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Am I less of a Christian if I don't celebrate the Christmas holiday?

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December 25 is the date of Christ's birth.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


//December25 is the date many pagans, atheists, anti-Christs, false christians, apostates, heathens and others...

It really has become the holy-day of those that truly love and follow the Lord and wish to celebrate the fact "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life". John 3:16

Christmas is also a time when people go to church to worship Christ, and it provides a great opportunity to witness of God's love toward us.

Those that we should not observe Christmas and are critical of other Christains are those that have no interest in advancing the Gospel nor do they have any testimony in their own lives.
---Lee1538 on 12/25/09


Luke 2:8-20
God judges us by our hearts. So if I see a nativity scene should I call it Pagan if say it was put up on Dec. 25th or 26th or perhaps July 4th? If I see a Chrismas tree do I stop and worship it?
Only God knows our hearts.
---Dan on 12/25/09


December25 is the date many pagans, atheists, anti-Christs, false christians, apostates, heathens and others of similar ilk are united in their celebration of December 25. This is their holy-day.

Many will openly admit they do not believe in Christ and are irreligious, but will nevertheless celebrate Dec.25. Perhaps some are aware of December 25 direct links to Mithra and the celebration of the death of early Christians.

What is important to remember is the apostate origin of December 25. It is not a date appointed by God or the Bible for true Christians to celebrate.
---David8318 on 12/25/09


To be a Pagan you have to say you are a pagan , Pagans do not care about Jesus, because Jesus convicts them of their Pagan Religion. Jesus picked corn on the Sabbath and told his disciples to do the same because they were hungry. Moses law forbid such a thing just like it forbids worshiping in a grove of green trees. Moses Law did not apply to Jesus or his disciples
because God gave it to Moses and his Followers not Jesus.
Hebrews 3:5-6 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken later, But Christ as a son over his own house,---WHOSE HOUSE ARE WE---, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
---exzucuh on 12/24/09




Jesus was believed to have been conceived and crucified on the same day of the year.
This idea appears in an anonymous Christian treatise titled On Solstices and Equinoxes, The treatise states: Therefore our Lord was conceived on the eighth of the kalends of April in the month of March [March 25], which is the day of the passion of the Lord and of his conception. For on that day he was conceived on the same he suffered.
Augustine, too, was familiar with this association. he writes: For he [Jesus] is believed to have been conceived on the 25th of March, upon which day also he suffered, . But he was born, according to tradition, upon December the 25th.
---exzucuh on 12/25/09


Exzucuh is unable to show where people who don't celebrate Dec.25 have 'manipulated scripture to justify (their) sin'. What sin, I ask? So it's now a sin not to celebrate a pagan holy-day?

Seems exzucuh has developed a conscience realizing he has manipulated scripture to justify his own sin, that of manipulating Colossians2:16 to excuse his own pagan fetish.

Lee1538 is also in a flirtatious relationship with paganism. If Lee is so interested in people coming to know Christ, why does Lee not do & obey what Christ commanded and remember him at his death?- 'Keep doing this in remembrance of me',Lu.22:19.

True Christians do not remember Christ using paganism.

Celebration of pagan Dec.25 will disappear at Armageddon.
---David8318 on 12/24/09


Well...say the word. Two-thirds of it is Christ, so lets's revise your question?

Am I less of a Christian if I don't celebrate the Christ holiday?
---larry on 12/24/09


For many, the long period of time that has passed (since the pagan customs associated with Christmas were practiced by their respective cultures) waters down the offensive nature of those practices.

Most 'Christians' would shudder at the thought of adopting a modern-day Wiccan or Witchcraft rite, incorporating it into their belief system.

But 2 Pe 3:8 tells us that "One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Though the pagan customs associated with Christmas were originally practiced centuries ago (as an affront to true worship) for the Creator it was just a moment. And His views are not distorted (like man's) with the passing of time.
---scott on 12/24/09


//Verse 21 (actually vs.19) is an accusation?-where do you get this idea from?//- Warwick 12/21/09.

At John 5, Jesus is wrongly accused of being equal to his Father by Jews. 'Accusation' is used in the Jerusalem Bible at 5:19 and is correct because Jesus is not making the claim of equality with his Father, but rather the Jews were coming to wrong conclusions.

John is reporting on the matter, indicating what the Jews were thinking (at 5:18). John was a worshipper of YHWH (Jehovah) and was not teaching worship of Christ.

Depending on context, Greek word 'Pro-sky-neo' can be used to signify 'obeisance' or 'worship'.

Christians are not commanded to worship Christ on any day let alone pagan December25
---David8318 on 12/24/09




Re: Colossians 2:16 Barnes Notes-

Let no man therefore judge you. (See Romans 14:10,13).

The word judge here is used in the sense of pronouncing a sentence.

The meaning is, "since you have thus been delivered by Christ from the evils which surrounded you, since you have been freed from the observances of the law, let no one sit in judgment on you, or claim the right to decide for you in those matters.

You are not responsible to man for your conduct, but to Christ, and no man has a right to impose that on you as a burden from which he has made you free."
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09


If you people don't want to have a Christmas tree then don't have one. I was once in your kind of religion before God opened my eyes to the truth. I found that living according to your beliefs I would have to be dead or live on the moon. After I got rid of every thing that was an idol, there was nothing left. I soon realized that I did not worship these things I used them, they were tools for me to live. I found that you pick and choose whatever you want on your bandwagon and things that could really compromise your salvation you have ingeniously manipulated scripture to justify your sin.
---exzucuh on 12/24/09


Colossians2:16 begins 'THEREFORE, let no man judge you...'
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WHICH MEN?

Paul was speaking to brothers and sisters in Christ

Paul was not speaking to uncoverted Gentile and Jewish people

Paul did not say do not let a brother or sister judge you

Paul said let no man (ANY unconverted non-believer judge you)

Otherwise Paul would be contradicting scripture telling brothers and sisters IN CHRIST to separate themselves from those who do not hold fast to TRUTH

impossible to separate oneself from brothers and sisters who were falling away from Gods precious TRUTH if we were "not judging them"

ministers of light slaves to Satan slight twist spinning LIES on Gods Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 12/23/09


Colossians2:16 begins 'THEREFORE, let no man judge you...'

'Therefore' in relation to what? In relation to pagan festivals? No, in relation to festivals observed by Israel under the Mosaic law,as Paul mentioned in the preceding verses (2:13-15) which had been nailed to the torture stake of Christ.

Christians were/are not required to observe Mosaic Law festivals. Some may have judged these Christians as un-godly because they didn't continue observing such Jewish festivals & sabbaths. However, Paul says at 2:17 these were a 'shadow of the things to come'.

'Therefore let no man judge you in eating...or in respect of a festival...'

Paul wasn't discussing or giving licence to celebrate pagan festivals such as Dec.25.
---David8318 on 12/23/09


Let's face it Christmas is here to stay and will be celebrated on 25 December as long as the earth exist.

So instead of making a big deal about its pagan origin, would it not be more beneficial to us to use the ocassion to point out that God so loved this world that He gave us His only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life?

Of course, that advice would be too practical in advancing the Gospel would it not?
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Next time I give thanks to God for anything Ill be sure to check my calendar to make sure noone else worships their god on that day....


Absolute sillyness.
---JackB on 12/23/09


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Christmas is not a Pagan holiday It is a Christian Holiday. But there are Pagans that celebrate it disguised as Christians.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Paul did not tell them they could participate in Idolatry that is not what I said. The meat from the sacrifices were often sold to the market merchants because there was so much left there was no need to let it ruin. He was saying they could buy it for themselves and eat it with out condemnation.
---exzucuh on 12/22/09


Steveng fails to understand what Paul was discussing. While preaching in Corinth (which was full of idols), you can eat the food as long as it doesn't stumble your brother. 10:28. Paul wasn't giving licence to partake in pagan religious festivals. 'Flee from idolatry'-10:14.

Corinth was also full of immorality & licentiousness. Does Steveng view of this scripture also mean Christians can acquiesce to immorality as long as they 'give thanks to God'? Where does he draw the line?

Steveng pernicious reasoning gives one licence to do mostly anything and reflects the permissiveness in Christendom today.

There's nothing in Paul's writings to say Christians can engage in pagan festivals, or wrongdoing. Rather quite the opposite.
---David8318 on 12/22/09


No you are not less Christian because you do not celebrate the Christmas holiday. Jesus never told us to celebrate his birth only to remember him by taking communion. But it is Not Pagan to have a Christmas tree unless you are a Pagan. The only way that an Idol is an Idol is if you worship it. Idol worship is something that is done from a persons heart or soul. It is by faith. If you believe a tree is god then it is to you but if you believe it is a symbol of the birth of Christ, then that is what it is. A green tree represents some one planted in the Lord and everlasting life. Just because Pagans worshiped trees rather than God.
Does not make them evil. God created trees.
---exzucuh on 12/22/09


1 Timothy 4:3-5 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Paul who once would not touch any thing that jewish tradition said was unclean , changed his belief toward these things. Because he was now under the new covenant and the laws of a christian were not the same as Moses law. This is the same as with things once considered as idols. He knew they were not gods they were nothing.
---exzucuh on 12/22/09


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Paul told us to eat and not ask if something had been sacrificed to an idol. Because it might hurt the faith of some. But if you know an idol is just a dead statue or a piece of wood you are not worshiping it if you eat, you are trying to prevent starvation. Do you know that a tree is a tree or a picture of Jesus is not really him or a statue or cross is only a symbol. Do you know that these things cannot do any thing for you they have no power. If you do there is no problem. But if you are making them to be an idol by saying they are then you are saying you believe they have power,and therefore your faith makes them an idol.
---exzucuh on 12/22/09


You know the Christmas tree is pagan, and a lot of Christians have those. You don't.

I would still recommend celebrating His birth in your heart, though.
---amand6348 on 12/22/09


...never allowed my mind to be corrupted by man's philosophies, half truths, and watered down doctrines. I keep the joy of God simple
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a curious response indeed

"hypocrite" because RCC's non-biblical xmas lie is not observed

boast about never allowing yourself corrupted by half-truths YET DEFEND outright LIES about RCC's non-biblical xmas

only father of lies Satan could dupe so many to follow lies of xmas ...mixing up and masquerading lies to follow superstitious traditions of mortal men MORE THAN God and Truth from HIS Holy Word

JOY of The Father in Heaven IS HIS Truth in Christ Jesus The Word - IT IS the SIMPLICITY IN CHRIST 2Corin 11:3
---Rhonda on 12/20/09


You people are sending millions of people to hell.

Go ahead. Get rid of christmas and you will be sending millions of people to hell. Do you want that on your conscious? That will surely be an entry of your selfish desires to get rid of christmas in the Book of Life.

Millions of immigrants who have no knowledge of Christ or christmas come to america, learned about christmas, learned the reason for the season, gains knowledge of Christ and the gospel, and then converts to christianity. Would Satan allow a "pagan holiday" to help populate the Kingdom of God?
---Steveng on 12/20/09


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Rhonda: "steveng why TWIST scripture? ...is mis-understanding so deep... to SERVE xmas LIE"

I read scripture at face value. Today's christians are so educated that they are the ones that twist scripture. It is written that knowledge during the end times will have increased a thousand-fold. Over 90% of our scientist were born just within the past 100 years. As this knowlede grew so was the interpretation of scripture. Verse number are the biggest problem where christians interpret a verse many ways instead of reading it in context.

The bible is the only christian book I've ever read. I never allowed my mind to be corrupted by man's philosophies, half truths, and watered down doctrines. I keep the joy of God simple.
---Steveng on 12/19/09


David8318: "Sorry but celebrating a pagan festival was not the matter being discussed at 1Corinthians10:23-33."

Re-read the whole chapter, the chapter before and the chapter after. Read it slowly. Read it through the eyes of a child and not through the eyes af a highly educated adult. Don't allow your adult inhibitions and worldly knowledge make the Word of God complicated. Your worldly knowledge cannot interpret spiritual matters. Pray to God for true understanding and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you. Give God a chance for understanding instead of concordances, author's interpretations, novels and other christian reference books. Don't allow man's knowledge and philosphies kill the joy of being a christian.
---Steveng on 12/19/09


Steveng appears to suggest, as God's word allows us to eat food sacrificed to idols, it is therefore justifiable to mix paganism with Christianity.

Sorry but celebrating a pagan festival was not the matter being discussed at 1Corinthians10:23-33.

Paul says 'do not eat (food) on account of the conscience of the one disclosing this'.10:28. So 1st century Christians would not have eaten on account of the weaker Christian conscience & most certainly not have joined in with any pagan celebrations, or worshipful acts given to those idols.

Paul drew the line in the preceding verse-10:21, 'you cannot feed from the table of God and the table of demons'.

Rhonda is thus right to warn not to mix paganism with worship to God.
---David8318 on 12/19/09


Jesus Christ is the truth. Enough said.
Scripture can only be true if your interpetation is true and of God. The meaning must be absolutely perfect for Gods purpose. Scripture must be read and then be prayed over, remembering Christ as the foundation of all scripture. It must lead to Christ. Scripture proclaims it. He is the way.
---calhoon on 12/19/09


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Rhonda, you are such a hypocrite. If you believe that the HOLY SCRIPTURE is TRUTH then you should believe that God has allowed us to eat food sacrificed to idols.
******

steveng why TWIST scripture? ...is mis-understanding so deep you would USE that idea to SERVE xmas LIE

why DEFEND RCC's xmas day?

RCC does NOT defend Gods Truth

ONLY TRUE Christians believe EVERY WORD from God ...MANY who follow RCC Scripture is just a prop for pagan christiandom

on AUTHORITY of MOTHER RCC Rev 17 she "christianizes" PAGAN traditions

PER Scripture God CONDEMNS ALL pagan traditions warning not to mix pagan with Him

celebrate RCC's xmas day in her HONOR ...xmas is VOID of Biblical Christ
---Rhonda on 12/19/09


Rhonda: "HOLY SCRIPTURE is TRUTH ...RCC's xmas is not ...yet all christiandom SERVES RCC on this day as SHE discredits ignores and pollutes Holy Word of God to SERVE and DEFEND the pagan xmas lie

Holy Scripture is Truth - GOD CONDEMNS all things pagan WARNING not to MIX pagan with Him"

Rhonda, you are such a hypocrite. If you believe that the HOLY SCRIPTURE is TRUTH then you should believe that God has allowed us to eat food sacrificed to idols.
---Steveng on 12/18/09


do you give thanks in your heart that jesus came to bring salvation to the world?if you do then you are celebrating his coming,sorta the same thing,aint it?
---tom2 on 12/18/09


Paul, you are not less of a Christian if you don't celebrate Christmas or Jesus birthday. You are not more of a Christian if you do.
If your conscience is telling you not to, then don't celebrate it. If it is telling you, it's ok, then celebrate Christ birthday because you love Him.
Legalist will always have reasons why we should do things their way. Whether for are against. If you do celebrate the birth of Christ, give Him thanks for coming into your life. For dying for you and for loving you so much, praise and glory to the Lord God Almighty.
---MarkV. on 12/18/09


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Why squabble over what a person celebrates or does not celebrate

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True Christians simply quote Gods Truth which sadly does not support this pagan day ...squabbling is self-appointed by RELIGION and their emotionally charged opinions unsupported by Holy Scripture

HOLY SCRIPTURE is TRUTH ...RCC's xmas is not ...yet all christiandom SERVES RCC on this day as SHE discredits ignores and pollutes Holy Word of God to SERVE and DEFEND the pagan xmas lie


Holy Scripture is Truth - GOD CONDEMNS all things pagan WARNING not to MIX pagan with Him

...only those who cling to their religious christiandom squabble to DEFEND their non-biblical traditions given to them by mortal men Mark 7:6-7
---Rhonda on 12/18/09


Jody asks me to //use caution when condemning large groups of people//.(12/17/09) Did Jody have this in mind when he said //u are only less of a Christian if you are involved in one of the Cults who do not celebrate Christmas//?(12/13/09)

Jody you are a hypocrite!

You go on to hypocritically suggest that I need to 'drum up some love'. Take a leaf out of your own book because your 'love' is not without hypocrisy. May I suggest you take that 'rafter out of your own eye first!'

Anyway, where have I condemned 'large groups of people'? I'm only stating truth and the blatant obvious, which guys like Jody detest. Am I getting a bit too close to the truth for you? Is the awful truth about Dec.25 becoming uncomfortable? Inconvenient?
---David8318 on 12/18/09


look,its a matter of the heart,if your motives are not to give thanks to God for sending his son into the world,to save the world,and are more santa,wordly,then you are being a pagan,and worshipping an IDOL.Beleive me whether you will admitt it to yourself or not, I bet you know which you are,and I will tell you there is no doubt God knows.
---tom2 on 12/18/09


I don't think so. There is nothing in the bible that says we have to celebrate Christmas. There is no proof in the bible that Christ was even born on Decemer 25. We don't have enough information to prove it. If you do not celebrate Christmas that is strictly your beliefs and perogative.. Quote:You do not have to celebrate one day out of the year in order to be a Christian: unquote. This is a lot of man made traditions and teachings out here that will make your stomach churn. Stick to the basics and you will be ok.
---Robyn on 12/17/09


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Jody, You best scold Jesus for calling the Pharisees "offspring of the devil..serpents" that was not very kind,huh?
---1st_cliff on 12/17/09


David: The Bible says to "let each man be fully convinced" regarding these types of questionable things. You are absolutely correct concerning yourself but use caution when condemning large groups of people who are also "fully convinced" and are in right standing with God. With the measure that you use to judge, so it will be used on you by God Himself. If you truly believe others are in error, then pray, pray and pray some more for them.:)Remember that LOVE conquers a multitude of sin so try to drum up some love:)
---jody on 12/17/09


Stop this bickering.

Why squabble over what a person celebrates or does not celebrate? The bible is full of appointed feasts and unappointed feasts. Who is to say that one is greater than the other? There is no harm as long as a person gives thanks to God in everything they do. Does one eat meat sacrifices to idols? Sure they can if they give thanks to God. Does one celebrate christmas that is of pagan origins? Sure they can if they give thanks to God.

Read: 1 Corinthians 10:23-33
---Steveng on 12/17/09


It's a well known historical fact that Emperor Diocletian engaged in a systematic campaign to persecute and murder as many early Christians as he possibly could.

After murdering thousands of Christians, Diocletian held a 'party' to celebrate the murder of so many of Christ's followers.

This 'party' was held on December 25, 303CE (AD).

Emperor Constantine (Diocletian's successor) made this Dec.25 pagan festival an 'official' RCC holy-day.

So, are you less of a Christian if you do not 'celebrate' the Christmas holiday? Rather, you are more of a Christian if you avoid anything to do with the anti-Christ nature of December 25.
---David8318 on 12/17/09


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JackB:

You say:
Paul, you research which of the 365 days doesnt have some *other* form of worship on it and get back with us k///

Why waste my time?

Do you hold fast to the Head, Christ? Or Christmas?

Col 2:19 and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and bands


Col 2:20 If ye died with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do ye subject yourselves to ordinances,

Do you still subject yourself to the worlds rudiments?

Col 2:22 (all which things are to perish with the using), after the precepts and doctrines of men? U still after precepts of men?
---Paul9594 on 12/16/09


I believe that it is a cheap diversion tactic to ever say "a real man would....". If a man is born a man, then he is a "real man", period. Mud slinging will not change that. What you mean to say is that it is a show of 'good character' to admit to being wrong. That is 'positive name calling'. We all must remember that a good tree will have good fruit. The fruit of the Spirit is good character:) Peace in Christ.
---jody on 12/16/09


there nothing wrong with reasoning,thats why God gave us a mind.But scripture tells us specifically not to reason as men,or the world does. Seeking guidance,and counsel from the spirit,and scripture first,then from Godly people who use scripture as a basis of reasoning,always remembering that its Gods ways we want to mimick,and Gods word which we always obey.
---tom2 on 12/16/09


1st_cliff **"Real men" admit when they are wrong!

You are correct, while he is persistent he merely repeats the same thing over and over refusing to acknowledge the fact that many of his beliefs are based totally upon assumptions rather than what the text actually states.

I suspect that he has been skinned alive by evolutionists and defeated in many of his arguments because of lack of knowledge or preparation.
---Lee1538 on 12/15/09


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Lee1538, I don't think mentally challenged quite cuts it. He's a pretty good debater but he does have a tendency to "cut and run" Warwick will use "human reasoning" when it suits his purpose,like on the last blog,challenging the Greek grammar because it was against his belief!
"Real men" admit when they are wrong!
---1st_cliff on 12/15/09


//Lee1538, Be careful, your last paragraph shows "human"reasoning" , and you know that's against the rule here, Right Warwick??

Yes, and we have seen that Warwick has yet to advance to that level as yet.

As I stated before, I have few skills in dealing with mentally challenged individuals unlike my wife who was a special education teacher.
---Lee1538 on 12/14/09


Lee1538, Be careful, your last paragraph shows "human"reasoning" , and you know that's against the rule here, Right Warwick??
---1st_cliff on 12/14/09


no not at all. However you should still respect others that do. I donot celebrate the season either, but my husband & family do, but I am not a bah humbug to my husband as well. We respect eachother. I even make some of the desserts for them to take to his parents house,but I stay behind being christmas eve. we then have a family day the next day with out the commercialisim.
---candice on 12/14/09


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//Am I less of a Christian if I don't celebrate the Christmas holiday?

Not at all but the opportunity to witness is lost on those who would believe that God so loved the world that He gave us His only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. It is that time of year (Advent)like Easter (Lent) when Christians gather for special worship.

From another practical side, if we had no Christmas, there would be higher unemployment as most stores depend upon Christmas to say afloat. And who wants higher unemployment?
---Lee1538 on 12/14/09


lets see,what do people celebrate?birthdays,new car,or home purchases,a never ending array of awards shows,and countless literary,scientific,and many many other awards,sports championships,yes if not asleep or working seems like most people are celebrating something.many with drugs and alcohol.So tell me why one would not celebrate the entering of God into the human race for the purpose of saving it?
---tom2 on 12/14/09


less of a Christian if you are involved in one of the Cults who do not celebrate Christmas
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then by these "christian standards" Biblical Christ Apostles and first century Church were a cult too because they NEVER observed RCC's xmas either established centuries AFTER Christ

"christians" observing RCC's pagan xmas are not a cult for following MENS traditions

YET True Christians are the "cult" because WE BELIEVE in EVERY word from God in Holy Scripture FEAR HIS WARNING to not mix pagan with HIM - following examples of Biblical Christ who NEVER observed RCC's xmas? think I will be "less of a christian" in religious christianities view and BELIEVE Christ not MORTAL MEN
---Rhonda on 12/14/09


In answer to your question, u are only less of a Christian if you are involved in one of the Cults who do not celebrate Christmas and many other things like birthdays or any holiday. If you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and one with God and died for our sins and was resurrected and now lives at the right hand of God the Father, and believe in the Holy Spirit,then you are a Christian saved by grace. Celebrating Christmas has nothing to do with salvation:). Peace in Christ to you:)
---jody on 12/13/09


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If you believe that Christmas is a pagan holiday then let you continue in your belief and let others keep it in their way
******

celebrate xmas day for RCC

...by her authority the celebration of this day exists adopted from pagans superimposing Biblical Christ over it and "christianizing it"

xmas is NOT for Biblical Christ

per Holy Scripture God HATES pagan traditions and God warns do not MIX pagan ways with ME

celebrate xmas day but don't LIE and claim it is for Biblical Christ your beliefs are GIVEN by RCC - KEEP these beliefs of men if you choose - it is this institution you worship and serve on xmas day

NOTHING from Scripture supports RCC's xmas day
---Rhonda on 12/13/09


Christmas ...a time of year to get together and love oneanother casting aside all cares ...I for one put away my frowns and really do feel like letting others know I care about them ...I take delight in the children,their sweet faces
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WOW all that on just "one" day?

I do that EVERYDAY except without facade of "merry xmas"

deception of your "love" is BURIED in religious high feelings of day to AVOID HORRORS of season ...per law enforcement December is most suicides murders robberies rapes domestic violence and other EVIL happenings are magnified this time of year ...so sad self-professing christianity is so numb to reality as they put away their frowns putting on "happy" mask
---Rhonda on 12/13/09


Paul, you research which of the 365 days doesnt have some *other* form of worship on it and get back with us k

Hopefully the 'official' day that CHrist was born on someone else doesnt worship the lizard god on...

Thats the day we'll change Christmas too.

If there are none, then I guess our God just loses out...
---JackB on 12/12/09


JackB:

You said:
How come I don't hear anyone complaining about the 3 kings who brought gifts to Christ when He was born?///

Sorry man but,

They were not kings but wisemen, Where does it say 3 of anything it just reads wisemen.

And it does not say they came to celebrate His birthday!

It reads wisemen came to worship Him.

It also doesn't say it was 25th of December.

Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, Wise-men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying,

2 Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
---Paul9594 on 12/11/09


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How come I dont hear anyone complaining about the 3 kings who brought gifts to Christ when He was born?

Was it a sin for them to do that? Seems to me that it was mentioned in the Bible because it was a blessed act.

Should they not have honored Him at his birth?

The way I see it is if people choose to worship the sun god or w/e on Dec 25 thats their choice. I choose to worship the Son of God and noone will ever be able to convince me that God doesnt love ANY day of the year that we choose to honor and worship Him.

Do we need to check all the history books to determine which days are free of pagan worship so that we can worship the one true God?
---JackB on 12/10/09


The idea, of course, is that you do not BEGIN celebrating Christmas until 25 December--not end it then--and continue it for the 12 Days until 6 January.

The weeks before are spent in fasting and abstinence.
---Cluny on 12/9/09


If Christmas is celebrated that gives glory to God, then, by all means, celebrate all you want. Giving thanks to God the Father in all that you do. We give thanks for bringing His son to earth. We give thanks for the food on the table, a roof over our heads, and the gifts we receive and give. We give thanks for the jobs we have and the surplus money we make to share with others in need at this special time of year when needs is more prevalant - although we should give thanks every day of the year.

If you believe that Christmas is a pagan holiday then let you continue in your belief and let others keep it in their way.

One last thought, thousands of people came to Christ BECAUSE of Christmas.
---Steveng on 12/9/09


No. Just a bit richer and sadder. Christmas is a wonderful time of year and should be enjoyed by all. Both saved and the unsaved. But it is your choice. I feel people like you place unnecessary burdens upon themselves. A sad way to live. I love the lights, sights and scenery. And good time had by all. I am a christian
---Robyn on 12/9/09


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Yes. Jehovah's Witnesses do give the unscriptural, Neoplatonic philosophy of the trinity a very wide berth and do not believe Jesus to be 'God incarnate'- the terms 'trinity' and 'incarnate' are unscriptural.

Jehovah's Witnesses are also in agreement with the Apostle Peter, who wrote regarding the resurrection of Christ- "he (Christ) being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit". Jesus was made alive "IN THE SPIRT". (1Pe.3:18)

Jehovah's Witnesses also avoid polluting their worship with unscriptural, pagan festivals such as Christmas and Easter which have nothing to do with true Christianity. (Cluny 12/8/09)
---David8318 on 12/9/09


Rhonda to each his own,I'm not trying to change you or,put you down. I wonder if you are American do you celebrate the July 4 Independence Day,or Thanksgiving, National Holiday Celebrating the Pilgrams and Indians first get together to give thanks? Theres many more Holidays school lets out and people celebrate. Christmas doesn't just remind people of Christs Birth and I doubt if it is on Dec.25,but its a time of year to get together and love oneanother casting aside all cares and to just enjoy life and fellowship with those we love. I for one put away my frowns and really do feel like letting others know I care about them by saying have a Merry Christmas,my heart is lighter. I take delight in the children,their sweet faces. I celebrate love.
---Darlene_1 on 12/9/09


Rhonda...You don't celebrate birthdays either?
---KarenD on 12/9/09


Theres no degree of a Christian. You either are or you arent. It is Gods power working in us to conform us to the image of Christ. Its not our place to judge one another. We are another 'man's servant' as the Bible puts it.

There is weak in the faith and strong in the faith. The Bible shows that those who are weak in the faith typically worry about holidays, what meats they eat, they typical bicker amongst themselves and debate over pointless issues in foolish pride. They dont yet realize their liberty and their equality in Christ.

Its not about us, its about our overall effect on the world in the name of Jesus Christ and we are failing miserably with all this lashing out at one another.
---JackB on 12/9/09


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Is it that maybe you love the Lord enough to celebrate everyday as the Lords? I do not want a simple Sunday to acknowledge Him. I want to be His everyday in every way! I do not see an absolute wrong with the day of Christmas and, in our Liberal Political Nation, we are blessed by God to still have a family, let alone the right to wo4rship our God! Just maybe we will not vote for brains being sucked from the most innocent of heads and raise our children to be responsible when a mistake is made? Virgil
---Virgil on 12/9/09


In other words, Rhonda, you clearly think you're spiritually superior.
---Cluny on 12/8/09
*****

interesting perception

so when a "christian" wishes me a merry xmas in their sing songy childish way to shove in my face that I don't celebrate the day and they REMIND me it is "their day" and I WILL LIKE being wished a merry xmas regardless of whether I celebrate the day

then please ENLIGHTEN ME from the "higher than thou christian perspective" WHO IS more "spiritually superior"?

they are mean-spirited they are not truly wishing me anything - you are far more wrapped up in your pious "christianity" if you believe otherwise
---Rhonda on 12/9/09


Celebrate Christmas, by loving all people the way Jesus has done >

Gifts of Christmas

Yes, we can spend all day
looking at the wrapping
and be clapping
about the labels.
But you need to *open* your gifts (o:
It does not matter if
they are institutionalized
ones with ribbons,
or just covered with paper
or copy-cat patterns.
Open each gift and see
who is inside, for us to love (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/9/09


Christmas is not biblical. Christmas was originally instituted, Dec. 25th which was indeed a pagan festival commemorating the birthday of a false god. While this is historical, what is frequently overlooked is that the church's choice of December 25th was intentional. Instead of Christianizing a pagan festival, the church established a rival celebration. While the world has all but forgotten the Greco-Roman gods of antiquity, with the exception of few here who still follow them, and want to remind you of them, we are annually reminded that two thousand years ago Christ invaded time and space. Which reminds us that our Savior came and "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down His life for His friends"
---MarkV. on 12/9/09


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angels appeared to shepherds announcing the birth as a joyous event to all people,and God marked the spot with a star.as others have said,if your motives for celebration are wordly,then really you aren,t celebrating his birth.Theres nothing wrong with giving gifts,not to the point of debt that strains your finances,nor should you borrow,celebration within your heart,and mind, because you love jesus,THANKFULLNESS,that God loves us enough to experience life as we do,then choose to die for us.anyway no your not less of a christian.possibly more because you may be avoiding all the trappings.
---tom2 on 12/9/09


The point is Rhonda, that for true Christians, it is NOT a holiday of the wolrd.

It is our celebration of Jesus coming to this world .. just part of the celbration of His whole life, death and resurrection.

Is that not something we should celebrate?

You sound as if yuo are not glad about it, or about Him or what He did for us.
---ala8566_of_uk on 12/8/09


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Why would I celebrate a holiday of the WORLD when God tells HIS people to come out FROM the world and be separate and not mix pagan traditions with him?\\

In other words, Rhonda, you clearly think you're spiritually superior.
---Cluny on 12/8/09


The real question is do you consider yourself spiritually superior because you don't?

That's the issue: WHY don't you?
*****

I can't speak for Jehovah's followers I am not one and I don't celebrate

that would be a FIRST somebody suggested I thought I was "superior" usually those "christians" who hear I don't sarcastically tell me I'm lost or in a sing-songy way (like a child mocking another in a playground) wish me a merry xmas or they tell me I'm going to hell or like the cartoon I'm a grinch or scrooge LOL

Why would I celebrate a holiday of the WORLD when God tells HIS people to come out FROM the world and be separate and not mix pagan traditions with him?
---Rhonda on 12/8/09


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The real question is do you consider yourself spiritually superior because you don't?

That's the issue: WHY don't you?

Jehovah's Witnesses make a big deal over not celebrating Christmas or Pascha (Easter).

But then, they do NOT believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, nor do they believe in the bodily Resurrection of Jesus. (Which means they are not Christians, but that's another issue.)
---Cluny on 12/8/09


Ancient cultures "celebrated" PAST EVENTS/tradition (a pagan/secular habit), but The Lord tells us that the truly Godly person should avoid "TRADITION" and be practical.

No matter what other people say or encourage, we are to address reality and each other in a practical, righteous and prudent manner, not prudishly focusing on meaningless technicalities and superficial/frivolous trivia.

In order to be a master of yourself, YOU must do as YOU have decided is right.

2 Corinthians 9:7
"Each one must do as he has made up his mind".

Titus 1:8
"master of himself".

Love the truth...."AND SO BE SAVED" (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

Verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 12/8/09


You should not be celebrating the Christmas holiday, instead you should be celebrating Christ the Savior being born on Christmas day.
---Eloy on 12/8/09


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