel forbids it, why didnt you mention this? We know all in heaven prays for us on earth, but we are not told to pray to the dead, only to the Father YHVH
---wayne on 12/9/09


Then explain why you PRAY to her! Hail Mary, The 2000 prayers to Mary, The Rosary and on and on and on. You have 100 times more prayers to this Jewish Teenager than to Jesus Christ. HEY! I know, I grew up Catholic and Jesus was some guy way way in the background. Mary was the savior.

Say what you wish. BUT, we all know the truth about RCC beliefs.. I SURE DO!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/9/09


Pastor Jim, why not stop at a Catholic Church during Mass and then come back here and tell all of us what you heard and saw! Jesus is not a guy way way in the back and Mary is not a Saviour.You do not know anything about RCC beliefs, because if you did you would still be Catholic!
---Ruben on 12/9/09


Not true, we see the Angels intercession:

And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer, and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. (Rev 8:3)
---Ruben on 12/9/09

Ruben, that is a big stretch.
Angels are dispatched and they carry out the will of God. They are servants and soldiers for God but not Intercessors. They are not our lawyers like Jesus is, pleading our cases of sin to God.
---miche3754 on 12/9/09


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Samuel* Mary is blessed. But she did not die for our sins. She is not our High Priest.

No one is sayiong that.

Samuel* The only one who the Bible lists in heaven as our intercessor is JESUS CHRIST.


Not true, we see the Angels intercession:

And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer, and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. (Rev 8:3)
---Ruben on 12/9/09


Then explain why you PRAY to her! Hail Mary, The 2000 prayers to Mary, The Rosary and on and on and on. You have 100 times more prayers to this Jewish Teenager than to Jesus Christ. HEY! I know, I grew up Catholic and Jesus was some guy way way in the background. Mary was the savior.

Say what you wish. BUT, we all know the truth about RCC beliefs.. I SURE DO!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/9/09


Mary is blessed. But she did not die for our sins. She is not our High Priest.

The only one who the Bible lists in heaven as our intercessor is JESUS CHRIST.
---Samuel on 12/9/09


For Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Non-Chalcedonians, and Assyrians, Mariology, including Marian devotion, can ONLY be properly understood within Christology.

Ultimately, it's all about who JESUS is.
---Cluny on 12/9/09


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Luke 11:27-28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
---ROSALIE on 12/8/09

And Mary did just that!

"Let it be done to me according to thy word"(LK 1:38)
---Ruben on 12/8/09


FROM VATICAN II...
Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues TO BRING US GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION.
Pastor Jim


The highlite word should be "INTERCESION", like she did at the wedding feast at Cana. Where she told the servant "Do whatever he tells you"(JHN 2:5)
---Ruben on 12/8/09


Examine this verse carefully. It was Mary the topic but Jesus said those who obey will be blessed too. Mary is human like us, she needs Jesus to save her. Although I believe she was blessed but Jesus does not encourage us to look at her as Gods. Remember The 10 commandmensts (EXODUS 2O:4) should be. THOU
WORSHIP GRAVEN IMAGE.....
Luke 11:27-28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
---ROSALIE on 12/8/09


Pastor Jim:
And how does it show that Mary is equal to Christ?
You omitted (on purpose?) the next fragment:
"Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men ... flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."
If someone worships Mary as a goddess, then he is misled - on that we agree. But you still failed to convince me that my church sees a goddess in Mary.
---Robert on 12/8/09


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FROM VATICAN II...
Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues TO BRING US GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION.

AGAIN....

in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Savior, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, TO RESTORE SUPERNATURAL LIFE TO SOULS. She is our Mother in the order of grace.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/8/09


I guess you really have problems with these verses:

1 Corinthians 9:22 I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed to yourself and to your teaching: hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
---Ruben on 12/8/09


\\Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues TO BRING US GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION.\\

And just WHO is the gift of eternal salvation the Virgin Mary gives us?

Think REAL hard.

BTW--can you provide something to say WHICH of the 26 or so documents of Vatican 2 this is from?

Or did you get it from a second-handed polemical source?
---Cluny on 12/8/09


FROM VATICAN II...
Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues TO BRING US GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix(Grace/Redemption).

AGAIN....

in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Savior, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, TO RESTORE SUPERNATURAL LIFE TO SOULS. She is our Mother in the order of grace.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/8/09


Strange that the Bible doesnt mention anything about Mary knowing she was with child of the HOly Ghost. Apparently she was clueless.
Surely she would have told Joseph had she known. Yet an angel had to enlighten him.
---JackB on 12/7/09

She wasn't that clueless,as you want her to be. She did say " let it be done to me according to thy word"(LK 1:38) and also "But his Mother kept all these things in her Heart"(LK 2:51)
---Ruben on 12/8/09


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Lee1538 * Mary, a created being, attributes that belong only to God.

1 Corinthians 9:22 I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

Shouldn't this be attributes to God only?


Lee * If so, then she has to be omnipresence (everywhere present).

Surely you can find some Documents that say the Catholic Church teaches she is omnipresense!

Lee1538* Is salvation connnected to Mary? Yes says the Roman Church as she is source of all graces.

Did not Jesus come thru Mary to get to us ?And she said "YES" to his plan. "Let it be done to me according to thy word"(LK 1:38)

Lee1538 *And the list goes on.

And the list get shot down each time!
---Ruben on 12/8/09


Pastor Jim:
I can't even imagine how this Sister of ours feels to have Millions upon Millions worshipping her above Christ himself.
******
Can you identify a source in the catholic doctrine which puts Mary above Christ? As long as you can't do that, I submit that you are trying to win the discussion by mere shouting.

Pastor Jim:
Just listen to their Relative Radio or act as if you are one of them.
******

And just to make my point plain: please, spare me the arguments of the sort "I heard it on the radio".
---Robert on 12/8/09


\\I can't even imagine how this Sister of ours feels to have Millions upon Millions worshipping her above Christ himself.\\

I have not actually met any who do so, and I really doubt that you have either, Pastor Jim.

However, if there ARE such people, then they do so NOT because of the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church....

BUT IN SPITE OF IT!
---Cluny on 12/8/09


GOOD POINT JACKB!

I can't even imagine how this Sister of ours feels to have Millions upon Millions worshipping her above Christ himself. Just remember how Paul and Barnabus reacted to being called Zeus/Mars. Or when Cornelius worshipped Peter. Now take that for the 1000s of years that Catholics worship this Jewish woman. Then take her place and see how scared you would be if they did that to you for so long and to such an extent.

ITS SICK!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09


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That's all, who else had a Son who is the Saviour of the world?
---Ruben on 12/7/09

The Father

Why does He not get as much praise as Mary?
God was the One that put the seed in her.

Strange that the Bible doesnt mention anything about Mary knowing she was with child of the HOly Ghost. Apparently she was clueless.

Surely she would have told Joseph had she known. Yet an angel had to enlighten him.
---JackB on 12/7/09


//Because the Catholics made her a Goddess,

Not really true but the Roman Church has given Mary, a created being, attributes that belong only to God.

Are prayers addressed to Mary heard by her. Yes, say the Roman Church. If so, then she has to be omnipresence (everywhere present).

Is salvation connnected to Mary? Yes says the Roman Church as she is source of all graces.

The Roman church says they do not worship however, if we examine the prayers to us, there can be no other conclusion that can be reached.

And the list goes on.
---Lee1538 on 12/7/09


"It makes me happy to be suffering for you now, and in my own body to make up all the hardships that still have to be undergone by Christ for the sake of his body, the Church"
Collosians 1: 24.

Pastor Jim and others, do these words sound blasphemous to you? Do you think that the person who wrote them considered himself a "co-redeemer", equal to Christ? And if not, do you deny that this words could be applied also to Mary? These are simple questions, and I would be grateful for an answer.
---Robert on 12/7/09


Once again the truth comes out, Mary is said to be hypervenerated but not worshiped. No matter what you call it you give glory to someone other then YHVH. The only mediator between man and YHVH is the man Yeshua Ha Moshiach,but scripture once again falls short because mans traditions are more important. RCC also says she is the queen of heaven, yet Jeremiah strongly rebukes this! Its pagan worship no matter if rcc's accept it or not. YHVH condemns this but the rcc traditions are more important.
---wayne on 12/7/09


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There are 26 references to "Redeemer" in the on-line edition of the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.

Not a single one of them applies this word to Mary.

Nor is there any reference to "co-redeemer" or "co-redemptrix" under any spelling.
---Cluny on 12/7/09


PASTOR_JIM * Because the Catholics made her a Goddess,

No you guys do!

PASTOR_JIM Mother of God,

Scripture calls her that:

And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?(Luke 1:43)

Pastor Jim* Co-redeemer

Co in Latin does not mean equal but with :

Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus (Rev 1:4-5, RSV)

---Ruben on 12/7/09


I FEEL VERY SAD FOR MARY!

Because the Catholics made her a Goddess, Mother of God, Co-redeemer and exalt her above Christ. I see this sister running to Christ/Father apologizing for every time someone prays to her and worships her.

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THEY DID THAT TO YOU!!!

How would you feel if you were worshipped like that?

The Protestants almost completely ignore her. Because, after all "Mary is Catholic". If not for her faith, who knows what would have happened. Her faith mimics that of Abrahams sacrifice of Isaac. She was there from the beginning to the cross and in Acts... full of faith. I have never seen a single book or heard a single protestant sermon on Mariam except Christmas. VERY VERY SAD!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/7/09


Mary had a Son, that's all.
---John_II on 12/6/09


That's all, who else had a Son who is the Saviour of the world?
---Ruben on 12/7/09


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Pastor Jim/Mima/Rhonda:

1 Corinthians 9:22 I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed to yourself and to your teaching: hold to that, for by so doing < b> you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Does this mean that Paul/Timothy are co-redeemers?:)
---Ruben on 12/7/09


The world has always "inquired" of God's truth, but has done so while "disrespecting".

Even before God sent His Son, God was faced with "disrespect" and pointed out to the nation of Israel that their idols/"gods" (like the bible, Mary, pastors, brethren, etc.) were the chosen kingdom of their heart...

Ezekiel 14:3
"Son of man, these men have taken their idols into their hearts, and set the stumbling block of their iniquity before their faces, SHOULD I LET myself be inquired of AT ALL by them?".

Of course the bible/TEXT has always been helpful in learning about God (it is INTRODUCTORY, Hebrews 6:1), but Christianity made it an IDOL.

Verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 12/7/09


Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost, not Mary.
---Eloy on 12/7/09


No matter what anyone's reasoning, JESUS ONLY hung on the cross and suffered the crown of thorns, nails, and spear.

Neither the bible nor Mary nor Paul/apostles, pastors, priests/pope, ministers, scholars or any brethren suffered.

The heavenly Father will not tolerate any disrespect of His Son (and has always repaid that disrespect with the "strong delusion").

No one (and nothing) has any spiritual authority except Jesus ONLY....

Matthew 28:18
"ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and earth has been given to me".

Disrespect will not be tolerated.
---more_excellent_way on 12/7/09


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When you hear Catholic Radio or hear them talk amongst themselves. You get the distinct impression that Mary is not the Co-redeemer, but "THE REDEEMER!" and Jesus is in the backround as a possible co-redeemer.\\

That's not what I hear on such programs.
---Cluny on 12/6/09


Can a Catholic explain the hail Mary full of grace thing to me?

How is she full of grace? What exactly did she do?

Ive always wondered
---JackB on 12/6/09


Mary had a Son, that's all.
---John_II on 12/6/09
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Amen biblical Mary is NOT a goddess and per scripture openly stated she was a SINNER in need of the Lord Christ as her Savior

sadly most outside of RCC forget that those WITHIN RCC are brainwashed by repetitive prayers God forbids (many dozens of times every day prayers said for Mary by each "faithful" member of RCC)

PER RCC's catechism all members SUBMIT their minds and wills to their god - pope

this is why their members incessantly say prayers of idolatrous worship to Mary yet they will lie and say they do not because they have willfully given up control of their very own minds and wills to serve this system and a MORTAL man
---Rhonda on 12/6/09


With a cursory glance on wikipedia and a quick perusal of the hits returned on google (that's what most people will do) for RC's position on Mary being Co-Redemptrix, it only leaves further effort in finding out whether it's official or not. But Catholics do pray to Mary to intercede which would certainly give the Co-Redemptrix impression to a new believer, this really needs to be eradicated. Jesus Christ is the Intercedent and no other. Mary is blessed and no doubt a good woman (who sinned too) but invoking her at every service along with Jesus is claiming credence to this misnomer, not even St. Paul or St. Peter get this recognition yet they carried the Gospel: Mary had a Son, that's all.
---John_II on 12/6/09


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The rrc Is a Falsehood in the First place & came from here, 2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15 with r-catholocism's offspring churches. Mary the mother of Jesus had No authority over Jesus Christ down here on earth & certainly she has NO authority in heaven. The rrc calls her holy, thank God the Bible dont say that.
Mary is in her grave waiting for the resurrection.
---Lawrence on 12/6/09


When you hear Catholic Radio or hear them talk amongst themselves. You get the distinct impression that Mary is not the Co-redeemer, but "THE REDEEMER!" and Jesus is in the backround as a possible co-redeemer.

Jesus is not nearly as important to Catholics as Mary.

But outwardly all you hear is denials of this doctrine, Just listen to their Relative Radio or act as if you are one of them. You'll get the real scoop on what they REALLY beleive.
Don't let these posters kid ya!
They speak one way to you and another to themselves.
---Pastor_Jim on 12/6/09


Mima: You answered the question. All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory and there is no salvation in any name except Jesus'. It is one of the many flaws of the RCC's thinking to believe that Mary was in some way connected with salvation or to be deified in any way. She was called "blessed" but that is where it stops. It amazes me when I look at all of the strange things the RCC believes. I just can't understand how they keep people who have access to Bibles and the Holy Spirit, so misinformed. I know well meaning and sincere Catholics who will not hear of the truth. They will not discuss it, period.
---jody on 12/6/09


I think these verses show clearly only Jesus saves,he shed his blood and without shedding of blood in scarifice there is no forgiveness of sin. Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son,and thou shall call his name Jesus:for He shall save His people from their sins. John 3:17 For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world,but that the world through him might be saved. John 10:7,9 Then said Jesus unto them again,Verily,verily,I say unto you,I am the door of the sheep. I am the door:by me if any man enter in,he shall be saved,and shall go in and out,and find pasture.
---Darlene_1 on 12/6/09


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The Vulgate version of Geneis 3.15 reads:

"I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed, she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel"

The Catholic Encyclopaedia says "The reading "she" (ipsa) is neither an intentional corruption of the original text, nor is it an accidental error, it is rather an explanatory version expressing explicitly the fact of Our Lady's part in the victory over the serpent, which is contained implicitly in the Hebrew original"

It's easy to understand how some arch-antiCatholics such as Mima seize on this to say the RC regards Mary as co-Redemptix.

But Mima should stop trying to make trouble
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/6/09


jesus himself said,Iam the resurection,and the life,no one comes to the father but by me.
---tom2 on 12/6/09


mima, does your Bible not say, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"?

This is EXACTLY what you are doing.

The Roman Catholic Church has NEVER taught that Mary is co-redemtrix.

There are quite a few people with a zeal not according to knowlege who are pushing for this proposition to be defined as a dogma, but it has already been rejected several times by popes and others.

Shame on you, mima!
---Cluny on 12/6/09


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