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Is God In Control

Is it true that God has a hand that everything that happens in our life? I have come to regret giving my husband a second chance believing in his promise that he's a changed man. I have lost faith in the goodness of people. I am miserable and I hate him.

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Alan, I will try to explain this. God speaks to us through His word. Through His word He tells us all that has happen, is happening and will happen. This is for the believer. From the start He states His sovereign power, creating all that came to pass. He begins with the story of Adam and Eve. He explains that man given free will could not of himself save himself. He shows us what happened when man was given free will. Then, He showed us what He did because of that failure. (Remember, this is not God's failure but man given free will) He put the curse on all descendants of Adam, but with that curse, He was going to display His Mercy by making a way out through His Son, but this time He would take matters into His own hands.
---MarkV. on 12/30/09


Alan #2, Why? Because as soon as Adam sinned, spiritual death and later physical death came. All fallen people are heading to hell for rebelling against God. And only through a supernatural act of God man could become born again, brought to spiritual life. Without rebirth man continues the same. Rebelling against God, not able to understand spiritual matters. So God takes the initiative and makes us come alive to spiritual matters. God moves on through Scripture telling us how man always fail and how much they He is needed. Let me say also that without the fall, God would not have been able to display His Mercy, His love, His justice, His holiness, His Character etc. Only through this plan that He chose He was able to do all that He will to do.
---MarkV. on 12/30/09


MarkV "There is a distinction between God's desire and His eternal saving purpose, which must transcend His desires" Another contradiction!!

So God must do something which is against His own desire? It is you imposing your rules on Him

"God does not want people to remain wicked forever in eternal remorse and hatred for Himself" So why (in your doctrine)does He withold from them the opportunity to repent and avoid that fate?

"Yet, God, for His own glory, and to manifest that glory in wrath, chose to endure "vessels" prepared for distruction for the supreme fulfillment of His will" .... And He made them so, just to prove his "glory" !!! What a monster.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/30/09


to markv
control how? look at what happened to those people in waco tx & jonestown. they left the church in body bags. in the book of ruth, she took control of her life. she did not sit down & feel sorry for herself (herself-you might say that self is a sin) & started gleaning. the blind man in luke 18:35 he took control of himself by crying out for healing. you are one of the people who said to the blind man to 'shut up'.
your answer is a one-verse-one-sentence-blanket-approach.
---mike on 12/30/09


to markV
are those prosperity preachers prosperous bec. god is in control of their lives or they exploited & perverted malachi?
who is in control of their lives god or money?
in 2 samuel 12 joab said, be courageous! let us fight bravely for our people & for our cities & for our god.

did joab & his soldiers just sit down & let god fight for them? if they just sit down & let god fight for them (god is in control) they will be overrun by their enemies are you going to say 'ye lack faith?
I think you need to understand reality before you say something.
---mike on 12/30/09




Jack B, #2: In His eternal purpose, he chose only the elect out of the world (John 17:6) and passed over the rest, leaving them to the consequences of their sin, unbelief, and rejection of Christ (Rom. 1:18-32). When they knew God through creation, they did not honor Him as God. Ultimately, God's choices are determined by His sovereign, eternal purpose, not His desires.
Second argument is that every writer when He writes speaks from his own heart as he is guided by the Spirit. Here Paul would never say that God wants man to go to hell. He wants to bring the gospel. As we know God is Omnipotent always. He never stops been Omnipotent. If He wanted to save everyone, His plan would have been to save everyone.
---MarkV. on 12/30/09


yes he is,but the real problem is people are out of control.
---tom2 on 12/30/09


The Greek word for "desires" is not which normally expresses God's will of decree (His eternal purpose), but God's will of desire. There is a distinction between God's desire and His eternal saving purpose, which must transcend His desires. God does not want men to sin, for He hates sin with all His being (Pss. 5:4, 45:7), thus, He hates its consequences-eternal wickedness in hell. ETC, ETC, ETC,-----
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


MarkV/Lisa, why do you plagiarize others words and not use your own? I looked up this web site and found this study on Timothy. Interestingly, they believe we need to preach the Gospel to ALL as God commanded, and not be God's self appointed salvation police in this area.
---kathr4453 on 12/30/09


MarkV, that was not a truthful answer to Mike.

Now let's take CHRISTIANS who sin. Did God make them sin? Is God in Control of that SIN? Or the consequences of that sin?

With your reasoning, there is no accountability what so ever.

EVIL is the Absence of God....Why else does God want us to OBEY? Why else does He WARN His Children not to play with rattle snakes. Why would He bother to give us the mind of Christ? Why else does He warn us that Satan roams around like a lion seeking whom he may desire.

Yes, whoever said those who cannot think and reason for themselves do become victims of CULTS. God created MAN with the capacity to think and REASON...

LET US REASON TOGETHER says God!!!!
---kathr4453 on 12/29/09


1 Tim. 2:9 declares "that it was God who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works (our free will) but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began," 1 Peter 2:7,8 shows those who believe, He is precious, but to those who are disobedient-The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone, and, a stone And a rock of offense, (why they don't believe) They stumble, being disobedient to the Word, to which they also were appointed" This people were appointed for that purpose, and,
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation. His own special people"
---MarkV. on 12/29/09




All authority hath been given to me in heaven and on earth, do you doubt this.
Because your husband fooled you into believe a lie. Is he not your husband, did you not pick him?
Are you now condemning me, because of your husband?
Lets be clear, you hate what he is. Not what he is in your heart.


Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? (the body of Christ)
Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feedeth them.

Are ye not much better than they! (Dont glory)

Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.

Love You
---TheSeg on 12/29/09


MarkV, Yes man cannot save himself. This is why Jesus died on a Cross for our SIN....because we can't die and redeem ourselves. If we could then we would. But it took the SPOTLESS Lamb of God to die for us and through that sacrifice God and God alone can give Eternal life to those who place their faith in His Son called Justification of the UNGODLY!!!! Only God can Justify the UNGODLY!!!

Now, Romans 4 CLEARLY state Abraham's faith is/was NOT WORKS, for if it was, Abraham would have something to boast about. Faith is not Boasting in saving yourself. It's the ONLY thing God accepts. He is a rewarder of Those who diligently SEEK HIM!!!
---kathr4453 on 12/28/09


Jack B, another question. Lets check it out. First,
The Greek word for "desires" is not which normally expresses God's will of decree (His eternal purpose), but God's will of desire. There is a distinction between God's desire and His eternal saving purpose, which must transcend His desires. God does not want men to sin, for He hates sin with all His being (Pss. 5:4, 45:7), thus, He hates its consequences-eternal wickedness in hell. God does not want people to remain wicked forever in eternal remorse and hatred for Himself. Yet, God, for His own glory, and to manifest that glory in wrath, chose to endure "vessels" prepared for distruction for the supreme fulfillment of His will (Romans 9:22).
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


Mark ... "We know the results of that trial. And if God again gave man free will ... what would He be doing but instituting the dispensation which has already been tried and which ended in failure"

Your own words here expose the weakness of your predestination doctrine. You are saying that Omniscient God planned that His trial would end in failure

That is a contradiction in terms.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/28/09


Markv, if you know your Bible, you will know that what I said about you is the truth.
You say God wants to save sinners but then you turn around and say he will only save the ones he created to save.
Brother that is speaking with a forked(doublesided) tongue.
Jack B, and Kath are right on this. God is supreme and our maker but he is not some puppet master going around saying "I am going to save this one but that one I am not". God gives everyone the chance to be saved. He comes to them to save them but it is their choice either to believe him or turn from him. And the Bible is clear on what happens to the person in both situations.The believer grows in God's grace, the unbeliever is given over to a reprobate mind.
---miche3754 on 12/28/09


MarkV, brother.... please read it.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

It says here that it is Gods will that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

If you start from the first verse of Timothy 1, you can see there is no way this verse can be taken "out of context".

Is verse 4 truth or it is a lie?
---JackB on 12/28/09


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Mike, whoever you are now, that God is not Lord of your life. If He was He would be in control of not only your life but of all things. You believe a sinner can defeat the creative power of Almighty God, and you believe because you lost your job, or because you tell the truth sometimes and bad things happen to you, He was not in control. You want Him to be your puppet before you can acknowledge Him as Lord, yet He says, "All authority hath been given to me in heaven and on earth," said the risen Lord. No limit is set to that authority. "He does according to His will in the armies of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and no one can stay His hand, or say unto Him, "what does thou?"
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


I question that statement.
is god in control when you see children dying, people suffering of injustice. what about when you obey the word of god like telling the truth, doing the right thing at work, you end up being the loser.
if god is in control what do you do? just sit down & let god figure out the problems you are facing? give your 10% & god will take care of everything? god is not in control but circumstance takes over your life & you end up suffering the consequences bec you do not have any direction in life.
---mike on 12/28/09


JackB. You are not being irrational. You are right on.
---Rod4Him on 12/28/09


Im sorry, MarkV, but Im done. You keep putting predestination/ordination before foreknowledge and that is not what the verse says.

I am simply astonished that Calvanists believe God is the cause of evil and then punishes *some* the vessels that He uses to perform that evil.

That is without a doubt the most twisted version of God that I have heard from ANY Christian denomination. That is NOT a God of love. Even the lost world knows that you don't punish your children for something that you MADE them do. That's sick.

I love you in Christ and you are in my prayers.
---JackB on 12/28/09


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Miche, I don't believe I have said to you any remarks other then answering you. Here is what you said,
Markv, You are speaking with a forked tongue just as the Bible speaks. Being tossed to and fro!"
I have given you Scripture and answered you in a godly way. I have not accused you of speaking with a forked tongue being tossed to and for even though I don't agree with your view. If I said that, I would be rediculing you as a person. How can I redicule someone I love? So please, if you don't love me, and don't care for what I say, then please keep from asking me anything. All of heard from many of you are remarks.
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


Romans 8:29, "For whom He foreknew, He also foreordained... 'and whom He foreordained, them He also called, and whom He called, them He also justified, and whom He justified, them He also glorified" The people God call's He justifies, and later He glorifies them.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09

Was jogging through the site and seen this one.
Who did he "foreknow"? When the who is understood it all falls into place.

Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 12/28/09


I have come to regret giving my husband a second chance believing in his promise that he's a changed man. I am miserable and I hate him.
.........Blog question.

We/U/Him/me are composed of two. Spirit man and earthy man. These two are always at tug of war/wills.

Your husband in spirit probably meant every word....his earthy man was stronger and won the battle you hate him for.
Now you/him/i are no different,the things you would do...you do not. Who will forgive us?
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Let us Bow-Flex scripturally, and ask the only one....
---Trav on 12/28/09


Under the Covenant made with Adam, man's destiny depended on his own works. Obey and have eternal life, disobey and you get death. We know the results of that trial. Now if man could not work out his salvation when he was upright, what chance has he to do so since he is fallen? No chance at all. But for the love of God, He has this time taken the matter into His own hand. And if God again gave man free will by which to work out his own salvation, what would He be doing but instituting the dispensation which has already been tried and which ended in failure? It's a mockery to repeat the same process. Some say God is earnestly trying to convert every person, in that case He must be making a great failure of His work. My God can do all things.
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


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"Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed"

This is from Markv Post. If he would NOT passover simple words like "if" or "heard" or "IN HIM", He would understand that we have a choice to accept the truth of God and be glad or dismiss it a folly.If we believe, and repent, the HS comes to live in us. If we dismiss it as folly, we are given over to e reprobate mind.

Markv, where have I made a "dumb" statement? And why do you resort to calling people things like that? That is NOT HS fruit, brother.
Learn to rightly divide God's truth stop applying other doctrine to it.
---miche3754 on 12/28/09


Kathr, again I post, "the visible church" Where tares and wheat meet, on Sunday's or Saturday's for the SDA's.
Again I post, no one is stupid enough to think the "spiritual Church"

There will be no more corrections for you. Two times should be enough.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


MarkV, the Spiritual Church you listed quoting Ephesians 2:21. Did you no t know, that Ephesians is talking about the SPIRITUAL Church, and not the visible one. Beginning with Ephesians 1:1 ( US seated with Christ IN HEAVENLY PLACES, and 2:21 is exactly where this spiritual Church lives....In heavenly Places, and continues to the very END is about the SPIRITUAL Church. Bone of His Bone...flesh of His flesh....His Spiritual Body.
---kathr4453 on 12/28/09


Miche, my statement to you was not posted again. But I will say again, I will not answer you any of your questions if you continue to make dumb remarks to me. If you are unable to discuss godly matters in a good way, please don't ask me anything anymore. I believe I have been kind and curtious to you in every way. You have not given any Scripture only your opinions. I have given you God's Word over and over. If God's Word is not good enough, then I have nothing to give you. I knew this topic would bring the worse in people. They fight for their rights (free will) and the hell with the rights of God. They claim God cannot interfer or they would be robots, but care less if God is one. So long as they determine their own destiney.
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


Jack B, I didn't forget to underline the passage where it states that He foreknew, I thought you knew that already. Of course He foreknows everything that comes to pass. He is after all Omniscient. Everything that will come to pass He already knows, after all it is His plan. He designed it. And nothing can change that plan He made. If things changed what He ordained He would have to keep making new plans. He is outside of time, and sees the whole plan complete in front of Him, for He wrote it. He does not wait for someone to except Him or not in order for Him to know. He does not learn new things. He knows who are His elect for He elected them.
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


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Jack B #2 You said,
"He doesnt withhold his grace from a man that He knows will accept it by faith. Why? Because God is Love."
God never withholds His grace from a man that He knows will accept Him in faith, that' rediculous.
For all that come by saving faith is because God has given them that faith. Faith is a gift of God that comes through the Word of God, and not everyone gets it. What you are assuming is that its unfair that God would give faith to only some and not all, That He is obligated to give it to everyone. Yet we know people in China and other places don't get it. And we know many are already in hell. Your failure is to recognize the necessity for the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit on the heart.
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


Jack B #2 You said,
"He doesnt withhold his grace from a man that He knows will accept it by faith. Why? Because God is Love."
God never withholds His grace from a man that He knows will accept Him in faith, that' rediculous.
For all that come by saving faith is because God has given them that faith. Faith is a gift of God that comes through the Word of God, and not everyone gets it. What you are assuming is that its unfair that God would give faith to only some and not all, That He is obligated to give it to everyone. Yet we know people in China and other places don't get it. And we know many are already in hell. Your failure is to recognize the necessity for the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit on the heart.
---MarkV. on 12/28/09


Agreed Miche.

Even John the Baptist told people to repent and that was before the Holy Spirit was even sent to us.

The adoption takes place by the blood of Christ, then God send us the Holy Spirit because we are already sons (Gal 4:6)

The Holy Spirit is our seal. A token of His promise, just as the rainbow is a token.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (Eph 1:13,14)
---JackB on 12/27/09


So you read 1 Timothy 2:4 and still didnt see that God desires all men to be saved?

That is a direct contradiction to what Calvanists believe.

Im not saying all will be saved, but its most certainly God desire for them to be. Which shows that His sovereign will does NOT override the free will of a man.

If you dont have free will then you don't have life. You're a puppet.

Am I being irrational here? Anyone?
---JackB on 12/27/09


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Jesus said to let your yes be yes and your no be no. And that promises are from the devil. My husband has made plenty of promises to me and broken then. The only things I try to do are to say that I will try when it comes to him. Tell him to stop making promises to you, and let him know why. Making promises is a neat little psychological trick that makes you feel fine then, but bad later when they are broken. They make me feel bad either way, from the moment they are first made, because I know that the man is going to break them. Come up with a list of promises that he has broken in the past, and explain to him, "This is why I don't like you making promises to me. Stop it."
---amand6348 on 12/27/09


MarkV, I know salvation is Gods work. You dont have to underline it all. Ive read it many times over and over. His work is not present in a man that does not WANT it however. I dont how you can read the entire Bible and not see that.

I did notice that you failed to underline ""For whom He foreknew, He also foreordained... " in Romans 8:29. Thats exactly the part I was stressing to you. Hes has foreknowledge first...

He doesnt withhold his grace from a man that He knows will accept it by faith. Why? Because God is Love. He doesnt take pleasure in watching people suffer. He doesnt rejoice in iniquity. If He doesnt rejoice in it, He most certainly wouldnt be the cause of it.
---JackB on 12/27/09


Phil. 1:6, "Being confident of this very thing, 'that He who began a good work in you," will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ"
God began the work in you.

Romans 8:29, "For whom He foreknew, He also foreordained... 'and whom He foreordained, them He also called, and whom He called, them He also justified, and whom He justified, them He also glorified" The people God call's He justifies, and later He glorifies them.

Eph. 1:5: "Having foreordained us into adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto Himself, 'according to the good pleasure of His will"
It was according to the will of the Father not the will of man.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


Jack B, I have been kind answering you. First, you gave Scripture but no context. If you are going to put down scripture explain the context. For I have looked up just two of the passages and what you stated has nothing to do with what you stated. If someone turns from the faith, they were never really saved. Those who have been reconciled will persevere in faith and obedience because, in addition to being declared righteous, they are actually made new creatures (2 Cor 5:1) with a new dispostion that loves God hates sin, desires obedience and is energized by the indwelling Holy Spirit (John 8:30-32). Rather then defect from the gospel they heard, true believers will remain solid on Christ who is the only foundation (1 Cor. 3:11).
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


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Miche, I am sorry I did not know you were talking about Acts 13:48. Jack already assumes I skipped it on purpose. Already bad thoughts.
"Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed"
I don't see anything about free will here. What I see is that the Gentiles heard the word of God and only those who had been appointed to eternal life believed.
As I said before, this subject only bothers believers. Unbelievers don't care about God. If it bothers you or Jack B in answering, don't bother to answer. I have kindly answered with the Word of God. The condition of lost man is written all over Scripture.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


Markv, You are speaking with a forked tongue just as the Bible speaks. Being tossed to and fro!
You just don't get that NONE OF US, Me you any of us became elected to eternal life UNTIL we accepted Christ in our hearts. The Bible clearly states that God gives you a new heart AFTER REPENTANCE OF SIN! You really need to go back and read your Bible again and Pray God opens your Eyes. In fact do a deep study on the Holy Spirit. It will show you that the HS Doesn't even come into your heart to give you a new heart until AFTER you repent of your sins. God DOES NOT MAKE YOU FOLLOW HIM. IT IS A CHOICE!
You take one or two scripture and distort it completely. Jesus none are 100% good but God. We can be "good" just not God's righteousness.
---miche3754 on 12/27/09


Jack B, I don't reject the idea that God knew ahead of time. He is Omniscient. Knowing all. He is also Omnipotent. What that does mean is that God holds all power over His creation. No part of creation stand outside the scope of His Sovereign control. We know that the same power God displayed in creating the universe is at His disposal to assure our salvation. We know that no part of creation can frustrate His plans for the future. There are no maverick molecules loose in the universe that could possibly disrupt His plan. He is the One who is Almighty. Not even humans can change His plan that is already written. No future events can add or subtract anything from His plan.
If you are going to get angry with me, please don't answer.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


(Please print)
Markv,
The plan of Election was set before the foundation of the World NOT us being chosen before the foundation of the world!
You miss important words IT SAYS IN CHRIST we are chosen
I have never seen such twisting of Scripture in my Life.
Jack B and others tell you the truth through scripture and you just completely BLATANTLY IGNORE SCRIPTURE.
You went from one extreme to the other.
You came from RCC and moved to Calvinism.
The truth is in the middle of those two.
Talk about a lost ship Brother, you really need to listen to the Word of God instead of cherry picking only the verses that back up what you believe. Take the Bible in it FULL CONTEXT not bits and pieces.
---miche3754 on 12/27/09


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If you are a Christian, then yes God's hand is in your life, but if you are not a Christian then you may be without God in your life. Prayer is an important key to having God in your life. Call on Jesus for his help and he will help. Even on this blog we see that there are saints of Christ like myself, and there are also sinners of the world: and we can see which is which in the postings each individual posts here, whether their words manifest Christ or whether their words manifest false witness.
---Eloy on 12/27/09


MarkV ... You say the lost sre born with desires and motives which are never for God

And you say that God predestined (make it happen) everything and everybody, that means that God determined, decided, caused, directed, that the lost would be born lost, and would remain lost.

That means the lost behave and "choose" exactly as God has decided. They have no other option.

So, my question remains, "How can God judge and condemn people for behaving and choosing exactly as He has made them behave and choose?"

It is within His right to send His creation to heaven or hell, according to His pleasure, but that ccould not be called "just punishment"
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/09


It was obvious she meant Acts 13:48

Why reject the idea that God knew ahead of time which men would have proud hearts and reject the gospel of Jesus Christ?

As Bill just stated God resists the proud. Anyone not willing to let go of their own efforts to please God will be used of God as a vessel of wrath.

I get the strongest feeling that you cling to Calvanism for the eternal security when theres no need. One doesnt have to believe in election to know that God is faithful when we are not. His promises were never based on our goodness anyway. They were always based on his mercy and grace.

In no way does deciding to accept a free gift from God mean that we deserve it. Its still Gods grace.
---JackB on 12/26/09


Wow! Yes God is in control in a broad sense. As to your other comments, do you know Jesus Christ as Lord and savior? Bible teaches that man is not inherently good but in fact evil. Leopards don't just change their spots even if they promise that they will. He needs the Lord and so do you:). You hate and are miserable bc you cannot love,forgive and accept others unconditionally. Until you seek out Jesus, you will never know what love is or joy. Just ask Him sincerely to come into your life. Also seek Christian counseling. Much hope for you:)
---jody on 12/27/09


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Miche #3: God will cause us to walk in His statues. There is no free will under this conditions. It doesn't say if you don't want to you can say no and I will not cause you to do anything. In fact man has nothing to say concerning God's grace. God saves sinners who are in rebellion against Him. He brings a new life in those who are dead. And they respond with a love for Christ. All they can think now is Christ and how to please Him. But that does not happen with a heart of stone while he is lost. A change has to happen to him. God through the Holy Spirit begins that change. The fact is, it is a salvation by God from beginning to end. Your father responded to the calling of God. His faith gave evidence of the change of heart.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


My mistake that Ive been fighting false teaching with words other than scripture. Christ resisted satan with scripture...

Gods desire is that ALL be saved. He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Love does not rejoice in iniquity

1 Timothy 2:1-6
Matthew 22:1-9
1 John 2:2
2 Peter 3:9
Ezekiel 33:11
Titus 2:11
John 3:16

Since you refuted my earlier claim using scripture that a man can turn from Christ of his FREE WILL after accepting him heres another one. Colossians 1:21-23
---JackB on 12/27/09


MarkV, you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/27/09


Miche #2: Ezek. 36:25-27, God promise to the individual:
"Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean, I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols."
He is going to cleanse them and here is how:
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you, I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh" The gift of the new heart signifies the new birth, which is regeneration by the Holy Spirit (11:18-20), The heart stand for the whole nature. And listen to what will happen to us:
"And I will put My Spirit within you "and cause you to walk in my Statues, and you will keep My judgments and do them"
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


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Yes, God has a hand in everything in our lives. But how we are has a lot to do with how we are effected. "God resists the proud" (in James 4:6, and in 1 Peter 5:5) > His hand can have things resisting us, whenever He knows we are acting in ego. The proof is how we can get so mad and sad and bad and nasty and upset and downcast and even unforgiving. Because we have not been submitting to how God rules us in His peace (Colossians 3:15) in His love's peasantness satisfying us . . . while this love gives us His creativity for making His good in any situation, at all (Philippians 1:9) . . . like how Joseph did in Genesis 37-50 > see how he handled his brothers who sold him into slavery > Genesis 50:15-21.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/26/09


Miche, you said I ignored Acts 4:38 on the other blog, but I am sorry but there is no 4:38 in Acts.
Concerning what you said about your father,
"God will rescue some in the twilight of their life"
I believe that very well, He rescued my mom 8 days before she died.
And No, I cannot say whom God will have mercy on. That is all up to God. Then you said,
"the Elect DO NOT BECOME ELECT UNTIL THEY BELIEVE AND FOLLOW CHRIST!"
Sorry, you are wrong, The election of God is before the foundation of the world, and don't become save until they put their faith in Christ. They cannot become elect after. What would be the purpose of calling them elect after?
Next, how can you repent with an evil heart?
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


I can say that God said, He will not rescue everyone. The wicked will go to hell. And I am glad you admit that it is God who does the rescuing. Not us.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09

What I said about my Dad is a perfect example of God's love. He will resue some in the twilight of their life. So, NO, you can't say whom God will rescue. You are right about one thing, God plan from the beginning but the Elect DO NOT BECOME ELECT UNTIL THEY BELIEVE AND FOLLOW CHRIST! God says in his word he won't give you a new heart until you repent and believe.
Ez. 36:25-27
God tells us to ask knock and seek out HIM. We have to seek God for HIS salvation.
Why you deny passages that CLEARLY say this is just unreal! Talk about perversion of the Gospel!
---miche3754 on 12/26/09


//For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.// -(Romans 8:29)JackB on 12/24/09


//Jack B : Foreknowledge does not make future acts certain but only assumes them to be so, and it is a contradictions of terms to say that God foreknows as certain an event which in its very nature is uncertain.// --- MarkV. on 12/25/09

Apparently God's foreknowledge of future events is only an assumption...
---JackB on 12/26/09


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Alan, the lost are born with desires and motives, but never for God. We are judge by our motives and desires. If we made a spontainous decision, without motive or desire, God could not judge us right or wrong. That is what free will is. A will that has no desires or motives is free. But every decision we make has a motive. When you are going to buy ice cream, you don't pick the worse one, you pick the one you desire.
Jesus says about the desires of lost man, Why do you not understand My speech? because you are not able to listen to My Word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do"
They have no desire for Christ. They need a change of heart and mind so their desire can change for Christ.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


, I Think taht you Did The Right By Giving Your Husband a Second Chance. My Dear its not By Putting Trust In People That you Will Find Your Answer. The Word Of God Say In John 4:24 God is A Spirit, and Those Who Worship Him Must Worship Him In Spirit And In Truth,Its By Faith In God That Your marriage Will Work Out, And Not By The Will Of Man,Keep Your Eyes On God And Off Of Man And People, Beleave that God Can Do The Impossible, Give Him Your All... And let God Prove You Wrong. Read Your Bible more, Go To Church More, . John 3:16 You Must Be BORN Again.Also Ephesins 5th Chapteh The 21 Verse Talks How Marrage Should Be, Towards One another. Maybe Its You My dear?? Be Blessed. Roder8547
---roderick on 12/26/09


Miche my answer.
1. "Who am I to say that God made some to burn in hell? Miche, God made a plan. It's written. Complete. In this plan, some are rescued and some are not. The plan does not change. It's complete.
2. Second, you said, "So don't be fooled, you don't know who God will rescue"
I don't know who will be rescued. Not a single person. But whoever they are, they are the rescued, the elect. Some have not been born yet.
3. You also said, "you can't say God won't rescue everyone because its God who does the rescuing and not us"
I can say that God said, He will not rescue everyone. The wicked will go to hell. And I am glad you admit that it is God who does the rescuing. Not us.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


MarkV ... I agree with yours to Kathr, except 4, which gives the same problem which you have never been able to explain to me before

"We make choices in life but we make them because of some motive or desire, our wills are never free or else God could not judge us. He judges us by our motives"

You've implied elsewhere that we don't have Free Will, because those motives, desires (and thus actions) are controlled and preset by God. In that case, since He decided what our motives and actions will be, how can His judgment & any condemnation of those actions (which He made us take) be just?

What it would mean is that God made us behave in such a way, so that He could punish for behaving in that way.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/26/09


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Eloy, in your life, you are in control. I can see that through your answers. God is not Lord of your life, you are.
1. You are the light Jesus saw while on the Cross.
2. You suffered more then Job and Jesus put together.
3. You have the mind of God.
4. You are sinless.
5. You have been given the right to bring judgment on others, I thought Jesus was.
6. You were born again two times.
7. You are God in the flesh.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


Kathr, let me answer your questions kindly,
1. I am saved by the grace of God. And still with a sin nature until the redemption of my flesh.
2. I am not a slave to sin anymore, Christ has given me freedom from the slavery. Sin is not my practice.
3. I do not want to sin but I do. For all come short of the glory of God. If we didn't we would not need a Mediator to speak on our behalf.
4. We make choices in life but we make them because of some motive or desire, our wills are never free or else God could not judge us. He judges us by our motives.
5. Jesus was the only human who did not sin. With no exceptions.
6. God did not have to change Jesus Heart, because Jesus is God.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


tommy, when you take a verse out of context it is absolute falsehood. No person is a robot without freedom of choice to choose obey, or else not. This is absolute scripture: I have set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live. Choose you this day whom you will serve. Know you all not that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness? For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what we have done, whether good or bad. Deuteronomy 30:19+ Joshua 24:15+ Rom.6:16+ II Cor.5:10.
---Eloy on 12/26/09


tommy, when you take a verse out of context it is absolute falsehood. No person is a robot without freedom of choice to choose to obey, or else not. This is absolute scripture: I have set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live. Choose you this day whom you will serve. Know you all not that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness? For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what we have done, whether good or bad. Deuteronomy 30:19+ Joshua 24:15+ Rom.6:16+ II Cor.5:10.
---Eloy on 12/26/09


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kathr4453, good point Katherine. Sinners love to be irresponsible for their sin and blame God who is proven to be perfect, above reproach, and ultimately in complete control over all his creation. God desires all flesh to repent from their disobedience and to serve him and his righteousness so that they can be blessed, but when sinuous humans choose to serve sin they condemn themselves for their poor choice. This is why we build courts and prisons to put the law-breakers in and they were not built to put the innocent law-abiding people in. This is also why Jesus made a heaven and he also made a hell, not all choose heaven and not all choose hell, but according to their obedience determines where each one will be placed.
---Eloy on 12/26/09


Eloy, is wrong, the lost don't have a "free will" They have a choice, but their "will" is not free. It is in bondage to sin. -- ---MarkV. on 12/26/09

Let me ask you a serious question MarkV. Now that you say you are SAVED, do you still sin? You have stated here many times you do!Are you then STILL in Bondage to SIN? So those sinful decisions you make daily that are NOT for Christ has nothing to do with your will?

Jesus was without sin, yet said, not MY WILL but Thine be done. Or did Jesus say...not my Choice but thine be done! Seems to me our free will is what MAKES choices. Good choices or Bad ones!

OR are you saying Jesus's will was sinful? Did God have to CHANGE Christ' heart FIRST?
---kathr4453 on 12/26/09


Eloy,you said, "Frances, God gives people freewill to either do good or to do evil. Not all are good, and not all are bad". This completely contradicts what Scripture says, in Romans 3:9-19,23, that there is NONE righteous, that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. In answer to the original post, God has a hand in everything, either "allowing" things to happenor causing them to happen. He doesn't control us like robots, but, He IS IN CONTROL!
---tommy3007 on 12/26/09


Eloy, is wrong, the lost don't have a "free will" They have a choice, but their "will" is not free. It is in bondage to sin. Every decision the lost makes will never be for Christ, unless God changes the persons heart. With a corrupt heart, at enmity against God, he will never change.
How can a spiritually dead person speak to God? How can he love Christ in whom he hates? How can he repent of things he loves?
He needs a spiritual awakening, a new heart that has faith in Christ. In order for him to repent he needs a conviction by the Holy Spirit. People who are dead cannot see or hear, and of course never understand. They cannot make themselves alive. Though Eloy says they can.
---MarkV. on 12/26/09


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Frances, God gives people freewill to either do good or to do evil. Not all are good, and not all are bad, but in the world the tares grow with the wheat until they are separated and thrown in the fire. When a person disobeys the Lord and chooses sin over God, the Bible says, "One sinner destroys much good." You cannot force your husband to be good, nor to be faithful, but you can pray for him that he would repent, so that Almighty God will not judge him. And for your misery and hate, pray to Jesus about that too so that he can change that for you. When a spouse commits adultery you are supposed to be hurt which amy cause misery and hate against the adulterer, but pray to Jesus for his help. Your husband may change, or he might not.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


Donna, thank you for your kind response. Now I know what you were trying to do. Merry Christmas, and a wonderful New Year.

Kathr, I know you and I have not got along for a long time. I want to change things between us, but you have to work with me. I am hoping that we can somehow be at least friends. I see you are answering me now in a different tone. I don't mind you answering me at all. But please do not accuse me or condemn me, because all it does is bring more separation between us. Why don't we make this New Year a good one between us. I would like that very much. It is up to you.
---MarkV. on 12/25/09


Frances, it is my believe that God is in control of everything. If He is not, then He is not God. Then we should not call Him God for only a real God (ours) is in control. He cannot be God if something or someone is working without Him knowing or allowing it to be. If some mysterious thing or person is working outside of God knowing and permitting it, then that one thing or person is more powerful then God, so that person or thing is the real God.
Second, you giving your husband a second chance is your choice. God knew the choice you would make. Your husband not changing is up to God, since He is the One who works faith through His Word. And your husband has no faith. Without faith he will never change. He needs Christ.
---MarkV. on 12/25/09


frances,thats where you made your mistake,putting your faith in the goodness of people.my story is similiar to yours except women have betrayed my trust.bottom line is only God is trustworthy,and in him only can you be faithful.
---tom2 on 12/24/09


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YES, GOD IS IN CONTROL, of everyone's life on this earth. His will, His purpose, must be done. He can initiate trouble, too. I find this to be so! It is my job to KNOW the living GOD!
---catherine on 12/23/09


then you say something completely the opposite, You have not chosen Me but I have chosen you, and ordained you etc.
You contradicted your first statement.
So, which one is correct?
---Mark_V. on 12/23/09
Donna and MarkV, let's be very CAREFUL here not to quote scripture out of context.

ORDAINED is not FOR-Ordained. So that verse does NOT say...I for-ordained you.

Secondly, that verse is not about SALVATION but service.

Don't EVER tell anyone God doesn't want or didn't chose a loved one. That is not Biblical, or what WE are called to do. We're called to preach the Gospel, not condemnation.

When she says I HATE HIM....well, God needs to deal with HER first. Maybe SHE's the problem here, not her husband!
---kathr4453 on 12/23/09


Mark_V, I was trying to be gentle with my response. Her husband isn't letting God change his heart, that's what I was implying. Her husband is NOT capable of changing his own heart and it doesn't seem like her husband is letting God change it for him.

The second part of your question: again, I was trying to be gentle in my response. You have not chosen Me but I have chosen you, etc. I was trying to tell her maybe the Lord hasn't chosen her husband.

I believe God knows the ones who will lay down their lives and do His will versus mans will. Many are called but few are chosen. She said she hates her husband, maybe he isn't saved and will never get saved.
I know I'm not explaining this clearly, but I know what I mean.
---Donna on 12/23/09


Donna, you first say that God has given us free will and if her husband doesn't want to change it is not God's fault, sort of saying that without God changing he heart, he is capable of changing it himself.

then you say something completely the opposite, You have not chosen Me but I have chosen you, and ordained you etc.
You contradicted your first statement.
So, which one is correct?
---Mark_V. on 12/23/09


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Im sorry about your husband, Frances.

I know the feeling. Ive been through it many times in my life. Im sure right now you may be feeling anger towards God because He failed to change your husbands heart and failed to make the marriage work. Thats perfectly normal and God is aware of your pain. Dont hide your feelings from Him. He loves you unconditionally.

Just try to keep in mind that while God is for marriage and keeping them together, he doesnt control us. He pleads with us to do the right thing and apparently your husband just didnt respond. I was bitter at my ex for 2 years when we divorced. She never apologized. I finally had to forgive her just to help myself feel better.

My prayers are with you.
---JackB on 12/22/09


What you said was key - "the goodness of people". People are NOT good, ONLY God is good. People by nature are wretched sinners, according to the Bible. God is perfect in ALL ways. Also, another key thing you said - "I hate him". Jesus said if you hate someone, you have committed murder. You might as well put a gun to his head, because according to Jesus, that is what you are doing. Keep this in perspective, and it may help your marriage.
---Leslie on 12/22/09


Your bitterness is not God's fault, but yours. Unforgiveness is like taking poison, hoping the other person will die. You are only hurting yourself.

Get into a mentoring relationship with a MATURE Christian woman and start praying for your personal spiritual growth. Confess your bitterness to the Lord, and start examining scriptures on forgiveness.

Trish
---Trish9863 on 12/22/09


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