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Did Jesus Die For Everyone

Hebrews 2:9 last line says,"that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Does this mean that Jesus died for even those who will not receive him? Comments

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Brethren, Jesus tasted death for every man, even for those who will not receive Him, in order to take away the sin of the world : Perfecting Salvation for those who would receive Him !! John 1:29

Heb.2:9-11 Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of Death, crowned with Glory & Honor, that He by the Grace of God should taste Death for every man.

10 For it became Him, for whom are all things & by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto Glory, to make the Captain(Himself) of their Salvation Perfect through sufferings.

11 For both He that Sanctifieth and they who are Sanctified are all of one & He is not ashamed to call them Brethren.
---ShawnM.T. on 1/29/10

Yes,he died for everyone but anyone who doesn't accept him as Saviour won't go to Heaven.
---shirley on 1/29/10

Duane, Every man will know once he is born again, because his whole way of thinking will be changed. But the time God's Spirit wakes someone up from the dead no one knows. All he knows is that there is a change in his thinking and that he now wants to know about Christ so begins to seek Him. A spiritually dead person does not seek after God. For a sinner to come to Christ that he might have life, is for him to realize the awful danger of his situation, is for him to see that the sword of Divine justice is suspened over his head, is to awaken to the fact that there is but a step between him and death, and that after death is the judgment, and in order for him to escape this judgment he flees from the wrath to come, and cry's unto God for mercy.
---MarkV. on 1/29/10

Duane #2: To come to Christ for life, is for the sinner to feel and acknowledge that he is utterly destitute of any claim upon God's favor of Grace, is to see himself as "without strength," lost and undone, is to admit that he is deserving of nothing but eternal death and humbly ask for Divine mercy. A sinner has to abandon his own righteousness and be ready to be made the righteousness of Christ. That only happens to those who are really born of the Spirit. But are sinners ready to take such an attitude before God? Not many here for they will not humble their rights. You can see that by the answers many here give. They want to have the power even when begging for mercy. A far cry from a humble heart.
---MarkV. on 1/29/10

Did you not read?
Jesus said, "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father, and I lay down My life for the sheep. (He didn's say all mankind or also the goats) And other sheep (these refers to the Gentiles who will respond to His voice and become a part of the church) I have which do not belong to the fold, them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and one Shepherd."
---MarkV. on 1/29/10

Now Kath,
How many times have we tried to explain to Markv that a person is not born with the Holy Spirit in them or that the Holy Spirit doesn't even enter them until they believe(have faith) God?
You know he really believes God forces people believe him. You know he believes God already chose who he will save and who will go to hell. Man has no choice to be saved by God in Mark's eyes. You know his doctrine.
His heart is turned to man made doctrine NOT the true word of God. All we can do is pray that before he leave this world, God opens his eyes to GOD's truth and Not Calvin's.
---miche3754 on 1/29/10

MarkV 1/28: Great point. As the other bloggers have indicated, God's plan of salvation works for those who accept it.
---jody on 1/29/10

Kathr #2, this is what you said,
"Rosalie, Yes, the New Birth we experience today was not available in the OT, however Salvation was"
You have people not born again entering the Kingdom of God. Because all who were saved entered the kingdom of God. Your answers are false.- Markv

That's exactly correct MarkV, no one entered the Kingdom of God in the OT. OT saints went to Abraham's bosom or Paradise.

When the veil was heaven...when Jesus died, only THEN was the way opened into Heaven. The veil that was rent was HIS FLESH.

MarkV, the more you talk the more I realize you do not know Scripture..the more I realize you may not really KNOW Christ.

---kathr4453 on 1/29/10

Miche, following Kathr is the same as following Eloy, the blind leading the blind. All leading to nothing. I won't be as you and Kathr and say "leading to hell," but leading to nothing. You might as well believe you can be born again two or three times, and that grace causes you everything which you do believe since you gave a big Amen to Kathr. I believe the reason Kathr and you do not change is because if you do admit you are wrong, you will have to humble and people will know you have been wrong all along. It is the same with the RCC. They will not admit wrong and will cover the Truth with a lie. The problem here is that you cannot cover the Truth from God.
---MarkV. on 1/29/10

Again MarkV, The Spirit of the LIFE of the RISEN Christ was NOT available in the OT.
What on earth do you think Romans 6-8 is all about anyway?

Jesus had not rose from the dead yet!!! OT saints were NEVER told...walk in the spirit so you won't walk in the flesh.

When I was Born Again I received the RISEN LIFE of the Spirit of Christ. 1st Corinthians also explain this. Adam was made a life giving soul, and CHRIST is a LIFE giving spirit.


Markv, don't you understand one thing about the Godpel?
---kathr4453 on 1/29/10

Kathr #2, this is what you said,
"Rosalie, Yes, the New Birth we experience today was not available in the OT, however Salvation was"
You have people not born again entering the Kingdom of God. Because all who were saved entered the kingdom of God. Your answers are false.- Markv

No, Kath is speaking TRUTH. They did have the promise of salvation by believing God's promise to send Christ.
Why else do you think Jesus went to minister to those in hell for 3 days?
Do you think he went for a sabbatical?
you can't be born again without believing(having faith) first.
First comes Faith, THEN being born again. Not born again first to believe, Markv. That part of your doctrine is so false.
---miche3754 on 1/29/10

Kathr #2, this is what you said,
"Rosalie, Yes, the New Birth we experience today was not available in the OT, however Salvation was"
You have people not born again entering the Kingdom of God. Because all who were saved entered the kingdom of God. Your answers are false.
"Jesus answered, Most assurely, I say to you, unless one is born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, you must be born again."
Please, do not answer because you will find some way of twisting the Words of Jesus as you did with Grace and other topics.
---MarkV. on 1/29/10

Every man will know when he has been born again. There is no guessing or doubts. All things will become new, you will have a new mind, the old ways you will remember no more. HE will CHANGE your mind in an instant of time. You will NEVER forget the event.
---duane on 1/29/10

No one knows the moment they are born of the Spirit. Not one person but God. So please, before you call bad good and good bad, you need to study to be approve, to show why you believe in what you believe in.
---MarkV. on 1/28/10

MarkV You are totally wrong here. I know the EXACT moment I was Born Again!

ALSO, Regeneration is used 2 times in scripture Markv.

Matthew says one must FOLLOW Jesus in the regeneration.

Therefore it is not some magic want God waves over people without them knowing it!!!

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration -----.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/10

Kathr, you need to know the difference between been brought to life by the Holy Spirit which is called regeneration or rebirth, and been sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. It seems you do a lot of talk and have no clue what it is you are talking about. In the process you twist the text to your liking. No one knows the moment they are born of the Spirit. Not one person but God. So please, before you call bad good and good bad, you need to study to be approve, to show why you believe in what you believe in.
---MarkV. on 1/28/10

Besides John 3:16 Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:6 For while we were helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 8:32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Romans 10:13 for "FOR WHOEVER WILL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." Jesus died for my sins and when I accepted Him as my Savior He redeemed me. If I had rejected Him I would have died in my sins. Its a choice everyone has when they reach the age of accountability and hear the message of salvation.
---Bob on 1/28/10

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Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Rosalie, question. Do you believe God's word on this? Or do you believe someone's experience that contradicts God's Word?

MarkV along with Eloy ( who says he's been born again 3 times) are actually giving you their experience and or man's doctrine. Faith is believing God, not our experiences or man's theology.

WE MUST measure ourselves by His Word. We must bring our experience into accordance with GOD's Word, not the other way around.

To do anything else is to call God a LIAR!
---kathr4453 on 1/28/10

Rosalie, Yes, the New Birth we experience today was not available in the OT, however Salvation was. The foundation of God's plan of salvation begins in Genesis. That PLAN has never changed. However the dispensation we live today gives us the Holy Spirit because TODAY we live in and age where Jesus rose from the dead. OT believers were SAVED and when they died went to Abraham's bosom. When Christ rose, He took them to heaven with him. Today, when we receive Jesus Christ through FAITH in HIM, as did the OT believers, WE have received the promise of the SPIRIT where as they died without receiving that Promise as Hebrews 11 ends. Yet even though they died before the promise of the Holy Spirit, they were still SAVED.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/10

Rosalie, many believers have no understanding in the new birth. They want to be reborn after they confess Christ. They don't see rebirth happening so they invent idea's.
The New Birth is solely the work of God the Spirit and man has no saying or work in it. This is the very nature of the case. Birth altogether excludes the idea of any effort of work on the part of the one who is born. Personally we have no more to do with our spiritual birth than we have with our natural birth. The new birth is a spiritual resurrection,<>"a passing from death unto life" John 5:24) and clearly, resurrection is altogether outside of man's province. No corpse can re-animate itself. They will twist every word in Scripture to make a case for man.
---MarkV. on 1/28/10

It is God's free Gift to us. but if we don't accept it by believing in the death, burial and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ, then it doesn't do us any good.

here is an example, a poor one, but an example,
if i lay a $100.00 bill on the table and say that it is yours, i have given it to you, but if you don't take it and receive it and use it, it doesn't do you any good.
yes, it is God's free gift to all of mankind, but first we have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of His One and Only Begotten Son, Jesus the Christ.
---Tommy on 1/28/10

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Mima, WHENEVER ANY SINNER REJECTS CHRIST, his death for them is nothing, for they will remain in their sins and will go down to their own place apart from Christ. This is worth repeating: Say No to Christ, and Christ will say No to you. period: but say Yes to Christ, and you will see what great Yes he will have for you.
---Eloy on 1/28/10

Rosalie ... Do you really think that saying "Yes please" and "Thank you" are works?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/27/10

"Lifting up Christ/Calvary is not lifting up that Jesus died for a select secret few. It's lifting up Christ to ALL SINNERS! John 3:14-17
---kathr4453 on 1/27/10"

Here is a teaching worth repeating.
---mima on 1/27/10

Salvation is not base on ACCEPTANCE. If we say accept that is work. It is by Grace? Do you understand the meaning of GRACE? Unmerited Favor - but it is God's choice.
---rosalie on 12/19/09

rosalie, Salvation is RECEIVING Jesus Christ or ACCEPT Him, in the same reference. To as many as RECEIVE Him....John 1

We're saved by GRACE..Definition: Christ's finished work the cross through faith...not through unmerited favor.

The same sun that softens wax hardens clay.

God hardened Cain's heart AFTER Cain rejected the only way to salvation...a blood sacrifice. God even gave Cain a second chance to be in His Favor. God did not pick and chose between Cain and Abel.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/10

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Genesis 4:3-5 NIV

3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

So, according to SCRIPTURES definition of FAVOR, it is not God playing spin the bottle with your soul!

If Grace means spin the bottle, then WHY do you need faith? You are NOT saved by unmerited favor through faith. There are no such words in scripture!
---kathr4453 on 1/27/10

Mima, Christ offers the new life to every person, but not every person wants this, and those whom reject Christ in front of men Christ will reject in front of the angels of God: for sin cannot enter into heaven.
---Eloy on 1/27/10

NO! Jesus suffered: 1. It was necessary for His identification with humanity. The perfect Son of God has become His people's perfect Savior, opening up their way to God, and in order to become that, He must endure suffering and death. 2. To destroy the power and fear of death. Through His resurrection from death, Christ broke the hold which Satan possessed over man. 3. So that He might become an intercessory High Priest for His brothers. Note: He does not merely make atonement [a covering] for our sins. He satisfactorily and actually takes sin away. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 1/27/10

Not only did Jesus die for EVERY MAN, but He died once and FOR ALL, and He died not only for our sin (those saved) BUT ALSO for the sin of THE WHOLE world. We KNOW by this statement that there are TWO groups John is referring to. There would be no reason for the Holy Spirit to be redundant here!

However having LIFE from the dead in Christ is altogether a different matter. Because He died for ALL, anyone who comes to Him by faith will receive LIFE...ETERNAL LIFE!

Oh my friends THIS IS THE GOOD NEWS of reconciliation we bring to the lost!!!

Lifting up Christ/Calvary is not lifting up that Jesus died for a select secret few. It's lifting up Christ to ALL SINNERS! John 3:14-17
---kathr4453 on 1/27/10

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Eloy, you do a lot holy talk but your answers do not come from Scripture. No one is born again twice. No one is sinless. No one is righteous by nature. No one is good without Christ for all good things come from above and anything good anyone does without faith is sin, since what they do, they do without honoring God from which all good things come from.
You need to start all over again, but this time you have to humble and except the fact that you are not the light that Jesus saw on the cross. As long as you believe you are, you will always be wrong. It does not take a scientist to see your error. You do think you are god. Jim Jones thought he was god and look at the results.
---MarkV. on 1/27/10

Markv, your answer shows that you are far from the kingdom of God.
---Eloy on 1/27/10

To as many ,as received him .2 them he gave the power to become the sons of God.So no man will be without excuse.The word says how should we escape if we neglect such a great salvation.He suffered bored our sickness our grief & died 4 all of us.
---gina on 1/26/10

You know, I hear some say you must depart from sin.
For the lord said be ye holy for I am holy.

Then I look at the way the lord walked.
How he took the sin of the world on to himself.

But more than anything, I think of the withered fig tree, and the words said there.
ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree,

Is it a good thing, to wither a fig tree? Maybe, some trees need to be trimmed!
Some cut!

But also if ye shall say unto this mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done.

Sometimes the hardest thing to see is right in front.
God Bless!
---TheSeg on 12/23/09

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Eloy, my anwer was to show you that you will always sin while you are in this world. The very reason the law could not save you, and that only through the works of Christ on the Cross can you be counted one of His, for He is the apropiation for our sins. The very reason we need Christ now that we are saved. If you feel, that you are sinless now, then you are not one of those whom Christ has paid for their sins by His works and you are trying to enter heaven by your own works of righteousness.
You cannot be born again twice. No such thing in Scripture. You might think you are special and God made a different pact with you, but that is wishful thinking. His Word is clear. I am not trying to find fault in you, just making the Truth clear,
---Mark_V. on 12/23/09

No, I think Christ tasted death for every child that belongs to Him, by being born again of the Holy Spirit. We are the righteousness of God in Christ. 2 Cor. 5:21
---Tony on 12/22/09

Yes, even those who will not receive Him. However, it is up to them to accept what He did for them.
---amand6348 on 12/22/09

Mima please read scripture in context and you will see the answer.
---willow on 12/21/09

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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit!

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again!

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen, and ye receive not our witness.

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Been born-again twice? No not twice!
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever!

Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
---TheSeg on 12/21/09

MarkV, you continue to speak falsely, and look for guilt where there is none. Indeed, it is history that I have miraculously been born-again twice, but this is all for God's glory, and none to his shame nor to my shame: "And we know that to those who love God, all things work together for good, to them who according to purpose are called. For says the Scripture, Everyone that believes on him will not be under shame. And he is able above all things to do exceedingly above what we ask or think, according to the power which works in us, praise to him in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen." Romans 8:28+ 10:11+ Ephesians 3:20,21.
---Eloy on 12/21/09

calhoon, you speak falsehood: "Little children, let no person deceive you: whoever that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in that one and that one cannot sin, becasue that one is born of God." I John 3:7,9.
---Eloy on 12/20/09

Eloy, you told us once that you were saved twice or in fact three times. Lets take twice for now. If you were saved once, and you rebelled by sinning, you then admit that while saved you sinned. Now you come along and tell us that because you were on your death bed and God healed you, you were saved again. Meaning you must have lost salvation because of sin or else you would not need to be saved again. Right? What makes you think that now that you are saved is different then when you were saved before? How many times do you have to be saved in order to be saved? What must you do to gain your salvation?
And please, condemning me is avoiding the questions.
---MarkV. on 12/20/09

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Salvation is not base on ACCEPTANCE. If we say accept that is work. It is by Grace? Do you understand the meaning of GRACE? Unmerited Favor - but it is God's choice. Meaning God chose whom he wants to SAVE. Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

our nature is sinner, we don't want our made personal choice for God. We are God's enemy. Unless God gave us a heart. Jer 31:33, Eze 36:25-26. we should not trust acceptance. Do you think all those who accept inside the churches go to heaven? God who knows.
---rosalie on 12/19/09

You cannot make yourself good. You will always serve sin, thats who you are, a sinner by nature. If you serve Christ, then He will make you sinless, you will have a new nature. You wont serve sin because He dwells in you. You love Him because He loved you first.
You have it all backwards, its us going to Christ first, then we have turned from sin. Its NOT us turning from sin first then Christ will love us. Thats wrong thinking. Christ died for us/loved us, long before we knew Him.
---calhoon on 12/19/09

Rosalie, that was only the second time I have read your post and I am happy you understand who saved you. When anyone mentions the election of God, you will hear someone trying to correct you all the time. Here are the first two things I learn concerning election.
1. Only those who claim to be saved argue against the election of God. The lost could care less about the subject.
2. Only those who claim to be saved want to make sure they get the credit for their salvation. They refuse to accept the fact that if God had not change their hearts, given them faith, granted them repentance, they would still be lost.
Thanks for your post Rosalie, only those whom God has chosen from the foundation of the world will be saved, He knows His own.
---MarkV. on 12/19/09

It is clear even on this blog that some choose to serve sin rather than to serve Christ, therefore Christ's salvation is rejected by those whom prefer sin instead of Jesus. You cannot serve two Masters: if you want Jesus and his holiness then you must abandon sin, and if you want sin and his unholiness then you muist abandon Jesus. That is why Jesus made a heaven and also he made a hell: choose this day whom you will serve, for you cannot have both: "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree rotten and its fruiit rotten: for from the fruit the tree is known." Matthew 12:33
---Eloy on 12/18/09

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Yes Rosale that verse if only for those who have accepted JESUS.

This verse is for everyone.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

JESUS died for everyone but not everyone will be saved. But everyone can be saved.

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
---Samuel on 12/18/09

And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings:

yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Is it really so unbelievable hard to understand, that god can love you before you love him?
---TheSeg on 12/18/09

Note this verse exclusively addressed to the Elect only which means Christ Died for them and no one can separate to them to Christ. THE WORD ELECT IS PRESENT CLEARLY.

Romans 8:33-34 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
---ROSALIE on 12/18/09

Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee.

There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

Thou hast rightly judged.

Who told thee that thou wast naked?
---TheSeg on 12/18/09

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1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

world (english) = kosmos (greek)

Which is where we get our word "cosmos" from. I think everyone knows what cosmos means.

Time for the bad translation defense, which means God is incapable of suppling us with a reliable Word by his power. Mkay right

By the way its the same word used in Matt 13:38 where Christ said:

The field is the world (kosmos), the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one.
---JackB on 12/18/09

P.S. To prior post. I should add to those who willfully reject that payment, those who refuse to acknowledge and confess His sacrifice as payment in full.
"For if we sin (miss the mark of our calling) willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." Hbr 10:26
---josef on 12/18/09

No For only those whom ELECTED or CHOSEN by God. Jesus died for them only

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

---ROSALIE on 12/17/09

"Does this mean that Jesus died for even those who will not receive him?"
Yes. "For every man."
"By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men,..Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon 'all' men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon 'all' men unto justification of life.
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Who gave himself a ransom for 'all', to be testified in due time."
Rom 5:12>Rom 5:18>Jhn 1:29>1Ti 2:6
The only man that will not be redeemed by His payment is the man who has heard the truth of that payment and willfully rejects it.
---josef on 12/17/09

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In the mouth of two or three witnesses let the truth be established. Jesus,John6:53-58,Peter,Acts2:22-39Paul,Romans3:20-26Jesu ,Peter,and Paul read you're bible.
---George on 12/17/09

While we were YET sinners HE died for us...ALL have sinned and come short.

That should answer ALL questions.
---duane on 12/17/09

Of course,we should all be sure.

not to think of men above that which is written,that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

So then it is not of him that willeth,nor of him that runneth,but of God that sheweth mercy.

For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh,Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up,that I might shew my power in thee,and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

God blessed you!
---TheSeg on 12/17/09

JESUS died for everyone. But not everyone will accept the offer. The HOLY SPIRIT convicts of sin. We must choose to listen or reject.
---Samuel on 12/17/09

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JackB, NO, again I say, the blood was shed for a man who repented and now confessed Christ 3 times. Next question from the nonChristian...
---Eloy on 12/17/09

Jody, God has already drawn all men up to him by the fact that he was lifted up. "And you all will seek me and find me, when you all will search for me with all your heart. To seek God, whom if perhaps they might feel after him and find, although indeed being not far from each one of us. For whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how will they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how will they hear without a preacher? But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord who has believed our report? Therefore faith from hearing, and the hearing through a word of God." Jeremiah 29:13+ Acts 17:27+ Romans 10:13,14,16,17.
---Eloy on 12/17/09

Jack B, that was a great point you gave. And you used few words. Very good example
---MarkV. on 12/16/09

SO the blood was shed for a man who denied Christ 3 times.

Thank you
---JackB on 12/16/09

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Yes, Jesus' works are for all of mankind. The question remains, however, regarding mans free will to accept what He did by faith. Not all recieve His free gift and therefore remained unsaved. In-fact, not all were created for salvation but some are created for perdition. WE may not like it but that is what the Bible says. Mima is correct in that it is God who draws and that a person doesn't find God but it is God who finds man. We love Him bc He first loved us.
---jody on 12/16/09

JackB,Peter Repented thrice: "So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus says to Simon Peter, Simon of Jonas, love you me more than these? He confesses to him, Yea, Lord: you know that I love you. He says to him, Feed my lambs. He says to him again the 2nd time, Simon of Jonas, love you me? He confesses to him, Yea, Lord: you know that I love you. He says to him, Feed my sheep. He says to him the 3rd time, Simon of Jonas, love you me? Peter was grieved because he said to him the 3rd time, Love you me? And he confessed to him, Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you. Jesus says to him, Feed my sheep." John 21:15-17. Thus, JackB, he is in heaven.
---Eloy on 12/16/09

Mat 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

Is Peter in hell, Eloy?
---JackB on 12/16/09

No, only for every repentant person: but the hard-hearted and stiff-necked reject him and therefore Jesus prophesies that because they reject him, he also will reject them in front the Father and the holy angels, that would be the very worse place to be on Judgment Day, for it would have been better for Sodom and Amorrah than for that soul.
---Eloy on 12/14/09

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Mima, It's not really that complicated!
Adam made a choice that resulted in all humans from then on having the curse of death on them thru no fault of their own.
Jesus cancelled out that curse by His own death, so that now any individual can make his/her own choice.
The rules are different IE Adam failed to obey the rule of not eating the forbidden fruit,
Our rule is the acceptance of Christ and His sacrifice, and our personal Saviour!
"Not" choosing is the same as a negative Choice!
---1st_cliff on 12/14/09

I believe Christ died for every human from start to finish and that means all people are forgiven. All mankind must now do, is to believe it. Saved by grace through faith.

While we were yet sinners HE died for us.
---duane on 12/14/09

Mima, you are making a whole theology on the word "Whosoever" Whosoever means just that, anyone who believes in Christ, and those only. It does not mean prior payment. If that was the case, the Bible would have been clear is saying, " Christ paid for the sins of everyone" when it says," Christ paid for the sins of mankind," it means to all kinds of people, Jews, Gentiles.
What you are having trouble with, is passages that seem to imply something but really imply something else. The passages that are explicit take presidence over the implicit one. So when you think you have an implicit statement correct, check it with an explicit one, if it does not reconcile, you have the implicit wrong.
---MarkV. on 12/14/09

--- Mima :

//// Does this mean that Jesus died for even those who will not receive him? ///

Brother, Reading into Heb.2:10, you'll see that Jesus died "to make the captain(Himself) of THEIR Salvation Perfect through sufferings."

"Their" referring to 'All who receive Him'.

Mima, Jesus tasted death for every man, even for those who will not receive Him, but He died for the Perfecting of Salvation for those who would receive Him !!
---ShawnM.T. on 12/14/09

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Jesus died that all "could" be forgiven of their sins,but that doesn't mean all will come to God to be forgiven. One must believe in Jesus,that he is God's son,that he died for our sin,was buried,rose again,lives and sits at the right hand of God. John 8:24 (Jesus speaking) I said therefore to you,that ye shall die in your sins:for if you believe not that I am he,you shall die in your sins. John20:31-that you might believe Jesus is the Christ,the son of God,and that believing you might have life through his name. Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jeus Christ and you will be saved,and your house. I deduce from the Bible,only those who come to God through Jesus will be saved.
---Darlene_1 on 12/14/09

the bible says that christ died for all,the thing we must remember is not all will accept jesus.the gift of salvation given bt God is a FREE WILL CHOICE all must make,christ has made salvation availiable to everyone,but some will choose to reject him
---tom2 on 12/14/09

---MarkV I disagree with your answer. Because your answer puts the burden of coming to the Lord Jesus Christ on mankind yet the Bible says that it is the father who draws mankind to Christ. You know the greatest remorse of all is that which might have been.
If Christ did not die for all mankind, every man that is, then the Bible is wrong when it says, WHOSOEVER will!! To use the term whosoever demandS prior payment. For if prior payment was not made then must Christ be crucified again.
---mima on 12/14/09

Hi Mima
I beleive you know the answer to this question
But it reminded me of Romans5,6-10
It says Jesus died for the ungodly, sinners and his enemies.
Because of His unconditional love
Part of the reason that people have trouble recieving the Holy Spirit which is receiving Him (see John13,20 John15,26) because they have difficulty recognising that they are sinners, ungodly and the enemies of Christ (Romans8,7-9)and need righteousness, Justification and abundance of Grace (Romans5:15-18) Which is the Promise of the Father (Acts1,4) The Gift of the Holy spirit (Acts2:33) and the Spirit of grace (Zech.12,10)
---Rodney on 12/14/09

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Mima, while Bill's answer sounds like what everyone would say concerning God's love, it cannot be that Christ died for everyone. If He did, then all who are lost would not be considered lost, because Christ has paid for their sins. What Bill should have said was that Jesus death is sufficient to save everyone if they believed, but since we know many don't, Jesus could not have died for them.
The passage refers to, "Everyone who believe, that is, the death of Christ can only be applied in its efficacy to those who come to God repentantly in faith, asking for forgiveness of sins (2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Tim.2:6, Titus 2:11).
---MarkV. on 12/14/09

jesus took upon himself all the sin ,past present,furture,died,and rose again,defeating sin and death,and satan,and making availiable to every human being the opportunity to free will choose to believe.This gift is for everyone,but not all will accept.
---tom2 on 12/14/09

Christ died FOR ALL.

ALL can be saved.

Alas, it does not follow that all WILL be saved.

At least two--the Antichrist and False Prophet--have the dubious distinction of being cast into the lake of fire while still alive.
---Cluny on 12/13/09

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