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Proof Of Noah's Ark

I have seen many videos on youtube that refute the flood, and Noah's ark. They say that the size of the ark is inconsistent with how many species of animals live on the face of the Earth. What kind of proof can you provide that supports the flood and/or Noah's ark?

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Jerry, God who knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10) surely gave Colossians 2:8 as advice for those who will not trust Him- "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ."

Who is Christ? God the Son, Creator, the way, the truth, and the life, who was there and does not lie-the only perfect witness.

Some here, to their eternal peril, reject or distort His word if human opinion disagrees with it.

They do indeed consider "we are just uneducated fools..." However I am pleased to be considered one of the "fools for Christ"-1 Corinthians 4:10.
---Warwick on 12/25/09


Shawn you seem to have modified what you previously said. You seemed to be promoting blind faith which isn't Scriptural. We are children of faith, faith based in reality. Via miracles and healings done in 'real time' God shows His reality, and as Jesus says-John 3:12 how can we believe Him about heavenly things if we do not believe Him about earthly things? He believed in Genesis creation, Noah's flood...often quoting from the OT-always as historical reality. I feel confident to promote all Scripture as living history.

Acts 17:16 Paul preached Christ to Athenians: as The God who made the world...all mankind from one man...determined where they would live etc-facts aimed at leading them to understand the reality of The God.
---Warwick on 12/25/09


Mark I agreee. Our eloquence will convince or save no one. However in my ministry I constantly meet people who will not consider taking God seriously as they have been indoctrinated into believing the Bible is not the Truth. Evolutionary indoctrination is one of the tools Satan uses to keep people blinded. I believe 2 Corinthians 4:4 is relevant to this: "...the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,....should shine unto them.

I have met many who are full of doubts and questions and have seen them eventually become Christians after their doubts and questioins were answered, and the light shone into them. See 2 Corinthians 10:4, and 2 Peter 3:15
---Warwick on 12/25/09


To the scientists, I became as a scientist, so that I may win some scientist's.
---JoelV. on 12/25/09


--- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, Then share with the nonbelievers(atheist) your manifested 'Works of Faith' by the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen !!

Let them know that it's through our Works of Faith that we receive & accept that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear : and hence Understand that the proof & evidence of the worlds being framed by the Word of God & Noah's Ark being capable of carrying two of every sort of animal, just as God had spoken it in Gen.6, is b/c God's Word shall not return to Him Void but it shall accomplish that which He has pleased, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto God has sent it.
---Shawn.M.T. on 12/25/09




Exactly Shawn!!! We need to have works to show our faith, and the credibility of God's word.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 says, "For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I may win the more, and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews, to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I may win those who are under the law, TO THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT THE LAW, as without the law(not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law, to the weak I became as weak, that I may win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker in it with you."
---JoelV. on 12/25/09


The basic meaning of 'species' is- 'a sort, kind, variety.' In biologic terminology, however, it applies to any group of interfertile animals or plants mutually possessing one or more distinctive characteristics. Thus, there could be many such species or varieties within a single division of the Genesis 'kinds'.

Noah could get all the necessary animals into the ark. The Bible does not say that he had to preserve alive every variety of the animals, rather- 'according to their kinds... two of each will go in there to you to preserve them alive.' (Ge 6:20, 7:14, 15)

God knew it was necessary to save only representative members of the different 'kinds', since they would reproduce in variety after the Flood.
---David8318 on 12/25/09


Warwick: "The whole of Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation speaks to the reality of God." What a profound statement! This theme should be reiterated every day on this blog. It constantly amazes me that people who claim at least some form of Christianity spend their time looking for ways to twist the clearest passages of scripture to fit the atheistic paradigm of modern academia, while adhering to that paradigm with an almost religious fervor. Oh, if they would but question the false science with which they are being indoctrinated, rather than blindly following some academic merely because of the string of letters after his name! I guess we are just uneducated fools - following after a simple carpenter and some fishermen.
---jerry6593 on 12/25/09


-- Warwick & JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brethren, Paul & Barnabas were empowered to show the people God's Powerful Word by manifesting that Good, Acceptable & Perfect Will of God through THEIR 'Faith', and the reality of their Works of Faith was the proof & evidence needed to be seen : Not the attempt to manifest miracles God has already purpose for something else i.e Noah's Ark !!

Faith is dead if it has not Works to display & show to others the Truth of God's Word.

As we spread the gospel and speak of the real events of Noah's Works of Faith, the Truth of God's Word is shown to the world of nonbelievers(atheist) by the evidence of our Works of Faith through the Love of God which nothing can separate us from in Christ.
---ShawnM.T. on 12/25/09


Joel, from 12/24/09, you said you needed proof so that you can make others believe what you are saying. Let me say you cannot make anyone believe anything. Faith in the Truth only comes from God. You can show them what you learned, you can teach them, but you cannot give them faith. I like to learn as much as I can on all subjects, then when I discuss it with someone, it is great. I want to make sure that what I learn is truth, because God will use the Truth to bring someone to faith. His word will bring faith. If I speak things not truth, then nothing will happen. But I can speak the truth for years to someone, but without faith he will never believe it. Shawn is correct about faith.
---MarkV. on 12/25/09




Shawn it is by faith we are saved but it is faith in reality. In Acts 14 Paul and Barnabus were empowered by the Lord to do 'miraculous signs and wonders.' If not to show people the reality of the power of God then what was this (and many other demonstrations) for?

The whole of Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation speaks to the reality of God. Where did we come from? From God our creator. It speaks constantly of real places, real people and real events, in real time. It tells us Jesus created wine at the wedding. Why? So people could get drunker, or to show the awesome power of God, and to show who Jesus was, the Creator?
Don't be afraid of reality or you risk promoting a gospel removed from the real world.
---Warwick on 12/25/09


Joel I did not have you in mind when I wrote.

If you want physical evidence to support the world-wide flood/Noah's Ark get the book Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study' by the scientist and committed Christian, John Woodmorappe.
---Warwick on 12/24/09


-- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, Belief unto Faith comes by the Drawing Spirit of God's Word, not by the showing of tangible evidence !!

Your desire to present evidence of the substance of God's Word to those who do not believe in God, is Hopeless unless you display to them 'Faith' .... and by you personally not displaying your Faith in God's Word, your undermining the very thing you're trying to share with them : the Word of God.

JoelV, As I stated in my first post on 12/15/09 : Faith is Believing despite the absence of proof, b/c Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

We walk by Hopes of Faith & not by sight b/c Hope which is seen is not the Hope by which we're Saved !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 12/24/09


Shawn M.T.,

To say that you would believe in the bible, but then some one comes along and shows you evidence, showing you that the story is not feasable, i.e. Noah's ark, is the same thing as a scientist saying that there is life on Mars, but another, less popular, scientist comes along and presents evidence that there is none. It is one thing to have faith, but it is another thing to be able to show evidence that the event had actually occured, and that the ark could hold different sorts of animals.
---JoelV. on 12/24/09


Trav: "Whats gonna b ur [sic] excuse."

I'm going with what Jesus said. If He lied (and I don't believe that is possible), then I'll put it back on Him. On the other hand, if you are lying, then YOU have a problem - not Jesus or me.
---jerry6593 on 12/24/09


Who, christians like me, Warwick?

I'm only trying to get physical evidence that the flood was feasable, so that when an atheist comes to me and says that the flood was not possible to pull off, I can show them evidence to refute their argument, so that they may believe.
---JoelV. on 12/24/09


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Warwick ... Surely the ark must have contained the insects? If it did not, how did they survive? And, say the lowly earthworm? That also must have been there ... as someone else has said here, the pressure of all that water would have squashed and killed them all. Presumably there were penguins as well, and ostriches, since they can't fly? And hippos, since although they like the water, they could not survive by swimming. And crocs, too.
They must all have got on
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/24/09


-- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, You've asked to be shown "What makes the Ark of Noah feasible to carry two of every sort of animal & Where is that revealed by scriptures" ??

TWO OF EVERY SORT SHALT THOU BRING INTO THE ARK(Gen.6:17-20). This is proof enough as evidence for God's Children b/c of Isaiah 55:11, that Noah's Ark was 'Feasible' to accomplish what God's Will was pleased to speak in Gen.6.

JoelV, You may know God's Word, but as those who shall be destroyed for lack of knowledge, you don't Believe them by Faith. You believe only what you understand and whenever you lack the Understanding to explain, you cannot accept God's Word hasn't return to Him Void : b/c to Believe this takes 'Faith' !!
---Shawn.M.T on 12/24/09


Good point Donna.

Some here seem far more trusting of man's falible, changing opinions rather than God's word. God does not lie, and He was there. But they reject what He says.

Quite often they quote information which I know comes from sites which ridicule God and His word. Sites which aim to undermine the Christian faith. Nonetheless they claim to be Christian! Over time my dealings with some have shown they believe precious little of God's word. It makes me suspicious that they are plants, here only to undermine the truth of God's word. Wolves in the fold. I notice Jerry is also aware of this.
---Warwick on 12/23/09


Trav, it's all about scale. Paraphrasing Scripture to conform to your interpretation God said "....Never again will some life be cut off by the waters of a flood, never again will a flood destroy a locality."

However the 1931 Central China flood killed 4 million people. But you say God promised-no more local floods! Your God lied!

Please show from Genesis ch.'s 6-8. or elsewhere where Scripture uses the word 'local' to describe the flood.

God brought the creatures to the ark to be saved for future breeding stock. He could have taken them elsewhere, to safety. In reality if the animals of one locality perished then the area would be repopulated from without.
---Warwick on 12/23/09


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Trav, you are confused as you mix what the Bible says with the urban myth version!

You wrote "Insects of 15,000 Different variety's we know would have to be included..." Please show me from Scripture where God said insects needed to go on the ark?

You say there are around 3 million different kinds of creatures on the earth. You confuse species and kinds. The number of kinds is estimated to be in the low thousands. For example God did not have to take Great Dane, Kelpie, Dalmation, etc but 2 representatives of the original dog 'kind.'

Words have different meanings depending upon context. In Genesis ch.'s 6-8 'arets' means the whole earth. Otherwise the whole story, and the rest of Scripture is meaningless.
---Warwick on 12/23/09


Trav are you saying the mountains of Ararat were in a dam, surrounded by a complete ring of higher mountains which stopped the flood dissipating? Scripture says the ark came to rest on these peaks months before any other mountain peak appeared from under the waters. How then could the flood waters not flow away over the other, obviously much lower, mountains?

With a globbal flood we would expect to see deep sediments, containing countless dead organisms, laid down under flowing water. That is exactly what we do see on the face of the earth.

The dates for the civilizations you keep mentioning are based upon untestable assumptions. Therefore, just guesses. And these dates keep changing as new evidence contradicts old.
---Warwick on 12/23/09


Trav, the earths inhabitants were not living in a dam. The waters rose, and remained 15 cubits above all the high mountains until the 7th month. ---Warwick on 12/22/09

Wow, the mountains should be a clue for you. Does a bowl have sides? Get map. Visualize bowl of event. Tarim Basin, being surrounded by some of the highest mountain ranges on all sides, forms a gigantic basin in the earth's surface. Area measures a thousand miles long and 350 mile wide.

Gen9:3 The water receded steadily from the earth.
There are sediments laid. Yours is not found globally. Civilizations march through the period. More Scripturally,important it is written "Erets" land,country or area.
---Trav on 12/23/09


The bible. That's proof enough for me. That's why we're called BELIEVERS.

We believe in the supernatural power of God. We believe God told Noah to build an ark. By the way, did God tell Noah WHY to build the ark? I've got to go to Genesis and read this story over again.

The bible is all we need as proof - thus we are called BELIEVERS.
---Donna on 12/23/09


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OK Shawn M.T.,

Then show me where in scriptures the ark was feasable. The flood was feasable, but having two of every "sort" of animal on the ark (or box, which was an Egyptian translation of ark), was not feasable. There would not have been enough space for all the animals, birds, and food on the ark. And it was a world flood b/c God said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."(Genisis 6:7)

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge," (Hosea 4:6).
---JoelV. on 12/23/09


1. You make God a liar as local floods are common.

2. Please give one line of Scripture which says the flood was local.

3. Why did birds have to be taken on board?
---Warwick on 12/22/09

1. A liar? He never has Flooded the Erets to such a scale as Noah since. The promise was to Noah. Noah's and off spring, are covenanted. Like Israel, and theirs are and fulfilled.
2. I gave you over 1,700 scriptures. Search.
3. Most birds don't fly and fly and fly. They must rest/replenish. Some don't fly at all. Like christians some are dodo's,turkeys ostrich, flying is just not possible. Running is their reality.
---Trav on 12/23/09


Warwick: One has to wonder if we are indeed dealing with Christians here. Jesus verified the universal flood of Noah. Isn't His word good enough for them?
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09

One might wonder Jerry. Some might wonder, why a so called christians explain/understand/defend so poorly what they believe.
Saul/Pauls passion was passionate, right or wrong. GOD reveals truth to the passionate.
Revelation 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Warwick errs in understanding, but he is passionate. He might reflect or compare witnesses sometime. Whats gonna b ur excuse.
---Trav on 12/23/09


Trav ... Genesis 7:2 talks of 'kinds' of animals, as opposed to the species. No fish or insects.
---Warwick on 12/23/09

Estimate is that there are at least three million Different/KINDS of animals on earth. Add 30 Arks,food for animals, and seven clean animals.br>
Entire Earth/Globe flood would kill with water pressure rot....all plant life. Plants/trees are necessary on boat are for Whole Earthers.
Insects of 15,000 Different variety's we know would have to be included in whole earth scenerio.
But, the interesting thing noted here is, "erets" does not say "whole" Global Earth. Over 1,700 times it says Land, Country or Area. To searchers of Truth.
---Trav on 12/23/09


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Warwick: One has to wonder if we are indeed dealing with Christians here. Jesus verified the universal flood of Noah. Isn't His word good enough for them?
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


Trav I cannot imagine "whole earthers," believe "that every animal species was on board" the ark. Being Bible-believers they would most certainly believe what the Bible says.

Genesis 7:2 talks of 'kinds' of animals, as opposed to the species you wrote about. For example consider the dog 'kind' which are also the one species as all can interbreed. This proves all dogs are descended from the original dog kind. Therefore God only had to bring one pair of dogs to the ark.

Only land dwelling animals had to be taken on board. No fish or insects.

BTW the variety of dogs, or any other creature, has nothing to do with microbe-to-man evolution. It is simply variation within a kind.
---Warwick on 12/23/09


--JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, What part of "Comparing Spiritual Things with Spiritual" didn't you Accept & /or Understand ??

You ask & receive not b/c you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lust to compare it with the world's secular knowledge which is the very thing you have yet to depart from in order to receive Understanding. Job 28:28

While you think entertaining it couldn't hurt, Eve thought the same when she entertained the devil's questions of speculation which is what secular knowledge is : speculation.

JoelV, There's no need to ask & say 'Please' b/c God's Children don't deal in speculation. His Word is proof enough as evidence for our Hopes of Faith that Noah's Ark was feasible !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 12/23/09


Shawn M.T.

It doesn't hurt to have some secular knowledge to compare with the scriptures, in fact, it could bring you to see how God works in the world. So some secular evidence to show that Noah's ark was feasable please!!!
---JoelV. on 12/22/09


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Trav, the earths inhabitants were not living in a dam. The waters rose, and remained 15 cubits above all the high mountains until the 7th month. You would have us believe these waters did not flow away over the mountains or through valleys?

For good reason you ignore God promising He would never again bring such a flood-Genesis 9:15. You make God a liar as local floods are common.

Please give one line of Scripture which says the flood was local.

The question remains-they had many decades so why did they not walk away. Ten km/day, 6 days per week is 3,120 km/year! Why did birds have to be taken on board? They could have simply flown away!
---Warwick on 12/22/09


Trav, we have covered this before and you are being deceitful. Please show me in Scripture where God says "that every animal species was on board," or where I have written this.

If you read Genesis you will see God created His creatures to reproduce after their own kind. This is not evolution which says one kind evolved into a totally different kind.

You wrote "So they remain babies the entire period they were collecting them?" Trav you demonstrate that you have little Biblical knowledge. A little reading would show you that the animals came to Noah.
---Warwick on 12/22/09


Carefully read Genesis ch. 7:14,15 which details the limited number of kinds of creatures Noah took on board.
---Warwick on 12/15/09

Well, whole earthers believe that every animal species was on board. Above you mention a limited number of kinds.
Now this theory makes whole earthers Darwinist....believing they evolved. When, none of this is necessary, by scripture translation....I've heard, it was all baby animals. So they remain babies the entire period they were collecting them? Alrighty then. Dinosaur eggs....ok then, how you like yours over easy?.
---Trav on 12/21/09


In Acts 2 Peter, ......
people were not asked to believe by blind-faith but were given reasons to believe. ..."brothers what shall we do?"'
---Warwick on 12/19/09
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge," (Hosea 4:6).
---JoelV. on 12/19/09

These two messages above are exactly the reason we should research and stand on facts.
Be it Noahs flood or the Marriage,Divorce and remarriage of GOD.

Yes, you/me,/thee/I and they may have to unlearn a little innocent/ignorant indoctrination from childhood.

"brothers what shall we do?" Re-search scripture like a Berean....to see if a matter is so.
---Trav on 12/21/09


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Trav ...
1. How could the waters rise 15 cubits over "all the high mountains" and not quickly disperse?

2. how then would God describe all the high mountains under all the entire heavens?

3. He knew it was coming and could have walked slowly away from this local area in a relatively short period of time. ---Warwick on 12/19/09

1. Go stand next to a dam during extreme flooding. It takes days to drain a resevoir.

2. 16+ variables of word "Whole" (entire). Heavens over the Whole "erets" (land,country,specific area).

3. Walk out of 400,000sq mile area...with any bad elements following? No, the people thought he was an idiot. He built,sailed, they partied.
---Trav on 12/21/09


Surely as God has filled Scripture with all kinds of facts and detail it is for a reason. That being to demonstrate that His word is absolute Truth. That this all actually, in history happened. otherwise what is the detail for.

He commands that we give answers when people ask the reason for the hope that we have-1 Peter 3:15
---Warwick on 12/21/09


again I say you think like men,God could put the earth in a phone booth if he wanted,all this talk about square footage is silly,when God is involved.
---tom2 on 12/20/09


-- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, You washed away b/c you're a man who is only able to remember his image when he beholds his natural face in a tangible glass and when it's gone, you straightway forget what manner of man you were.

When talking to your friends, your guidance came from the temporariness of man's tangible wisdom, not from God's Spirit which always keeps us in remembrance !!

JoelV, The 'Faith' I'm sharing is in Hearing God's Word & we move from Faith to Faith by being Doers of that Word. The world NEEDS this Wisdom, but all it WANTS to hear is its own tangible wisdom which isn't the substance of things Hoped for, nor the Evidence we're to provide of things not seen : that leads unto the Truth found through Faith.
---ShawnM.T. on 12/20/09


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-- JoelV a.k.a. Joel :

Brother, You'll eventually have to accept & Hopefully understand that the Knowledge Hosea is speaking of is the Understanding of God's Knowledgeable Word, which requires one principle thing, 'Wisdom' !!

These things we speak but not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches, comparing Spiritual things with Spiritual things.

The natural man's wisdom receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God b/c they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them b/c they are Spiritually Discerned.

JoelV, If you never wish to be destroyed for lack of God's Knowledgeable Word always remember : Fear of the LORD is Wisdom, and to depart from evil is Understanding. Job 28:28
---Shawn.M.T on 12/20/09


Shawn M.T.

I had to learn this the hard way. I had the faith that you talked about. I had the time to dwell in the Holy Spirit when my parents didn't allow me to go to church, and I didn't have christian friends to talk to. I lost. I didn't have guidance. I faltered for my lack of knowledge, I washed away.

In a world that needs proof, we must provide them with the evidence so God can show them what we believe is true.
---JoelV. on 12/19/09


Good point Joel. Some would have us believe without any reason!

This brings to mind chapter 13 of John. Paul was in Pisidian Antioch, in the synagogue and was given permission to speak. He did not stand up and simply say Jesus is saviour, so believe, but gave them information, the foundational knowledge upon which to make a decision of faith.

In Acts 2 Peter, speaking mostly to Jews put Jesus in Biblical context, teaching who He was and their need of salvation. Once again people were not asked to believe by blind-faith but were given reasons to believe. Hearing what Peter had to say they 'were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles "brothers what shall we do?"'
---Warwick on 12/19/09


"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge," (Hosea 4:6).
---JoelV. on 12/19/09


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-- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, Blind faith is when you put your trust in man, over God's Word !!

The Hearing of God's Word from His Drawing Spirit is all the structure you'll every need for your Faith. So, When the Spirit of Truth is come, He will Guide you into all Truth .... and this is where our Hopes of Faith come from to receive the Seal of God's indwelling Holy Ghost unto Life Eternal through His Grace in Christ Jesus.

Now, The Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send, shall Teach you all things, and bring all things of God's Word to your Remembrance.

JoelV, Never put your hopes in the blind faith of trusting men and their worldly speculation. It will only lead you astray from the Truth of God's Word !!
---ShawnM.T. on 12/19/09


A REAL Christian believes the words of Christ. Christ believed in the flood, Noah's ark and Jonah's "great fish." Are you a REAL Christian?
---jerry6593 on 12/19/09


Trav why would it have taken 30 Biblical sized arks to carry the necessary animals?

What animals had to be on board?
---Warwick on 12/19/09


Shawn M.T.,

So we should just go by blind faith?

We should not go throgh the world with just blind faith, because if you do, Non-believers can come to you with their "proof" and "facts" and they could easily sway those with blind faith, because they have nothing to structure theirselves in their faith, and they will eventually wash away.
---JoelV. on 12/18/09


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JoelV: "Besides, check out their argument and tell me that they don't sound pretty convincing."

Even Satan can convince you of a lie just like he did to Eve and how he tried to do to Jesus, everyone between and unto this day. Jesus knew what to say by quoting the Old Testament.

JoelV: "We need to see these things so that we are better equipped to be apologetics,..."

Christians are better equipped with only the word of God not worldly knowledge. The Holy spirit will give you the words needed at the time it's needed.
---Steveng on 12/18/09


Noah's ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. This proportion of length to width (6 to 1) is used by modern naval architects.

This gave the ark approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) in gross volume.

(96,000 sq ft) of space.
---David8318 on 12/16/09

And it would have taken over thirty Arks like this, to get all the animals (largest part extinct since then) and the food required for pairs of every animal on earth. Just one more reason it had to be a large 400,000 sq mi area flooded.
---Trav on 12/18/09


Uhhhh...

"They" are excavation teams.

And they excavate the bottom of lakes and sea beds to see the kind of life that exsists their, and they discovered houses and bricks of different building.
---JoelV. on 12/18/09


--- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, It may tingle your ears & sound pretty convincing but whenever you entertain speculation, you'll end-up like Eve : with a 'Great Fall' before you !!

JoelV, As Donna had said "Believe no man. Believe only God and His Word"
---Shawn.M.T on 12/18/09


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\\They have excavated deep into the Mediterranean Sea and have found the layer of The Flood.\\

Pastor Jim, how can you possibly excavate deep into ANY sea, much less the Mediterranean?

Or do you simply not know the meaning of words, esepcially "excavate"?

And who is the "they" that did so?
---Cluny on 12/18/09


"Believe no man. Believe only God and His Word, the bible."
---Donna on 12/17/

Great advice! Too bad all Christians don't think that way - they should.
---jerry6593 on 12/18/09


I wouldn't say that, youtube can be a place where you can find any kind of evidence you need.

Besides, check out their argument and tell me that they don't sound pretty convincing.

We need to see these things so that we are better equipped to be apologetics, or else they will tear your faith apart, with or without God, with or without faith. And that is the truth.
---JoelV. on 12/17/09


youtube? Now there's an authoritive source! I guess that trumps the Bible for some folks.
---jerry6593 on 12/17/09

LOL - jerry, thanks, I needed to laugh.

To Joel: You tube is NOT our sourse of life, it's not the truth of what's is truth. Jesus said, "Thy word is Truth." Jesus also said, "I am the way, THE TRUTH, etc.,"

Believe no man. Believe only God and His Word, the bible.
---Donna on 12/17/09


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youtube? Now there's an authoritive source! I guess that trumps the Bible for some folks.
---jerry6593 on 12/17/09


Steven, certainly we are to live by faith, but obviously not blind faith.

Consider 1 Peter 3:15 which admonishes us to be always ready to give anyone who asks the "reason for the hope that you have."

If you are correct why did various apostles give the historical foundation for what they were preaching. Why did they not simply say-just believe. No we are children of faith but as Romans 1:20 says the evidence for our Creator God is so strong that doubters are "without excuse."
---Warwick on 12/16/09


Warwick: "Steven read Romans 1:20 and tell me if God says we should ignore physical evidence."

One of the worse biblical developments, if not the worse, is the creation of verse numbers - a develoment no doubt created by Satan. When verses are taken out of context, the meaning can greatly change. The Bereans learned a lot more than just trying to find an answer to one question. How much would you learn if you had to search to whole bible for your specific question?

Christians are to live by faith. What do you suppose that means, Warwick? We are to take the bible at face value because all the truth is within its pages.
---Steveng on 12/16/09


the word ark means box in Egypt, or a "chest" or "coffin." So you wouldn't have to take into account of the bow, because it's a box.
---JoelV. on 12/16/09


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Noah's ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. Conservatively calculating the cubit as 44.5 cm (17.5 in) the ark measured 133.5 m by 22.3 m by 13.4 m (437 ft 6 in. x 72 ft 11 in. x 43 ft 9 in.), less than half the length of the ocean liner Queen Elizabeth 2.

This proportion of length to width (6 to 1) is used by modern naval architects.

This gave the ark approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) in gross volume. It is estimated that such a vessel would have a displacement nearly equal to that of the 269-m (883 ft) Titanic.

Internally strengthened by adding two floors, the three decks thus provided gave a total of about 8,900 sq m (96,000 sq ft) of space.
---David8318 on 12/16/09


I am a strong believer that God's word is the truth. The story of Noah's Ark is in the Bible, therefore it is true. We do not know if the animals were babies, teens, or adults. We also do not know how they were positioned in the Ark. And we also do not know exactly how many species of animals were on earth at that time. So, I have the same question for anyone that doubts the story of Noah's Ark. How can they prove that it is not a true story?

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---Rose_Mary on 12/15/09


thinking as men do,God could put the world in a phone booth if he wanted,size,or volumne is a physical perception to us,but surely does not limit God.
---tom2 on 12/15/09


-- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, Have you read Rom.1 and understood what it's revealing, before referring it to me ?? ... b/c it's stating that which may be known of God is manifested in us, for God hath shewed it unto us, through visions of Hopes.

The invisible things of God are clearly seen & understood through the things that are made by the Doers of God's Word : as Noah came into understanding through his preparation of the Ark when He made it.

JoelV, Everything in the Bible is the power of God unto Salvation to every one that believes & is a Doer and not just a Hearer only : For therein is the Righteousness of God 'Revealed' from Faith to Faith. As the Just shall Live by the Hopes of Faith.

Read Heb.11:6-7
---Shawn.M.T on 12/15/09


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Scientist have already discovered the flood. They have excavated deep into the Mediterranean Sea and have found the layer of The Flood. It has been preliminarily date 6-10,000 years. They are now trying to see if it was worldwide or just the Mediterranean area.

Also, guys God did not need Noah to collect "ALL" the animals, but to try. He can make His own animals. As with ALL OT Scripture it points to the future salvation and the New Earth/Heavens. (I.e. Exodus etc)
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/16/09


Anyone ever wonder why God destroyed the animals also in the flood (except for those in the Ark)?

Its not something Sunday School talks about
---JackB on 12/16/09


Joel you wrote How many "kinds" of animals were there on the face of the earth?"

As I trust the truth of God's word I am confident to answer: No more than could fit on the ark.

I trust you understand what I mean by kinds. Consider the dog kind, of which there is great variety but are all the one kind as they can interbreed. They are therefore also of the one species.

However if you read the book I mentioned the author, Woodmorappe, refers to Jones and Scherer estimating there were only about 2,000 animals on the ark-page 6,7. However Woodmorappe allows for more and shows how they could be accommodated and fed etc.
---Warwick on 12/15/09


Shawn M.T.

As Warwick had said, read Romans 1:20.
---JoelV. on 12/15/09


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Yes, God knows what is really true. I'm interested about ones looking for the ark in the mountains. After all, Noah and others could have used the wood of the ark to build and for firewood of sacrifices, etc., and the Bible does not say they didn't or that they did. So, even pieces might not be available. And I've been informed the animals were not necessarily adults, but could have been babies or a little older. "So . . . if you're going to prove something, you're going to need to know what is true that you're proving."
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/15/09


Steven read Romans 1:20 and tell me if God says we should ignore physical evidence.

Yes or no?
---Warwick on 12/15/09


How many "kinds" of animals were there on the face of the earth?
---JoelV. on 12/15/09


Cluny: "If the Bible is historically true, should it surprise us there might be physical traces of events described?"

Always looking for worldly evidence, eh?
---Steveng on 12/15/09


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If the Bible is historically true, should it surprise us there might be physical traces of events described?
---Cluny on 12/15/09


-- JoelV a.k.a Joel :

Brother, Scriptures is proof enough for God's Children of Noah's Ark & the Flood, b/c we walk by the Hopes of Faith & not by sight !!

Hope which is seen is not the Hope by which we're Saved, and when we Hope for that which we see not, do we with patience wait for it.

It was by Faith Noah being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an Ark to the Saving of his house and became Heir of the righteousness which is by Faith, and it's through Faith that we Understand.

JoelV, Never forget : Faith is Believing despite the absence of proof, b/c Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report.
---ShawnM.T. on 12/15/09


Joel you may like to get a copy of 'Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study,' by the scientist John Woodmorappe. It covers all the issues surrounding the ark, in detail. It is easy to read.

There is little room to cover the issues here but the storage capacity of the ark was more than enough to hold the kinds (not species) of creatures which God commanded be taken on board.

Carefully read Genesis ch. 7:14,15 which details the limited number of kinds of creatures Noah took on board.
---Warwick on 12/15/09


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