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Can Prophets Be Wrong

Is there any leeway for a "prophet" to be wrong? Must a prophet meet the hundred percent requirement acknowledged in Deuteronomy 18:22?

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Trav, Yes, the death of the husband frees the wife to remarry
But God was the husband of adulteress Israel, and He's immortal. So she is NEVER free to remarry!
Trav???
---1st_cliff on 1/2/10


Jerry - Technically you are correct that it was Miller who determined from his study of Scripture that Christ would return in October 1844.

However, Ellen and other members of her family attended Adventist meetings and accepted the views presented by Miller and his associates. (Ellen G. White: A Brief Biography by Arthur L. White)

While she was baptized at a Methodist church, she was booted out because she placed more confidence in her visions than that of the Bible.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


1stcliff,
Resurected forms do not have physical material makeup as we do in our physical forms.---earl on 1/1/10

Earl, Christ rose, ate and drank.

Also, prophets testify :
Ezekiel 37:5-7

5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones, Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live, and ye shall know that I am the LORD.


12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
---Trav on 1/2/10


Jack B,Jer.3.8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away"
Deut.24.4 Not allowed to remarry her after divorcing her!
---1st_cliff on 12/23/09

Cliff overlooks when the husband dies....it frees the wife. Isaiah 54:4
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth, but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will, only in the Lord.
---Trav on 12/30/09

Cliff??
---Trav on 1/2/10


Jerry,

I know that I believe 'god' does not exist. But if you could show any valid scientific study (that has withstood publishing and peer review), that even hinted at the the existence of 'god' or tooth fairies for that matter, I would be interested.



If you can't then quit playing, "I am a scientist". You believe what you believe, and that's it. Quit denigrating the scientific method by pretending it somehow supports your position.

There never has been any experiment that even hints at 'god'. You know it. Admit it.
---atheist on 1/2/10




Lee: "As for religious views, the Adventists' prophet E. White was certaily wrong in her early view that Christ would return in October 1844. Rather doubt that anyone can dispute that much."

As with most everything you say, I dispute it. Ellen white was not a prophet in 1844 - she was 17 at the time. The man who predicted (not prophesied) Jesus return in 1844 was William Miller - a Baptist. Now that you've been educated, will you begin ranting against Baptists the way you do SDAs?
---jerry6593 on 1/2/10


1stcliff,
Resurected forms do not have physical material makeup as we do in our physical forms.God is within us> as God is spirit-nonphysical,nonhuman substance within the human consciousness and thinking parts of man and woman.
The nonphysical form and appearance of such vehicle , the conscious personality's habitation ,at resurection,consciousness regained ,is unknown to all.
Can you tell us if the new form will be biped,bicrainel ?Will we respirate a two gas mixture as we do now or will it be three.Or will we respirate at all?The tree of life will be within our reach so will we consume by mouth the fruit?Where will our digested food go?
---earl on 1/1/10


Is there any leeway for a "prophet" to be wrong? Must a prophet meet the hundred percent requirement acknowledged in Deuteronomy 18:22?

Certainly a prophet can be wrong in areas that are purely secular in nature. He may even believe that the earth is flat, that the sun revolves around the earth, etc. etc. etc.

As for religious views, the Adventists' prophet E. White was certaily wrong in her early view that Christ would return in October 1844. Rather doubt that anyone can dispute that much.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


Earl, Are you suggesting that the resurrected ones will be "brainless"? or that Angels are "brainless' robots??
Expound a little on this "God is within them" theory!
---1st_cliff on 1/1/10


Agnostic:

Do you REALLY want a scientific experiment to verify the existence of God?
---jerry6593 on 12/25/09

Yes. One that as a 'scientist' you could with credibilty submit for publishing and have open for peer review.
---atheist on 12/26/09

No, no, no...Jerry.

First of all, I never said I was trying to find out if 'god' was really there.
---atheist on 12/31/09

You are not only agnostic (ignorant), but confused as well. Make up your mind. Do you want to know God or not?
---jerry6593 on 1/1/10




No, no, no...Jerry.

First of all, I never said I was trying to find out if 'god' was really there. (Anymore than I am trying to prove the existence of demons.)

I would however, since both you and Warwick consistently find questionable ways to debunk scientific evidence (claiming science on your side), be interested in an experiment (completed using the scientific method and reviewed legitimately by peers in the scientific community) that shows a modicum of evidence for the existence of 'god'.

Your repeated claims of being a 'scientist' must mean that you have at your disposal some such credible studies. Show them. Else stop playing scientist, and admit you believe what you believe, and science has nothing to do with it.
---atheist on 12/31/09


1stcliff,Are you sure?
The human brain will not be resurected.Because---Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.Only things in spiritual form and nature may enter heaven,nothing more.
The human body is combustible.It does not go there--why,because a new body will be supplied the consciousness who at that moment awakens therein.
Also,Can a scientist develop a method to become himself/herself conscious of another's consciousness that possesses God in it?No.
Anyone can say God is within them but the seeking scientist cannot verify such statement.
---earl on 12/31/09


Agnostic: "Jerry, Yes. One that as a 'scientist' you could with credibilty submit for publishing and have open for peer review."

Since ChristiaNet is the forum we both have chosen, they shall be our peers.

"125 words or less on Chirtianet does not count..."

Says who? Isn't your attention span long enough to read 125 words?

Somehow, I don't think you are serious about finding if God is really there. Convince me.
---jerry6593 on 12/31/09


Earl, "Human consciousness cannot be explored with scientific methods"
You obviously have had very little contact with Psychiatry..exploring the brain in depth. The brain is the seat of human consciousness. The personality housed inside the brain is who you are! Developed from infancy shaped by all your contacts,educated,bombarded daily by bits of information that you either embrace or disregard!
At death the brain ceases, can only be reassembled by resurrection! By the one who designed it!
---1st_cliff on 12/30/09


Jack B,Jer.3.8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away"
Deut.24.4 Not allowed to remarry her after divorcing her!
---1st_cliff on 12/23/09

Cliff overlooks when the husband dies....it frees the wife. Isaiah 54:4
Fear not, for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded, for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
Romans 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law ...
1 Corinthians 7:39
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth, but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will, only in the Lord.
---Trav on 12/30/09


christmas spirit is a frame of emotion,the good spirited person is also,the mean spirited is also, the breath- a physical substance is a composition of physical elements.The Spirit,in general, is a nonphysical,non material, non human consciousness.
Atheist wants man to demonstrate Spirit existance-proof-through scientific method- in the domain of our physical existance.Can God be found in the human consciousness-yes.People are God conscious.But materialists do not agree.Can the human consciousness cannot be explored with scientific method?
---earl on 12/28/09


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1stcliff,
We can only say that- evidence within the self is self evident.
---earl on 12/28/09


Earl, Nice try but it all depends on which spirit you're discussing!
The "Christmas Spirit" is an intangible frame of mind,a feeling in the air.
Pneuma is the Gr. word for spirit meaning air, breath,breeze etc.(Heb is ruach)
If one is in "good spirits" he is in a happy mood. Air is liquid and tangable, you can feel it.
If one is "mean spirited" it is a vile mood, or attitude.
The spirit that leaves your body at death is your breath,just as god "activated" Adam with the breath of life so at death that activation ceases or leaves!
---1st_cliff on 12/27/09


Lying and bearing false witness is a sin.
---Eloy on 12/27/09


Peer review-The band wagon political effect-where as one will jump on the wagon if others will.-thus the individual has really not committed to but does not want to appear standing in the street alone.
Jerry,you have presented a offer to atheist and he accepted it as a challenge - on two conditions.
I am curious to see if you can put spirit in a bottle for all the world to view.
Spirit does not register on the element chart.
Spirit is a non physical substance that is experienced with the human mind and not found upon a slide show under a microscope.
The unbelieving jews also wanted a sign.It was denied them and those jews was accused of being a sign seeking generation.
---earl on 12/27/09


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Jerry,

Yes. One that as a 'scientist' you could with credibilty submit for publishing and have open for peer review.

125 words or less on Chirtianet does not count...
---atheist on 12/26/09


Spill it Jerry lol
---JackB on 12/26/09


Atheist: Merry Christmas!

Do you REALLY want a scientific experiment to verify the existence of God? If you do, I can tell you how. But it will be temporarily difficult for you, and will change your life forever (for the better).
---jerry6593 on 12/25/09


I just want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas. You too, ChristiaNet. Have a safe one, and don't run in any ditches.
---catherine on 12/24/09


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Trav, So God made it illegal for one to remarry a divorced spouse, and he would turn around and re-marry a nation He divorced??? NO!
---1st_cliff on 12/22/09

Well,in a poker game where I would go all in and you would confidently follow.
This is not a poker game. Much more beautiful a seldom seen hand. You,r the first after multiple posts on this subject that comments or knows it should be a "NO".
Annointed one died....he freed All Israel for Re-marriage, N Widowhood. Including Nations Not divorced,Judah/Benj.

New Covenant Heb 8:8.
Matthew 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
---Trav on 12/23/09


Has He divorced Israel?

From what Ive read He's just angry with them and trying to provoke them to jealousy (Romans 9)
---JackB on 12/23/09

Note playa's.
Jealousy is between Judah/Benj and 10/11 divorced Nations. The Lost Sheep of the house, that readily accept and take him back for the last 2009 years. Judah is irked big time from a Christian view. We hold their world together....literally.
Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

(Note: Judah, is not divorced)Christ would not be born illegit, even though...as above.
---Trav on 12/23/09


Jack B,Jer.3.8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away"
Deut.24.4 Not allowed to remarry her after divorcing her!
---1st_cliff on 12/23/09


Atheist:

Do you REALLY want a scientific experiment to verify the existence of God? If you do, I can tell you how. But it will be temporarily difficult for you, and will change your life forever (for the better).
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


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Has He divorced Israel?

From what Ive read He's just angry with them and trying to provoke them to jealousy (Romans 9)
---JackB on 12/23/09


Trav, So God made it illegal for one to remarry a divorced spouse, and he would turn around and re-marry a nation He divorced??? NO!
---1st_cliff on 12/22/09


Atheist,...attempted to take out of the earth's population ,a people (nation) that He would deal with to the exclusion of all others.
They rebelled so many times that he "divorced" them. He sent His Son to earth,and soon had a devoted following,supplanting the "original" nation!
---1st_cliff on 12/18/09

Cliff, you followed scripture up to the supplanting part....
GOD married (Israel Nation of 13 nations), Divorced 11 parts/nations and prophesied he would remarry them in future. Without breaking his own divorce laws. (Widowhood enacted).
He renewed the covenant, with lost sheep 10 virgin/Nations, the brides to be, of the covenant noted in, Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 etc,etc.
---Trav on 12/21/09


Atheist, 1st of all God didn't make "groups" of people.(Just 2) We all came from those 2! To be a descendant of the 1st (selected) group you would have to be Jewish. I'm not!The rest of humanity are not "godless" they made up their own.
You're right , they don't get along,9/11 was the result of "religious" fanatics (Islamic) The war in Iraq, Afghanistan (Taliban, fanatics) Northern Ireland (Catholic and Protestant extremists) and the beat goes on!
The bible says this is satan's world--look around, does this look like the world a loving God would run??? According to His promise it will change.(No need to shout from heaven)
---1st_cliff on 12/20/09


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Cliff,

So according to your history God only talked to 'His exclusive people', but for some unknown reason he stopped talking to them.

So I take it that people like you are descendants of the exclusive people and can communicate with god through bible interpretation and prayer. That way you know how to deal with the rest of humanity who apparently are completely godless, and always have been.

Why did your god make a group of people he didn't like so much that he wouldn't talk to them? Why didn't he just make people he liked?
Obiviously, people who know god aren't going to get along with people who don't, and there are going to be wars. That's a nasty situation to leave everyone in.
---atheist on 12/19/09


P.1.The war in heaven spread to the people in their early years of their progressive development on Earth and is the reason that religionists are confused.The past ,present and future people of this world are and will be experiencing a form of religious retardation .This world partially recieved a supportive beginning start in their beginning stages of spiritual development but the rebellion rampaged .The one we recognize by the name as lucifer lost his mind and faith.Many thoughtless people are quick to say why does not the Spirit come down from heaven to correct the problems humans see as mistakes.The process of rekeying or rebuilding a spiritual world that was lost is not based on the speed of time material man thinks it should be.
---earl on 12/19/09


P.2.Jesus entered our world and clarified the meaning of God,his nature and his motives and showed man a new way of salvation .This war ended upon the transfer of authority to Jesus as the bible records.However,the residual effects of the rebellion are long lasting and will continue for a while longer.From the time of rebellion on earth most of mankind has had to rely upon the inward presence of God where he/she believes without seeing a physical visible presence of him or a represenative of him.Jesus' life on earth -the exception is the beginning of a new age of cleaning up the mess and confusion that transpired long ago from one who believed the universes are not inhabited by God.
---earl on 12/19/09


P.3.It would be a easy task for God to make immediate corrections when a subordinate son goes straying but if so this would lead to immediately stripping away man's self will to choose.That in itself is a selfish act and very unGodlike.
The time is presently at hand that Jesus is reteaching mankind-his gospel- without removing man's will to choose their tomorrow.Jesus left his supporters to restate his gospel-revelation in revealing the one source from which all things come- and a true accomplishment it was in spite of many who have caused additional confusion to these records.Mankind also experiences the struggle with the grip of tradition -the fear of change that reveals understanding.
---earl on 12/19/09


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Atheist: "With his omnipotent power he should at least have the ability to have all children born into families that are going to teach them about him, so they will pray to him and not some other non-god god."

Is that what happened to you - your parents didn't teach you about the REAL God?

"If you claim to talk to god, Jerry the scientist, show us by experiment that you do so."

Do you REALLY want a scientific experiment to verify the existence of God? If you do, I can tell you how. But it will be temporarily difficult for you, and will change your life forever (for the better).
---jerry6593 on 12/19/09


Atheist, According to history, this God who spoke (aloud) not whispering in individual ears,attempted to take out of the earth's population ,a people (nation) that He would deal with to the exclusion of all others.They rebelled so many times that he "divorced" them. He sent His Son to earth,and soon had a devoted following,supplanting the "original" nation!
These(Christians) are His exclusive people, for His unknown reason does not speak aloud, to them (perhaps ALL has been said) He has little or no interest in non Christians! The way I see it!
---1st_cliff on 12/18/09


GOD speaking again will not end the confusion. The person who states they are a prophet will be ridiculed, told they are crazy and false prophets. That is by the Christians those who are atheists would not listen in the first place.
---Samuel on 12/18/09


Jerry,

If 'god', the ancient 'god' was every really there and talking why would he stop? If he didn't stop why would there be such a multitude of religions and more important why would Christians be so confused about the elemental matters of his behaviors and wants. You would know if there was a burning hell for sins and with that knowing certainty not sin.

With his omnipotent power he should at least have the ability to have all children born into families that are going to teach them about him, so they will pray to him and not some other non-god god.

He didn't stop. He was never there. His existence is mythology.

If you claim to talk to god, Jerry the scientist, show us by experiment that you do so.
---atheist on 12/18/09


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"So why did he stop talking? Why doesn't he talk again and end the confusion?"
---atheist on 12/17/09

What makes you think He doesn't still talk to people? Would you like to talk to Him?
---jerry6593 on 12/18/09


Cliff,

So why did he stop talking? Why doesn't he talk again and end the confusion?
---atheist on 12/17/09


Atheist, The record of the 1st God is set in ancient history.This is a God who actually spoke to and led humans.He said what HE WAS GOING TO DO AND DID IT ,like the flood of Noah's day etc.
People being free willed (just like you and I)made up their own idea of a god.
Representing him with some form of likeness ,be it animal, human, or otherwise.
None of the manufactured gods had any power.Nor do those today,Allah,Vishnu,Buddha etc.
A real God must have Power. YHVH has proven His power many times! Is there a difference??? I think so!
---1st_cliff on 12/17/09


Mima, In the context, these passages all have to do with a "Prophet" to come. Jesus Christ. Moses was saying that the Lord God would raise up for the people a "Prophet" like him from the midst of the brethren. The singular pronoun emphasizes the Ultimate Prophet who was to come.
The coming Messiah who like Moses would receive and preach divine revelation and lead His people. The warning was to be careful of false prohets who claim to be that Prophet, and gives instructions on what to check.
Jesus was like Moses in that,
1. He was spared death as a baby Ex. 2, Matt.2:13-23
2. He spoke to God face to face Ex. 34:29,30, 2 Cor. 3:7
3. He made intercession for the people Deu. 9:18, Heb. 11:24-27.
---MarkV. on 12/16/09


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Cliff,

Certainly.

When I put 'god' in quotes I do it to refer to god, the concept.

When you refer to God, you refer to the one you believe in, and you believe is 'real'.

The clarification I am seeking is the Muslim God for instance, another God that is 'real' or just a false belief in many of the not real Gods,---all the other 'gods' you don't believe in?

And if all those other Gods are not really there, then why doesn't your god, who you believe is there, let everyone else know about it. Why would he let anyone be born and taught only the Hindu religion?
---atheist on 12/16/09


God has taken some pressure off me. Hallelujah, thank you Jesus. God can speak any words that He wants to through true prophets [so God tells me]. Also, He reminded me the other day that I am not just like those prophets in the Bible.
---Catherine on 12/16/09


Atheist, If I may bud in here, The God Christians know named Himself in Ex6.3, as YHVH without any "A.K.A." Buddha,Allah,Vishnu etc.. One God with one name, the others are named by whomever worships them! All different and different from each other!
---1st_cliff on 12/16/09


Paul: "No A true prophet is not 100% nor 50% right!"

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

"Was Jonah a false prophet because Nineveh did not fall in 40 days?" No, he was a true prophet, but the prophecy was conditional - it contained a big IF. IF they repent .....
---jerry6593 on 12/16/09


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Elder,

I am afraid that I still don't understand your beliefs and explanation.

Let me put the question another way: Do you believe that people of all faiths are believing in and worshipping the same 'god'? If one is raised as a Hindu, he will have different 'gods' and be using different scriptural references than you,---but do you believe he is communicating with the same 'god'? Or is he not really communicating with any 'god' at all because he never learned about the one true 'god' that you believe in? And what is his fate?

I have said before, I do understand the comfort 'god' and religions give people, but the divisiveness and hatred generated between people of the many religions seems far worse than that benefit.
---atheist on 12/15/09


Atheist, I should be more clear...
What I was trying to say was that God reveals Himself to each person. Then that person accepts Him or a substitute. In your case you have accepted a non-god of any kind for your worship. Now of course the true God has presented Himself to you. I know because I have read the post sent to you here. Your rejection of the true God and Saviour has sent you to the god of unbelief which in its self is a belief.
This makes your style of worship refreshing for you here but you are still responsible for what you have done with Gods only begotten Son who became your sacrifice.
---Elder on 12/15/09


Elder,

From what you write then you would seem to agree with the idea that Muslims, Jews, and Bhuddists are all worshipping the same 'god'.

Is this correct?
---atheist on 12/15/09


"if I pick the wrong 'god', even the one I think you believe in, but its the wrong god, will the one true god still provide me and you with eternal damnation, or will we get off because we at least tried to pick a god."
atheist on 12/14/09
There is no way for you to accept the "wrong god." the Righteous God reveals Himself to everyone. Some deny that He exists and/or refuse to accept Him. Then they accept whatever comes along.
That's why we see Psm 14:1 and 53:1.
---Elder on 12/15/09


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Children of the Father:

No A true prophet is not 100% nor 50% right!

The prophecy of a true prophet of the Father can be delayed or canceled or diminished because of repentance, although this is very rare! Gods people tend to be stiff necks.

This is why judgment begins in the church.

Was Jonah a false prophet because Nineveh did not fall in 40 days?
No,
So no a True Prophet is no weighed as true only by spoken prophecies. Prophet is weighed more by His teachings!

Isaiah 8:20

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
---Paul9594 on 12/14/09


Pastor Jim,

So who is 'Scientist'? Did 'Scientist' publish a paper on his results and offer his tests and methodolgies up from critical evalution?

Calculating the probablity of something happening or not happening is not the same as proving that something happen.

Is that the messiah would be born of the virgin on you list of eight or 333. How about showing you proof for that one?

No that wouldn't be fair---that is actually three of them, Jesus was the 'messiah', the messiah would be called 'Jesus', and his mother would be a virgin.

Just prove that Mary, any 'Mary' will do, gave birth as a virgin.
---atheist on 12/14/09


Mima,

Is that damnation the burning in hell forever type, or just dead and not living forever.

And tell me, if I pick the wrong 'god', even the one I think you believe in, but its the wrong god, will the one true god still provide me and you with eternal damnation, or will we get off because we at least tried to pick a god.
---atheist on 12/14/09


A statement like this,
"Donna,
There is no proof that Jesus was the "messiah" or his mother was a virgin."
---atheist on 12/12/09
is very heart rendering. This person has an eternal souls that must be consigned to a place of eternal rest or eternal damnation.

I believe as believers it would be right and proper for us to pray that the blinders come off of this man's eyes, that the cold indifferent heart be replaced with a warm and understanding heart. Remember only a ----has said in his heart there is no God. So let us take courage and pray earnestly for this person's conversion!!!
---mima on 12/14/09


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Atheist. Jesus fulfilled all 333 prohecies concerning Messiah. Scientist ran only the 8 most obvious ones through a supercomputer. The result of fulfilling just these 8 were 10 to 1400000000 power.

The 8 were never in question, even by atheists. This number is the same as filling the State of Texas 3 feet deep with quarters from one end to the other. Then you would need to find the particular quarter in this pile thatwas Messiah. Jesus did this in not just 8 cases but 333 cases. No computer in the world can do the statistic on 333 cases.

God also called BY NAME the King of Babylon CYRUS, 250 years before he was even born.

Raed "The Case for Christ". Written by an atheist/lawyer/Journalist to disprove Messiah.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/14/09


Donna,
There is no proof that Jesus was the "messiah" or his mother was a virgin.
---atheist on 12/12/09

atheist, if the prophets were wrong in predicting the coming of the Messiah, born from a virgin (that's in Isaiah), then Jesus Himself is the PROOF that He is the Messiah because Jesus isn't a liar.

To deny Jesus is the Messiah then you are calling Jesus a liar and since Jesus said, "I and the Father are One" you are also calling God a liar - you're treading on very dangerous places. I don't just believe, I KNOW Jesus is the Messiah, and He was born of a virgin, the Word of God, God's word tells us so and we choose to believe God, not you.
---Donna on 12/14/09


Yes indeed! A TRUE prophet must not only be 100% accurate, but must also speak according to the entire Bible (Isa 8:20). Nostradamus was by no means 100% accurate. Nor (as an astrologer) did he speak according to the Word of God.
---jerry6593 on 12/14/09


Yes, a prophet speaks the word of God and God is never wrong. Prophets are subject to scrutiny of prophets and a prophet can discern the false prophets. I have found that most real prophets are not the ones who have large followings and publications. There are many "ear ticklers" out there as well as "fortune tellers" who claim to be prophets of God. May God have mercy upon them. I imagine that there are some who are endowed with the gift but have abused it with private interpretation for selfish gain. Prophecy is the very mind of Christ so there is no "leeway" with the mind of Christ. Just perfection.
---jody on 12/13/09


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A PROPHET OF GOD HAS NEVER EVER BEEN WRONG!!!
ALL OF GOD'S PROPHETS WERE 100% RIGHT.

Also, predicting future is not what a Prophet does. It is only a minor part. He is an empty shell that God uses as a mouth piece. He is literally a nobody, but is being used by God.

The age of prophets occured because when the Israelites heard Gods voice direct when he spoke the 1st 2 commandments at them. They could not stand it. Then on, he used Moses and the prophets to communcate to his people. Which eased their fear.

In Hebrew, the word that traditionally translates as prophet is Navi, which means "spokesperson". This forms the second of the three letters of TaNaKh.
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/13/09


Mima,Altho Nostradamus didn't appear 'till the 16th century,his prophecies have been dead on ,including 9/11.
What say you???
---1st_cliff on 12/13/09


pat robertson made every year predictions. he was wrong everytime.
---jim on 12/13/09


Earl, Tecumseh was a Shawnee Indian chief who helped the Canadians and Sir Issac Brock defeat the Americans in the battle of 1812.
---1st_cliff on 12/12/09


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Earl ... if you want to talk about spiders, forget longitude & latitude, and think World Wide Web ... the very communication system that you are using when you blog here.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/12/09


Donna,
There is no proof that Jesus was the "messiah" or his mother was a virgin.

Earl,
To claim that the grid systems that are used to determine latitude and longitude using assumptions is the outcome of a prophecy of a spiderweb surrounding the earth is quite a stretch.
---atheist on 12/12/09


Atheist,I think it was Tecumseh ,a prophet, who said that there will be a spider web surrounding the earth.
How does a spyder travel across the globe?
We now have latitude and longitude that is very much like the appearance of a spyder web..
This has come true.
And ,Tecumseh ,a leader of men ,who never met Jesus , also taught the 'golden rule' to his people in his day.
---earl on 12/11/09


yes,there were over 160 prophecies about jesus,that christ fullfilled,including his birth place,crucifiction,death,and resurrection,all prophesied up to 1000 years or more before his birth
---tom2 on 12/11/09


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Prophets are not perfect and may speak out of turn, but for the most part they will confer with the Holy spirit before speaking.

When God uses a person in prophecy, they will learn to speak as the Holy Ghost sits upon them, i am speaking from experience.

God has given me visions, word of prophecy,and words of judgment in the church, so don't ever think that a Prophet is perfect . If someone (person in the church}is being misled God will reveal the false prophet, teacher, pastor apostle,evangelist to those that seek his Wisdom and Truth. We all have to be taught so be teachable by God.

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---lea on 12/11/09


Yes, a "false" prophet can be wrong at least 50% of the time.
---KarenD on 12/11/09


Mima, I'd say that command was clear, that if a man prophesied that something would happen but it didn't, then don't listen to him. But I am not perfect, so I can misunderstand what God has a real prophet say. So, I need to keep checking with God, about what people say, so I get how God means something. I may need to grow in character of honesty, before I can get something right. Also . . . even a real prophet can sin and misuse his prophetic authority > 1 Kings 13 > in this case, the man went along with the lie of a real prophet, but then the man was accountable, though an older prophet had misled him. So, we are never excused to go along with even a Christian leader when he is wrong > another example > Galatians 2:11-13.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/11/09


Has a 'prophet' ever been proven right?
---atheist on 12/11/09

athiest, YES, how about Isaiah? He was right when He said the Messiah would be born of a virgin.

How about Jeremiah? Daniel? Hosea? Zachariah? and Jesus, He too was a prophet oh and so was John the Baptist, he predicted the Messiah's coming. "One who is greater than I will come,,,,,etc.,
---Donna on 12/11/09


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Mima Hebrews 13:8 Jesus is the same yesterday,today,and forever,God doesn't change. I would say the verse you gave is still in effect,therefore a prophet does have to meet the 100% test,no leeway can be given. I think it is good to have such a sure test of,it is God's truth or mans own words. Prophecy comes from God and he has all knowledge of tomorrow so his word can't fail. I know there are many false things given from mans own mind when some who have been used in that manner by God forget their place,only a transmitter for God's voice. Some like the attention,the position,the prestige they get and when God doesn't give them Prophecy because they've become too puffed up with their own importance,they make their own up.
---Darlene_1 on 12/11/09


Of course a prophet can be wrong. There are true prophets of God that are following God and have a very close relationship with God, those are the anointed ones chose by God and usually are not wrong.

But then there are those who think they are prophets, blurt stuff out, and are not prophets at all.

I have always believed a true prophet will prophesy the word of God, not some new thing. I could be wrong.
---Donna on 12/11/09


Has a 'prophet' ever been proven right?
---atheist on 12/11/09


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