All Things Without Complaining
Paul has given us, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) Does God really expect this . . . if He commands this? I notice the *comma* after this commandment, so what else is there to this?
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---Bill_bila5659 on 12/7/09
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Earlier verses important to this. 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Also vs 13
---Chria9396 on 11/13/12|
Philippians 2:12-15 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of HIS good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputings:That ye may be blameless and harmless, THE SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world,
---J_Marc on 11/13/12|
You are so right! God does gives us liberties. He goes a lot on intent. Have to watch out for your intent.
---pat on 11/12/12|
Hello,Pat that blogg talking bout the integrity, very good. In the mornings that what I love to have my prayer and go over these bloggs snd write down notes and verses. I have learn alot on here. May the lord bless you today. I will be on here lord bless get back from hospital. I prayed thru out the night.thankyou for being here.
---ELENA on 11/13/12|
Hello,again.Pat I heard a minister tell in his preaching how like Job's friends came his friends made it worse. So the minister said there are times when " yes " you can or may complain, but then get ready when God gets ready to put you in line. He mentioned God is in control and God does not need NO help from you.He the potter and we.just lkke pieces of clay.
---ELENA on 11/12/12|
A lot! There were a couple of times when I just knew I had crossed the line. I was waiting for God to take my last breath from my body. I am still breathing. The Christian is called to unquestioned submission to God's will. [The Isralites had a stubborn spirit], and God killed them all, except for a couple who had a different kind of spirit....Murmurings>>to mutter, to murmur, an expression of secret and solemn discontent, God sees it...Disputings>>The thinking of a man deliberately with himself, rationalizing and calculating. We don't want to calculate. imagnation [Rom. 1:21]....Harmless>>sincere,unmixed, pure, unadulterated. Refers to inward, intrinsic, character. Blameless>> faultless, without defect, deseving no censure. Moral integrity.
---pat on 11/12/12|
Old blogg but a good one.We all know the flesh always at enmity with the spirit.We got to line up our physical ' man with the spiritual man. We.must seek His face, pray and keep built up in faith, perseverance..it like my house have to clean day by day not a year then yikes" ..we got do as the lord please Matt.6.13,14,15. Let our light shine.
---ELENA on 11/11/12|
Bill ... There's no need for me to say what I think the reasons are!
The reason for obeying the commandment in verse 14 is fully explained in verses 15 and 16.
But that does not mean we all succeed in obeying!
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/11/09|
Alan, I understand you were doing this. What is the "reason" you think this command is for (o:
Yes, Mark Eaton, and are we going at the speed of God's grace (o: Thank you (o:
Yes, Mark V . . . right before this command we have how God is working in us . . . making us so we succeed at relating "without complaing and disputing " > instead of complaining and arguing about things that would keep our attention away from God. Yes, we can grow in this "love of God . . . poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us" (Romans 5:5), and this can have us growing to more and better than what we can wish and think and be complaining and arguing about not getting (o: > Proverbs 8:11, Psalm 63:3.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/11/09|
In case the irony of "questioning" a verse that prohibits "questioning" wasn't noticed, it is this very act that is very TRUSTING of a LOVING KIND God that is a demonstration of the courage it takes to discover the real truth of Abba Father (a very bold move in order to know God better).
The common understanding is that it is dangerous to go outside scripture (it must be done with caution and wisdom), but it's end is a "more excellent" devotion and the "depths of God". No doubt, the courage shown has made the Father proud.
2 Timothy 1:7
"for God did not give us a spirit of timidity".
It is this supreme act of courage that is necessary to to be freed from slavery.
---more_excellent_way on 12/10/09|
WHAT?.....you dare QUESTION? (trusting that Abba Father is not a tyrant?..."academic" questioning in order to gain understanding is good).
Some people simply complain, complain, complain about what is being discussed, but they have no actual OBJECTION, they are simply NAYSAYERS but have no real (productive) input to add to a discussion/debate.
There are many injustices in this "crooked and perverse generation" and if we don't voice actual OBJECTIONS about what we actually/realistically have control of, we become complicit (an accomplice) in letting the injustice happen.
Do not simply complain and whine (grumble), but shine as lights in the world (voice OBJECTIONS).
---more_excellent_way on 12/9/09|
Yes, He expects us to do this and many more things. A serious study of the Epistles, James, and Peter will reveal a lot of things that God expects us to do that our flesh will not like. Like being subjective to all the governing authorities. Broken the speed limit lately?
All of this is impossible to do without the help of the Holy Spirit and God's grace. And that is God's point. We cannot truly live the life of a believer without the HS.
I remember when I was teaching a Bible study and in it was a non-believing Jew. We had just gotten into Matt 5 (Beatitudes) when he exclaimed, "This is impossible to live out, Nobody can live like this". He was right of course, but only up to a point.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/9/09|
The passages follow's v. 13, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure"
Although the believer is responsible to work (v.12), the Lord actually produces the good works and spiritual fruit in the lives of believers (John 15:5, 1 Cor. 12:6). It is accomplished because He works through us by His indwelling Spirit (Acts 1:8, 1 Cor. 3:16,17, 6:19, Gal. 3:3). "Without complaining and disputing, The word disputing means "questioning" or "criticisms" directed negatively toward God. The believer should have the right attitude in pursuing godliness. They are to be growing toward something they do not yet fully possess as children of God (Eph. 5:1, Titus 2:1).
---MarkV. on 12/9/09|
Bill, I think Cluny was trying to say the same as us ... that the sentence does notstop at that comma, but goes on to explain the reasons for the original instruction.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/9/09|
Yes, Cluny, I have heard that the original Bible writings in Greek do not have punctuation marks. But since we have in English, here, the comma . . . I thought I'd work with this (o:
It says to do everything *without* complaining or arguing . . . so that we may *become* blameless, harmless, without fault . . . pure . . . "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" > so - - by stopping our griping, fighting, fussing . . . we can *become* how God wants us to be as His children . . . "in this world," 1 John 4:17 also seems to be saying. So, there is this very valuable reason to stop arguing and complaining. It is not just a legalistic command adding more to the list of things we must not do (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/8/09|
There are people whom complain from the time they awake until they go to sleep at the end of the day, our tongues were not made to be known as a griping tongue, but instead our tongues were made to give glory to the Lord God Jesus Christ. It is not possible to be a complainer and a praiser of God at the sametime. If you want glory and God's goodness in your life then start praising him and thanking him, but if you want frustration and unhappiness in your life then continue to moan and groan and complain unceasingly.
---Eloy on 12/8/09|
"Does God really expect this if He commands this? Yes.
"So what else is there to this? Nothing but the benefit.
In the King James version the phrase is followed by a colon, which in this case is used to mark a major division in the verse, indicating that what follows is an elaboration or summation of what precedes the colon. Therefore I see the phase as complete within itself.
What follows are the stated benefits of adhering to the aforementioned clause. With the particular thought being conveyed coming to its completion with the semi-colon after the word life in verse 16.
---josef on 12/8/09|
\\I notice the *comma* after this commandment, so what else is there to this?\\
Punctuation marks are a fairly modern invention and are not found in the oldest mss.
Did you know that?
---Cluny on 12/8/09|
self explanatory,dont complain,or argue,speak the truth in love,not done much on this site,so I guess all those who argue are sinning?
---tom2 on 12/8/09|
most of the teachings I hear from others are too negative & always point to sin. like the people in the 4 books of the NT, they were mostly weighed down bec. of the equation sin=punishment, obedience=blessings. in john 9, the disciples asked christ that the reason for the blind man is bec. of sin, then the pharisees started to investigate to look for something to accuse. when a person has been programmed to think sin=punishment, obey=blessings he cannot think straight bec. violating that equation mean you lack faith.
---jim on 12/7/09|
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Jim this is a way to test what people come to you and give you as if from God, God will not give you a brand new command from another person. What God does is confirm what he had already laid on your heart and put on your mind to do for him. If what someone says sounds good and doesn't set right within your heart,soul,and spirit then you better not do it no matter what anyone says. You see when God is working on one end of a matter he will be working on the other end the same way. God will deal with you one on one. He will lead you.
---Darlene_1 on 12/7/09|
A "comma" means that the sentence is not complete, and you have to go on reading what follows, until you reach the full stop, or period, which marks the end of the sentence.
In this case the sentence comprises the whole of verses 14 15 and 16.
Verse 14 shows the instruction (not so much a commandment) and verses 15 & 16 show the benefits of following that instruction.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/7/09|
no disputing? so what if the message you receive from others put you in bondage or cause to stumble. that is BLIND OBEDIENCE. obey to something that will create more problems than solutions or answers.
and that is what happens to a lot of believers. and those who receive the message should have good judgement because the messenger will actually blame you for lack of faith, leaning to your understanding, blame you for a hidden sin when they told you to obey.
---jim on 12/7/09|