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Alan, consider the source, Warwick is known to wrest the scriptures and dis all righteous Christians whom profess the truth. For we know that the great commission from our Lord God Jesus Christ is to go into all the world and share the glorious gospel with the sinners, just as he also sat down with sinners and witnessed to truth to them. Some will accept the truth, as on here, and be saved: and some will mock, as on here, and remain separated.
---Eloy on 12/16/09


Alan you are correct. However I have a solution: I will only worship our Lord and Saviour at night, not in the day! Do you reckon that will work?

The 'blue meanies' have really got me worried now. Am I now totally paganized?

I ate at a restaurant owned by Buddhists.
I listened to a man on radio talking about signs of the zodiac.
The woman who recently renewed my licence is Bahai
The man who fixed my computer was Muslim.
I have also had contact with Zoroastrians, Jehovah's witnesses, Greenies, whale diviners, and those who ponder upon naval fluff.
And worst of all I said a prayer to The Lord on a bus driven by a Sikh!!!!!!

Goodbye cruel world it is too late for me!
---Warwick on 12/15/09


MarkV: "...the Holy Spirit speaks to our conscience..."

Satan also speaks to the conscience.
---Steveng on 12/15/09


Again, what about all those millions of immigrants who came to america (and other countries who celebrate christmas) and discovered Christ, and were then converted, all because of christmas.

And about those hundreds of thousands of so-called denominational christians who celebrated christmas for many, many years and through one sermon discovered the true Christ.

It's a shome that Christ can't be worshiped every day of the year like christians do on christmas.
---Steveng on 12/15/09


Not long after Aurelian made Mithra principal patron of the Roman Empire, Emperor Diocletian began a systematic campaign of vicious persecution of early Christians.

After murdering 1000's of Christians, Diocletian decided to celebrate the death of so many of Christ's followers by throwing a party.

That 'party' was held by Diocletian on December 25, dedicating his efforts to stamp out Christianity to his own god, Mithra.

The following Emperor, Constantine then forms the RCC and forces all under pain of death to continue with this diabolic, anti-Christ Dec.25 celebration.

Warwick and his pagan friends continue this 'party' and are nothing but stooges of the anti-Christ, pagan cult religion of the sun-god Mithra.
---David8318 on 12/15/09




Warwick ... There are NO DAYS AT ALL when we can worship HIm.

We've already been lectured at great length why Sunday is wrong,

Monday ... named after the Moon.

Tui (Tuesday)is the God of War

You have shown why Wednesday should be forbidden

Thursday ...Thor is the Norse God of Thunder

Friday ... after the Teutonic goddess of love, beauty, & prolific procreation

Saturday is named sfter Saturn (Roman god of agriculture)


---alan8566_of_uk on 12/15/09


David you fail to understand Christian's worship the Lord Jesus as Creator and Redeemer. We worship Him everywhere, on every day. Via research we would surely find man has dedicated every day of the year to some false god.

As a born-again Christian (we must be born-again as Jesus said) I worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, every day, on days dedicated to Shiva, Molech, Buddha,et al. I will worship Him today Wednesday or Woden's Day as it was originally called. Woden being the chief Anglo-Saxon/Teutonic god. Being Christian, not pagan, nor superstitious I know there is only one living God. The others are just names.

You as a Jehovah's witness parade as a Christian but you are not. You deny the reality of who Jesus is.
---Warwick on 12/15/09


Paul, I don't have any idea what religion you are from or what church you attend, but as I can see, you question what I said about conscience. And then ask me a question about Christ. My purpose in life is Christ, not no pagan god, I don't even follow their days for those days mean nothing to me. On the other hand, you Rhonda, Jim, and a few others want to keep the pagan gods holiday, alive. What matters is what I believe and what I feel my conscience tells me, since the Holy Spirit speaks to our conscience. And My conscience says all of you who oppose for Christ to have His day, are completely wrong, because you rather give the pagan gods their day instead. Those days are kept alive by people like you, Rhonda, Jim who teach pagan holidays.
---MarkV. on 12/15/09


MakV.

You said:
No one wants anyone to go against Conscience. If you think some thing wrong, don't do it.


How about measuring what is right and wrong by the conscience of the living Torah of love: Christ? Expressed in His Torah for us.

Do you object to Christ mindset and manners in the Gospels what's wrong with walking after His likeness?

Do you object to this?
---Paul9594 on 12/14/09


Good news for women like Rhonda!!

They will encompass men in positions of authority even teaching but not be above the men leadership!!

Definitely women teaching the apostasy of today do not qualify, to encompass godly men.

The Apostleship of our day will be of 144,00 MEN! KEEPING THE HEAD BY MEN.

But what is the Scriptural authority from the Torah that will let women like Rhonda ENCOMPASS MEN!! Anyone?
---Paul9594 on 12/14/09




no. It came to where we acknowledged or knew about it in the time of constitine, then later the holiday got legalized. Jesus according to the Jewish holy days & events was born between Sept-nov. he is 6months younger then John the baptist his cousin in the previous winter season.
---candice on 12/14/09


JackB:
Ah,JackB, you need to quote FOUNDATION OF THIS passage to get FULL CONTEXT:

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly....
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Why argue about this any further?///

BECAUSE you missed this:
Col 2:8 TAKE HEED lest there shall be ANY ONE that maketh spoil of you through his PHILOSPHY and VAIN deceit, after the TRADITION of men, after the RUDIMENTS of the world, AND NOT, AND NOT, AND NOT after Christ: :)
---Paul9594 on 12/14/09


The World Book Encyclopedia states: "[Christmas] was influenced by pagan (unchristian) festivals held at that time. The ancient Romans held year-end celebrations to honor Saturn, their harvest god, and Mithras [the sun god]."

The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "On Dec. 25, 274, [Roman emperor] Aurelian had proclaimed the sun-god [Mithras] principal patron of the empire . . . Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome."

God's word asks: "What harmony is there between Christ and Belial (Satan)?" 2Cor.6:14-18.

Those who celebrate Christmas do not honour God and Christ, but perpetuate the cult of the sun religion and honour pagan gods.
---David8318 on 12/14/09


JackB:
Ah,you need to quote FOUNDATION OF THIS passage to get FULL CONTEXT:

//Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly....
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Why argue about this any further?///

BECAUSE you missed this:
Col 2:8 TAKE HEED lest there shall be ANY ONE that maketh spoil of you through his PHILOSPHY and VAIN deceit, AFTER AFTER the TRADITION OF MEN, AFTER the RUDIMENTS of the world, AND NOT, AND NOT, AND NOT after Christ: :) Paul speaks against traditions of men not against traditions of Christ!!
---Paul9594 on 12/14/09


MarkV ... You're right, it is Rhonda and those like her who make December 25th a pagan day

David said elsewhere "Warwick knows December 25 is from pagan mythology" Really ... December 25th is a calendar date, same as any other of the 365/366 days of the calendar.

Heither want us to worship Christ on that day. What others will they forbid? As you say, if we follow them, we won't be allowed to worship Christ at all!

Rhonda, David, Pastor Jim, etc are those who are giving glory to paganism.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/14/09


According to The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 'December 25, the birthday of Mithra, the Iranian god of light and . . . the day devoted to the invincible sun, as well as the day after the Saturnalia... was adopted by the church as Christmas....'

True Christians recognise from scripture that Jesus was born early October, and have been set free of the burdens of the non-christian celebration of MITHRA-MAS. (Jo.8:32) Everyone knows the Bible doesn't give December 25 as Jesus' birth. But not everyone knows why December 25 is used by Satans world or where December 25 comes from.

To all those celebrating on the pagan date December 25, have a very merry MITHRA-MAS.

The Mithra-mas you get, is the Mithra-mas you deserve.
---David8318 on 12/14/09


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We see Christians here who celebrate Christmas, Christ's birth: and also nonChristians who do not, and they wrest the scriptures, and dis and bash us Christians who do.
---Eloy on 12/14/09


Rhonda, your raving and threats towards those who want to celebrate Christ anyday they want will not work. You are actually working for the other side, the enemy. You actually want the pagan gods to have their own days. To forget Christ on pagan days, which if you checked, He would not be able to take one day since pagans celebrate just about everyday. So you recommand that we forget about Christ, and just allow those days for pagan gods. Thats your opinion and not one that any true Christian believes in. Christ takes first choice. Go ahead and give pagans their days, you will be rewarded later.
---MarkV. on 12/14/09


Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Why argue about this any further?

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
---JackB on 12/14/09


Anyone who feels in their conscience it is wrong, they should not celebrate the birth of Christ. No one wants anyone to go against Conscience. If you think some thing wrong, don't do it.
*****

nice fluff for lip service "christians" antichrist to Holy Word of God - nothing permits a True Christian to do what is "right" in their own eyes ...True Christians OBEY doing what God has declared RIGHT

True Christians OBEY Christ and come out of the world and ITS traditions of men Mark 7:6-7

per Holy Scripture God HATES pagan traditions WARNS to not MIX pagan with HIM

free moral agency allows one to give lip service to Christ worship him in vain by mocking God mixing profane vile pagan ways with HIM
---Rhonda on 12/13/09


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You people really need to get a christian life.
---Steveng on 12/13/09


Amen David

thank you for taking the time to document line by line with Gods Holy Word the LIES Eloy has used to pollute scripture with his gross misunderstanding ...either duped by false ministers or purposely drunk in deception by distorting scripture to FIT RCC's pagan christ-mas

The Father in Heaven HATES pagans and WARNS not to mix pagan traditions with Him ...scripture also condemns use of RCC's christ-mas the word is blasphemy by ADDING to the Holy name of Christ

True Christians worship The Father in Spirit and Truth - not mens traditions Mark 7:6-7

christ-mas honors RCC who on her authority "christianized" this day to MOCK Biblical Christ
---Rhonda on 12/13/09


Yes, the celebration of Christmas is Biblical. Christ Jesus's birth is chronicled on the night of December 25th, 5 B.C. in a lodging in the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, of Judaea, and the Lamb was quilt-strapped and laid in a feed rack because there was no room for him in the quarters.
---Eloy on 12/13/09


It stands to reason that the mere fact Eloy states Zechariah was performing Atonement day services at Luke 1 in itself means Eloy believes Zechariah was High Priest. The account in Luke 1 does not say he was engaged in Atonement day services, and Annas was High Priest at the time anyway.

The account at Luke 1:8 states that Zechariah was 'acting as priest (NOT High Priest) in the assignment of his division before God'. Zechariah was performing a routine temple duty in the 'division of Abijah'.

Zechariah was in the 2nd round of the 8th course, about early July- 6 months before Mary's conception of Jesus.

Sanctimonious Eloy judges the salvation of others based on his own pagan gospel, and not that of God's.
---David8318 on 12/13/09


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The 24 priestly divisions (1Chron24:7-18) began to count on the final day of the feast of tabernacles which closed the festive year, this being in the 7th month (Ethanim). Also, Solomon's temple was dedicated in the 7th month & priestly service began then (2Chron.7:10). Our calendar, Ethanim is late Sept.early October.

Zechariah was a priest 'of the division of Abijah'- the 8th course (Lu.1:5).

Ethanim our starting point, the 1st round of 24 courses plus the 8 courses of the annual second round (to the 'division of Abijah'), would extend into the next Jewish year's 4th month. This meant that the 8th course's 2nd round fell (on our calendar) in late June or early July.

Jesus was born 15mths later in early October.
---David8318 on 12/13/09


David, I think it is humorous that you think that you know what I believe when in truth you do not, and also it is rather humorous that you think that you know whom Zacharias was, when in truth you do not. According to the Scripture, Aaron was the first high priest (Leviticus 8), and he also went into the sanctuary, as every priest goes into the sanctuary, and Aaron also burned incense (Exodus 30:7-10). Now until you get saved, the truth of the gospel you will not believe, but instead you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/13/09


Eloy continues to believe Zechariah was High Priest. Annas was High Priest at the time,and he would have officiated Atonement day. Zechariah was never Hi.Priest, and he wasn't engaged in Atonement services.Lu.1:8

Zechariah did'nt enter the 'Most Holy'. He entered 'the sanctuary' (the 'Holy') "to offer incense". The 'Holy' is where the altar of incense is located.Lu.1:9

Eloy's calculations are thus hopelessly erroneous and inaccurate.

Zechariah was serving in the priestly 'Division of Abijah', one of the 24 priestly divisions formed in David's time. The 'Div.of Abijah' was the 8th.(1Chron.24:10)

Zechariah was in the 2nd round of the 8th course, about early July- 6 months before Mary's conception of Jesus.
---David8318 on 12/12/09


AlanofUK believes he is being chastised because he is being told the truth?

I'm not chastising anyone, just simply pointing out what the scriptures teach and the origins of the date December 25.

If a river is being polluted up stream with poison and people are drinking out of it down stream, would you sound a warning?

Satan has polluted the worship of many up the stream of time. God knows the origin of these pagan teachings and festivals, and where they come from.

'You cannont feed from the table of God and the table of demons'- 1Cor.10:21.

The river you're drinking from Alan is polluted.
---David8318 on 12/12/09


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Gordon, the birth date of Jesus is chronicled as December 25, 5 B.C., when Caesar Augustus decreed that all the world would be chronicled: and the historical record was taken to Rome, and this date was given to Cyril the bishop in Jerusalem in the 4th Century A.D. And ever since then Christians around the world have been annually celebrating Christ's birth on this confirmed date, December 25.
---Eloy on 12/12/09


A.D. 125-136: The 2d Bishop of Rome, Telesphorus, proclaimed church services should celebrate "The Nativity of our Lord & Savior."

200s: 3d-century theologians concluded a birth date of December 25 based on the tradition that John the Baptist was born on June 24th. Luke taught Christ was born six months after his cousin John (see 1:26-38).
---Leon on 12/12/09


Yes, the Celebration of the Birth of CHRIST YAHUSHUA (JESUS) is indeed Biblical. But, the date of December 25th, by which many celebrate it, is not.
---Gordon on 12/12/09


While it is true that the Bible gives no explicit instruction to celebrate the birth of Christ (or Easter, or Sunday worship, for that matter), nonetheless, it affords to Christians a time for sharing the joy of Christianity with an unbelieving world. It is a time of peace on earth and good will to men. A time when normally hardened hearts may be softened somewhat, and be more receptive to hearing the "good news" of the Christchild, and the message of salvation to a dying world.
---jerry6593 on 12/12/09


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I agree with Dustin on 12/9/09

Let us not invent ways to honor God.

Instead, let us honor the days that He has given to us.

Let us honor His true birth day, the Feast of Tabernacles. Let us acknowledge that His birth and circumcision were the first and eighth days of the festival. Let us acknowledge that he was born in a sukkah and not a "manger".

Let us celebrate His Jewishness and stay away from celebrations that make us feel good but do not honor Him in the way He asks us to.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/12/09


Jesus never commanded His followers to celebrate His birthday, nor did He ever say not to. And since no one knows the exact day, not even David, the 25th of Dec. sounds as good a day as any. Anyone who feels in their conscience it is wrong, they should not celebrate the birth of Christ. No one wants anyone to go against Conscience. If you think some thing wrong, don't do it.
---MarkV. on 12/12/09


david8318 on 12/11, couldn't agree more.it takes study but it is there. i personally don't care when people celebrate christmas, but if they're going to disagree they should study first
---michael_e on 12/11/09


David, Zacharias was performing the priests Day of Atonement to make atonement for himself and the people in the 7th month (Heb: Ethanim= Eng: October- Lev.16:29-34+ 23:26-32). Now the angel Gabriel spoke to him at this time, Lk.1:8-11. Elizabeth in her 6th month of pregnancy, when Mary conceives seed from the Holy Ghost (from October, November is 1, December is 2, January is 3, and so on up to April is the 6th month- Lk.1:26,27,36). Now count 9 months for Mary's pregnancy, 1,Abib or Nisan, April + 2,Zif, May + 3,Siuan, June + 4,Tammuz, July + 5,Ab, August + 6,Elul, September + 7,Ethanim, October + 8,Bul, November + 9,Chisleu, December. Thus fulfilling the prophecy of Heggai 2:15-19, Jesus the Cornerstone was indeed born on December 25.
---Eloy on 12/11/09


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David ... Jesus never commanded us not to celebrate His birthday

And He never commanded you to chastise us for celebrating His birthday.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/11/09


Jesus was born at the end of September, beginning of October.

Jesus was 6 months younger than John the Baptist. We know this from Luke 1:36 when Mary, just after being 'overshadowed' by HS, visited Elizabeth in her 6 month pregnancy with John. Jesus' conception in Mary's womb was therefore 6 months after Zechariah (John's father) was told that Elizabeth will give birth to John. Lu.1:11-13

Zechariah was serving as Priest at the time of the angel's visit, as Lu.1:5 reports-'of the division of ABIJAH'.

Thus according to scripture, Jesus was born 15mths after 'the division of Abijah'(6mths+9mths), or at the end of September, beginning of October.

Jesus never commanded his followers to celebrate his birth, only his death.
---David8318 on 12/11/09


Gordon, but the findings of all that research is false, for the Holy Scripture in both testaments tell us exactly when Jesus was born: according to the Holy Scripture, the man Jesus Christ was proven to be born in the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 oclock Mediterraean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C. So whose report are you going to believe, unregenerate clay or God's?
---Eloy on 12/11/09


"Now set your heart from this day and upward, from the 24th day of the ninth, from the day that the foundation of Yhwh's temple was laid, set your heart: from this day will I bless. And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office in front of God in the order of his course. The angel said to Zacharias, your wife Elisabeth will bear you a son, and you will call his name John. And in the 6th month of the angel was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph: and the virgin's name Mariam. And here, your cousin Elisabeth, she also has conceived a son in her old age: and this is the 6th month with her, who was called barren." Heggai 2:18,19+ Luke 1:8,13,27,27,36.
---Eloy on 12/11/09


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"Now set your heart from this day and upward, from the 24th day of the ninth, from the day that the foundation of Yhwh's temple was laid, set your heart: from this day will I bless. And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office in front of God in the order of his course. The angel said to Zacharias, your wife Elisabeth will bear you a son, and you will call his name John. And in the 6th month of the angel was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph: and the virgin's name Mariam. And here, your cousin Elisabeth, she also has conceived a son in her old age: and this is the 6th month with her, who was called barren." Heggai 2:18,19+ Luke 1:8,13,27,27,36.
---Eloy on 12/11/09


The reason Gordan for not trying to move Christmas day closer to the actual birthday of JESUS is we do not know the precise day first. Second this day has a long tradition that is not harmful or against the Bible.

So why try to change a tradition for no good reason?
---Samuel on 12/11/09


Does it really matter what day of the year Jesus was born? Shouldn't we be rejoicing soley in the fact that he was born & has made a way of salvation to all who believe on his name? Isn't that the real point?
---Leon on 12/11/09


My question is this. If the whole reason why the Church celebrates Christmas is really because of the Birth of CHRIST...Why do we not try to make the best effort to look into when CHRIST was actually born? Studies and researches have already been done and it is found that CHRIST was born, not in December, let alone December 25th, but rather He was born on the Festival of "Sukkot", the "Feast of Tabernacles", which, because it is marked by the Jewish Calendar, falls anywhere within the months of September and October on the Roman calendar. Our GOD is a God of Truth, and wants His followers to seek ALL Truth. Would that not also include honouring the Birth of our MESSIAH on His ACTUAL Birthdate?
---GORDON on 12/11/09


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The catholic church used the holiday as a means to help the pagans transision into christianity better. So the tradition has no real roots in scriptures.

Why don't we celebrate it during the spring time anyways, not only for the celebration of christs birth, but to avoid the cold weather.
---JoelV. on 12/11/09


Rhonda:

"Christ" isn't a name, it's a title or description - Greek for "The Annointed" (the Hebrew word "Messiah" has the same meaning).

Even so, the same thing happened to the community of believers when they were called Christians - adding "ian" to the end. The name "Christopher" means "Christ-bearer", an honorific and hardly blasphemous.

If you look at the Old Testament, a very large number of names contain "-iah", "-iel", "Jo-", "Jeho-", etc. - all combinations and expansions involving the name of God. If combining God's name with other words is blasphemy, you might as well toss most of the Bible's heroes into hell.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/09


Christmas is a pagan holiday, it has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, neither was Jesus born on Dec.25 its a lie. No one in the bible celebrated Christ birth year after year, and they knew when he was born !!!

According to the bible Jesus was born sometime in the spring, read Luke.1:5 !!!
---shane on 12/11/09


Cluny, consider the source, Rongda is unregenerate, for she is exposed as a frequent desecrating speaker against the holy scriptures and also against all righteous Christians whom profess the truth.
---Eloy on 12/11/09


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Many of you say, "Christmas is not biblical." Or you say, "Christmas had it's roots as a pagan holiday."


If it were not for Christmas, millions of people would not be saved.

Do all things to glorify God. If people celebrate Christmas that glorifies God what harm is there? It's within the heart that matters.

Do not try to convince others that Christmas should not be celebrated. If you believe that it shouldn't be celebrated then don't celebrate it and leave other to celebrate it.
---Steveng on 12/10/09


\\it is blasphemy to ADD to Christs HOLY name

religious christianity \\

And you just did the VERY SAME THING you condemn others for, Rhonda.

YOU TOO added three letters of Christ's holy Name.

There's a word Jesus used for people like you. Shall I give you book, chapter, and verse?
---Cluny on 12/10/09


"And the angel said to them, Fear not: for here I bring you glad tidings of great joy, which will be to all people. For to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this a sign to you: you all will find the babe quilt-strapped, lying in a feed rack. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." Luke 2:10-14.
---Eloy on 12/10/09


The Encyclopedia Americana says: 'Most of the customs now associated with Christmas were not originally Christmas customs but rather were pre-Christian and non-Christian customs taken up by the Christian church. Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas...'

According to The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 'December 25, the birthday of Mithra, the Iranian god of light and . . . the day devoted to the invincible sun, as well as the day after the Saturnalia, was adopted by the church as Christmas....'

So the pagan birthday celebration continued with a simple switch in names, from Mithra to Christ!

'Christmas celebration' is unbiblical.
---David8318 on 12/9/09


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Can men invent ways to "honor" God? In Luke 9:33-35 Peter wanted to honor the Lord in his own way but a voice from the cloud instructed him to listen to Jesus. In other words, Christ would tell him how to worship. I wonder if the Church would be comfortable with me picking 5, 10 or 15 events in Christ's life and making a special "christian" holiday out of them? It seems that this kind of thing would distract from the things that the Bible actually instructs us to do. But if one special Christian day is fine to observe, then who can tell me that 10 or 12 or an infinite amount of these days are wrong? I think we should listen to the "voice in the cloud" just like Peter was instructed.
---Dustin on 12/9/09


Christmas is not a Biblical day. But so what? Any time people take time to think about JESUS even for a few minutes is a good thing.

Let us celebrate JESUS. One christian radion station in my town played Christmas music in July. They stated correctly Christians can celebrate the first advent of JESUS any time.

Let us work on being ready for His Second Coming.

Marantha
---Samuel on 12/9/09


To the question, Christmas is not biblical. Christmas was originally instituted, Dec. 25th which was indeed a pagan festival commemorating the birthday of a false god. While this is historical, what is frequently overlooked is that the church's choice of December 25th was intentional. Instead of Christianizing a pagan festival, the church established a rival celebration. While the world has all but forgotten the Greco-Roman gods of antiquity, with the exception of few here who still follow them, and want to remind you of them, we are annually reminded that two thousand years ago Christ invaded time and space. Which reminds us that our Savior came and "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down His life for His friends"
---MarkV. on 12/9/09


Larry, A-men.
---Eloy on 12/8/09


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John8658, In more than one place within both testaments recorded is the date of Jesus' birth as December 25, 5 B.C. Lit.Hb: "Now set your heart from this day and upward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth (Heb.ninth month= chisleu, Eng= december), from the day that the foundation of Yhwh's temple was laid, set your heart: from this day will I bless. Heggai 2:18,19. Which the cornerstone is fulfilled in Luke 1:8-11,26,27,36. Lit.Gk: "And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and quilt-strapped him, and laid him in a feed rack: because there was no room for them in the quarters." Luke 2:7.
---Eloy on 12/8/09


Surely you do not mean to say, Leave Christ out of Christmas? for Christ is Not religion, but Christ is God become flesh in Bethlehem. I say do not pollute Christ's holy birth with nonChrist crap,
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you already pollute and blasphemy the name of Christ by adding three letters to his name that represent the origin of where those letters came from

Bible has no word of christ-mas

only other place to determine where this VILE word came from is history well documented it is DEATH of Christ

it is blasphemy to ADD to Christs HOLY name

religious christianity is deceived by the authority of RCC to mock and blasphemy the Holy name of Christ with its christ-mas word
---Rhonda on 12/8/09


Thaks Eloy, have a wonderful Christmas of enjoying the families God gave us, the celebration of his son, and the opportunity to witness to who my pastor refers to as CEO's. Christmas and Easter only.
---larry on 12/8/09


Bcoz there is no records in the bible that Christ was born in the month of dec 25, but there is a clue given in the bible in the book of matt from ch 1to3 when elizabath was 6months pregnant there came Gabriel with a msg to mary to convey tht she is concived through the power of Holy Spirit if you compare the hebrew calender with greg'ian calender the day when angel Gabriel gave msg to mary it was the month of jan, b'coz 6 months before jan Gabriel reveled to the high priest husband of elizabath that she is concived with a male child. so from jan if we caluclate 9months it comes to the month of october,the 7th month of the year according to hebrew calender so no celebration of christmas, faith without a proof is a sin,in rom chp. JohnINDIA
---John8658 on 12/8/09


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1st cliff, Christians celebrate Christ's birth on December 25th, which it actually historically is, WITHOUT ANY PAGAN PARAPHERNALIA. And what nonChristian pagan's celebrate on Christ's birth has zero bearing on Christ's birthday, and on the Christian's celebrating Christ's birth. One of the oldest lies of the nonChristian is the lie that Christians take pagan holidays and convert them to Christian holy days, when in truth it is the other way around, where pagan's take real Christian holy days and use them for their pagan days, and not vice versa. Pagans add santy clauses, reindeers, elves, saturnalias, and whatever else fancies their nonChristianed mind to fabricate and then substitute the truth of Christ with these falsehoods.
---Eloy on 12/8/09


lets see,why not,jesus was born,lived,and died,should we not celebrate his entire life?always remember he is alive now,and forever.we should celebrate everything about him.
---tom2 on 12/8/09


If Christmas is celebrated that gives glory to God, then, by all means, celebrate all you want. Giving thanks to God the Father in all that you do. We give thanks for bringing His son to earth. We give thanks for the food on the table, a roof over our heads and the gifts we receive and give. We give thanks for the jobs we have and the surplus money we make to share with others in need at this special time of year when needs is more prevalant - although we should give every day of the year.

If you believe that Christmas is a pagan holiday then let you continue in your belief and let others keep it in their way.
---Steveng on 12/7/09


Eloy, Which is worse, celebrating Christmas as Christ's birthday with all the pagan paraphernalia,or treating it as a secular happy time of bright lights and singing,without religious attachment???
Just a colorful time (like Saturnalia, which it really is) void of any connection with "religion" true or false!
---1st_cliff on 12/7/09


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ist cliff, Surely you do not mean to say, Leave Christ out of Christmas? for Christ is Not religion, but Christ is God become flesh in Bethlehem. I say do not pollute Christ's holy birth with nonChrist crap, and do not even try to censor nor silence any Almighty Holy-Spirit filled temple of Christ at any time unless one wants to antagonize their own Maker whom holds their very breath in the palm of his hand. What do you suppose Christ Almighty thinks when he looks down from heaven upon the people and sees them celebrating every other thing except himself, or worse yet, replacing himself whom personally sacrificed his life for them, with an idol santy clause in red leotards? Yes, keep Christ in CHRIST-mas!
---Eloy on 12/7/09


Many years ago I was vehemently opposed to all the pagan trappings of Christmas locked in an "ism"
BUT (big but) we live in the north where daylight is scarce, brightened up by all the beautiful colored lights,that I think would be intolerably "bleak",were they to end!
Families gathered together ,(feasting on the sacrificial bird) which may not happen without this seasonal celebration!
We don't worship Christmas but it does brighten up a miserable cold dark time of year Huh?
Some say "Keep Christ in Christmas"
I say leave "religion" out of it
---1st_cliff on 12/7/09


although the birth of Christ is very important, maybe, what we celebrate in Dec.is actually the conception, that would be more miraculus than the birth. The birth date of Jesus is in the bible if really look for it.
---michael_e on 12/7/09


No. Jerimiah films " the unwrapping of christmas" clarifies the subject.

Tertullian and other church writers did not condon this mixed pagan celebration in winter.

Celebrating Christ as the Light of the World and preparing for the endtimes by filling up on the oil of the Holy Spirit so we can overcome the anti-Christ through the blood of the lamb, our testimony, and not loving our life unto death is what we should focus on. Many are unwise virgins following traditions of men.

Hannukh (FEAST OF DEDICATION)promotes these points. Besides the miracle of oil not runnung out. It teaches not giving in to assimilation of larger pagan culture even if means martyrdom.

We should do what Jesus did=John 10:22-23
---Yochanan on 12/7/09


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Jody
I'm Thankful for His Birth, if He wasn't born then there would not have been His death-burial & resurrection (Easter).
I've read about what you said, to give honor even cellebrate His death. I couldn't seem to find the scripture again, just didn't mark it to find again.
---Lawrence on 12/7/09


Here's a few other celebrations that are not mentioned in the Bible ... Thanksgiving, Independance Day, Remembrance Day.

But they are not prohibited, nor are Jesus's Birth, nor His Death, nor His Resurrection.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/7/09


Yes celebrating Christ's birth is Biblical. lit.Gk: "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, here, there came magi from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and quilt-strapped him, and laid him in a feed rack, because there was no room for them in the quarters. And they went into the lodging, and found the infant with Mariam the mother of him, and kneeled down and worshipped him. And opening their treasures, they offered to him gifts: amber, libani, and sweet myrrh." Matthew 2:1,2+ Luke 2:7+ Matthew 2:11.
---Eloy on 12/7/09


Since the Christmas story (birth of Jesus Christ, our Saviour) is in the Bible, I must say YES!!! Afterall, "GOOD NEWS" (the Gospel of Jesus Christ) is definitely worth celebrating to the high heavens in contrast to all the unholy, stinking bad news that's constantly being dumped into & fills the world. Don't you agree? :)
---Leon on 12/6/09


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\\ I have not seen anything in the New Testament that would remotely suggest that we should celebrate the birth of Christ.\\

Where does it say we should not celebrate His birth?

And, in case you didn't know, what do you think Good Friday and Pascha (Easter) are about except for celebrating the death and Resurrection of Jesus?
---Cluny on 12/6/09


theres nothing wrong with celebrating the birth of jesus,if that is what you are doing,but if its all about presents,or santa,or decorating,or your bonus,then you are actually being wordly.
---tom2 on 12/6/09


The Bible offers no date for Jesus' birth. The presence of shepherds "keeping watch over their flock by night" [Luke, 2:8] suggests that Jesus' birth may have actually occurred in the spring during lambing--the only time of year shepherds watched their flocks both day and night.
In the early fourth century, church leaders decided they needed a Christian alternative to the winter solstice celebrations. They chose December 25th as the date of Jesus' birth.
---Sissy3396 on 12/6/09


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