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Third Temple Sacrifices

Will animal sacrifices be reinstituted in the coming third Temple in Jerusalem? What is your opinion?

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James L, in the parable of the sowers there are three who are not saved. You identified the first one. The second one becomes choked and does not endure until the end. Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13. The third one is the unfruitful one who is cast into the fire. John 15:1-8, Matt 12:33.

I agree that little children are not in any postion to overcome but the little children of the Kingdom are humble and they abide in Jesus and He teaches them the Way to overcome and to them He reveals the Truth. Matt 11:25.
---barb on 2/24/13

Mark V, I have given you several examples of how Paul contradicted Jesus. You do not want to see.

I know how easy it is to get caught up in Paul's webs of deception. I am still trying to untangle myself.

I am learning the Truth and it is the Truth found in the Words of Jesus that will set me free and sanctify me. John 17:17.
---barb on 2/24/13

barb, to this day you have given nothing to explain your condemnation of Paul. You compare the words of Christ teachings to Pauls. Let me help you, Jesus is God, Paul is not God but a created being. Jesus could say and do what was in His heart at the moment He spoke, He had a different mission then Paul. Paul spoke what Christ told him to speak and say. And when he started to become prideful, the Lord permitted a thorn on his side to humble him.
At no time have you given one reason showing that Paul contradicted anything Jesus said. There is no basis for your arguments. Sorry but you are very wrong and need to learn to read the context of passages so that your interpretations can improve.
You do want to know the Truth don't you?
---Mark_V. on 2/23/13

your welcome :-)

When Jesus explained the parable of the sowers, there was only one who He said was not saved, the first one. The word of the Kingdom was snatched and he didn't believe. There is no mention of any of the remaining three being exclude (Matt 13:18-23)

Also, He said that unless one becomes like a little child, he cannot enter the Kingdom (Matt 18:3). Little children uaually aren't in any position to overcome anything. They dependent on someone else. Paul argued as much.

But overcoming/endurance? Paul taught it too. Romans 10 is a parallel of Matthew 10. I can show you
---James_L on 2/22/13

In Romans 10, Paul said

with the heart one believes, resulting in righeousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation...abounding in riches for all who call on Him, for whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If you go back to chapter 8, you will see that Paul is squarely in the context of suffering, and the glory from it, where he says

We are joint-heirs IF we suffer with Him (Rom 8:17)

Matt 10, in the context of persecution, Jesus said

Endure to be saved - v22
Confess Me, I'll confess you -32
Deny Me, I'll deny you - v33

there's more
---James_L on 2/22/13

Barb, Cont.

Compare the uses of confess, saved, in Rom 10 & Matt 10. Also, Paul said If we endure, we will reign with Him. If we deny Him, He will deny us. (2Tim 2:12)

Also, when John and James asked to share in Christ's glory, Jesus said "Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink? is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father (Matt 20:20-28)

Compare with the predestination that Paul taught, speaking of the glory we will share if we suffer with Him (see Rom 8:18 & 9:4,16,23)

also 2Tim 2:20-21 where Paul speaks of the vessels, as in Rom 9

This is the "salvation" that Jesus spoke of. Paul said it in some of the same words
---James_L on 2/22/13

Mark V, does it sound to you like Jesus was concerned with offending the Jews or those who were weak in understanding when He pronounced the seven woes to the Scribes and Pharisees? Matt 23. Jesus did not go along with them or become as one of them to win them to His Father.

Paul has caused many problems by becoming all things to all people as can be seen by the various denominations and their beliefs. Each denomination can point to the writings of Paul for evidence to their doctrines. Jesus prayed for unity for His disciples. John 17:21-23 not division.
---barb on 2/22/13

James L, thanks for the Greek lesson in regard to the word faith.

I don't think that just believing or having faith that Jesus is the Christ is enough to get us into the Kingdom of God. I think it is His Words that we have to believe and trust in.

To me Paul is using faith or belief (per Greek translation) as a means to salvation. Paul's way is to believe and have faith that Jesus did it all for us on the cross.

Jesus expects us to overcome as He overcame. Rev. 3:21. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life and so each of us will have to decide whether to do it His Way or the other way.

---barb on 2/22/13

\\\Faith is the hope that something is true without having the facts to back it up. Belief and Trust is found by using the Words of God given by the Law and Prophets and the Words Jesus taught to His eyewitness disciples.\\
---barb on 2/20/13

I disagree.

The Greek 'pisteo' is a verb meaning believe, or have faith

'pistis' is a noun meaning belief or faith

They're the same thing. When the centurion asked Jesus to heal his paralyzed servant, Jesus said

I have not found so great "faith", no not in Israel (Matt 8:10)
As thou has "believed" so it be done (Matt 8:13)

Jesus called it both faith and belief, speaking of the centurion
---James_L on 2/22/13

barb, the problem you have is your interpretation of the Word. By reading the context you will know he never contradicted Jesus. You first refered to (1 Cor. 9:22) in the context of (.20-23) Paul says,
"to the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" That within the boundaries of God's Word He would not offend the Jews, Gentiles, or those who were weak in understanding, not changing Scripture or compromising the truth, he would condenscend in ways that could lead to salvation. He was not suggesting violating God's moral laws, but as he explained, not being lawless toward God, but abiding by the law of Jesus Christ James 1:24: 2:8,12).
---Mark_V. on 2/22/13

Mark V, Paul admitted to being all things to all people and he has been successful in leading multitudes down the wide path to destruction.

Paul says we were kept under the law (schoolmaster) to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith?? Then Paul tells us that after faith we are no longer under the law. Gal 3:21-26. Paul contradicts what Jesus taught in Matt 5:18-20, Matt 19:17 and Rev. 12:17.

You are correct that Jesus and Paul had different missions. Jesus came to testify to the Truth (John 18:37) and He called it the gospel of the Kingdom (Matt 24:14) Jesus taught the same Truth that God tried to teach the Israelites. Paul preached salvation by faith and grace and called it "my gospel".
---barb on 2/20/13

James L, yes Jesus taught both truths in the scriptures you quoted. And He did it without saying that "faith" is a condition for not dying in our sins. He is explaining to the Jews that they cannot hear His words because they they are not of God. In other words if they knew God they would know Him and believe His Words. John 8:42-47.

Faith is the hope that something is true without having the facts to back it up. Belief and Trust is found by using the Words of God given by the Law and Prophets and the Words Jesus taught to His eyewitness disciples. John 14:23-31.

---barb on 2/20/13

barb, I understand that Jesus and Paul did not talk about the same exact things. They both had a different mission. Jesus came for many reasons that Paul didn't. He came to witness and reveal the Father, He came to speak to the nation of Israel which came first, He came to teach the disciples and prepare them for ministry, and most of all He came to die on the Cross for our sins. Paul was chosen by Christ to witness to the Gentiles, but doesn't mean he only witness to them, but also to Jews. His mission was different. He suffered like most all of the disciples for the sake of Christ. And because all believers are indwelled by the Holy Spirit they reveal Christ through the Holy Spirit. The Son reveals the Father, the Holy Spirit reveals the Son.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/13

didn't Jesus say "Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins" ?? (John 8:24)

and again "If anyone keeps My word, he will never see death" ?? (John 8:51)

The lake of fire is for sinners

It at least appears that Jesus is teaching that faith is the condition for not dying in our sins

you seem to load works into words like faith, believe, etc.

is there scriptural basis for that?
---James_L on 2/18/13

barb, now I know what you were arguing. Paul by grace, Jesus by works for salvation. Oh my, you are so wrong in your interpretation. First, (Rev.22:14,15) do not speak of rewards for the lost in (v.15). Only that they are outside the gate. Believers only do the commandments of God, they are blessed and enter the gate (v.14).
Paul spoke of those works that believers do, that Christ spoke of in (Eph. 2:10) after the two passages you gave, Paul says.
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
All those saved by grace through faith were created in Christ Jesus for good works. This was done by God in times past.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/13

Peter, there are no silly ideas. Thinking things thru for ourselves is always better than taking someone elses word for it.

Jesus says that He will reward every man according to His deeds which to me means the saved and the lost. When Jesus comes in the clouds it is all over and we are either on the side of God or Satan.
---barb on 2/17/13

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Mark V, the sinners reward is the lake of fire because their deeds were evil. Rev 22:14-15.

So what you are telling me is that Paul changes his mind...or is in disagreement with himself because he clearly stated in Eph 2:8-9 that man is NOT saved by works. That is contrary to what Jesus taught. John 3:20-21.

Do you know what the works/deeds are that Jesus is talking about? Do you want to know?

---barb on 2/17/13

barb, Jesus very much agrees with Paul. (Matt. 16:27) which speak of works are the works of believers, for only believers receive the rewards. Paul speaks of reward for works in (Rom. 14:10-12) where he speaks of not judging our brothers for we will give an account to God. And in (1 Cor. 3:12-14) speaks of rewards for believers. When? in the Day of the Lord, at the Judgment Seat of Christ where only believers go. (2 Cor. 5:10,11) Paul again speaks of believers rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ, or what is called, the Bema Seat of Christ.
Unbelievers go to the Great White Throne of Judgment for sentencing, no rewards for them, their works will condemn them when the books are open.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/13

Barb: I am sorry, because I will answer before Mark V does.

Your comment about Matt 16:27 and Rev 22:12 appearing to disagree with Eph 2:8-9 is understandable (I am not excellent in my understanding, Mark V may provide a better explanation).

My PERSONAL view is that the Matt 16:27 and Rev 22:12 uses the word 'recompense' (repayment/punishment) in the RSV translation - it does not mean forgiveness

But this then MAY be like the parable of the talents - did we do all we should have with the gifts God gave us - not a matter of punishment, but how well did we do?

Remember unfaithful Thomas - he was not rejected by Christ..... I assume

It is just idea, only an idea, maybe a silly idea
---Peter on 2/16/13

Mark V, Matt 5:20 was a poor example for me to use because you are correct, Jesus was speaking to His disciples. So can you answer this question instead? Why does Jesus NOT agree in Matt 16:27 and Rev. 22:12 with what Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:8-9?
---barb on 2/16/13

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James L, I can agree with you that not everyone who is in the Kingdom will inherit the Kingdom. Matt 25.

The rest of it seems to be a play on words to make them say what you want them to say. I think this is how it works: John 4:10 - the gift of God = Jesus Christ = Living Water = drinking His words = learning Truth = works. Eph 2:8 = grace + faith = salvation. Rev. 22:17 = ears to hear = listen = thirsty for truth = drink the living water = works.

The rest is beyond what my feeble mind can comprehend and so I leave it to the wise and the prudent and I shall remain a babe in Christ. Matt 11:25.

Thankyou, I do appreciate your time and effort.

---barb on 2/16/13

Mima, Hi. I do believe that animal sacrifices will be brought back to the Third Temple. They already have the sacrificial instruments made up and ready for use. The council of the Sanhedrin has already been reinstituted and exists today. You see, this Temple will be built by Jews who reject YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) as the Promised Messiah. They don't accept His atoning Blood Sacrifice. Therefore, they are still living under the old animal-sacrificial system that foreshadowed the Lamb of GOD's Sacrifice. Most Jews reject the true Messiah. But, one day, many WILL receive Him. When He comes back to Jerusalem, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only Child, the Bible says in ZECHARIAH 12:10.
---Gordon on 2/15/13

barb, thanks.

The paradigm shift is to see a major distinction in scripture - Entering the Kingdom versus Inheriting the Kingdom

It can't be seen in comparing only individual words, because some of the same words (saved, eternal life, justified et al)
are used interchangably in both themes

For example - Eternal Life is presented as something that we can have now (John 3:15-16, 6:40-47, 10:28 1John 5:11-13), and also something we obtain in the future (Matt 19:16-29, 25:46).

To have it presently is always by faith alone (John), while obtaining it later is always conditioned on works (Matt)

Paul also taught both - through faith alone (1Tim 1:16) and through works (Rom 2:6-7)
---James_L on 2/15/13

as for more pointed questions you've asked...

\\Being born of the Spirit into the Kingdom of God is not the same as adoption.\\

Correct. Born into the Kindgdom as citizens through faith alone (1John 5:1, Eph 2:19, Philippians 3:20). Adopted as an heir (Romans 8:13-17) through suffering with Christ

Not every citizen will have an inheritance.

\\A free gift is not the same as overcoming as Jesus overcame...\\

Again, correct.

John 4:10 the gift of God - living water
Ephesians 2:8 the gift of God - salvation
Rev 22:17 - the water of life, without cost (see Isaiah 55:1-3)

Notice Rev 21:6-7 - Life, without cost. Inheritance through overcoming
---James_L on 2/15/13

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James L, sure. Go ahead I'm ready and willing.
---barb on 2/15/13

barb, you asked questions, but never said in what matters Jesus and Paul opposed each other. You also askes a few question, why Jesus spoke of certain things. I have room to answer only one (Matt. 5:20). That passage has a whole complete context. Here Jesus was calling the disciples to a deeper more radical holiness than that of the Pharisees. Pharisees focusced on the external obedience of the Law. The righteousness that Jesus expected from the disciples was an internal conformity to the spirit of the law, rather then the mere external compliance to the letter of the law. This is only answering one question. How does that passage contradict Paul's teachings?
---Mark_V. on 2/15/13

you've raised some valid concerns along the way.

What you see is something that cannot be understood from a Protestant perspective though. You'll drive yourself bonkers trying to explain to some here what you see. But there are legitimate answers to your concerns.

Paul and Jesus are not in conflict at all. But seeing it requires a paradigm shift.

Are you willing? I'll keep it peaceful.
---James_L on 2/14/13

//John and Matthew wrote their eyewitness accounts after Paul wrote his letters. The book of Revelation was written after Paul wrote Eph 2:8-9.//

Good observation.
---Rod4Him on 2/14/13

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Mark V, how about you answer some questions of mine for a change? Why does Jesus say over and over again in Revelation 2 and 3 that we must overcome? Why does Jesus say that our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Scibes and Pharisees to enter into the Kingdom of God? Why does Jesus tell us in Matt 16:27 that when He comes He will reward every man according to his works? Why does He repeat these same words in Rev 22:12? And why doesn't Jesus agree with what Paul wrote in Eph 2:8-9?

John and Matthew wrote their eyewitness accounts after Paul wrote his letters. The book of Revelation was written after Paul wrote Eph 2:8-9. Check it out for yourself.

That is what I meant when I used the word compare.

---barb on 2/14/13

barb 2: you are accusing Paul for not speaking the exact same words Jesus spoke. Do you know that even the gospels are not the exact same words? Do you have something that Paul said that contradicts what Jesus said? I still have not seen one thing. You tell me to compare the words of Jesus Christ to Eph. 2:8-9 for my answers. Compare to what? Show the passages where Jesus spoke something opposite to what Paul spoke. You put them both against each other which is not right. That is putting Scripture against Scripture. For all of it is the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/13

barb, of course when Jesus and Paul spoke they were not the exact same words. You said:
"Born again of the Spirit into the kingdom of God is not the same as adoption" Adoption is what happens when you are born of the Spirit barb. Read (John 1:12,13) Who are the ones adopted as children of God? Those born of God. Then you say,
"a free gift is not the same as overcoming as Jesus overcame" Faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour not only makes us God's children, but overcomers as well. The day we trusted Christ was a day of victory for the Christian, because it was the day we overcame the world. "But thanks be unto God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ (I Corinthians 15:57)."
---Mark_V. on 2/14/13

Trey, sorry I quoted John 10:38-39 when I should have quoted Matt 10:38-39.

This is in reply to the latter part of your post. Romans 4:15-16.
---barb on 2/13/13

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Mark V, I did answer your question. Being born of the Spirit into the Kingdom of God is not the same as adoption. A free gift is not the same as overcoming as Jesus overcame and not the same as picking up your cross and following Him.

The following verses were written after Paul wrote his letters, Rev. 3:5 and Rev. 3:21. Why is Jesus still saying we must overcome if (as Paul says) we are adopted by God and given the gift of salvation? And why does Jesus say this "And behold I am coming quickly and my reward is with me, to give every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORK shall be?

Compare the words of Jesus Christ to Eph. 2:8-9 for the answers to all your inquiries and hopefully you will not have to ask me these same questions again.
---barb on 2/13/13

Trey, Jesus said "To him that overcomes I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, even AS I overcame and sat down with my Father on His throne." Not because He overcame but AS He overcame. We are to overcome just as He did. He didn't do it for us but to show us how to do it by following His example.

We have to carry our own cross and follow His example or we are not worthy. John 10:38-40.

---barb on 2/13/13

barb, on second thought, you do not have to answer if you just don't like Paul at all. I never met him so I do not know him either. What I do know is what he taught, and he never opposed what Jesus said or did. But you do have a right not to like him if you don't want to like him. I love Jesus more because He is Lord of all things and our Savior. So if you do not have a passage to support your view, then I will know it was only your dislike for Paul and not some story he told that opposed what Jesus said or did.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/13

barb, you mention overcoming. If you study out Christ's teachings of us overcoming you will learn that we "overcome" because Christ overcame. We are more than conquerers through Christ. We overcome when we are born again - I John 5:4

Adoption: John 6:37, Matt 1:21 (note he owns a people).

Free gifts: John 10:28, John 14:27, etc.

If you show me what Paul taught I'll show you where he learned it from Christ!
---trey on 2/11/13

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barb, you made a great accusation against a great apostle. And you did not answer my question. What did Paul do that was against Jesus Christ? What did he do that he shouldn't have done, or that was opposite of what Jesus did or say? Did not Paul speak about the gifts of the Spirit? How do you think they come from? When a person is born of God he receives the gifts of the Spirit. Paul spoke about the Spirit so many times, and never opposed what Jesus said. So why do you persecute him? You could not show one passage where he opposed what Jesus said or did. The fact is that Paul was given a greater burdon then the others by Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/11/13

Mark V, My hunger for Truth is being fed and I have learned to follow the Way to Truth.

I accuse Paul of lying because he does not speak according to the Word of God and goes beyond the Words of Jesus. Jesus teaches we must be born of the Spirit into the Kingdom of God and that we must overcome as He overcame. Paul teaches adoption and free gifts.

I believe the Words of Jesus are inspired and have been preserved for us thru His eyewitness disciples. Need proof? Read John 14:26.

Luke was a convert of Paul's, became a follower of Paul and never met Jesus or heard Him preach. You can find answers to the rest of your questions to me by going back and reading my previous posts.

---barb on 2/11/13

barb 2: you also say,
"Do you really believe that Paul helps us to understand Jesus better? Shouldn't that be the other way around? Paul's words didn't satisfy me and left me hungry and thirsty for Truth."

The reason you are not hungry for the Truth is that you reject have of the Bible. You are picking and choosing what you want to believe from the Word of God. You accuse Paul but have not given a reason why you do other then you do not like him. What did he do that went against what Jesus taught? Is it that you do not believe the New Testament is inspired? Only a few parts? And how do you know which parts? If you are going to bring an accusation against what Luke wrote in Acts then bring it on.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/13

barb, I want to understand what did Paul do wrong against Jesus Christ?
And how can you know that John was an eyewitness to Jesus? or that there was any witnesses at all? How can you know the prophets were speaking for God? How can you know any part of the Bible is inspired? How do you know that jesus did not appear to Paul? How do you know that what Jesus said is true? You are picking and choosing, what you, a sinner, belief is inspired or not. You made yourself the bar of Truth.
And the only reason I answered you is because you did put Scripture against Scripture. Now, you can believe this yourself and that is great, but you announced what you believe is true to everyone. Accusing Paul.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/13

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Rod4Him, I'm glad that when you are in doubt you take the words of Jesus over the words of Paul but what I was pointing out was Paul's blatant disregard for Jesus' sacrifice. What Paul did was wrong.

Do you really believe that Paul helps us to understand Jesus better? Shouldn't that be the other way around? Paul's words didn't satisfy me and left me hungry and thirsty for Truth.
Abiding in the Words of Jesus is the food that gives me a better understanding of God's plan for salvation and shows me the difference between the wheat and the tares.

The Holy Spirit can only feed us and lead us to the Truth if we want to go there.
---barb on 2/8/13

The temple may very well be rebuilt and if so then it is also possible that they will once again sacrifice animals. The Jews do not believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay their death penalty or that He was their promised Messiah and the only reason they stopped sacrificing is because they had no temple.
---barb on 2/1/13

---francis on 2/7/13

//Will animal sacrifices be reinstituted in the coming third Temple in Jerusalem? What is your opinion?//

They had better be, for some seem to think Christ shedding His blood wasn't enough.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Eph. 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,
Was Paul smart enough to make up these scriptures? I think not.
---mlchael_e on 2/7/13

//The temple may very well be rebuilt and if so then it is also possible that they will once again sacrifice animals.//

barb, an observation, you pointed this out and then discredit Paul for honoring the sacrifices. Paul seems to agree with you.

I think many times Paul is misunderstood.

However, for me if there appears to be a disagreement between Paul and Jesus, I am going with Jesus. As Jesus gave understanding to the Torah, I think Paul gave more understanding to Jesus. As we learn more of the times and culture in which Paul lived, I think we will understand him better.
---Rod4Him on 2/7/13

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Mark V, I am speaking against the words of Paul, NOT the Word of God. To find the Word of God I follow the Law and the Prophets, the Words of Jesus given to us by Matthew and John (His eyewitnesses) including the epistles of John and the book of Revelation.

The chain of evidence is very clear in John 14:26 and John 17:17.

God never promised us a book with the truth and nothing but the truth in it. Jesus did promise His eyewitnesses that the Holy Spirit would lead them into ALL TRUTH and would cause them to remember every word He spoke and then He sent them out to teach and baptize ALL nations. Matt 28:18-20. So where does Paul fit in? And why would Jesus sent His disciples out with an incomplete message.
---barb on 2/7/13

barb, you now say,

"Mark V, I am not speaking against the Word of God."

But you are. You do know the Bible is the Word of God don't you? All of it. If you do not believe it is, then how can you believe what the writers spoke about Jesus? Or even what He said? yes, Paul had killed many Christians, but Jesus spoke to him too. Gave him harder duties then the others. He suffered for the Truth just like the rest. He was converted just like the rest. You say, I only believe what Jesus said, but how do you do that if you do not believe the writers were inspired by God to write what they did? You put Scripture against Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13

Mark V, I am not speaking against the Word of God. I am quoting the Words of His Son to show how they differ from the words of Paul. Show me where I have misquoted Jesus Christ.

Jesus never asked Paul why do you not believe because He and Paul were never together. Matt 12:30 "He who is not with me, is against me and he that does not gather with me, scatters abroad." The Words of Jesus knock Paul off his pedestal, John 12:47-50, John 5:43 but only the wise will understand and only those willing to open their eyes will see.
---barb on 2/6/13

barb, I know I'm free to ignore what you say, but when you bring doubt on what Paul accomplished and His work for Christ, I am incourage to answer you, because your opinion is very wrong. You are speaking against the Word of God. About an apostle who was granted more insight and to whom to teach. No other apostle was given as much as Paul. He was a special apostle who by the Spirit of God wrote more books then anyone else. Just because the others were with Christ in His earthly ministry, did not make them better. In fact they were terrible many times, doubting Jesus all the time, even denying Him in front of others. Jesus never had to tell Paul, "why do you not believe?" yet Jesus told the others that all the time.
---Mark_V. on 2/5/13

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Mark V, I question Paul's writings because I am a Gentile and he claimed to be sent to the Gentiles. His message does not live up to the Words and teachings of Jesus Christ and he goes way beyond what Jesus taught. In fact he doesn't seem to know anything about what Jesus taught and changes the Word of God to fit his own agenda.

I am merely pointing out the discrepencies for anyone who is genuinely seeking for Truth and is brave enough to put Paul to the test. Please feel free to ignore my posts if you are at peace with your beliefs.
---barb on 2/4/13

barb, don't you realize that you are going too far persecuting Paul and his writings? you have this hate for him, you contrive any story to trash him in some way. You are talking about a man of God. More recognized then the others. Just because the others walked with Jesus in His ministry, doesn't make them any better then Paul. Just like you are not any better then another brother of sister. The fact is the teachings of Paul brought salvation to the Gentiles, of which you are one unless you are a Jew.
---Mark_V. on 2/4/13

Bike, yes Paul became all things to all people. Jesus did not. Jesus told his disciples that they should shake the dust off of their feet if their message was not received. John 10:14-20. The disciple John said that whoever bid those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ God speed would be a partaker of their evil deeds. 2nd John 9-11. By the way, John wrote his epistles long after Paul finished his writing.

The Jews rejected their Messiah and Jesus had very strong words for them. Matt 23 and Matt 21:42-46. He did not go along with them to gain them to His Father.

So if Paul believed that Jesus was the Messiah, then according to Jesus, Paul was partaking of their evil deeds when he did what he did in the temple.
---barb on 2/3/13

excellent way, when Jesus said destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days. Jesus is speaking of himself...death on the cross. He was gone for 3 days then appeared to the diciples and they were shocked and didn't believe it was Jesus.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13

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Of Paul offering a sacrifice, have you read Matthew 17:24-7 of The Temple Tax? The collectors of the temple tax came and asked, Doesnt your teacher pay the temple tax? Yes, he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus speak. What do you think, Simon? he asked. From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes: from their own children or from others? From others, Peter answered. Then the children are exempt, Jesus said. But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch, open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours. Paul became all things to all people.
---bike on 2/1/13

Yes animal sacrifices will begin again as it is written in prophecy. Modern day Christianity preaches doctrines of demons (mans traditions) purposely avoiding prophecy.

Prophecy devoted to one-third of Bible and more than 90% has not even happened yet.

The abomination of desolation has not yet happened Luke 21:20-24 Matthew 24:15 Mark 13:14

The importance of this event is for the true followers of the Lord who are watching will see events that God has foretold will occur, actually happen, and to flee from the times of trouble to be protected by the Lord during the 3 1/2 years until He returns to earth 1 Thess 4:16

The rest will remain unaware prophecy is happening until two witnesses begin preaching Rev 11:2-3
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/1/13

The temple may very well be rebuilt and if so then it is also possible that they will once again sacrifice animals. The Jews do not believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay their death penalty or that He was their promised Messiah and the only reason they stopped sacrificing is because they had no temple.

The question is why didn't Paul know that the death of Jesus Christ had done away with animal sacrifices? Acts 21:26 "Then Paul took the men and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them."
---barb on 2/1/13

Animal sacrifices will never be re-instated [NOT FOR CHRISTIANITY]-- Christ died ONCE FOR ALL. This replaced animal sacrifice. It will be voodoo and not christianity to return to animal sacrifice. It is obselete by Christ's work. I do not even think that the Jews practice animal sacrifice anymore, except to eat the passover lamb, which we should too, as Jesus is "the sacrificed lamb" who was slain, and not the "sacrificed pig". Yet we remember Christ death and resurrection by eating ham (and not lamb). Jesus cast the Legion to the swine. Does he want to be compared to pig? Why on earth will we ever return to the imperfect, inferior system of animal sacrifice? Jesus is a better hope than Moses (and animal sacrifices).
---bike on 2/1/13

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That would be a step backward. But even if it happened, it would be short lived.
---aaron on 2/1/13

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

John 2:21 "But He spoke of the temple of His body".

JESUS is the third temple.
---more_excellent_way on 2/1/13

There has to be a third temple because when Christ returns and stops the armies. He then goes thru the eastern gate and is annointed with oil and reigns from Jerusalem for a 1000 years. How or where would he rule from without the temple?
---tim on 1/31/13

There will NOT be a third temple built in Jerusalem EVER!

The passages used to try to establish proof for a third temple are (Dan 9:27,11:31,12:11) and (Ezk 45).

The problem is, Jesus cursed the second temple and declared that it would be left permanently desolate. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!... Behold, your house is left to you desolate!" (Mt 23:37-39) Exactly what about LEFT DESOLATE do the third temple preachers not understand?

Is there any indication, from Ezekiel or Daniel, that we are to skip over the next temple that was rebuilt, and was still standing in Jesus day, and jump to some future post-rapture great tribulation third temple? The answer is NO!
---Lutherist on 1/18/13

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Q:Will animal sacrifices be reinstituted in the coming third Temple in Jerusalem?

A:It's a matter of the fulfillment of scripture.. I'm naming two Daniel 9, 2Thess 2, there are more.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12

well the hebrews says after the conscience has been cleansed by christ there is no more offering for sin. ezekiel clearly says the the sacrifices are sin offerings. if god reinstitutes animal sacrifices he is a liar and contradicts his own words.
---mike on 7/7/12

Here are few reason sacrifices seem OK. 1)If even in OT, sacrifices never atoned but only pointed to Christ, they well could even in the future. 2)the promise that in future even Gentiles will bring acceptable sacrifices remains to be fulfilled literally 3)If the law (even sacrifice) is meaningful because Christ fulfilled it in our place, how much better if we do it with a renewed understanding that Jesus gives 4)Rightly, sacrifices (compared to communion) are a graphically gross reminder of what Jesus underwent. They probably also remind us as also evident from Bible that men are worth "more than many sparrows" & that animals are meant to serve mankind's ends although we needn't abuse them).
---hop on 8/21/10

Ive got to correct myself,earlier in this blog I pointed out the "millenial temple"described in Ezekiel,truth is though that this third temple could be built and sacrifices resumed before then,so that when Jesus comes back to it at the start of the millenium,it could then cease..its hard to understand prophecy when it telescopes time,but that would help to sort out some of the "problems"..
---richard on 1/25/10

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I believe that animal sacrifices will be reinstated during the coming Third Jewish Temple. The Orthodox Jews, who will be the ones responsible for the building of this temple, do not believe that the Promised Messiah has come yet. They reject YAHUSHUA (JESUS) as the Messiah. So, for them, it's as if the True Lamb of GOD had never come, and they need SOME kind of blood atonement for their sins....that is, that is how they are thinking and believing. YAHUSHUA told the Jews, that He came in His Father YAHUVEH's Name, and they did not receive Him. But, there will be a one who will come in his own name (Anti-Christ), and him they will receive. Only, the A.C. will profane the Holy of Holies. I don't believe GOD will be behind the Third Temple.
---Gordon on 1/23/10

There are a lot of prophecy's for Israel yet to be fulfilled.After "the great and terrible day of the Lord" the "Sun of righteousness" will rise with healing in his wings.He is the Jewish Messiah,as prophesied by Pilate "the King of the Jews" As the Messiah Jesus opened the door for Gentiles to come in, Israel is the natural olive tree to which we were grafted in.So.. the millenium puts Jesus on David's throne to fulfill the promises..
---richard on 12/26/09

\\The last 9 chapters of Ezekiel(ch.40-48) concern the "temple"..not in the end-times so much as in the millenium(for example ch.47 explains the river that flows out from the temple towards the Dead Sea area and all which that means for that time).These scriptures do pose a difficult question because they deal with animal sacrifice(during the millenium).Is this literal or symbolic? old chestnut!
---richard on 12/25/09\\

Since there's no such thing as a literal earthly millennium, you're asking the wrong question.

A millenium is a kingdom of this world that comes to an end.

Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world," and it has no end.
---Cluny on 12/25/09

The last 9 chapters of Ezekiel(ch.40-48) concern the "temple"..not in the end-times so much as in the millenium(for example ch.47 explains the river that flows out from the temple towards the Dead Sea area and all which that means for that time).These scriptures do pose a difficult question because they deal with animal sacrifice(during the millenium).Is this literal or symbolic? old chestnut!
---richard on 12/25/09

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I forgot to mention that the Temple also had its own stockyards where pilgrims could purchase ritually pure sacrificial victims.

Stockyards + animals being killed constantly = slaughterhouse.

You can't get around it.
---Cluny on 12/25/09

\\Cluny this statement,"They were actually glorified slaughterhouses" could very well be offensive to God and his son the Lord Jesus Christ.
---mima on 12/24/09\\

No, it's not.

Jesus called the Temple a den of thieves.

At least a slaughterhouse is honest work.

What do YOU think went on in them, mima?

Did YOU think it was all cantatas and revivals or something similar?

And you actually think the Third Temple won't be the Temple of Antichrist?
---Cluny on 12/24/09

Cluny this statement,"They were actually glorified slaughterhouses" could very well be offensive to God and his son the Lord Jesus Christ.
---mima on 12/24/09

---joseph on 12/18/09 has some powerful ideas to express, right out of the Bible, perhaps we could all benefit by carefully reading them.
---mima on 12/18/09

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"Will animal sacrifices be reinstituted in the coming third Temple in Jerusalem?"
If they are we will know that the stage is being set for the coming of the spurious messiah.
For our Father "does not desire sacrifice, or else I would give [it], [He does] not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart, These, He will not despise. Psa 51:16,17
"For [He] desires mercy, not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." Hsa 6:6
"When He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin You had no pleasure." Heb.10:5,6
---joseph on 12/18/09

There are those who believe that The Messiah, The LORD Jesus is the one spoken of in Daniel's prophecy as the one who "confirms the covenant with many for one week, But in the middle of the week brings an end to sacrifice and offering." Dan.9:27
Perhaps they are correct, I will not argue that. However 'I' believe it is "the prince "who is to come" spoken of in Dan. 9:24 whose people destroyed the temple in 70 AD, that will confirm that covenant of animal sacrifice and offering, then bring them to an end in an attempt to validate himself as the Jews savior.
Think about it, there is no mention in scripture of the Jews of Judaism ever excepting the sacrifice of Christ, therefore would have continued O.T. sacrifice.
---joseph on 12/18/09

There will never be a need for animal sacrifices again due to Jesus' redemptive work. I have no idea what the people will do but animal sacrifices would be meaningless and a useless cruelty to the animals.
---jody on 12/17/09

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