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Lee, your story is based upon untestable assumptions. How do you know what height Ararat and Everest were at the time of the flood. Google Surtsey and see how quickly this island rose from the depths of the ocean floor, and how quickly it appeared to be an old island. I am well aware that it is a volcanic landform. But nonetheless we do not know when and over what time period the mountains around us rose.

As to Ararat mountains being covered by the oceans both Ararat and the Himalayas have sedimentary rocks at or near their sumits, which contain marine fossils. Therefore they were at one time deep under water.

BTW - How could Noah and co. float around in this local 'dam' for so many months without seeing a mountain peak?
---Warwick on 1/5/10


A great variety of words is here used to express the Divine Will to which Abraham was obedient, my voice, my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws - Which may intimate, that Abraham's obedience was universal, he obeyed the original laws of nature, the revealed laws of divine worship, particularly that of circumcision, and all the extraordinary precepts God gave him, as that of quitting his country, and that (which some think is more especially referred to) the offering up of his son, which Isaac himself had reason enough to remember. Those only shall have the benefit of God's covenant with their parents, that tread the steps of their obedience. John Wesley's Notes on Genesis 26:5

Abraham was not given the Mosaic law.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


Paul9594 - Col 2:6 tells us we need to walk in Christ, not the old obsolete torah laws from which no one can be justified. (Gal. 2:16-17, 3:11,24, 5:4)

We are to follow in the ministry of the Spirit, not in that ministry of death and condemnation craved on stone (2 Cor. 3:7,9).

Colossians 2:6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

So are you into Christ kingdom or you still stuck in pit of religious legalism that teaches law obedience instead of obedience to Christ?

Repent and accept Christ as your Lord & Savior otherwise like the false teachers you will head Matthew7:21-23.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


trav//He is smart/cagey enough to know he is swimming upstream.

But he will continue to kick against the pricks of the truth until his foot is raw. ... he knows the truth but simply refused to accept it.

It is hard for an educated person to get down to that level.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10

It is possible. Another,is GOD blinded Saul, so to see. Regardless: some will do the research. Nice if an intelligent, voice picked up some of the load....but, GOD to pick the laborer.

Your remark on learning and teaching is appropriate. I had to "unlearn" to learn. A doubting Thomas needs....Proof.
A Berean may find it. And if he built with Israel linking-logs he might unravel/see truth more easily.
---Trav on 1/5/10


....Greek 'kosmos' which means Global or universal, never local.

......always means universal as in the whole earth. Never does it describe a local area! Scripture interprets Scripture!
---Warwick on 1/5/10
Scripture witnesses Scripture!.Kosmos, means many things. Ever been to "Disney Kosmos"? You are translating backward with a modern mind, putting knowledge in play that didn't exist.
It was not known the world is round. Until about 500 years ago.
You presume to put a modern interpretation/Knowledge to ancient thought.
You must. All men must come from Noah for your doctrine. Eventhough it is not testified. Brave man,u. You "present" him a second Adam. Scripture doesn't.
---Trav on 1/5/10




warwick - How could Noah and co. float around in this local 'dam' for so many months without seeing a mountain peak?

If indeed the mountain tops were covered, say Mt. Ararat (16,854 ft elevation) then the amount of water to cover would have had to be over 3 miles above sea level.

Again, 'all the high mountains' meant only those from the perspective of those who witnessed the flood.

Doubtful if the people living around the Himalya mountain range (Mt Everest is over 29,000 feet high) saw this regional flood.

You really need to use the brain the Lord gave you and mix your interpretation of Scripture with a little common sense.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


Lee1538:

4 Col. 2:16 (Let no man judge u) u need to quote full context:
Coloss. 2:6:
as YOU have therefore RECEIVED Christ Jesus the Lord, >>> WALK YE IN HIM <<<
7 Rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith, as ye have been taught (BY TRUE MEN of the Father)

8 BEWARE lest ANY MAN spoil you through PHILOSHOPHY and VAIN DECEIT, AFTER, after, AFTER, the tradition of men, AFTER the RUDIMENTS of the WORLD, and NOT, not, NOT, not, AFTER Christ.

Meaning don't let ANY MAN judge u for keeping AFTER Christ ways!!

Are u INTO Christ kingdom ways, or are u still in the world, doing the worldly WAYS?

U dont reject Christ words? Then why u void, Matthew 5:19, repent or u may hear Matt. 7:21-23.
---Paul9594 on 1/5/10


Lee1538:

4 Col. 2:16 (Let no man judge u) u need to quote full context:
Coloss. 2:6:
as YOU have therefore RECEIVED Christ Jesus the Lord, >>> WALK YE IN HIM <<<
7 Rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith, as ye have been taught (BY TRUE MEN of the Father)

8 BEWARE lest ANY MAN spoil you through PHILOSHOPHY and VAIN DECEIT, AFTER, after, AFTER, the tradition of men, AFTER the RUDIMENTS of the WORLD, and NOT, not, NOT, not, AFTER Christ.

Meaning don't let ANY MAN judge u for keeping AFTER Christ ways!!

Are u INTO Christ kingdom ways, or are u still in the world, doing the worldly WAYS?

U dont reject Christ words? Then why u void, Matthew 5:19, repent or u may hear Matt. 7:21-23.
---Paul9594 on 1/5/10


Paul9594:
//You void feasts, sabbaths to be slaved to easter, Christmas, Sunday and other world days. You void dietary laws to enslave yourself to chemicals that destroy your body, supress your immune system.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

You simply do not realize it but it is clearly you that rejects Christs words.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


Paul9594 //U reject Christ words and have the evidence in your walk.

And who are you to pass judgment on another as to ones relationship or walk with the Lord?

It is doubtful that you even have one.

Maybe you have not yet read the New Testament where it states -

Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

What you criticize is my rejection of your view that I must observe the Torah laws but that was the problem with those foolish
Galatians who started with the Spirit but thought they must be perfected by the flesh.

I will not be foolish and fall from grace.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10




//How do atheists explain the origin of life?

Most would probably say they do not know how life evolved and leave it at that. They often demand evidence for what we believe leaving what they believe undecisive.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


Samuel: "Atheists call the origin of life BioGeneisis." I think the term is abiogenesis - or "life from non-life." This "warm pond primordial soup" was envisioned by Darwin, and a famous amino acid creating experiment was performed by Stanley Miller in 1953. The experiment required a reducing (oxygen-free) atmosphere to produce the protein precursors - a physical impossibllity for any subsequent oxygen-breathing organisms. Further, both left- and right-handed amino acids were produced - which would be fatal to any living organism. An amino acid is a long way from "life," and this experiment has long been discredited as proof of abiogenesis.
---jerry6593 on 1/5/10


1st_cliff: Will you please get off the fundamentalist-bashing kick? Many of us who believe the fundamental truths of the Bible (Genesis creation, Noah's flood, etc.) also believe that there is currently no burning hell under the earth. Besides, if you are anti-fundamentalist, you are anti-Bible!
---jerry6593 on 1/5/10


Lee1538:
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

U reject Christ words and have the evidence in your walk.

In your mind a loving Father, keeps the primitive in bondage, THE JEWS.

But u as the greater ONE? Your free...

to enslave yourself to the world.

You void feasts, sabbaths to be slaved to easter, Christmas, Sunday and other world days.

You void dietary laws to enslave yourself to chemicals that destroy your body, supress your immune system.

But in your mind you are free, by voiding His laws and not relize you have enslaved yourself to the World ways!!! Way to go!
---Paul9594 on 1/4/10


Lee if as you say the flood was local how did the waters rise above the mountains and not drain away?

Maybe the local flood was contained within a ring of mountains, which formed a dam as someone suggested! But the flood which rose above all the mountains would have flowed over this ring of mountains wouldn't it? Surely some peaks of the ring of the mountains (certainly not a perfectly level dam wall) must have been exposed? But Scripture says the first peak was not exposed until 7 months? Quite a puzzle for you.

How could Noah and co. float around in this local 'dam' for so many months without seeing a mountain peak?

Your story makes no sense at all!
---Warwick on 1/5/10


Lee being a man of literature, as you claim, you must know that words are defined by context. And Scripture interprets Scripture.

You insist the flood was local but as I showed on 4th January Paul and Peter, when describing the world the flood destroyed used the Greek 'kosmos' which means Global or universal, never local.

Further as I pointed out "under all the heavens" is used in Genesis 7:19 to describe the extent of the flood. "Under all,the heavens" occurs outside of Genesis six times (Deu. 2:25, 4:19, Job 28.24, 37:3, 41:11, Daniel 9:12) and always means universal as in the whole earth. Never does it describe a local area!

Scripture interprets Scripture!
---Warwick on 1/5/10


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trav//He is smart/cagey enough to know he is swimming upstream.

But he will continue to kick against the pricks of the truth until his foot is raw. Like Jesus told Paul what he was doing before his Damascus road experience, he knows the truth but simply refused to accept it.

With him, he really needs to go back to the very basics of reasoning from Holy Writ but few are really trained for that effort as it is too elementary for most of us.

One of the hardest courses I ever taught in college was remedial arithemetic for teachers. It is hard for an educated person to get down to that level.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


Warwick//BTW 'all' in Luke 2:1 is not relevant to Genesis ch.'s 6-8 as it is clear 'all' refers to the Roman world. Not the world under 'all the heavens.'
Did the Chinese also send someone to buy food in Egypt?
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10

A case of doctrinally trapped for warwick. His whole gospel "Erets" falls apart if all did not come from Noah. Ha.

He is smart/cagey enough to know he is swimming upstream. "Erets" used over 1,700 times testify's. He cannot grasp...this was a very large flood. It seems like the whole "erets", it was their whole "Erets" to them. They even stated it was their whole "Erets". Professing to be a world traveler....but, limits his study world.
---Trav on 1/4/10


All this talk about the "flood" makes me wonder how the fundamentalists explain what happened to this (supposedly)"hell fire" burning just below the earth's surface.
Did the inmates get a cool reprieve for 40 days?? Did the fire have to be re-lit??
Fire still doesn't burn without oxygen!
---1st_cliff on 1/4/10


Lee Jesus, knowing what 'all' means said the flood destroyed 'all' people Matthew 24.39, Luke 17:27.

Peter- "..did not spare the ancient world but preserved Noah , and 7 others, bringing the flood upon the world .."-2 Peter 2:5. "A few, that is eight people were saved through the water" 1 Peter 3:20. "the world that was then, being flooded by water, perished"-2 Peter 3:6

Paul-Noah "condemned the world' through His faith in God-Hebrews 11:7 In all these verses world is the Greek Kosmos, which means the whole globe. See John 3:16 "..God so loved the world.." Kosmos again." Did God love the whole world or just part of it?
---Warwick on 1/4/10


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Lee, as I have said many times before you reinterpret any Scripture which contradicts your nonBiblical long-ages starting point.

In saying Genesis ch.'s 6-8 were written from a local perspective you set a principle giving the right to others to say all of Scripture is written from a local perspective. Therefore when Jesus said "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son"-John 3:16, it must mean He came and died only for the then inhabited world. Bad luck for us.

Compromise with the world is like rust in a car. Unless it is removed it will eventually destroy the whole body.
---Warwick on 1/4/10


Atheists call the origin of life BioGeneisis. They state that as certain chemicals mixed in the early water of the planet they eventually formed RNA and then DNA by accident. Then in some way they do not know how and are spending milllions of dollars to find out these dna strands came together in just the right patter and found a semipermable membrane to protect them and became alive.

This to Chiristians is just a form of Spontaneous Generation a old theory that Scientists had to resurrect after disproving it. I loved the way a National Geographic special put it. All the chemicals were mixed in a box then something happened and it became alive.
---Samuel on 1/4/10


Warwick -//Lee you ignored Genesis 7:19 part "....all (Hebrew 'kol') the high mountains under all (Hebrew 'kol') the heavens were covered."

Again, it is simply from the perspective of those who were involved in that regional flood - same as 'all the earth' or 'all the world'.

I suggest that you give in to the truth and go onto something that would be of more benefit to you as well as others. Otherwise we will be at the same impasse as with your errant contention that the first 3 creation days were 24 hours in duration.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


I'm still waiting for someone to at least attempt to answer the question:

How do atheists explain the origin of life?

Atheist: Where are you when we need you?
---jerry6593 on 1/4/10


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Lee you ignored Genesis 7:19 part "....all (Hebrew 'kol') the high mountains under all (Hebrew 'kol') the heavens were covered."

As I pointed out "under all the heavens" occurs outside of Genesis six times (Deu. 2:25, 4:19, Job 28.24, 37:3, 41:11, Daniel 9:12) and always means universal as in the whole earth.

Interestingly James Barr, Chair of Hebrew at Oxford University said the writers of Genesis intended to convey the idea that "Noahs flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those on the ark." Being a liberal he does not believe it ever happened, but knows what the language means. An excellent hostile witness.
---Warwick on 1/3/10


Since the phrases 'all the earth' or 'all the world' in other passages of the Bible really do not mean global in nature, there is a solid rational reason to believe Noah's flood was only regional.

Genesis 41:57 Moreover, all the earth came to Egypt to Joseph to buy grain, because the famine was severe over all the earth.

The famine was not global in nature but confined to only one region of the earth.

Luke 2:1 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.

Caesar's tax collectors were confined only to the Roman world, not outside of it.

The same with the flood, it covered all the earth in the perspective of people living in the region of the flood.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


Jerry //So, you now believe it was only local "flash" floods that floated Noah's ark. What a ride!

Perhaps the problem is you really do not believe what the Bible states -

Mt 24:38-39 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
and they were UNAWARE until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Obviously some people are simply content to believe only what they are told & without question.

Perhaps they have a deep seated fear in questioning anything they were told to believe, that God will slap them down hard. They have little relationship with the Lord.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


Warwick//BTW 'all' in Luke 2:1 is not relevant to Genesis ch.'s 6-8 as it is clear 'all' refers to the Roman world. Not the world under 'all the heavens.'

Gen. 41:57 Moreover, "all the earth" came to Egypt to Joseph to buy grain, because the famine was severe over all the earth.

Does 'all the earth' in Gen. 41.57 mean the entire planet or just a part of it? Did the Chinese also send someone to buy food in Egypt?

If you believe the entire planet was flooded, then clearly all vegetation would have been destroyed as well because the waters prevailed on the earth for some 150 days,(7:24).

It is rather obvious that 'all the earth' being flooded was simply from the perspective of those living at that time.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


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Warwick - more on the flood Gen. 6:17

[In support of the view that the flood covered all the earth, other interpreters point out the text says that 'all the mountains under the whole heaven were covered' (7:19) and that the water was '15 cubits' above the tops of the mountains.

If the 'mountains of Ararat' (8:4) refer to the range of present day Mt. Ararat in Turkey (elevation 16,854 ft) the amount of water necessary to cover it would be at least 16,854 ft (over 3 miles) above sea level.] = not likely!!!

ESV Study Bible Notes on Gen. 6:17 Again the scholarship is on my side, not yours.

Apparently you have never questioned your elementary sunday school lessons but simply believed what you were told to believe.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


Lee, nowhere does Scripture say Noah's flood was local, the opposite. Consider Genesis 7:19 part "....all (Hebrew 'kol') the high mountains under all (Hebrew 'kol') the heavens were covered." Leupold ('Exposition of Genesis' p.301,2,) says this double use of 'kol' means the flood was global. Further "under all the heavens" is used 6 times elsewhere in the OT (Deu. 2:25, 4:19, Job 28.24, 37:3, 41:11, Daniel 9:12). It always has a universal meaning. For example "Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine says the Lord" Job 41:11.

BTW 'all' in Luke 2:1 is not relevant to Genesis ch.'s 6-8 as it is clear 'all' refers to the Roman world. Not the world under 'all the heavens.'
---Warwick on 1/2/10


Lee: So, you now believe that it was only local "flash" floods that floated Noah's ark. What a ride! Well maybe scholarship is on your side, but sanity certainly isn't.
---jerry6593 on 1/3/10


Warwick - Althro God intends the flood to destroy every person & his remarks have a strong universal emphasis, this in itself does not necessarily mean the flood had to cover the whole earth.

Since the geographical perspective of ancient people was more limited than of contemporary readers, it is possible the flood while universal from their viewpoint, did not cover the entire globe.

Indeed Genesis implies prior to the Tower of Babel incident people had not yet spread thruout the earth.

The expression 'all the earth' does not exclude such possibility as 'all the earth' came to Joseph to buy grain.(41:57)

ESV Study Bible notes on Gen. 6:17

The scholarship is on my side, not on yours, too bad!
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


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Trav I still don't get your point about red hair. I think you are judging Egyptians of the distant past with the current inhabitants. You cannot do that. People of numerous racial groups have inhabited/ruled Egypt over the milennia.

Archaeology had shown that people with fair hair lived in China in the distant past. So what?

2-12,000 witnesses! Please explain?

I am not in any what you call 'denom' box. Scripture is my authority. I don't have the truth God has and it is in His word. You only trust part of it.
---Warwick on 1/2/10


Jerry // If the flood were only local, then why did any land animals, or people for that matter, have to die?

During that time the earth's population was very small and localized. It was only necessary for God to destroy only that area that was inhabited. As to moving to higher ground, the flood was upon them before they realized what was happening. Here where I live, some people die from flash floods.

We should be careful in our interpretation of God's word since 'all' does not always mean the totality of things as Warwick would claim.

the church at one time believed the world was flat based upon their interpretation of the Bible. As to very bad interpretation, you know that some predicted Jesus would return in 1844.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


Lee: If the flood were only local, then why did any land animals, or people for that matter, have to die? Why didn't they just move to higher ground. After all, they had 40 days and could have traveled hundreds of miles in that time. The earth is not flat, so most places have higher ground within 1000 miles.
---jerry6593 on 1/2/10


"Some had Red Hair" ?????

You pick and choose what parts of Scripture you believe but keep referring to God!---Warwick on 12/31/09

Red Hair? Little out of the norm when ones thinks of Egypt. Admit it, u didn't know it. I listed name. Google it.
You accuse me of being a scripture selective picker? This is a good one. I'll compare my 2-12,000 witnesses with you any minute/day/mth/year. I encourage others to find them. You don't for some reason?? hmmm.
When I try to provoke you to step out of the denom box to show you....just what scripture might say. You are afraid....of losing 60 years of preaching ground? It was already lost when you quit searching for truth thinking you have it already.
---Trav on 1/2/10


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Lee, of course you can't believe the whole earth was destroyed by the flood. It doesn't fit with your foundational nonBiblical views.
I imagine you do not believe the present heavens and the earth will one day be destroyed by fire. Just some part of it.

I enjoy being called "semi-illiterate" (or more corectly semi-literate) by the likes of you, a prideful faithless man.
---Warwick on 1/2/10


Warwick - As I have said before you are a semi-illiterate. You believe only what you are told and that without question as more comprehensive viewpoints would certainly undermine your foundational pseudo-biblical views.

And your interpretation of 'all the world' was flooded simply holds little water as 'all' does not always meant the totality of everything. Your view that 'all' the world was to be taxed by Rome (Luke 2:1), that Caesars tax collectors reached Bombay, India or Beijing, China is totally ludicrous. Too bad you cannot see that.

You really need to heed the Lords advice to buy yourself some eye salve. Rev. 3:18.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


Lee of course you don't believe in the global flood!

Your world-view is an unstable alloy of Scripture and man's nonBiblical ideas. You commence with a nonBiblical long-ages view which of necessity holds that the worldwide deep layers of sedimentary rock (containing countless billions of fossils) is the result of death and flooding over billions of years. Therefore they cannot be the result of Noah's flood, obviously. Therefore you are forced to reject the plain words of Scripture (here and elsewhere), proposing some local flood.

As I have said before you are a semi-liberal. You believe only that part of Scripture which does not undermine your foundational nonBiblical views.
---Warwick on 1/1/10


Warwick - I also do not believe the entire earth was flooded during the time of Noah, but only that part of the world that was inhabited by human beings.

Most of us who read and understand the Bible realize that 'all' does not always mean the totality of something.

Lu 2:1 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that ALL the world should be registered.

I rather doubt any of Caesar's tax collectors got as far as Bombay India or Beijing China.

Again all too many of your views are based upon ASSUMPTIONS, rather than good sense.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


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Trav, you believe certain civilizations were extant during Noah's flood. Genesis say the flood covered all the earth, therefore this cannot be so. You apparently believe in some dating system (which you trust more than Scripture) which shows these civilizations existed before during and after the flood.

I ask again-what is this dating system?

You write "Some Egyptians were of Adam..." Where did the nonAdamic Egyptians come from???

"Some had Red Hair" ?????

You pick and choose what parts of Scripture you believe but keep referring to God! Which God is that? The God of Scripture who gets so much wrong (according to you) of some other god?
---Warwick on 12/31/09


Also you appear to be saying that Egyptians, and others, are not descendants of Noah and His family? Is this so?
Are they descendants of Adam?
---Warwick on 12/30/09

Some Egyptians were of Adam, some of Noah perhaps, some were not. Egypt has had many rulers. Some had Red Hair. Ramesses II (of the 19th Dynasty.

You're doctrine needs all men to be of Noah for scriptural connection. Why you must, avoid or doc-denom interpret scripture. Never stopping to reason it will not change what GOD has chosen/chooses. Can be a point of not honoring God, or what his purposes are. Your logic is more noble than GOD's plan. I do post this for your own benefit, not a rebuke. Some Berean sheep will seek and find if pointed as well.
---Trav on 12/31/09


These sediments have since hardened into sedimentary rock, containing fossils of billions of creatures killed by the flood.
---Warwick on 12/28/09
Wow, you need reason/research the sediments out more. Geology, is done globally now. Core samples are your global theory's demise.
One reason I even blog about this,your theory, and thats what it is. It is not credible anymore with what has been discovered,dated and tested by time/history & scriptural research. Most importantly we enjoy a more thorough knowledge of witnessing ancient languages.
I can tell you earnestly believe your theory....but, allow no other witnesses. A danger really. Adam, Noah...Israel...the connection.
---Trav on 12/31/09


The atheists really cannot! God calls them FOOLS!
---catherine on 12/31/09


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Jerry:
1) The pyramids are on top of the layers of fossilized (flood-produced) rock.

(2) The Bible claims that Egypt is the land of Cush - the grandson of Noah.
---jerry6593 on 12/31/09

1. Pyramids predate Noah. Flood period 2400-2300. Pyramids built: King Zoser in 2750 BC.
"Old Kingdom, Egypt" extended from 2800 to 2175 B.C.,third through the tenth dynasties. No record of Total Flood interruption. Perhaps,Pyramids set on fossil base of 1st/only recorded total flood was Gen 1:9 God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
2. Ethiopia, is what most believe. Scripture research points to it being Iraq.
---Trav on 12/31/09


Trav: "Now you've fell [sic] into dated history."

You are way off base. Both the Bible and geology attest to the development of the Egyptian culture AFTER the flood.

(1) The pyramids are on top of the layers of fossilized (flood-produced) rock.

(2) The Bible claims that Egypt is the land of Cush - the grandson of Noah.
---jerry6593 on 12/31/09


Trav you obviously believe that some dating method proves that Egypt, for example, continued through the global flood. I have asked you what dating method convinces you of this. As yet no answer!

Also you appear to be saying that Egyptians, and others, are not descendants of Noah and His family? Is this so?

Are they descendants of Adam?
---Warwick on 12/30/09


What we call egypt was not there pre-flood. ---Warwick on 12/28/09

Now you've fell into dated history.
Consider this. You actually search. You find truth. You preach truth, and you might become what you desire to be now.
Informed, humble enough to acknowledge that there is always something to grow with in scripture.
As "pharoah preacher"....sooner maybe later, you will have to let GOD's sheep/people go. Your uni doctrine won't save you, it will annul you.
Don't get all hotsy totsy....I defended your Doc-position...before I knew better.

If one searches. Egypt and China document through the flood period.
You've got big problems with your sediments...they don't tell same story your denom either.
---Trav on 12/30/09


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when one attempts to wrap their thoughts around existance,and how matter, in any form could have existed without a begining point,ones mind begins to hurt.Even the bb proclaims a infatisimally small,but staggering, beyond comprehension mass, being crushed under its own weight,exploded, releasing the matter we see now,and creating time and space,but has no answer as to where it came from,probably never will.For me the only thing that makes sense is a creator.
---tom2 on 12/30/09


They explain it by...

Big bang, to Galaxy formation, to Sun formations, to Planet formations, to Bacterial formations, to Evolution formations, to Intelligent formations...

Their god? Chaos, Chance, and natural selection.
---JoelV. on 12/30/09


Tina: "He said they know the BB happened" And just how would they "know" that it happened? The BB theory was invented by a science fiction writer, George Gamow. It is pure science fiction. It requires miricles to explain and blind faith to believe. It produces more questions than answers. It has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
---jerry6593 on 12/29/09


Trav, "The world of that time was deluged and destroyed" 2 Peter 3:6 The landforms of the old world are gone.

The deep worldwide layers of sedimentary rock are consistent with the old world's destruction. This sedimentary rock is the old world's landforms, torn up by the cataclysm then laid down under deep flowing water. These sediments have since hardened into sedimentary rock, containing fossils of billions of creatures killed by the flood.

The preflood civilizations did not survive the flood. Their very land was gone, shredded, and redeposited in places which have no connection to the old landforms. What we call egypt was not there pre-flood. It is postflood land populated by Noah's ancestors.
---Warwick on 12/28/09


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With a globbal flood we would expect to see deep sediments, containing countless dead organisms,...

The dates for the civilizations you keep mentioning are based upon untestable assumptions. ---Warwick on 12/23/09

1. Global sediments should reveal for proof a uniform layer from the flood period. This is not found globally. The opposite is.
2. The fact remains, these civilizations would have start up immediately where they left off. They get off the ARK and say...I'm gonna take Egypt/China/Minoan/etc and continue their work. Click. (Light on).
You're denom/doctrinally stuck universal, but Berean types won't be. Truth, turns the lights on....for those who thirst to see.
---Trav on 12/28/09


Then someone came up with the idea of a consoldiated god, made up the story of Genesis,....But, why pretend there is an answer?
---atheist on 12/22/09

Consolidated GOD. A fine theory.....but negated, for facts witnessed by millions. Dead raised, blind see etc,etc.
In actuality. You fear this GOD. You fear him not forgiving you for whatever you are doing now, fear keeps you from finding your ultimate answer.
You won't read scriptures....U R afraid. Ignorance is safety.
But, if you are a true Atheist....why would you care? It's meaningless, right? So read,....find "two or three" witnesses in error, that we are missing.
---Trav on 12/28/09


My mother was at a restaurant and while they had to wait to be seated a couple allowed my parents to site while waiting. He was a real scientist (while she was doubting God in her life) she decided to ask if scientists believe in God. He said they know the BB happened, but what made THAT happen is unanswered. What the T.V. program The Universe
---Tina on 12/28/09


"Big Bang theory."
---amand6348 on 12/27/09

Uhhh.... Could you be a little more specific? The BB Theory does not mention the origin of life - only the origin and distribution of elemental matter and energy.
---jerry6593 on 12/28/09


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I believe our origin is of vital importance.

If God is our source we have ultimate purpose. God made, owns us, and sets the rules. Right and wrong is not governed by capricious humanity, but by perfect, selfless, unchanging God, who died in our place so we may inherit eternal life. Created with purpose, lived with purpose, purpose for eternity.

If we appeared by naturalistic causes, we appeared for no purpose. There are no rules, other than those which can be enforced upon us by others. Might is right! No solid foundation for morality, other than opinion. Finally the pointless struggle is over. We come without purpose, we exist, then we are gone. Nihilism!
---Warwick on 12/27/09


Big Bang theory.
---amand6348 on 12/27/09


as with all,until proven scientifically they have no explanation other than it must have happened because we exist,how is not relevant, and can only be debated until as they believe one day when man will prove how life created itself
---tom2 on 12/27/09


//Not knowing is not the same as not believing in 'god'//


but...
the not knowing, is void of a truth.
In confessing you don't know, gives opportunity for the void to be filled.

God alone is that truth,
and very patient with it.
---char on 12/27/09


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athiest,the sad thing is there are more people who believe in santa claus,and the tooth fairy,than GOD,and even sadder that the universe some how made itself from nothing,from nothing,or worse yet that something always existed,then made itself something else.problem is these people want a physical explainable reality for existance,and ultimately reject God more because they really dont want to be held responsible,or feel like they are not in control of their own destiny,or simply their faith is in what they can see or touch ,or explain,just as thomas was after the resurrection.
---tom2 on 12/27/09


The starting point of a circle is THE CENTER. The paradigm shift in thinking (reference point) required to understand the spiritual world is DIMENSIONAL (dimensions of the mind, wisdom, etc......philosophical).

Like a circle, God (and all truth about Him) is INTEGRAL. God is the center/origin and everything that exists has eminated from Him (but not all will return to the center).

The Godly spiritual wisdom expressed in the bible could only be expressed in human terms...

Romans 6:19
"human terms...".

Biological life is not the same as 'consciousness life' (Jesus is CONSCIOUSNESS LIFE, John 14:6, self/"I am who I am" if we truly choose Him).

People resent those who they feel are superior.
---more_excellent_way on 12/26/09


Agnostic: Did you mean that your life seems to be a circle, or did you mean to imply that your reasoning is circular in nature? The latter would explain a great deal.
---jerry6593 on 12/26/09


The(phiolosophical) starting point on a circle is irrelevant to the o.p.
Science requires facts ,religion requires faith -in spite of science or phiolosophy.
Science cannot discover it,phiolosophers can only postulate the idea.Revelation is the only method remaining.
---earl on 12/25/09


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I think it is wonderful how a nonbeliever, like atheist, vainly endeavors to group proven fabricated fantasies together with the proven real fact.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


Atheist you are beginning to sound quite religious in talking of life without origin, which means without beginning. Not my definition BTW. Are you proposing that 'life,' that which is alive, as we are, has always been, is therefore eternal?

I have to agree with Jerry that if you keep saying 'I don't know' we will have to rename you Agnostic.
---Warwick on 12/25/09


Jerry,

I am an atheist when it comes to 'god', Santa Claus, and the tooth fairy.

As far as the phrase "origin of life" in its many meanings, interpretations, and implications, I do not know. I am not sure the phrase means anything. At the core and perhaps now unseeable level, there be be 'life' in places that you might call non-life', and as far as "origin"---tell me where the starting point on a circle is.

Not knowing is not the same as not believing in 'god'.
---atheist on 12/25/09


Thank you for your humility Wayne. I was surprized, and disappointed by what you wrote. God bless.
---Warwick on 12/25/09


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I didn't "submit" to my dad, I LOVED Him and learned.

Neither did I fear Him. When He saw that what I was doing was serious enough that I should be chastised/corrected for my mischeivous bad judgement, I didn't RESENT his instruction (that is why I didn't fear him).

I learned well from him. If it wasn't for him, I would have grown up a simple "creature of habit" overloaded with insecurities and foolish ways. I would never have developed a "conscience"/SELF and become a unique individual to truly experience LIFE.

As far as my earthly heritage, my dad is why I have experienced life as a "unique individual".

"Submit"/obey means that it's "against your will".
---more_excellent_way on 12/25/09


---Warwick, yes I should have chosen my words more carefully.
---wayne on 12/25/09


Atheist: Of course I miss you! Bantering with you is the high point of my day.

I see that you have confirmed my thesis - atheists have no explanation for the origin of life. I think I'll generate a new thesis - there are no "atheists," only "agnostics," - since your only answer to this question has ever been "I DON'T KNOW."
---jerry6593 on 12/25/09


there really is no explanation for life in an athiestic lifestyle,other than the same reteric that scientist proclaim,BANG,then over 13.7 billion years later we showed up.
---tom2 on 12/25/09


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Wayne how rude and wrong of you to call atheists stupid. Faith in Jesus (fortunately) is not an IQ test. If you are Christian are you not called to pray for those who do not yet know Christ, rather than insult them?
---Warwick on 12/25/09


atheists get their orgin from the devil. he tells them there are no God. And they being stupid believe him. he tells Christians ok there is a God but He will understand if you don't submit. he tell agnoists if there was a God He wouldn't let you go through your troubles.
---wayne on 12/24/09


The PROGRESSION of life on earth (evolution/adaptation) is not the same as the ORIGIN of life.

The Israelites did not have God in entirety, they only had the heavenly Father, but now we have both the Father and the Son...

2 John 1:9
"does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God, he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son".

Colossians 2:9
"in him the whole fulness of deity dwells".

....Jesus says...

John 14:6
"I am....THE life" (real "life" is everlasting).

GOD is the origin of life, not "evolution" (separate ideas).

If there was a "primordial soup", the creator created it.
---more_excellent_way on 12/23/09


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