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Yes, Jesus was born on December 25.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


StevenG, "Hanakkah" is "The Festival of Lights". It is the Celebration of the Conception of the Lord YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST). The Orthodox Jews celebrate it for a lesser reason, for remember, they do not regard JESUS (YAHUSHUA) as the true Messiah. (They're still waiting for the messiah!) And, they therefore are not in a right relationship with GOD, even though they strongly believe that they are, because they reject the only Way to GOD, that is YAHUSHUA (John 14:6). So, they don't celebrate Hanakkah for the ultimate reason it should be celebrated. Hanakkah is the time when YAHUSHUA was conceived in Miriam's (Mary's) womb. YAHUSHUA is the True Light of the World. The Hanakkah candle lights represent YAHUSHUA, the Light.
---Gordon on 12/22/09


We should take the time to see what the Bible has to say about the use of pagan / heathen holydays to worship God. Does the Bible have anything to say about the use of pagan rituals in the congregation of believers? This should be our only guide. What does the Bible say about it?
---Francis on 12/22/09


AHEM!!! "Was Jesus...born on December 25th?" No! This is a date chosen by the church back in antiquity to counter pagan celebrations (unholy days). At the point of impregnation by the Holy Spirit, the infant Jesus was born (carried) by Mary until the time of his "BIRTH". Like all infants, after his birth, Jesus also had to be born (carried) until such time as he was physically able to carry himself -- crawl, walk, run.

No, 12/25 isn't Jesus' "date of birth". It's important we celebrate & recognize his birth (regardless of the date), death, burial & resurrection enabled us to be born again (to be spiritually birthed into God's Kingdom).

MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FELLOW BLOGGERS! :)
---Leon on 12/22/09


In response to alanofUK of 12/20/09- I do know that many atheists, anti-Christs, false christians, pagans, heathens and others of similar ilk do celebrate Xmas on December 25.

Many will openly admit they do not believe in Christ and are irreligious, perhaps some are aware of December 25 direct links to Mithra and the celebration of the death of early Christians.

What is important to remember is that these are the origins of December 25. It is not a date appointed by God or the Bible for true Christians to celebrate.

December 25 is also the day when all these irreligious people unite and join together in one celebration.
---David8318 on 12/22/09




"Proof of what? It's just common sense." Steveng

With respect, I'll take that as a no.

Many "immigrants" might in fact recognize the majority of the customs associated with Christmas, as they in fact are, borrowed from ancient cultures far removed from primitive, first century Christianity.

There is no scriptural basis to suggest that early disciples of Christ became followers through this celebration, or any pagan holiday for that matter. It is simply a tradition of man, based on non-Christian customs. Christ himself said:

"Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." Mark 7:13 NIV
---scott on 12/22/09


George, It was the 6th month of Elisabeth's pregnancy (Lk.1:36), not the 6th month of the year. Zacharias was performing the priests duty to make atonement for himself and the people in the 7th month (Heb: Ethanim= Eng: October 9 at evening- Lev.16:29-34+ 23:26-32). Now the angel Gabriel spoke to him at this time, Lk.1:8-11. Elizabeth in her 6th month of pregnancy, when Mary conceives seed from the Holy Ghost (from October, November is 2, December is 3, January is 4, and so on up to March is the 6th month- Lk.1:26,27,36). Now count 9 months for Mary's pregnancy, 1,end of March to the beginning of April + 2,Zif, May + 3,Siuan, June + 4,Tammuz, July + 5,Ab, August + 6,Elul, September + 7,Ethanim, October + 8,Bul, November + 9,Chisleu, December.
---Eloy on 12/22/09


December 25, Happy Birthday Jesus, Almighty God!
---Eloy on 12/22/09


Rhonda, do you believe that Chanukah is a pagan celebration? Or maybe the miracle of the Menorah?

The miracle of the Menorah is a celebration to commemorate the restoration of Judaism and Chanukah is a celebration of religious freedom. Since Judah is the root of christianity (christians have been grafted into Judahism), are the miracle of the Manorah and Chanukah are pagan celebrations?
---Steveng on 12/21/09


In the sixth month (Elul/August) the angel Gabriel informed Mary of her pregnancy (Luke 1:26). Nine months later would be Sivan/May.

This would place His birth in late spring which would coincide with the shepherds abiding in the field.

However, there is no valid method to pinpoint His birth date. This tells me God does not consider Jesus birth an important enough date to remember, much less celebrate. He was clear with His other holidays (Passover, Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur, etc.). But nowhere are we asked to celebrate our Saviors birth, only his death, burial and resurrection!
---George on 12/21/09




scott: "Millions of immigrants who have never heard of Christ or celebrated christmas came to America...gained knowledge of christmas, learned the reason for christmas (that is Christ) and then converted to christianity." 12/20/09

Do you have any proof of that?"

Proof of what? It's just common sense. If you were an immigrant, whouldn't you want to know what this huge celebration is all about? But, yes, I do have proof - personal experience. My work in the ministry has me working overtime, especially between Thanksgiving and New Years, because I live in an asian community dominated by buddhists.
---Steveng on 12/21/09


StevenG, Let's celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, that was the real time of YAHUSHUA's Birth. The Church can celebrate the Birth of Christ YAHUSHUA (JESUS), just do so during the correct date, and stop "christianizing" pagan dates and holidays. It really is that simple. Unfortunately, much of the Church is more inclined to (continue) following the traditions of men, rather than be willing to "stick out like a sore thumb" and be different enough, even from others within the Church, in order to follow GOD's own true Times and Seasons.
---Gordon on 12/21/09


David, in John 5:23 Jesus says He is due the same honour as the Father is.

Verse 21 (actually vs.19) is an accusation?-where do you get this idea from? This is no accusation but a statement of fact. In calling Himslef God's Son He claims equality with God, as John attests.

Jesus replied... 'the Son can do nothing by himself, ....." Of course the Son can do nothing by Himself, He is not a free agent but God, three in one, of one mind and purpose. Your JW indoctrination causes you to miss the obvious.

In Hebrews 1:6 God commands-"let all God's angels worship him (Jesus)," using the same Greek word 'proskuneo' which (Rev. 22:8,9) the angel uses to tell John to worship God.
---Warwick on 12/21/09


Some are obsessed with paganism, unwilttingly giving it power and status it does not posess. The rest of us are happy to worship our Creator and Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, on any socalled pagan day. He is the real thing, The Living God. Pagan gods have less substance than shadows.

We happily worship him daily and every month of the year well aware they are dedicated to pagan gods. Likewise we choose to celebrate His coming on December 25th, dedicating this day to the only living God. Was He born on this day? Unlikely, but it matters not as He and only He is Lord of every day!

I think it quite fitting we do this as it demonstrates that Jesus Christ is Lord of all there is, Creator of all things both visible and invisible.
---Warwick on 12/21/09


Warwick, Your reasoning is faulty! How? You said Jesus called God His father making him equal ...Mat 6.9 Jesus said pray this way "OUR Father" God is also OUR Father , by the same reasoning makes us all equal with GOD ?????? 1+1+1= 3 not 1 human reasoning ??? You said "we're allowed.
---1st_cliff on 12/21/09


\\In Hebrews 1:6 God commands-"let all God's angels worship him (Jesus)," using the same Greek word 'proskuneo' which (Rev. 22:8,9) the angel uses to tell John to worship God. Worship is worship, is worship! \\

Actually, Biblical Greek and the ancient Greek Christian writers make a distinction between the "latreia" (whence "idolatry") owed to God alone, and the "douleia" given to anyone worthy of honor and respect. The word "proskyneo" is elastic, and can be applied to either.
---Cluny on 12/21/09


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Steveng

"Millions of immigrants who have never heard of Christ or celebrated christmas came to America...gained knowledge of christmas, learned the reason for christmas (that is Christ) and then converted to christianity." 12/20/09

Do you have any proof of that?
---scott on 12/21/09


\\conveniently for counterfeit christians this far-fetched reasoning simply twists ONE verse in scripture with wayward non-biblical thinking to SERVE superstitious pagan traditions of xmas God HATES\\

Please give one verse from Scripture that says God hates Christmas, Rhonda.

Is this why you hate so much--because you're imitating a god you made in your own image and likeness?
---Cluny on 12/21/09


Rhonda, John 5:23 tells us to honour Jesus just as we honour the Father. Equal honour to the Father and the Son.

In Hebrews 1:6 God commands-"let all God's angels worship him (Jesus)," using the same Greek word 'proskuneo' which (Rev. 22:8,9) the angel uses to tell John to worship God. Worship is worship, is worship! This same angel rightly refused to allow John to worship him, a fellow creature.

If cultic reasoning is correct (ie. Jesus is an angel) then Hebrews has God commanding angels to worship a fellow angel! Never! God has always said to worship Him alone. As Jesus is God the Son then there is no contradiction.
---Warwick on 12/21/09


At John 5:18, who is saying that Jesus was making himself equal with God? Not Jesus. Jesus defended himself against this false charge in the next verse-

5:21,'To this accusation Jesus replied... 'the Son can do nothing by himself, he can only do what he sees the Father doing.''JB

Jesus defended himself against these false charges from the Jews who, like trinitarian Warwick, were drawing wrong conclusions.

TheSon is subordinate in relation to the Father, but should nevertheless be honoured and respected. Regarding worship, Jesus said 'It is YHWH (Jehovah) your God you must worship.'Mt.4:10.

There is no direct Biblical command for Christians to 'worship Christ', however it is good PR for pagans to say they do on Dec.25.
---David8318 on 12/21/09


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rosalie, your saying that the Rapture and the end are 5 months apart? Thats not true..we don't know when the Rapture will happen, and the end of the tribulation will be 7 years after the Rapture..Noone knows the hour or day, but we can know how close it is. where did you get this anyway?
---a_friend on 12/21/09


rosalie...I just love it when someone puts "prophecies" in writing for everyone to see. That way we know for sure when it is false prophecy.
---KarenD on 12/20/09


\\RAPTURE DAY - MAY 21, 2011
END OF THE WORLD - OCTOBER 21, 2011

This event are accurate comparing scripture to scripture. From Hebrew Calendar - converted to our Gregorian Calendar.
---rosalie on 12/19/09\\

OK, Rosalie.

When did the Tribulation start, according to this Chronology, and who is Antichrist?
---Cluny on 12/20/09


Rosalie I'm sure your about to get a flood of replys telling you that noone knows the day or the hour of Jesus return not even the Lord Himself
What you need to do is make sure that you are right with the Lord right now
He could come back at any moment and if your not ready you won't be going I hope you are ready though but don't take any chances its too important
---Rodney on 12/20/09


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Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
---exzucuh on 12/20/09


RAPTURE DAY - MAY 21, 2011
END OF THE WORLD - OCTOBER 21, 2011

This event are accurate comparing scripture to scripture. From Hebrew Calendar - converted to our Gregorian Calendar.
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Christ said MANY would come in his name saying look here look there ...lying prophecies

from Christs death until now the WORLD is overcome more today with EVIL LYING PROPHETS and the ignorant who follow them

either believe this post or believe Gods Holy Word - NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY - not even Lord Jesus

why would you appease Satan the father of lies with lies ANTICHRIST to Scripture
---Rhonda on 12/20/09


David ... How many people do you know who use 25th December to "worship Mithra and celebrate the murder of early Christians"

Please be honest. How many?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/20/09


Cliff we are allowed to add 2+2 and get 4.

Jesus is the Son of God, He called God His Father making Himself equal with God. He is the Creator therefore God, as many Scriptures attest. He is therefore God the Son.
---Warwick on 12/20/09


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I tried to figure this out a few years ago, reading the different opinions, and came to the conclusion that there is >no< conclusive evidence pointing to the month and day of his birth. There are many thesis that say it was in December / January or at various Jewish festivals in September / October, but its speculative, and not based on the Bible. Romans 14:1, 5-6, 13, 1Corinthians 8.
---Glenn on 12/20/09


Rhonda: "...why embrace multitude of LIES given by RCC mocking God and his warning to BOW DOWN TO MOTHER RCC and her xmas day"

Rhonda, you really need to let go of your hatred against RCC. Remember that it is not that we wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You anger is turning your joy of being a christian into everything but joy.
---Steveng on 12/20/09


Cliff: Yhwh, he God, none else. Yeshuah (Jesus) says: Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I Am. For I am The Lord. I level my life, and I raise it again. I am The Almighty. He that has seen me has seen The Father. And no one always stepped in heaven except he out of heaven came down, the Son of man who from being in the heaven. And Jesus went to them, walking on the sea, and said, Take courage: I am, be not afraid. I am Light to the world. I am from above, I am not of this world: for if you all believe not that I Am, you all will die in your sins. Which of you maligns me of sin? I am the door, by me if anyone enter in, that one will be Saved. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
---Eloy on 12/20/09


You people are sending millions of people to hell.

Ok. Let's not celebrate christmas. Let's eliminate christmas from the face of the earth a send millions of people to hell. Would you want that on your conscious? That's exactly what you are doing.

Millions of immigrants who have never heard of Christ or celebrated christmas came to America (or any other country that celebrates christmas) gained knowledge of christmas, learned the reason for christmas (that is Christ) and then converted to christianity.

Would Satan allow a pagon celebration (christmas) to help populated the Kingdom of God?
---Steveng on 12/20/09


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Cliff, You speak falsehood, and need to get saved by the Lord God Jesus, the only real everlasting God, the Creator of all: for there is no other, for all of the religions of the world with their gods are idols and there is no life in them, but Jesus Christ is the Resurrection and the life, he alone is The Way, The Truth, and The Life- Jesus is not "A" way, but "The" Way: and no human comes to the Father except by Jesus.
---Eloy on 12/20/09


lit.Heb: "For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given: and His name will be called The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father." lit.Gk: Jesus says of himself, "You all call me The Good-Bestower and The Lord, indeed you all say well, for I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty." Isaiah 9:6+ John 13:13+ Revelation 1:8.
---Eloy on 12/20/09


In the context of John 5:23, the Son is in a secondary, subordinate position to the Father. 5:22, Jesus says, 'the Father... has committed all the judging to the Son'. (see also 5:21)

Everyone gave honour to the Father anyway, that was without question. Now however, 'the Son' subordinate to the Father, is given power to judge. So it's on this basis, (ie the Father giving Christ the role of judging, (NOT worship)) that 'all may honour the Son as they honour the Father'.

So those who were after Christ's Blood at 5:18 had better watch out & start honouring the Son, because judging had been given by the Father to the Son.

To hope to receive a favourable judgment from the Son, I honour and respect the Son as I do the Father.
---David8318 on 12/20/09


\\rather than majority of counterfeit christians who dismiss Gods WARNING and most of Scripture to follow MOTHER RCC Rev 17 BY honoring worshiping and serving RCC on xmas day - adopted pagan traditions - why OBEY RCC and ITS xmas day?\\

Actually, the Church at Rome was among the last to adopt the Solemnity of the Nativity on 25 December.

The Armenians never did.
---Cluny on 12/20/09


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David conveniently (for you) you 'miss' the point. John 5:23 says "That all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father.".
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conveniently for counterfeit christians this far-fetched reasoning simply twists ONE verse in scripture with wayward non-biblical thinking to SERVE superstitious pagan traditions of xmas God HATES

USING INEPT reasoning of MEN you quote John 5:23 as reason for xmas where honours to Christ YET NOTHING for The Father in Heaven - contradiction is obvious you don't see it?

religious christians serve counterfeit Christ 2Corin 11:4 xmas day

Mark 7:6-7 Biblical Christ SAID they WORSHIP me in VAIN teaching from idolatrous traditions to forsake me their hearts are far from me
---Rhonda on 12/20/09


CREATION - 11013 B.C.
NOAH'S FLOOD - 4990 B.C
FALL OF JERUSALEM - 587 BC
JESUS BIRTH - OCTOBER 2, 7 B.C.
JESUS BAPTISM- SEPTEMBER 26, 29 A.D.
CRUCIFIXION - APRIL 1, 33 A.D.
PENTECOST DAY - MAY 22, 33 A.D.
RAPTURE DAY - MAY 21, 2011
END OF THE WORLD - OCTOBER 21, 2011

This event are accurate comparing scripture to scripture. From Hebrew Calendar - converted to our Gregorian Calendar.
---rosalie on 12/19/09


Warwick, You told me on other posts that you stay within the bible! You do the same thing as Eloy I E "make up scripture" you know and I know that nowhere does it say "God the Son" (nor God the Holy Spirit for that matter) Show consistency and stay within scripture (you know how).huh?
---1st_cliff on 12/19/09


Eloy, I thought you were a little more bible literate than that...Nowhere in scripture does it say "Lord God Jesus"!
When you say things like that you're pushing your own theology,not bible!
---1st_cliff on 12/19/09


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David, are you illiterate?
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illiterate for taking Gods HOLY Word literally fearing WORD of God who declared HE HATES pagan traditions not to mix pagan with him?

rather than majority of counterfeit christians who dismiss Gods WARNING and most of Scripture to follow MOTHER RCC Rev 17 BY honoring worshiping and serving RCC on xmas day - adopted pagan traditions - why OBEY RCC and ITS xmas day?

True Christians honor serve OBEY Christ - pagan props and abominations that God says he HATES are turned away from to worship The Father in Truth and Spirit - seeing there is NO TRUTH in xmas day

why embrace multitude of LIES given by RCC mocking God and his warning to BOW DOWN TO MOTHER RCC and her xmas day
---Rhonda on 12/19/09


For Eloy's benefit, I'll repeat my question.

Show scriptures where the Bible specifically commands CHRISTIANS to 'worship Christ'?

The verses Eloy offered from the Hebrew scriptures,properly refer to YHWH- Jehovah, GodAlmighty.

Eloy's verses from the Greek scriptures are ambiguous at best. The Magi were not 'christians'. The other verses show people doing 'obeisance' to Christ,not 'worshipping' him but according him respect. Even if they were worshipping him, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. The Bible is reporting what happened, not teaching us to worship Christ.

There is no direct COMMAND in the scriptures to 'worship Christ'. Rather, Christ said- 'worship YHWH (Jehovah) your God'.Mt.4:10.
---David8318 on 12/19/09


Despite Eloy's statement, //I have already posted scriptures below which commands all flesh to worship the Lord God Jesus,// (12/19/09) the fact is,Eloy hasn't. Although the HebrewScriptures Eloy uses, do teach us to worship YHWH- Jehovah (Yahweh).

Problem with Eloy is that he is heavily involved with paganism.

Eloy holds to the pagan holy-day December 25,which has nothing to do with Christ, but used by pagans to worship Mithra and celebrate the murder of early Christians.

Eloy also believes the pagan,Hellenic, Neo-platonic teaching of the trinity,which again has no basis in Scripture. Eloy thus confuses YHWH (Jehovah), the Father with Jesus Christ, the 'Son of God'.

Paganism is masquerading as Christian.(2Cor.11:14)
---David8318 on 12/19/09


David8318, John 9:35-38 says "YAHUSHUA (JESUS) heard that they had turned him (former blind man healed by a Miracle) out (kicked out of the temple by the religious leaders), and when He had found him, He said to him, 'Dost thou believe in the Son of GOD?' He (ex-blind man) answered and said, 'Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?' And YAHUSHUA said to him, 'Thou hast both seen Him, and it is He who speaks with thee.' And he said , 'I believe, Lord.' And falling down, he WORSHIPPED Him.' Afterwards, there is no indication from God the Father, in Scripture, that the ex-blind man was wrong to worship YAHUSHUA as he did.
---Gordon on 12/19/09


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David conveniently (for you) you 'miss' the point. John 5:23 says "That all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father."

How do we honour the Father David? Then in exactly that way we must honour Jesus, God the Son. Hebrews 1:6 says "let all God's angels worship him (Jesus)," using the same Greek word 'proskuneo' which is elsewhere used regarding worship of the Father.

Interestingly, and relevantly John 5:18 says "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him, not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Being equal with God, Jesus is due equal honour and worship.
---Warwick on 12/19/09


David, are you illiterate? for I have already posted scriptures below which commands all flesh to worship the Lord God Jesus, and also all flesh is commanded to love the Lord God Jesus with all your heart and with all your life and with all your mind and with all your strength, and also the Lord God Jesus' new commandment to all flesh is to love your enemies.
---Eloy on 12/19/09


all this talk about dec 25th,or I dont celebrate christmas.let me just say that because men love the dark ,and hate the light,and are all in sin,and need of salvation,the actual date of our lords birth means very little to me. I dont believe it will be a burning question in heaven,iam just glad he came.
---tom2 on 12/18/09


So there are no scriptures specifically commanding Christians to 'worship Christ'. Both trinitarians Eloy and Warwick are unable find any.

The best Warwick can do is use John 5:23, where the word honour is used. We are also commanded to 'Honour our mother and Father'. But we don't worship them, perhaps give them respect yes. That's how many view John 5:23- to give equal respect to Jesus and God. The word used by Christ in reply to Satan however, at Mt.4:10 isn't 'honour', but 'worship YHWH (Jehovah) your God'.

Thus, Dec.25 has nothing to do with the 'worship of Christ'. That's the pagan 'red-herring'. It's all to do with the DATE, December 25, the pagan holy-day which many have been duped into celebrating by crafty satanic default.
---David8318 on 12/18/09


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Trav, you have trouble with humour don't you! I was placing myself in the position of those who imagine Christ is somehow sullied if we choose to worship Him on a day upon which mislead people worship a god, who has never existed. The sun is a pagan god so worshiping Jesus on Sunday must be a no no! This is superstition.

Biblically speaking 'worship' is defined as attributing honour, reverence, or worth to that which is considered to be divine. As Jesus said "Than all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father." John 5:23. It is not that you don't know such verses but that your confinement within Jehovah's Witness doctrine forces you to ignore the obvious.

I don't even like pickles, pagan or otherwise!
---Warwick on 12/18/09


Trav, sorry I think I posted a blog to you, when it should have been directed to David!
---Warwick on 12/18/09


Dayid creates a 'straw-man' argument "Who in their right mind would celebrate a pagan festival to a false god called Mithra?"

David would have you believe that if we worship the true God on a day some misguided persons worship a nongod, we therefore worship the nongod! ludicrous! It does not make any sense.

What motivates David is that as a Jehovah's Witness he is forced to believe Jesus is an angel, or a god, not worthy of worship, on any day!

How revealing it would be if bloggers had to declare what denomination, or cult or philosophy they belong to.
---Warwick on 12/18/09


December 25, Happy Birthday Jesus, Almighty God!
---Eloy on 12/18/09


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NO! I am so glad that He came, are you not glad?
---Catherine on 12/18/09


It's a well known historical fact that the pagan Roman Emperor Diocletian engaged in a systematic campaign to persecute and murder as many early Christians as he possibly could.

After murdering thousands of Christians, Diocletian held a 'party' to celebrate his efforts to stamp out Christianity.

This 'party' was held on December 25, 303CE (AD).

The celebration to be held on December 25, 2009CE will be yet another diabolic, anti-Christ, God dishonoring festival and will probably be not much different in nature in the eye's of God Almighty to that of Diocletian's.

Pagan Emperor Constantine (Diocletian's successor) went on to make the Dec.25 pagan festival an 'official' RCC holy-day.
---David8318 on 12/18/09


you all are forgetting that Jesus was the passover lamb and when was passover for the jews the first of april if you know the jewish calendar that is why the world as april fools for this time and yes i believe that dec 25 was slated because they wanted to celebrate the pagans hoilday and not offend the christians
---connie on 12/18/09


Even though every pastor knows that this christmas tradition is not of, from or about jesus, they cannot help but encourage it.
Makes you wander whether or not christians actually love God with thier hearts or just thier mouth?
---Francis on 12/18/09


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David, "For you will worship no other god: for Yhwh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Who is this King of glory? Yhwh of hosts, he the King of glory. Exalt. Know you all that Yhwh he God. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. And they went into the lodging, and found the infant with Mariam the mother of him, and kneeled down and worshipped him. Then says Jesus to him, Away with you, Satan: for it is written, You will worship the Lord your God, and him only will serve. And here Jesus, he met them saying, Rejoice! thereupon they came forward embracing of him his feet, and worshipped him." Ex.34:14+ Ps.24:10+ 100:3+ Is.9:6+ Mt.2:11+ 4:10+ 28:9.
---Eloy on 12/18/09


For Christ to be a Jewish Messiah and the Second ADAM he had to be born on an anniversary of the creation of Adam, Rosh Hashanah. The Jewish calendar is lunar with a periodic leap month occurring but the date range is September October for occurrences.

There was a Roman Census that year and they, occurred every 17 years which would make the year 8 BCE. As some of the records for Roman censuses still exist for censuses during the CE period and 8 BCE is a computed date based on a 17 year frequency and the registration windows was over a number of months. December 25 was a date that was chose near Saturnalia to get more pagans to convert to Christianity by the early Church after the time of Constantine.
---Friendly_Blogger on 12/18/09


Well, all I know is that I was born on this date, the 18th of December, 45 years ago. So if anybody has an insatiable urge to celebrate something, you can make a cupcake and sing in full confidence that the date is correct. No gifts please. Instead, give a bible to somebody today.
---ralph7477 on 12/18/09


I will agree with Cluny on this one. I will like to remind everyone, that not every Christian celebrate the Nativity on December 25th. For instances, many Eastern Churches (for instance those who are in communion with the Holy Orthodox Church .., Russia, Jerusalem, etc) follow the Julian Calendar ("Old Calendar"), so the Feast of the Nativity is actually celebrated on January 7th.

Most biblical scholars agree that Christ was not born on December 25. It is a day that the majority of Christians celebrate the joyful Nativity of our Lord, but whether or not Christ was born on that day is up for debate. I do not worry about this. It is not a issue to be arguing over. There are other things more important....

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/18/09


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Reading Warwick's post 12/18/09 is laughable. "we're all in trouble... We'll all be rooned", everyday is a pagan day rants Warwick.

Can anyone here point to a scripture that specifically says "worship Christ"? I'll make it easy for you. You can't and will not be able to. Why not? Because God's word does not teach us to worship Christ, but only the Father- YHWH. (Mt.4:10)

Unless of course, you are of the same bent as Warwick who is heavily into pagan Greek mythology (eg.Dec.25) and also believes in the Hellenic, Neo-platonic teaching of the trinity. If so, then you will be forced not only to 'worship Christ' but also to observe the pagan Dec.25 holy-day.

Warwick is in a right proper pagan pickle.
---David8318 on 12/18/09


\\ It heard it was stated that April 17, 6 BC (17/4/747 Roman Calendar) was the actual date that Jesus was born.
---Julie on 12/17/09\\

Stated by whom?
---Cluny on 12/18/09


I think Jesus was born in the spring march-may or around september.But the reason we celebrate is his birth on december 25th is cause the christians watched the pagans celebrate the winter solistice.So they decided to celebrate Jesus's birth that day in order to get the pagans to look at it differently.And possibly when some to the lord by that.So if the pagans asks why we celebrate we say Jesus's birth.Besides that,It shouldn't matter when we celebrate it,we should celebrate every day of our life.I rather celebrate Jesus on dec 25 than a false god and celebrate the winter solistice.
---angea on 12/18/09


Get some intelligence people. For at this very moment that I post, there is a real holy person being born to a holy parent, and also at this same time there is a myth being born: but the real historical and documented birth precedes any fabricated ideas of some myth. For example, imaginary santy clauses and elves and his reindeers, and the easter bunny, and humpty dumpty, etc. have zero to do with real chronicled events in history. Probably batman and robin, and pinochio, and scooby dooby doo were each made up on the same real historical birthday as some of you here, but that does not mean that your birthdate has any relevance at all to these fictious stories made up to entertain people.
---Eloy on 12/18/09


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Mod, If God wanted man to celebrate the earthly birth of His Son, it would be no mystery. IE The important date to remember is the day of His Sacrificial death of which we know the exact day and even the hour! Think about it.
Ah but we do need something to brighten up a cold bleak dark time of year, surely we can come up with something , how about "the winter solstice" ( I think it was already thought of somewhere,huh?) Without involving "religion"???!
---1st_cliff on 12/17/09


Notice how false christians will reason around the subject. It's now a coincidence that their 'worship' of Christ falls on the same day as a pagan holy day. Don't you believe it- it's no coincidence. This heathen trap was sprung 100's of years ago.

Their saying 'we worship Christ' on Dec.25 is a smoke screen. Saying it's Jesus' birthday on Dec.25 is good PR for pagans and false christians.

Who in their right mind would celebrate a pagan festival to a false god called Mithra? Hardly anyone I would imagine. But to say it's the celebration and the birth of your Christ, well that's altogether very different, and far more palatable.

Don't be fooled by these people. December 25 is the most holiest of days on the pagan calendar.
---David8318 on 12/17/09


It heard it was stated that April 17, 6 BC (17/4/747 Roman Calendar) was the actual date that Jesus was born.
---Julie on 12/17/09


It matters when JESUS (YAHUSHUA) was born. If we love Him, we ought to care enough to find out His real Birth Date. We spend that much energy finding out other people's birth dates, and make ours known to others, in order to celebrate "on time". YAHUSHUA was born on Sukkot or the "Feast of Tabernacles". For, He walked the Earth in a temporary Tabernacle of Flesh and Blood. Being God-in-Flesh/"EMMANUEL". He was conceived by the Holy Spirit SHKHINYAH on Hanukkah, the "Festival of Lights", for, He is the Light that came into the World. But, because the actual GOD-given Calendar has the months timed according to the Lunar Cycle, every 30 days, the dates of Sukkot and Hanukkah will be different each year.
---Gordon on 12/17/09


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If worshiping Jesus on 25th December stamps us as pagan then by the same logic we are all in trouble as the name of every day of the week comes from pagan belief. Shall we worship Him on Wodensday or Thorsday (both pagan gods) or horror of horrors on on Friday 25th December 25th> Obviously a double whammy, it being named after the goddess Frigga. We'll all be rooned!

It is not the day we celebrate but the Lord Jesus Christ. That pagans worshiped some non-existant god on that day is irrelevant.

Let us make it another day. I could not care less, and I feel Jesus would agree. Who can suggest a day which is not in some way connected to some pagan deity?
---Warwick on 12/16/09


Nativity according to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ had to happen in late December...

It's not an issue I lose sleep over.
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if that were true why campaign so heavily for this version of "truth" for MOTHER RCC - creator of this day? and BOLDLY contradicting Holy Scripture with LIES?

RCC adopted ALL pagan traditions and on her authority she "christianized them" creating MANY TRADITIONS of MEN Mark 7:6-7

Per Holy Scripture God HATES pagan traditions and even WARNS not to mix pagan with HIM

celebrate and defend mortal mans xmas tradition - honor on xmas day is given to RCC and THEIR Christ 2Corin 4:11

any mention of Biblical Christ on xmas is in vain
---Rhonda on 12/16/09


as a believer I surely wonder what in the world is ,or why in the world does irrelevant questions seemingly of such importance always being asked? The date of our lords birth,atleast to me is secondary to the fact that he was born,and really to me of little consequence,but as with so many other issues that people give credence to,many of which are blatantly obvious not only on this site, but in general within the church,and rampant in the world,makes me wonder just how many people realize what really is important,or worse yet whether they even care to know.
---tom2 on 12/17/09


Jesus's birth is scripturally recorded on the night of December 25th, 5 B.C. in a lodging in the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, of Judaea.
---Eloy on 12/17/09


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Jesus was born in Early Sept. during the High Holy Days. Either on Yom Kippur (the holiest of God holidays)or Sukkot(Feast of the Booths).

During this time Christians would recognized him within the observances of The 10 Days of Awe. It would generally not be celebrated.

The Paganist and Willfully Ignorant Psuedo Carnals, who use our name "Christian" as a facade and in Blaspheme.

These are the Worhippers of the Pagan Roman Emperor Constantine will observe Dec. 25th and make up endless intellectual reasons and excuses to cover themselves.

Their excuses will last a nano-second in front of the Judge, as he will tossed these heretical pagans (who Blaspheme His Sons Name) in the lake of fire right after!
---PASTOR_JIM on 12/16/09


No December was not the month Jesus was born, I believe it was in September
---a_friend on 12/16/09


Was Jesus born on December 25? No.

Neither does it matter when he was born. If it did matter, the Bible would tell us the exact date as it does for his death- Nissan 14, which does matter.

However, the date December 25 does matter a great deal to pagans masquerading as christians. Not that Christ matters to such ones, but rather the DATE- December 25 for pagans is important for historical anti-Christ reasons. These people will not move their festival to any other date on their calendar. It has got to be, must always, without question be on December 25. They will not budge from this date or have it on any other day.

The account in Luke and scriptural evidence from Chronicles points to Jesus being born early October.
---David8318 on 12/16/09


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