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What Is Biblical Repentance

What is repentance according to the Word?

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Lee1538:
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

U reject Christ words and have the evidence in your walk.

In your mind a loving Father, keeps the primitive in bondage, THE JEWS.

But u as the greater ONE? Your free...

to enslave yourself to the world.

You void feasts, sabbaths to be slaved to easter, Christmas, Sunday and other world days.

You void dietary laws to enslave yourself to chemicals that destroy your body, supress your immune system.

But in your mind you are free, by voiding His laws and not relize you have enslaved yourself to the World ways!!! Way to go!
---Paul9594 on 1/4/10


//The Word for "laws" in genesis 26:5 in Hebrew is of the word Torah!!// - Paul

I realize I might be an idiot for suggesting this but since the "Torah" wasnt around at the time of Genesis 26:5, isnt it just possible that the first five books were named Torah much later on, because they contained a lot of "law"?
---JackB on 1/5/10


Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is the only way to repent!
---exzucuh on 1/4/10


Paul9594-//I have already proven that the laws of Genesis 26:5 that the Father said Abraharm kept are more than moral laws everyone is born with. which you DENIED ORIGINALLY!! .

If you have proven that, then clearly 2+2=5. Sorry but there is not a single student of the Bible, living or dead that will agree with you.

Like one that already has posted, Abraham did NOT observe the law as he lied about his wife and really did not trust God to solve any of his own problems.

He even disbelieved God that he would become the father of many nations by having children from his slave girl.

Your belief really belongs in lalalo land.


---Lee on 1/4/10


Paul9594 //Many don't follow the full example of Abraham, who entered salvation by faith and by faith also was empowered to keep His Laws!

It has already been proven by several New Testament quotes that one is NOT justified by observance of Torah laws but by faith alone. Romans 1:17.

Sorry but when it comes to the New Testament, particularly Romans, Hebrews & Galatians, you are truly on unknown territory.

As I suggested before, go back to the drawing boards or better yet go down to a church that preaches the gospel and find out what it takes to be a Christian.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10




Lee1538:

I have already proven that the laws of Genesis 26:5 that the Father said Abraharm kept are more than moral laws everyone is born with. which you DENIED ORIGINALLY!!

THEN, You admitted to offerings done in Genesis are more than moral laws every one is born with!!
Abel's sin offering in genesis 4 is same as Lev. 4:32-35, given at Mt. Sinai

And there is more you cannot discern at this time, maybe at another time, When U enter the only Renewed/New Covenant.

Many don't follow the full example of Abraham, who entered salvation by faith and by faith also was empowered to keep His Laws!

The Word for "laws" in genesis 26:5 in Hebrew is of the word Torah!!
---Paul9594 on 1/4/10


Paul9594 - //Holy Spirit(Ephesians1:13-14) DOES NOT LACK the POWER to enable believer to keep His commandments beginning with TEN.

We can't help you if you ignore anything you disagree with but consider Romans 8.

Romans 8:3-4 God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Unlike the ministry of death & condemnation 'craved on stone' (2 Cor. 3:7,9) believers are to follow in the ministry of the Spirit otherwise the veil will remain over their eyes (8:14)
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


Paul9594- Eph. 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, WHO is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

The verse coupled with what we read in Eph. 2:8-10 that our salvation is a gift by grace alone apart from works, seems to guarantee our eternal salvation does it not?

Is it not true that 'He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them'? Hebr. 7:25
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


MarkV:

John 17:17

SANCTIFY SANCTIFY them through thy truth: thy WORD is truth.

Holy Spirit(Ephesians1:13-14) DOES NOT LACK the POWER to enable believer to keep His commandments beginning with TEN.

A TRUE believer MATURES BECAUSE OF TRUE FAITH, connectING him to Christ'S power, to do the least commandments. Each believer does this at their OWN pace.

Christ will not hold it against ANY one, so as TO NOT save them, for not keeping even the least commandments PERFECTLY.

Do you known any one that is as 2Timo 3:5?

having a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from
these also turn away.

Many TODAY deny the power of the Holy Spirit and say they cant keep commandments!!
---Paul9594 on 1/4/10


Au contraire Lee, God's word is not opinion, but His Truth.

You do not take Scripture as written but approach it with your mind already made up. You do not read it to understand its meaning but impose your extraBiblical opinions upon it. This makes you a compromiser. If I had never existed you would still be wrong when judged by His word.

2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." Do you note that? Scripture is from the Creator to teach, rebuke and correct. He is the potter, we are the clay. He teaches us, not the other way around.

Written from the perspective of man. No way! Written in terms which man can comprehend? Yes indeed.
---Warwick on 1/4/10




Samuel //So GOD had laws before the Mosaic law and covenants were given to Israel.

Very true since man was created in the image of God, moral laws merely reflect that image.

The strongest argument for that is in Romans 2:14f which states that the Gentiles who did not have the law did what the law requires as they "show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them".

I like to point out to my Sabbaterian friends that the Gentiles did not observe the Jewish Sabbath but they did what the law required. That has been a real stumbling block for them.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


Warwick //You have not raised one point that I have not heard from compromisers, many times before.

To put that in words that are more clear, you really are saying that anyone who disagrees with your opinion has to be a compromiser.

But such is often the plight of those who base most of their beliefs on assumptions and are unable to handle any criticism of what they want to believe.

Sorry but godly scholarship is truly on the side of the truth.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


Abraham did not live by the Law, the law was given to Moses and the Children of Israel. Abraham lived by Faith he did what the Spirit of God told him and it was accounted to him as righteousness. That is what James is calling the Law of liberty. Paul calls it the Law of the Spirit. He also calls it walking in the Spirit. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Rhema spoken word of God. Hebrews 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. The children of Israel heard his voice and disobeyed and they perished.
---exzucuh on 1/4/10


Abraham knew the law of GOD. So GOD had laws before the Mosaic law and covenants were given to Israel. We know a couple of the laws from reference. Do not commit adultery, do not murder and do not have other gods. To me and others these point to having a form of the Ten Commandments. All agree nine are moral laws and as such never change or are done away with.

I know some say all ten are done away with but then they add nine were reinstated. Some only eight. Since they cannot say when they were reinstated I believe they were never done away with in the first place. Abraham was saved by Grace alone. Grace is not a liscence to sin and get rid of the law of GOD.
---Samuel on 1/4/10


To be saved a person must first reconize they are sinners. The law teaches and condemns all as sinners. That is it's purpose alone with defining right and wrong.

After being convicted of sin the Law points us to JESUS who by His Life, Death and Resurrection saves us from living in sin and eternal death.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Sin is breaking the law. Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
---Samuel on 1/4/10


Paul #2: If you really understood the Scriptures correctly you would have realized that Abraham did not trust God. His faith failed when it concerned his life. He should have depended on God. He fail just as everyone does in life. And when you bring the law out be sure that you are perfect or else do not condemn anyone of not keeping the law. In this life only Christ has been perfect and the very reason a person is saved is because of the perfectness of Christ keeping the law, to where none of us could. Study law and Grace and you will be able to judge others better.
---MarkV. on 1/4/10


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Paul, your problem and many of the others is that you claim self-righteousness as your ability to keep the laws of God perfect and accuse others of purposely sinning against God, when you cut them down by giving Abraham's example because Gen. 26: 5 says that Abraham obeyed God, kept His charge, His commandments, His statues and His laws. As if Abraham was perfect and never sinned and you compare yourselves to him. But let me tell you that Abraham broke the Commandments when he lied for his servival in (Gen. 12:10-14, 20:1-4) He was a deceiver and a liar. By using Abraham as an example, you also lie and deceive as he did. Before you accuse others, find someone perfect in Scripture other then Christ, I'm sure you won't find one.
---MarkV. on 1/4/10


Paul9594 - you are becoming increasing unintelligible in your posts. You apparently have become more and more confused.

Your original contention was that since Abraham obeyed the commandments, statutes, and my laws, that Genesis 26:5 implied that God had given him the Mosaic law.

There is not a single Biblical expositor that I know of supports that viewpoint. And I have not seen anyone on the forum that seems to be in agreement with you.

I strongly suggest that you go back to your drawing boards and figure out what entails being a Christian. Better yet, find a local pastor and ask him or her on how to become a practicing Christian.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


Lee, your poor arguments cause me no frustration at all. You have not raised one point that I have not heard from compromisers, many times before. You have nothing new just the same old lies of the deceiver.

What I feel is sadness for those who you will lead away from faith in God's word. I have met many like you, sadly.
---Warwick on 1/3/10


Best response for biblical repentance is Gina7's!!

U just maybe picked to surround men in positions not allowed in times past for women. Jeremiah 31:22!!

(Only 4 those women not teaching the apostasy of our day.)

Men keeping headship of the Church!

Biblical repentance has evidence of letting go of the wrong/evil ways according to the World!! and keeping His ways, commmandments.

Have you been TAUGHT the FULL EXAMPLE of Abraham? His faith ENTERE HIM INTO salvation AND HIS faith connected HIM TO Christ TO KEEP the Law of rightousness, see Genesis 26:5!!!
---Paul9594 on 1/3/10


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Warwick - //You pick and choose what Scriptures you will believe because you interpret it through nonChristian worldly thinking.

Quite the contrary as the only Scripture I believe in is between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21 inclusively.

Your problem is you simply do not like someone to point out much of what you believe is essentially based upon assumptions and faulty interpretations, not supported by those who are called into the ministry of teaching.

Yes, I can see and almost taste your frustration as the truth is really in your face and while you have trouble with it you prefer to attack the messengers instead of the message.

You need to be honest with yourself and admit it when you are wrong.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


Lee your hypocrisy is astounding. You attack others beliefs while you 'run roughshod' over God's word. You pick and choose what Scriptures you will believe because you interpret it through nonChristian worldly thinking. In your world man's opinions trump God's word if the two disagree.

You are a compromiser on the way to becoming a full-blown liberal but none the less point your finger at others. You are at least entertaining.

---Warwick on 1/3/10


Lee your memory is faulty, possibly creative. I have never said Adventists were "probably more Christian than others." I said I had been billited in SDA homes and their Sabbath days were restful, compared to Christians who attend church then rush off to worldly pursuits.

This peacefulness have caused me to take restful Sundays. A good principle.

If you understand how orthodox Jews observe the Sabbath you would see SDA behaviour is very different. Pastors work, as do those preparing lunch, people come to church in taxi's and buses paying for their trips, lights are turned on an off. Books and other Christian literature bought etc.

You speak from bigotry while I speak from experience.
---Warwick on 1/3/10


Warwick //on the contrary, having an enquiring mind I have regularly discussed points of doctrine with members of many denominations when at their churches or at meals later.

If I recall you once posted something to the effect that Adventists because they observed the OT sabbath were probably more Christian than others. With that kind of sweet talk you basically enforce their doctrinal viewpoints.

Perhaps they truly believe you are in the process of seeing 'the truth' and leaving that Roman Catholc church at Babylon.

Or perhaps your audience was more Christian than Adventists as there are Christians within Adventism, howbeit, Ellen White's people still have control of the organization.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


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Paul9594 - MATTHEW 5:19 WHOSOEVER therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The audience was jewish and Jesus was addressing the need to observe all the commands under the Old Covenant dispensation.

One such command was that males had to be circumcised otherwise they were in violation of the covenant.

Acts 15, the Jerusalem council did not impose that or laws that were strictly Jewish onto Gentile converts.

You have no understanding of the tenets of the New Covenant of the church as you are still under the Old Covenant Mosaic legislation.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


Paul9594 - 1 Tim.6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness,...

And what was that 'different doctrine' that Paul was speaking of? Try reading Galatians as such was the teaching of the Judaizers that Gentile converts had to observe the old Covenant Torah law.

As to teaching that accords with godliness,one does not attain to righteousness by observance to Torah laws.

Ga 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified (declared righteous)by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, ... because by works of the law no one will be justified.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


Lee, on the contrary, having an enquiring mind I have regularly discussed points of doctrine with members of many denominations when at their churches or at meals later. For example I have discussed the Sabbath issue with many Adventists and have never been told it was a salvation issue. Further my habit was to have a question time after my presentation where many issues were raised.

The point you miss regarding Jerry is that he (and anyone else) would first have to be saved to have the Holy Spirit. Therefore his obedience to the law or anything else Biblical obviously cannot be unto salvation!
---Warwick on 1/2/10


Warwick - If we had a guest speaker invited to our church, we would not even think of discussing any doctrinal disagreements we may have. It is only a matter of being a polite guest.

Jerry once posted that he believed he could obey all the law under the power of the Holy Spirit. The challenge here is that if he truly believed that, then his salvation is really a matter of law obedience rather than that of grace.

Scripture very plainly states "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast". Eph. 2:8-10

Clearly if you depend on works for your salvation, then works is your salvation, not Jesus.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


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Lee, I have preached in about 40 SDA churches, by invitation. They were well aware I was not Adventist. Only once was I agressively challenged about the Sabbath. The pastor remonstrated with this man about his attitude, informing me he was not a member of the Adventist church.

Certainly we disagreed on quite a few points but not one person said I was not a Christian because I did not observe the Saturday Sabbath.

You accuse Jerry of believing in salvation by works. This is a dishonest accusation. But abuse and distortion of truth are common tactics for you.

It is no wonder Christianity has a bad name in much of the world when so called christians behave as you do. Shame on you!
---Warwick on 1/2/10


Lee1538, JackB:
You believe the law is been done away. U break even the least of the commandments AND teach so, u do not CONSENT TO CHRIST WORDS:

MATTHEW 5:19 WHOSOEVER therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1Ti 6:3 If ANY man (LEE1538, JACKB, KATHR4453, OTHERS) teacheth a different doctrine, and >>>CONSENTS NOT <<< to sound words, THE WORDS of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, 4 he is puffed up, knowing NOTHING...


Consent to Christ'S Words or Hear Matthew 7:21-23!!!
---Paul9594 on 1/2/10


It is truly pathetic that Sabbaterians are such angry people that they must condemn other Christians and call them false teachers just because they do not observe the OT Sabbath.

If they could just point to something in the New Covenant of the church that mandates Christians must observe it, much of this would decrease.

Or if they could provide some evidence that Sabbath keeping was taught in the Gentile churches, even that may be sufficient.

But they know they cannot do either as they do not adhere to the ministry of the Spirit but cleave to that ministry of death & condemnation craved in letters on stone. 2 Cor. 3:7,9
---Lee1538 on 12/30/09


Paul9594 =

Matthew 7:16 You will recognize them (false teachers)by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?

The Apostle Paul recognized the false teachers who taught that the Galatians needed to observe OT Jewish laws. Trusting Jesus was simply not enough for ones salvation according to the Judaizers. The same problem with the Judaizers today.

Do you trust Jesus enough for your salvation, or do you need to observe the Torah laws?

Is He your Savior or will your savior be your own observance of the Torah?

Are you like the foolish Galatians in that you started with the Spirit but are now attempting to be perfected by human effort? (Gal. 3:3)
---Lee1538 on 12/30/09


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JackB, Lee1538:

Matthew 7:21-23:

20 SURELY then by their :FRUITS YOU shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord,Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but who doeth the WILL WLL of
my :Father who is in the heavens. 22 Many will say to me in that :day, Lord,
Lord, did we not prophesy in thy :name, and in thy :name cast out demons,
and in thy :name DO MANY MIGHTY WORKS? 23 And then will I profess to them
[that] I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work :LAWLESSNESS.

What good fruit did MANY MANY not produce so that the Father tells them, depart from me?

The Law of Righteousness, which Abraham kept? Genesis 26:5

Repent or hear Matthew 7:21-23
---Paul9594 on 12/30/09


IJohn 1:9 is the prime scripture pertaining to repentance.
Proverbs 28:13 says, "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy."

Confessing a sin is simply confessing upto what a person has done wrong AND turning away from it. Confess means to say the same as.

Repent--returning to the pent or high place.

A nonbeliever CANNOT repent in order to get saved. That's not scriptural. Romans 10:9-10 makes it so simple. John 3:3-7 as well.
It doesn't say that a person is to confess all of his sins to get saved...that is impossible.
---Rickey on 12/30/09


I for one would fear much to fool with God's word as they have.
---Lee1538 on 12/28/09

Lee, you put way too much faith in modern institutions u ole study hound. You are Saul. You do put forth the effort. I've seen it. But, you go against the prophets and scripture witnessed by following your "accredited" institutions.

Man, take a momento....accredited by whom? If they have one thing wrong....they may have it all wrong.
Most of your accredited institution instructors are following what Rome laid foundations of couple of thousands of years ago. Run from that deep pit/whre.
---Trav on 12/30/09


Linguistically the meaning of REPENTANCE changes from Old Testament Hebrew usage to New Testament Greek usage like a number of Biblical terms. The Old Testament Hebrew usage is exceptionally passive in action simply a regret or a sigh. While the New Testament Greek usage is exceptionally active usage as in a total change life style.

If you see the term REPENTANCE in Old Testament context you just have to know it has different implications then when you see it in New Testament context. In general I feel a modern translator would not translate the Hebrew ground form as Repentance, but more likely use regret or remorse to better express the passiveness of the action.
---Friendly_Blogger on 12/29/09


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Paul, Scripturally there is two kinds of repentance, the first is called "Attrition" does not come by conviction of the Spirit. Attrition is a false or spurious kind of repentance. It involves remorse caused by fear of punishment or a loss of blessings. This was the kind of repentance Esau exhibited (Gen. 27:30-46), He was sorry not because he had sinned, but because he had lost his birthright.
The second is called "Contrition" Contrition is a true and godly repentance. It includes deep remorse for sinning and offending God. The contrite person openly and fully confesses his sin with no attempt to excuse it or justify it. It comes by conviction of the Holy Spirit.
---MarkV. on 12/29/09


JackB:

Believing the Law/Torah is been done away with, u don't study it in a revelant manner yet u try to teach on the Law?

2 peter 3:15 ....Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you,

16 as also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things, wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast twist, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction


Are you of 2 Peter 3:15-16?
---Paul9594 on 12/28/09


JackB //Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Those claiming knowledge and a calling to be a teacher of the law, should be required to provide acceptable credentials to supports their contention.

Interesting we have one here who claims to be proficient in Greek & Hebrew however has not even so much as taken a single course in these languages at any accredited institution.

He is in the process of re-translating the Bible to support his doctrinal beliefs. The Jehovah's Witnesses with the New World Translation and the SDA with their Clear Bible & their Study Bible has done just that.

I for one would fear much to fool with God's word as they have.
---Lee1538 on 12/28/09


Amen, Lee

1 Timothy 1:5-7

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling,

Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
---JackB on 12/28/09


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Romans 9:30-31 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith, but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law.

Clearly the verse states that righteousness is thru faith, not from obedience to law.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Paul9594 //Scripture is very plain that THERE IS a distinction between Jews and Gentiles.

That is easy to see that from the necessity of convening the Jerusalem council Acts 15 as the Pharisees demanded that Gentiles convert to Judaism in order to legitimize their belief in Christ.

As to your second comment, both those of Jewish descent and Gentile descent become one in Christ, in the household of God. Sort of blows your theory that all must be under the Old Mosaic law instead of under Christ does it not?

I believe the New Testament makes that abundantly clear.
---Lee1538 on 12/19/09


Lee1538:
u said:
Scripture is very plain that THERE IS a distinction between Jews and Gentiles.
---Lee1538 on 12/17/09

then u said:

Eph. 2:13f basically says that there is no longer any spiritual DISTINCTION between believing Jews & Gentiles as Christ became our peace breaking down the dividing wall of hostility...reconciling us both to God in one body thru the Cross.

(More to say about the Laws role and the hostility created by BAD MEN, not law.)


Are we one body with the believing Jews since there is no longer any spiritual Distinction with Gentiles, as it reads in Ephesians 2:13?

Or Is Scriptures very plain THAT THERE IS A distinction between Jews and Gentiles, as you said on 12/17/09?
---Paul9594 on 12/19/09


JackB,
what is it that you think bothers me?
---Nana on 12/18/09


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//Dumb and dumber leading the blind ...//
-Nana

Just wow.

Did that bother you at all, Nana?
---JackB on 12/18/09


Dumb and dumber leading the blind ...
"All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.", Romans 10:21. Those shoes fit more than just the feet of Israel.
If what we do or fail to do is of no consequence, we could as well dress as we like, but that is not the case when God stretches forth his hands-

Matthew 22:11-14: "... For many are called, but few are chosen."
---Nana on 12/17/09


In this post by duane is great truth
"
Whether one does not sin or does not keep on sinning, its all the SAME. When have you kept yourself from continuing to sin? If you have, you have made yourself righteous. I dont sin because of Jesus Christ and what HE did on the Cross.

Anyone born of God does not sin OR does not continue to sin."
---duane on 12/12/09

Remembering that our righteousness is not acceptable before the Lord reveals the foolishness of attempting to establish self-righteousness!!!
---mima on 12/14/09


Hi All I essentially agree with Paula
Repentance means literally in the Greek "change your thinking or reconsider"
Jesus said Repent and believe the Gospel Mark1,15
Or in other word change your thinking and be prepared to accept the gospel (good news) on New Testament terms.
In Acts 2:38 Baptism in water comes next which is public demonstration of repentance (1Peter3,21) It is also identifying that Jesus died on our Behalf with our own symbolic burial (Romans6,3-6)
Thats our part then as we ask for the miraculous gift of the Holy Spirit God gives it to us we become a new creation, All things become new 2Corinthians5,17
Then we grow and walk in the Spirit Galatians5,22
---Rodney on 12/14/09


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Repentance is the first step of a three fold salvation experience. Repentance is a turning in your mind to receive God's life. After repentance (you have probably gotten water baptised here) in which you have God's attention you begin the empowerment phase of salvation which begins with the baptism of the Holy spirit. This beginning at Penecost and the beginning of the church age at the baptism of the Holy Spirit is where we get the power to live the christian life in grace and the opportunity to become a son of God. The last phase is complete death to self while living in this world and looking to Christ. This is pretty simple but there are beautiful truths here. Paula 4455
---Paula_Zimmer on 12/12/09


Whether one does not sin or does not keep on sinning, its all the SAME. When have you kept yourself from continuing to sin? If you have, you have made yourself righteous. I dont sin because of Jesus Christ and what HE did on the Cross.

Anyone born of God does not sin OR does not continue to sin.
---duane on 12/12/09


Mima,
Christians dont make a practice of sinning, if they did,they wouldnt be Christians. Why would Christians make a PRACTICE of breaking the law, not living in faith or doing wrong when they know to do right???
No Christian I know does these things just to do them as a practice. Its kinda silly....
---duane on 12/12/09


1 John 5:18 KJV "We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him".

But most modern versions recognize that the Greek word is one of continuation -

We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
---Lee1538 on 12/9/09

Amen. Thank you for bringing this excellent fact out from the scripture, Lee.
---Gina7 on 12/11/09


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moreexcellent way, you lie in the bed that you make for yourself, if you want honor then speak honorably, if you want dishonor then continue to speak dishonorably: for what one sows, one will surely reap: and what one gives, is what one gets. I judge righteous judgment as I am commanded: and I tell the truth as it is.
---Eloy on 12/12/09


mima - It is possible that Matthew 18:21-22 actually deals with offences committed among ourselves, rather that of sins according to breaking of the law.

We noticed David in Psalms 51 when he stated that his trespass was to God alone.

For I know my transgressions,and my sin is ever before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight,so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.

Recall that he committed adultery (Beersheba) and murder.(Uriah)

It always amazes me that David who already had a harem had to look elsewhere for gratification.
---Lee1538 on 12/11/09


I never understood how people who claim to genuinely be in Christ and claim to love others can be so self righteously enthusiastic about putting other people down and providing them with reasons to feel shame/humiliation (even if they believe the other person is unsaved).

Not only has this always been common on this forum, but it has also always been the sad standard of even the secular community. It is a very good (actually THE BEST) illustration of why so very FEW will "enter by the strait gate".

It should be a clear indication to the person who has the habit of these subtle forms of ridicule that their "great wisdom" is faulty and illogical.

FEW, FEW, FEW will "enter by the strait gate".
---more_excellent_way on 12/11/09


Lee I agree with this statement,"But Christians come under discipline if we make a practice of sin."
But even so I have trouble with this statement in relation to Matthew 18-21-23 which says,"20-For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

21-Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22-Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. Comments
---mima on 12/11/09


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Morexcellent way, ?????, five question marks after the truth only shows five times the lack of your understanding and lack of knowledge of the truth preached. But when you get saved then your question marks will turn into one period or into one exclamation mark representing the point of fact: just as every born-again Christian has no question as to the truth of God's expectation to obey his commandment to repent from sin and be joined up to him, or else be condemned.
---Eloy on 12/11/09


....."Non-repenters are condemned"?????


Luke 15:7
"there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance".

Some "sin" is OVERTLY EVIL (like murder, waterboarding torture, drug dealing, etc.), and some "sin" only prevents you from being PERFECT (mistakes, stupidity, etc.).

Depending on how the words "repentance" and "sin" are used, each concept may be difficult to discuss because the other person has a different meaning (according to how relevant those concepts are in their life), but Jesus said we should no longer have any awareness of spiritual "sin".
---more_excellent_way on 12/10/09


duane, i agree with your post, the only thing i would add is acts 16:14..lydia, whose heart the lord opened..
---michael_e on 12/10/09


Repenters are accepted, Nonrepenters are condemned: the humble are exalted, the prideful are brought low. Please Read- Luke 18:10-14.
---Eloy on 12/10/09


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No man repents of sin. If that were so, we would have perfect man. Man must turn(repent) to Christ/cross and then he is set free from sin.
I cant believe some Christians are still thinking they are the ones who must overcome sin. They have not yet turned to the Cross. How sad.....for Christ suffered and died, yet they still wont believe.
We are overcomers only through HIM.
---duane on 12/9/09


I really dont understand why Christians dont know what repentance is? When we come to God HE will give us a change of mind(repentance). You will absolutely know this, its part of salvation, its the Spirit of God renewing your mind. You feel new all over. Its Christ in you. You cry and weep with joy. This is the best day of your life. Its being overcome in the love of God.
I will never forget, EVER

Its HIS promise to all who turn(repent) to HIM that you will be changed, you will have eternal life. You will be set free.
---duane on 12/9/09


Repentance is simply confessing to God any wrong doing.

But Christians come under discipline if we make a practice of sin.

1 Jo 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for Gods seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 KJV "We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him".

But most modern versions recognize that the Greek word is one of continuation -

We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
---Lee1538 on 12/9/09


Thank you Eloy a good definition. We are to learn to hate sin and love othes.

GOD says sin is definied by His law not the laws of men. In Matthew 5 JESUS speaks of his laws and how we are supposed to live.

Each day we start anew. Let us keep our eyes on JESUS and not let who demand perfection keep us from getting back up dusting ourselves off and turning to JESUS CHRIST in repentance knowing that he loves and forgives those who acknowledge that we did wrong.
---Samuel on 12/9/09


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How relevant is sin in your life?

The fact is......

...any one born of God does not sin.

and...

...All wrongdoing is sin

...there is sin which is not mortal (spiritual, soul damaging).

These are not my words (starting at verse 16 of 1 John chap. 5), so if you want to split hairs about how relevant "sin" should be to a Christian, God will be able to explain, no one else.

1 John 5:18
"We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him".

In which sense (and how important/relevant is the technical/biblical meaning to you) are you saying "sin" and "repent" (REPEat NoT)?
---more_excellent_way on 12/9/09


M E W ... Christ did not abolish sin. The Bible does not say that He did. He abolished, for genuine Christians, the punishment for sin.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/9/09


There is no such thing as "sin", therefore, it cannot be repented of.

---more_excellent_way on 12/8/09

So was Jesus confused when He told the woman caught in adultery "Go and sin no more" in John 8:11?

As long as probation continues, there still is sin, and sin needs to be repented of, and Christians should no longer be sinning.. "For if we sin willfully after we have received knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a fearful looking for of judgment.." Heb 10:26,27

But if we do sin -"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9
---Gina7 on 12/8/09


Repenting means rightening yourself with God, returning back to God. It consists of acknowledging your separation from him, and regreting this to the point of abasing yourself to plead to him in prayer for forgiveness of all wrongs, and pleading to restore you to the right relationship with him. Besides purging yourself of all wrong and worldly things, it may also consist of fasting which starves the flesh and feeds the spirit.
---Eloy on 12/8/09


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You can see this ones headed towards the follow all of Gods laws perfectly to get to Heaven argument again...
---JackB on 12/9/09


There is no such thing as "sin", therefore, it cannot be repented of.

The word "sin" can only be used as a figure of speech for WRONGDOING because Jesus destroyed sin ("sin" has no more spiritual meaning).

The Israelites/Jews/Hebrews had to repeatedly make sacrifices and offerings for the cleansing of their souls (on the annual Day of Atonement), but we have the FINAL CLEANSING in Jesus....

Hebrews 10:2
"no longer have any consciousness of sin".

You can "turn away" from bad habits, wrongdoing, etc., you can 'NOT REPEat' your mistakes, etc., but a Christian cannot "repent" (figure of speech) of what does not exist.
---more_excellent_way on 12/8/09


Repentance is from God. The Holy Spirit will give you a change of mind. You will know the right way and the wrong way you will remember no more. You WILL be a changed person.
Its us being led by the Spirit in truth. Come to Christ in faith/ trust and HE will change you completely. Seek and you WILL find. Repent(turn) towards God and HE will give you the gift of repentance.
---duane on 12/8/09


What is repentance according to the Word?
----
John 8:11
Go, and sin no more

Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Repentance is the putting away of sin. Sin is the breaking of the 10 commendments. Therefore once you have repented, you are being obedient to God by keeping the 10 commandments. This obedience is the fruit meet for repentance
Matthew 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance
Matthew 3:8 (Amplified Bible)
Bring forth fruit that is consistent with repentance [let your lives prove your change of heart]

Meaning, if you have truly repented, then you have stopped sinning, and your righteous life proves your change of heart.
---Gina7 on 12/8/09


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When we come to Jesus, we are no longer an unbeliever. Our behavior should CHANGE to being holy, righteous, and just (good and right and true),...therefore, BY COMING TO JESUS, we have "repented IN JESUS".

Many people like to think that repentance is separate from "COMING TO JESUS". That is because they never really changed their behavior to RIGHTEOUSNESS (THEIR SPIRIT cannot receive the witness of God's eternal spirit).

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God".

Ephesians 5:9
"for the fruit of light is found in all that is GOOD AND RIGHT AND TRUE".

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 12/8/09


It is rightening one's self to God: taking responsibility for offense and desiring to make amends, and then actually making amends through atoning in prayer and fasting and in actual restitution.
---Eloy on 12/8/09


To ---Josef-- So impressed am I with this definition of what biblical repentance is that I will include it on my next radio program.
---mima on 12/8/09


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