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Keeping Saturday Sabbath

Should we keep the Sabbath on the correct day, why or why not?

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Tell you what, Francis.

You be holy just on the Sabbath.

And I'll try to be holy on EVERY day.
---Cluny on 12/25/09


Francis -//Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Interesting from the KJV but upon checking with other versions as well as the Greek-English Interlinear, I find it really makes no reference to Gentiles at all.

"And going out= as they went out, them they besought in the intervening sabbath (week)to be spoken to them these words."

But I suppose it is possible this synagogue was an open forum in which Gentiles could be part of the audience as Christian missionaries were controversial. We have to remember the dislike Jews and Gentiles had for each other. Jews were not to associate with Gentiles unless necessary.
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09


Francis -Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the NEXT SABBATH.

The word 'Gentiles' is NOT in the Greek from which the KJV was translated. See my post on this one.

Paul preached in the Jewish synagogues because he had a audience that gathered on the Sabbath. The rest of the week they were scattered working at their occupations.

In any case, the early church was largely Jewish and they did continue to follow the Mosaic customs but circumcision - the rite of entrance into Judaism - was not imposed on Gentile converts.Acts 15

Becoming circumcised would have obligated Gentiles to observe the Jewish Sabbath.
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09


//Are you constantly looking for ways to get around the Law, or do you love Him enough to at least try to obey?

Asfor the law, would God would be totally pleased if we simply loved our neighbor in accordance to Romans 13:9-10

"The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

NO, NO, NO says the legalists, the translators of the Bible errored. Love of neighbor DOES NOT NOT NOT fulfill the law as we must also observe the OT Sabbath (Jerry, Gina, trav,et al), and all the laws Of Moses(=Paul9594).
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09


Kathr4453:

U said:
When Paul taught this he was not talking about keeping the Law, but being obedient unto death.///

The full context is:

1Cr 11:1 Be ye imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you that ye REMEMBER ME in all things, and hold fast the TRADITIONS (of Torah), even as I delivered them TO YOU. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ....


Paul never said in this verse be obedient unto death!

He said Imitate the Traditions he (Paul) keepts, which were of the Torah!

Have you been told the true full story of Paul's teachings?
---Paul9594 on 12/24/09




Jerry //Are you constantly looking for ways to get around the Law, or do you love Him enough to at least try to obey?

When you have Jesus in your life and walk with or abide in Him constantly, the law really is no longer a concern.

On the other hand, I really wish you Jerry would study Galatians as the law is referred to there as a schoolmaster (or guardian) until we could be justified by faith in Christ. Thereafter the guardian (the law) has served it purpose - now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,(4.25)

If you do that,most of your spiritual problems would be solved since you would be free in Christ.
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09


BE YE IMITATORS OF ME, EVEN AS I ALSO AM OF CHRIST.

---Paul9594 on 12/23/09

Paul9594, when Paul taught this he was not talking about keeping the Law, but being obedient unto death. Hebrews says Jesus learned obedience from teh things he suffered....He certainly didn't have to learn to keep teh LAW of Moses..and struggle trying to keep it.

Philippians 2...keeping this mind in you tht was also in Christ Jesus....who became obedient unto death....we too walk as He walked...crucified with Christ, becoming obedient unto death of SELF!!! Remember Not my will, but THINE be done! God's will was not Jesus keeping the TORAH, but dying on a Cross for the forgivness of sin.
---kathr4453 on 12/24/09


Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the NEXT SABBATH.

Acts 13:44 And the NEXT SABBATHday came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Has it ever occured to you that if the early church were meeting on sundays, that this entire Gentile population would not have to wait until NEXT SABBATH, but rather next day?

why wait until NEXT SABBATH why not just meet with the church NEXT DAY?
---Francis on 12/24/09


Did godly men of the Bible seek to break as many of God's laws as possible, and still get away with it, or did they seek to obey Him to the fullest extent possible? How about you. Are you constantly looking for ways to get around the Law, or do you love Him enough to at least try to obey?
---jerry6593 on 12/24/09


Are those under the Mosaic legislation considered to be in bondage?

YES, YES, YES, for scripture tells us -

Galatians 4:22f For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.
But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. (given to Abraham)
Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai,(where they got the 10 commandments) bearing children for slavery, she is Hagar.

Paul9495 - hope this truth drives you back to the drawing board as you really need a better paradigm
---Lee1538 on 12/24/09




God was the very first Sabbath keeper. He created the day AND designated it for rest. When His Son entered the world, He continued to keep it holy, just as His Father had. I keep Sabbath, not because I feel forced to do do so, but because I actually enjoy resting on the day He made for me. It's a gift that I appreciate.

Can I rest on any other day? Sure! And often times I do. But if the Father made the 7th day for that purpose, who am I to tell him that I'm going to consistently neglect to rest on His day and pick another one, instead?

Is every day holy? No, not in this sense. This means 'set apart'. And, in this case, set apart to rest. If I tried to keep every day set apart for rest, I'd never get anything done.
---AlwaysOn on 12/24/09


Jesus did the "works of God" (John 6:28) and told us that we should do them simply by trusting that what He did is completely sufficient(John 9:3).

There is no more sabbath DAY, Jesus is our refuge/sabbath REST.

The Israelites never placed their trust in the promised Messiah. They chose not to await the FULFILLMENT of the PROMISE, but instead made devotion a business of selling sacrifices (they never "believed").

IF in fact a person DOES believe, the person will choose Jesus as the sabbath rest (refuge) and will be spiritually INside Jesus's body as a "new creation".

Jude 1:5
"he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe".
---more_excellent_way on 12/24/09


Hebrews 4:3
"we who have believed enter that rest..."...."As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall never enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world".

Psalm 37:39
"the righteous...verse 40...."take refuge INside Him".

Psalm 119,123........the Israelites were not......
"watching for thy salvation, and for the fulfilment of thy righteous promise".

They failed to receive a sabbath "REST" because they chose not to trust in the promised Messiah (they only observed a sabbath "DAY", not a sabbath REST).

"there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God" (Hebrews 4:9).

...from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 12/24/09


Paul9594 //He (Paul) keeps Torah LIKE CHRIST tells others to IMITATE him, BUT then He teaches against the Torah?

No,Paul's goal was to preach the Gospel, not the Torah laws.

1Co 9:16b For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!

To accomplish this -

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to them under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law, To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 2 Cor. 9:21f
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Paul9594 -//Mar 3:4 And HE saith unto them, Is it lawful on the sabbath day to DO GOOD .

All those prohibitions of the Sabbath are COMMANDS directly from the Torah. If you are under the Torah you MUST obey them if you are to observe the Sabbath.

Either you agree with what the Torah commands or you do not.

If you truly desire to keep the Sabbath, then you do not light a fire on that day even to cook your food, nor do you do any works whatsoever, nor do you buy or sell anything for any reason, and you MUST stay home.

While the Pharisees did elaborate considerably on these prohibition commands,
you still have some sort of obligation to observe them if you are under the Torah.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Gordon, true good points on the Sabbath!

Yes, it's according to what the believer understands, up to the point that our Father shows believer the Truth, then he tests believer to see if believer shows His respect/love for Him by beign obedient to the Truth revealed to him/her!

If for some reason Truth does not come to that believer, this is forgiven by his blood, but only if believer is truly connected to Him by Faith, and there is EVIDENCE in his/her walk!!!
---Paul9594 on 12/23/09


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RE: Sabbath Prohibitions:

Lee, are u a Pharisee? You teach like one.

With Christ Words u take out the pettiness of Pharisees, twisting Sabbath.:


1. Exodus 35:1,3 (if the pilot lite on the furnace goes out, you freeze until sundown saturday)


Mar 3:4 And HE saith unto them, Is it lawful on the sabbath day to DO GOOD .

2. Do not carry a load. Jer.17:27, Neh.1:15(no giving the kid a horsey back ride)


Mar 3:4 And HE saith Is it lawful on the sabbath day to DO GOOD .

Think of Sabbath as a day/date with your Father, to strength relationship resting with Him or doing His work!! This is just one of the Spiritual intents of the Sabbath, there is more
---Paul9594 on 12/23/09


Mark_Eaton:

I have NEVER ADMITTED to not studying the book of Galatians.

Where does it say the Law is BONDAGE, in the Word? ONLY in your mind!!

Paul the apostle, approx. 30 yrs. INTO THE CHURCH AGE, AFTER AFTER the resurrection of Christ, to the ears of GENTILES CONVERTS, TEACHES:

1 Corinthians 11:1

BE YE IMITATORS OF ME, EVEN AS I ALSO AM OF CHRIST.

Christ KEPT even the least Commandments. Mathew 5:17-20

Paul INSTRUCTS gentile converts to imitate Him, Paul Kept Law/Torah LIKE CHRIST.


Was Paul nuts? He keeps Torah LIKE CHRIST tells others to IMITATE him, BUT then He teaches against the Torah?

How is your interpretation correct? OR ARE U OF: 2Peter 3:16
---Paul9594 on 12/23/09


Please print:

Augustine actually stated that Christians are bound to keep 9 of the ten Commandments because the New Testament repeats and re-introduces them in a different form but are free to break the Sabbath!

The earliest Christians never considered Sunday to be a rest day or the Sabbath day to begin with. You will observe that the first mention of Sunday being a day of rest was in 220AD by Origen. This is the beginning of the current false doctrine, that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as taught by most churches today.

Maybe this is where all this misguided conversation is coming from. The Sabbath was a day of rest, not worship. Therefore Sunday is a day of WORSHIP, not rest!!!
---kathr4453 on 12/23/09


I think one of the two days should be set aside for rest and worship.

My church has both Saturday and Sunday services.

That works out good for people with a Sunday work schedule.

I would also say that 1/2 of each day could be set aside.
I have been known to follow that schedule on weekends with housework chores to complete.
---obewan on 12/23/09


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Interestingly enough the Sabbath established as a day of REST, not worship. So, anyone traveling more than x number of miles was forbidden by the of the sabbath rest. You couldn't ever pick up a stick,or you would be stoned to death.

Those who believe they are bound by the Sabbath rest are also bound by ALL the Law.

The Sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath. Israel under LAW WORKED to keep the Law, food restrictions,cook the day before, collect manna the day before to keep through the Sabbath. A RESTED from ALL their work. Sabbath keepers today do not come close to keeping a Biblical Sabbath.

Christ Himself is our Manna, our rest, our life. We rest in HIS finished work upon the cross.
---kathr4453 on 12/23/09


\\
I wonder how many people actually know that the commandment to keep the sabbath is only one out of ten?

Why not ask: "Should we keep all ten commandments?"\\

Actually, it's only one out of 613.

Do these people who are so concerned about the Saturday Sabbath keep the other 612 commandments?

Why do they limit them to ten?

Why do they pick and choose about which of the 613 commandments are still binding? They are part of the Law as well!
---Cluny on 12/23/09


When God made the 7 days he never named them. Man did. He did rest on the seventh day, but as long as we put 1 day aside then the day itself doesn't matter. I thought it did too, however we are not under the law of the Jews, for we are gentiles coming into Gods family. For example my husband works both sat & sun, so his day of rest/worship is his day off. Usually a
Monday.
---candice on 12/23/09


RE: Sabbath Prohibitions:

1. Do not build a fire on the Sabbath - Exodus 35:1,3 (if the pilot lite on the furnace goes out, you freeze until sundown saturday)

2. Do not carry a load. Jer.17:27, Neh.1:15(no giving the kid a horseyback ride)

3. Do not buy or sell. (Too bad honey we are out of bread and the kids are straving). Neh. 10:31, Amos 8:5ff

4. Do not do your pleasure on the Sabbath.Isa. 58:13,14 (turn off the TV)

5. Stay home on the Sabbath. EX. 16:29 (you can have company as long as you do not serve refreshments)

6. Do not bake or boil food on the Sabbath. Ex. 16:23 (you need do it b4 Friday nite)

7. Do not do any work. Ex. 20:10 (spill something that will stain the carpet, just too bad).
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


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"the time is coming and now is when the true worshipers shall worship not in Jerusalem nor on this mount but in Spirit and in Truth
For God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.."

we do not reserve worshiping the Lord to any special day anymore

we worship EVERY DAY

That surpasses setting just one day aside

Jesus came to show us the meaning of the laws.... It was not to create bondage like the Pharisees tried to make it... but to create fellowship between man and God
---patie3447 on 12/23/09


Gordon -//We should keep the Sabbath on the 7th Day, because that was GOD's Design in the first place.

We certainly have that option according to Romans 14:5-6, however, there is NO COMMAND given in Scripture that tells us we MUST observe any day as holy.

Christians gather on Sunday, the Lord's day (according to the early church writers), as a tradition established by the Apostles and their immediate successors and we are COMMANDED to observe those traditions.

2 Thess. 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

It is easy to see that truth from any casual reading of the early church writings.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


I think Galatians is one of those books that certain people love to read because they THINK it gives them license to sin. ---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


Jerry, yes Peter backs up Paul. How wonderful. Those things HARD to understand in Galatians would be Galatians 2:20 & 21.

Being crucified with Christ, or as Colossians 2 state Circumcised with the Circumcision of Christ (remember circumcision was on the 8th day) forshaddowing again The NEW DAY, The Lords Day... We are a NEW Creation in the NEW Creation represented by the 8th day....putting off the body of the sin of the flesh or putting off completely our old Adam 1 and no longer tied to anything Adam 1 was bound to. WE are now IN Christ...bound by HIS LIFE in us.
---kathr4453 on 12/23/09


Jerry - //Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Interesting from the KJV but upon checking with other versions as well as the Greek-English Interlinear, I find it really makes no reference to Gentiles at all.

"And going out= as they went out, them they besought in the intervening sabbath (week)to be spoken to them these words."

But I suppose it is possible that this synagogue was an open forum in which Gentiles could be part of the audience as Christian missionaries were controversial. We have to remember the dislike Jews and Gentiles had for each other. Jews were not to associate with Gentiles unless necessary.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


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Jerry //I think Galatians is one of those books that certain people love to read because they THINK it gives them license to sin.

Do Christians love to sin? Perhaps you are being very presumptuous?

While it is true Peter did state there were some things hard to understand about Paul's writings, it has become clear the legalists (those that advocate Sabbath keeping, etc.) have the most problems with Paul, as for instance, they really do not know what to do about Galatians speaking of the law as being our schoolmaster (or guardian) UNTIL we could be justified by faith, THEREAFTER we no longer under the schoolmaster. Gal. 3:24f

Do you want to take a crack at what the Spirit was saying in that chapter?
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Kathr: "WHO was Paul reasoning with, but Jews who rejected Jesus."

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


I think Galatians is one of those books that certain people love to read because they THINK it gives them license to sin. However, they misunderstand it because, as Peter said:

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


Are u sure your in the New Covenant?
---Paul9594 on 12/22/09

What are you trying to do, bring condemnation upon those who do not agree with you?

You have admitted that you have never studied the Book of Galatians. I would suggest that you stop posting now because you are not handling the word of God correctly. You are using only part of it.

How can you agree with the NT when it says:

Gal 5:14 "For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

and then try to put us in bondage again to the Law.

Brother, you are in error.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/23/09


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--Paul9594, the Sabbath was put in place given to ISRAEL part of the LAW of Moses, and all that had to do with the LAW was done away IN CHRIST.

Do you sacrifice animals? Of coarse not. AS Jesus fulfilled that law and was the LAMB of God once and for all for the sin of the whole world. The Lamb rose from the Dead, and now sits at the right hand of the Father. The Sabbath TOO pointed to Christ and was fulfilled in the death and resurrection of Christ. If you prefer the sabbath, you prefer a day when Christ was still in the Grave, not the Day He rose, called the LORDS DAY, as is spoken in Revelation 1..John was in the Spirit on the LORDS DAY...not the Sabbath.
---kathr4453 on 12/23/09


We should keep the Sabbath on the 7th Day, because that was GOD's Design in the first place. The 7th Day is the Day GOD Himself chose for mankind. It's spelled out in Genesis and in Exodus 20:8. And YAHUSHUA (JESUS) Himself observed that Day, in obedience. And, the Apostles and other followers, including Gentile believers, observed that 7th Day also, as recorded in the Book of Acts. GOD holds each believer accountable for what he or she knows. If a believer ONLY knows about Sunday as a "sabbath", do they keep that day holy? But, when a "Sunday believer" learns about the True 7th Day Sabbath, will they obey what they have learned? It's about OBEDIENCE. Yes, even under Grace, we are still obligated to obey GOD.
---Gordon on 12/23/09


Paul9594

2 Timothy 2:19 But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: 'The Lord knows those who are his,' and, 'Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.'

I could not agree more with this verse as not only does the Lord does know those who are his, it is by His Spirit they are chastised so they will depart from iniquity.

Hebrews 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.

Where our difference lie is what is iniquity?

To you it is simply a violation of OT laws not applicable to the New Covenant, like physical circumcision, observance of days, new moons, etc. Col. 2:16

You have not convinced others such laws are applicable.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Lee: "Jerry did not know this"

I merely quoted scripture. You continue to argue against scripture. Your "theories" about being "free from the law - free to sin" are from mere men - not from the Bible.
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


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Good points, Francis!
---jerry6593 on 12/23/09


I think Galatians is one of those books that certain people refuse to read because it causes them to doubt their beliefs. Its a humbling book, but one that helps you truly understand the depths of Gods mercy. I know I wasnt the same after I read it.

How anyone can read it and still make their boast in Gods laws is simply amazing to me.

We have all fallen off the ladder of righteousness and will never be able to make it to the top unless we allow God in Christ to set us up there Himself.

If your enemy were to give you a free gift and it touched your heart, how do you respond?
---JackB on 12/23/09


Mark_Eaton:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

Isaiah 8:16 Bind thou up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Are u His disciple,should we listen to apostates or true Prophets?


2Timothy 2:19 Howbeit the firm foundation of God standeth, HAVING HIS SEAL HAVING HIS SEAL, The Lord knoweth THEM THAT ARE HIS: and, Let every one that nameth the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.


Are u sure your in the New Covenant?
---Paul9594 on 12/22/09


Paul9594 - Why do you think the Christians who did not have faith in keeping the Law by power of the Holy Spirit and His blood, Hear Matthew 7:21-23?

I suggest you HEAR Galatians 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

We are not longer under the law (the Torah) as believers have been justified by faith. Nothing could be more plain.

(continued)
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


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Kathr4453:

The entire gospel was preached to the Jew, why not do away with that?

Who chooses what is just for Jew apostates?

Did Christ message change AFTER AFTER His resurrection? NO,

Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made( Gospel of Luke), O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began BOTH TO DO AND TEACH AND TEACH,

Act 1:2 UNTIL THE DAY, UNTIL THE DAY in which HE WAS TAKEN UP, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
---Paul9594 on 12/22/09


Paul9594 And what about works or obedience to the law.

Hear Ephesians 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

And it is that indwelling Holy Spirit "who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure". Php. 2:13.

Follow that Spirit instead of the Old Torah laws, many of which belong ONLY to the Old Covenant and not the New.

As for distributing bibles, tracks etc, I will continue to do that since He has called me into that ministry and I do see people come to faith as a result. My boast is in the Lord, not in what I do. 1Cor.1:31
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


Oh boy, Francis, is on the right track, to surround men in positions in the body of Christ not allowed in times past!!!

Women teaching the apostasy of our day do not qualify TO SURROUND MEN.

But the Headship of the Body of Christ remains OF MALES, who fear and love the Father, of 144,000 Apostles with great power and Authority,leading us back to remember truth, gathering the very elect,which ultimately cannot be deceived, AT SOME POINT as the very elect u will be plucked out,from apostasy!

Scripture PROOF on 144,000 TO include MEN ONLY of ALL nations, NOT just JEWS, coming up.

Men STEP UP, with the mind of Christ!

Man the Glory of these days of the end age!!!
---Paul9594 on 12/22/09


No need to observe Sabbath today. In the old testament they observed strictly...because the coming of Christ was not yet fulfilled. Jew taught that if they observe sabbath they pleased God. Sabbath is pointing to Jesus to come.

Luke 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
---ROSALIE on 12/22/09


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Luk 23:54-56 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. ---.

Ans: Jesus had not yet risen.


Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Ans: TO JEWS ONLY who have rejected Christ during the Great Tribulation.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,


ANS: WHO was Paul reasoning with, but Jews who rejected Jesus.

Sunday sacredness is but a man-made counterfeit.
---jerry6593 on 12/22/09

Ans: Sunday represents the Day Christ ROSE from the dead. The 8th Day...a NEW DAY! We don't worship a DAY but the very Person of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 12/22/09


Every now and again, this issue of keeping the sabbath comes up.

I wonder how many people actually know that the commandment to keep the sabbath is only one out of ten?

Why not ask: "Should we keep all ten commandments?"

Why not admit that to break even one of the ten commandments is sin. (james 2:8-12)

Why not ask: Did Jesus come to change the law?

Why not recall that Jesus said: Not one jot or tittle would be removed until everything is fulfilled?

Why not realize that in the New heavens and thenew earth, all believers will keep the sabbath?

Why not understand, that if all believers will keep the sabbath in heaven, the sabbath is not done away with, but Law of God is eternal?
---Francis on 12/22/09


JackB, Lee1538, Children of the Father:


All under the law, those without Christ it's a curse to them, THEY CANNOT fulfill it,and wages of sin is death.

But 4 the Christian who HAS FAITH in the power of the cross, is empowered to walk after the commandments TO THEIR SPIRITUAL INTENT!!!

Why do you think the Christians who did not have faith in keeping the Law by power of the Holy Spirit and His blood, Hear Matthew 7:21-23?
They present their case of MIGHTY WORKS, woman pastoring,teaching, distributing bibles,tracks etc, STILL HEAR DEPART FROM ME!


The book of Romans is ABOUT:

The Torah's role being different for the Christian Rom 3:31, and 4 unsaved a curse!!

---Paul9594 on 12/22/09


Were the Laws kept in Genesis, more than natural moral laws, and of Mt. Sinai?

Yes!!!!

Genesis 38:6-10 .Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
How did Judah know it was Onan's duty to lie with his brother's wife to produce offspring? Who taught him this portion of the Torah? Notice the Torah describes this command!!!

Deuteronomy 25:5-6 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her,

Surprised?
---Paul9594 on 12/22/09


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Luk 23:54-56 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Obviously the women had no knowledge of why God had His Son go to the Cross.

Jerry did not know this BUT -

But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem (release, liberate, free, emancipate, deliver, rescue) those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. (Gal. 4:4-5)

When are you going to read Galatians?
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


Paul9594:

You totally missed the meaning of Heb 4:9-11 and got stuck on a "Sabbath rest remains".

Yes, a rest for us believers remains but it is not the Sabbath rest. Heb 4 says to enter into His rest.

His rest is the finished work of creation and the cross. The complete plan of salvation from the beginning of the world. When we accept Jesus by faith, we enter into that rest by depending on Him for everything: strength, provision, growth, transformation, salvation, redemption, and reconciliation.

When we are in His rest there is nothing more we can do, because His works are completed, therefore so are ours. We are resting in HIS completed works.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/22/09


The Bible speaks of other Sabbaths than the weekly sabbath.

Le 25:4 but in the seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of solemn rest for the land, a Sabbath to the LORD. You shall not sow your field or prune your vineyard.

And the Bible speaks of the plural -

2Ch 8:13 as the duty of each day required, offering according to the commandment of Moses for the Sabbaths, the new moons, and the three annual feaststhe Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Booths.
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


\\ Cluny: "The Bible nowhere talks about two kinds of Sabbaths.

This is a tradition and precept of men, like the supposed distinction between "moral law" and "ceremonial law"."

Your worldly biblical knowledge is showing agian.\\

In other words, I show you where you're wrong, since you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.

\\"In any case, what day do we get to keep in an UNHOLY manner since Christ has come?"

Can you rephrase that?\\

Is English not your first language? What about this question do you not udnerstand?
---Cluny on 12/22/09


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Gabby: "After the Cross,He became our Sabbath......."

Luk 23:54-56 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Sunday sacredness is but a man-made counterfeit.
---jerry6593 on 12/22/09


It is interesting that when the New Testament lists sins, Sabbath breaking is conspicuously absent:

In Mk 7.21f sins are listed but Jesus did not mention breaking the Sabbath.

In Romans 1:29f sins are listed and not one of them is Sabbath breaking.

In Galatians 5:19f a list of 15 sins is given but none of them is sabbath breaking.

In Timothy 3:1f there is a list of 16 sins, but not once is Sabbath breaking mentioned.

There is really no other logical conclusion that can be reached except that Sabbath breaking is not a sin.
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09


Mark_eaton:

ABOUT Hebrews 4:9-11
To change "a Sabbath remains" to Sabbath been left behind' requires evidence, which has not been given.

You need to validate the switch you make giving a valid exegesis as to why the change from "a Sabbath rest remains" to Sabbath is no longer, reading. The change from "a Sabbath remains" to "has been left behind" is a change from an 'intransitive verb' to a 'transitive verb'. which SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERS the grammatical structures of the sentence. There is more maybe later.
---Paul9594 on 12/21/09


Sabbath seems to be for israel by the fact the apostle paul mentions it ony one time to my recollection
---michael_e on 12/21/09


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Cluny: "The Bible nowhere talks about two kinds of Sabbaths.

This is a tradition and precept of men, like the supposed distinction between "moral law" and "ceremonial law"."

Your worldly biblical knowledge is showing agian.

"In any case, what day do we get to keep in an UNHOLY manner since Christ has come?"

Can you rephrase that?
---Steveng on 12/21/09


cluny wrote: The commandment enjoined ABSTINENCE FROM WORK--one that extended even to slaves and farm animals.

Sign me up! I love keeping the Sabbath if it means I don't have to do any work whatsoever, even house-work.

Seriously, who wouldn't want to set aside time every day to rest and spend with the Lord? His Presence is absoutely Glorious, so is He.
---Donna on 12/21/09


>Sabbath for Jews only?

The Sabbath was made at Creation, long before there ever was a Jew and as Dr. William Mead Jones has shown with his "Chart of the Week" the name of the seventh day is known as "sabbath" in over 100 languages. The languages were created at the Tower of Babel incident.
---djconklin on 12/21/09


Paul9594:

What does the writer of Hebrews mean by this:

Heb 4:9-11 "So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience".

There is a new rest for believers.

This new rest is for today and for every day. This new rest as the verse says, is given to us when we enter into His rest. We enter into His rest by believing in Him every day, every second. However, we must be careful to not grow weary in well-doing.

Be diligent to believe and trust in His rest.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/21/09


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Steveng:

It's nice that you believe that Adam and Eve kept the sabbath, but can you show any actual evidence that they (or, indeed, anyone before Moses) kept the Sabbath, other than mere conjecture and extrapolation? The Sabbath is first mentioned in Exodus. Genesis 2 mentions God resting on the seventh day after creation, but no more mention of "seven" with respect to "day" or anything similar appears until Exodus as well.

Note also that under Moses, breaking the sabbath was serious, carrying the death penalty. Contrast this with new testament lists of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and others), and sabbath-breaking is conspicuously absent.
---StrongAxe on 12/21/09


Rhonda:

I can see your against the apostasy of our day, as you understand it, this is good.

But Romans 7:12, does not mean just the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

Deut. 31:26 Take this book of THE LAW, and put it by the SIDE of the ARK of the COVENANT of Jehovah your FATHER, that it may be there for a WITNESS against thee.

The rest of the Law is also a witness against His people.

As the understanding grows in the Christian He/she should follow Christ even into the least commandments. Matthew 5:17-20

Was the Gospel just for the Jew? Didn't Christ gather His other sheep and joined them to His one fold of Sheep? John 10:16


Father bless u.



---Paul9594 on 12/21/09


//Sabbath for Jews only?

One needs to distinguish between the Old Covenant given at Mt. Sinai with its ministry of death & condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7) and the New Covenant of the church.

The Sabbath commandment is NOT found anyplace in the New Covenant of the Church. Like circumcision, it was not mandated for Christians. If it was not a law Christians needed to obey, then there can be no sin in not observing it.

And we should realize that the immediate successors of the Apostles did not teach it as we can see that from the very earliest writings of the church.

Nor do we see any conviction of breaking the Jewish Sabbath anyplace in the lives of God's saints.

So what other conclusion can be realized?
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09


\\Your worldly knowledge of scripture is weakening. There are two types of sabbaths: one, THE Sabbath which God blessed on the seventh day and, two, all the other sabbaths in which were given to the Jews.\\

The Bible nowhere talks about two kinds of Sabbaths.

This is a tradition and precept of men, like the supposed distinction between "moral law" and "ceremonial law".

In any case, what day do we get to keep in an UNHOLY manner since Christ has come?
---Cluny on 12/21/09


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"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath."
---Eloy on 12/21/09


Sabbath for Jews only? 2/2

Word teaches, "Sin is the TRANSGRESSION of the Law ", not making the least impression sin IS JEWISH." How is breaking the Sabbath not a Sin for Christians?

His rest day after creation of world and of MAN, not creation of the Jewish world, how is the Sabbath JEWISH?

Some refuse to keep Sabbath, because ITS JEWISH, why not just refuse Christ, "HE'S JEWISH!!!"

For the Sabbath commandment Father said, REMEMBER

"REMEMBER, REMEMBER the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.

But some Christians forget, what REMEMBER means, some say it means to FORGET the Sabbath!!
---Paul9594 on 12/20/09


\\"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Mar 2:27>Exd 20:8,11\\

josef, do you keep the 612 other commandments as well, including the kashuroth (dietary laws) and nidda (marital purity), or do you pick and choose among which of God's commandments you will observe?
---Cluny on 12/20/09


//Should we keep the Sabbath on the correct day, why or why not?

It is not mandated in the New Covenant of the church. As far as observing any day, Roman 14:5 is very clear that the observance of any day is optional.

"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

To observe the Jewish Sabbath one would have to 'esteem one day as beter than another' whereas one may 'esteem all days as alike'.

And from the writings of the early church it is obvious that the Apostles & their successors did not require it of Gentiles.
---Lee1538 on 12/20/09


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BUT--Galatians warns that if you adopt Jewish practices, Christ will do you NO GOOD!
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"Jewish practices" were 613 Mosaic Laws blotted out by Christ

Galatians addresses works of the law and faith in Christ

nomos ergon Greek term for law of the works ...ergon is Greek word for law of works or sacrificial rituals ....nomos is Greek word for law can mean Law of Moses

Pauls letter discusses Jewish converts expecting Gentile converts to adhere to physical rituals - 613 Mosaic Laws

Gods Holy Perfect Just Laws are HIS Ten Commandments Rom 7:12 NEVER part of Laws of Moses USED to OBEY Gods Laws

RCC established suns-day BOLDLY DECLARES ALL who disobey Gods Holy Sabbath SERVE HER
---Rhonda on 12/20/09


Sabbath for Jews only? 1/2

Father established AND sanctified His day of rest/Sabbath in the week of creation of the whole world and of MAN, so how is that the Sabbath,JEWISH?

Christ said, Sabbath was made for MAN" -- How is it JEWISH?

If from the BIBLE we present, The Sabbath's meaning and intent, is the BIBLE the Word of the Jewish or of the Father? So ultimately, how is the Sabbath JEWISH."

(I do respect the Jews with their place according to His plans!!)
---Paul9594 on 12/20/09


Cluny: "ALL the holidays of Old Israel were called Sabbaths. So you don't pick and choose which of the Sabbaths you observe. BUT--Galatians warns that if you adopt Jewish practices, Christ will do you NO GOOD!"

Your worldly knowledge of scripture is weakening. There are two types of sabbaths: one, THE Sabbath which God blessed on the seventh day and, two, all the other sabbaths in which were given to the Jews.

The seventh day Sabbath was given to all mankind. The Jews/Israelites didn't exist until hundreds of years later. Adam and Eve observed the seventh day Sabbath and they were not Jews/Israelites .
---Steveng on 12/20/09


The answer is YES, but it has to be the correct day for us

David, some, whose public service requires them to work both on your Sabbath, Saturday, and on that of most Christians, Sunday, may keep another day as their Sabbath, say Wednesday.

Of course the other questionj that needs to be asked ... "What is keeping the Sabbath?" Jesus did not keep it in the way that your legalistic attitude would require.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/20/09


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Should we keep the Sabbath on the correct day, why or why not?

We have to rightly divide the word,
Before the Cross we kept the Sabbath on a day
After the Cross,He became our Sabbath.......I rest in Him everyday
Gabbyt6487
---Gabby on 12/20/09


What do you mean by "keeping the Sabbath"?

If you read the commandment as actually given, it has nothing to do with worship. Services were held in the Tabernacle, Temples, and still in traditional Synagogues TWICE daily, not just on the Sabbath.

The commandment enjoined ABSTINENCE FROM WORK--one that extended even to slaves and farm animals.

Furthermore, it's not just the weekly one that is called Sabbath (which means "cessation" in Hebrew, not Saturday).

ALL the holidays of Old Israel were called Sabbaths.

So you don't pick and choose which of the Sabbaths you observe.

BUT--Galatians warns that if you adopt Jewish practices, Christ will do you NO GOOD!
---Cluny on 12/19/09


"Should we keep the Sabbath on the correct day, why or why not?"
Yes, the seventh day.
Why? Because "The Sabbath was made for man" and man is instructed to:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Mar 2:27>Exd 20:8,11
---Josef on 12/20/09


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