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The Mind Of Christ

What does the Apostle Paul mean when he said:
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." Do we have the mind of Christ?

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2 Peter 2:20

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


What is the holy commandment? You know what it is (1 John 3:23).

If it was Gods sovereign will that they accepted Christ (elected before the foundation of the world) then why did they turn from Him after escaping the pollution of the world through Him?

Free will
---JackB on 1/4/10


kathr4453 //Calvin was influenced by Augustine,a known GNOSTIC.

I wonder if anyone will agree with you on that one. He is considered to be one of the theology giants of our faith.

//Calvin believed he was born again/regenerated at his infant baptism.

There is nothing in Calvin's works that supports that viewpoint. Infant baptism was viewed simply a means of grafting a child into the covenant relationship much the same as circumcision was to the Old Covenant.

//I don't need to read the Institutes any more than I need to read the book of Mormon to know truth from lie!

And that is at the very root of the problem that all too many people refuse to do the necessary research to validate what they want to believe.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


It's interesting Calvinists believe God hates the sinner, and not the sin.

MarkV, If in your theology God only picks sinners He wants based on no merit of their own, for the purpose of forgivness and breaking the power of sin in our life,(this IS salvation) wouldn't you think, seeing God hates sin that that would be the desire He has for all mankind? God hates SIN, not the sinner. For God to purposely not chose would mean He really does hate the sinner and can't wait to punish with eternal damnation.

Why can't you believe SALVATION offered to ALL is a wonderful GIFT God has for anyone who wants it.

Your not having free will anymore doesn't keep you sinless. But you say free will caused sin?

Calvinism is messed up !
---kathr4453 on 1/4/10


"The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone, and A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense, They stumble, been disobedient to the Word, to which they also were appointed


See to me that reads they stumbled because they were disobedient to the "W"ord (KJV doesnt capitalize W) to which they were appointed.

Showing that Gods will was that they obey the word....yet they didnt.

So much for "irresistable" grace
---JackB on 1/4/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, The mind of Christ is the Holy Ghost, in the Hearts of us who have been Drawn by God to the receiving of our Lord : which beseeches us to pray & spread the Gospel in Christ's stead, to "Whosoever", unbeknown to us, of the world is to be reconciled to God. 2Cor.5:19-20

--- JackB :

Brother, We as God's Children claim, not Calvinism, but the Drawing Grace of God's Spirit which is 'Irresistible' to WHOSOEVER has ears to hear. 1Cor.1:11-27

Just as Eve in the Garden, your confusion stems from "Speculation". So stay away from it and you'll Understand that the Sovereign Will of God's Word has nothing to do with man's will b/c man's will is not God's Will !!
---Shawn.M.T on 1/4/10




No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

--
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
(And we do, but we dont believed?) (yes we!)
--
-- Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true,

but every man a liar! (do you see this!)
--

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God!

Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
---TheSeg on 1/4/10


Jack B, Part #2: I don't know if my son will ever obey God. I also don't know if he is appointed to continue to be disobedient to the Word of God. Many are. Just read 1 Peter 7-8,
"Therefore, to you (believers) who believe, He is precious, but to those who are disobedient,
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone, and A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense, They stumble, been disobedient to the Word, 'to which they also were appointed"

Unbelief is the disobedience, since the call of the gospel to repent and believe is a command from God.
---MarkV. on 1/4/10


Was not many of Calvin's views also shared by such giants of the faith as Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Martin Luther, Jonathan Edwards and others?

Again, we need be careful in imposing our own value system onto what the Bible actually tells us as clearly there are things in the Bible that conflict with what we would want to believe. ABSOLUTELY LEE!!!
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10

Calvin was influenced by Augustine,a known GNOSTIC.

Calvin believed he was born again/regenerated at his infant baptism.

I know that's not what scripture states!

I don't need to read the Institutes any more than I need to read the book of Mormon to know truth from lie! When you KNOW the real thing,the counterfeit POPS!!!
---kathr4453 on 1/4/10


Jack B, I accept your apology. Lets let it go. We are brothers in Christ.
You said:
"I am confused on one thing. Hypothetically speaking of course, IF your son isn't one of the "elect" (chosen before the foundation of the world) why exactly would you be praying for him unless you believed God would alter His plan based on your prayers?"

Simple, God's wants us to depend on Him. We are also called to pray for the salvation of others. To proclaim the gospel. Prayer doesn't guarantee we get what we want. But it makes us dependent upon God not on ourselves. Keeps our relationship close to God, and I don't know if he is one of the elect. So I pray it is God's will that he be saved.
---MarkV. on 1/4/10


// If my son is not one of the elect, of course I am sorry he is not. But as a believer I pray for God to change him.// - MarkV

I am confused on one thing. Hypothetically speaking of course, IF your son isn't one of the "elect" (chosen before the foundation of the world) why exactly would you be praying for him unless you believed God would alter His plan based on your prayers?

A point very clearly made by Calvanism is that Gods sovereign will has nothing to do with man's free will. (ie. Irresistable Grace)

Lee, it was a typo and an apology has already been made for it. I know it was and God knows it was . If you wish to know it was a typo as well simply ask the Lord and Im sure He will let you know.
---JackB on 1/4/10




144,000 8/8

WOW!! Pauls brethren, of tribes were NOT in the adoption, to whom the covenants belonged to, did not enter the adoption!! This is why had great SORROW in His heart!!

Paul, rather that His kinsmen, descendants of the Tribes of Israel would be IN CHRIST and he himself be accursed!!

3 For I could wish that MYSELF were ACCURSED <<< FROM CHRIST<<< for MY BRETHREN, my kinsmen (of the Tribes Israel, as Paul was!!) ACCORDING TO THE FLESH:

IF not even PAULS KINSMEN did not qualify 4 the Promise!!
How many physical descendants of tribes TODAY, qualify by believing in Christ as the Son of God? Arent many still looking for the Messiah?

Isaiah the Prophet was sorrowful as Paul!!
---Paul9594 on 1/3/10


Paul9594 - agree that there are many today who believe themselves to be in Christ but really have deceived themselves. The Word tells us to examine ourselves to see if we truly are in the faith.

2 Cor.13:5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

However, there are those who are "false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage..."to the Old Torah law...Gal. 2:4f
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


144,000 4/8

Children of Father, the same thing is happening to many believers today, they think they are in Christ. But their walk is the evidence, they do not follow truly follow him because these do not have the FULLNESS of the Gospel FAITH AND OBEDIENCE.
THESE will be surprised after they show their MIGHTY, MIGHTY works, to hear Matthew 7:21-23.

After this brief reasoning on the Tribes descendants, we will come back and continue to show the Nations are also grafted into Israel, some dont realize this yet!! Oh the mystery of the Gospel, being revealed to His children, after much deception!!!

I may share some of the Law and the prophets Scriptures for further proof on the 144,000 identity and purpose!
---Paul9594 on 1/3/10


144,000 7/8

Not all the Israelites obtained adoptions as SONS!! Some of ISRAEL NOT SAVED!!! THIS IS why Paul said:

Rom 9:6. For they ARE NOT all Israel THAT ARE of Israel:

Rom 9:7 NEITHER, because they are Abraham's seed(descendants,Tribes), ARE THEY all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh(physical descendants/Tribes of Isarel) that are children of God, but the children OF THE PROMISE are reckoned for a seed.

WOW!! Only those WITH THE SPIRIT OF PROMISE (SHOWING EVIDENCE)ARE TRUE ISRAEL!!!

Ephesians 1:13 ...gospel of your :salvation,in whom, having also believed, YOU WERE SEALED <<< with the Holy :SPIRIT OF THE PROMISE!!
---Paul9594 on 1/3/10


Jack B #2: We are called to pray for the salvation of others for the very reason we don't know who are the elect. We don't know who will be save and who will not. If the person like my son has power to change his own heart and mind and bring himself to spiritual life, then praying to God means nothing. Why even pray.
You don't have to believe this truths which are written in Scripture. You can by pass every passage that states that God does the choosing. That He does the calling, That He brings life to the lost soul. That he grants repentance, and that He grants faith. And attribute all those works to man instead of God. That is your right. You are not the only one fighting the Sovereign right for God to do the choosing, stand in line.
---MarkV. on 1/3/10


Why did peter walk on the water.
Some say, no one knows why! I keep quiet!
But I can say! Peter walk on the water because he did not doubt.

Is it hard to doubt God, I would say no. its one of the easiest things to do.
But to trust God! To try to understand why it is, it must be this way.
To know you are his, all of you. No matter what you may think.

Like what lee put down, out of the same lump!
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Now will you ask how this can be!
What hard is to trust with your heart!
---TheSeg on 1/3/10


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Jack B, I am not God so I don't know why we have this plan. But He knows. And as a genuine believer I trust that what God does it is always righteous and always perfect even when I don't understand it all. He never makes mistakes. If my son is not one of the elect, of course I am sorry he is not. But as a believer I pray for God to change him. Thats why we are called to pray for the salvation of others. I don't know if He will or not. But my hope is in Christ, not in my son. He has no power within him to change his own heart, mind, or even to bring Spiritual life to himself. God has to create a love for Christ in his heart in order for him to confess Christ as his Savior. God has to convict his heart in order for him to see his sin against God.
---MarkV. on 1/3/10


JackB - apparently your problem is with the sovereignty of God not with what you conceive of as being Calvinism.

Read Romans 9 -

Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated. What shall we say then? Is there injustice on Gods part? By no means!

I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

So he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use?

God is not bound by what we view as fair.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


JackB //And Lee, I feel it safe to say that sometimes emotions taking control of intellect are what lead to things such as mercy and grace.

While I do indeed have some disagreements with MarkV on some minor issues, apparently in this case, you became angry and your emotions made you post that you hated him.

I can understand that as I sometimes engage my mouth before my brain. You should be honest with yourself and admit you were in the wrong.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


MarkV, my point is, how do you know God didnt "elect" one of your children to wrath?

Im not talking about your son rejecting Christ. Im talking about him never being given the opportunity to accept Him.

And Lee, I feel it safe to say that sometimes emotions taking control of intellect are what lead to things such as mercy and grace. Had Gods emotions not taken control of His actions, do you think you would be the person you are in Christ right now?

If only people used their hearts a little more instead of thinking that knowledge is more important than love.
---JackB on 1/2/10


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//I know I cannot change him, and also know he will never change unless God changes his heart first. I pray for him and ask God to bring him to his knees and convict him..//- MarkV

Sorry MarkV, but if God had made your son a vessel of his wrath from the foundation of the world (by Calvanist belief), then your prayers wont help.

Unless of course you're suggesting Gods "election" is based on your love for your child rather than his sovereignty.

(I pray of course that you son does come to Christ. I wish no man to perish)
---JackB on 1/2/10


//So your take is Bereans should have never tested what was being said against scripture,

The Bereans were not in the business of re-translating the Scripture nor did they have to put up with various versions of the Scripture they respected.

What they were doing is to determine if what Paul has preached to them was the truth found in scripture. And that was whether what he said about Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Scripture.

Don't know what JackB has to do with sheep or goat herding.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


144,000 3/8

The coming Scripture reasoning written by Paul the apostle, shows his own KINSMEN THOUGH physical descendants of the Tribes of Israel. As Paul was, WERE not sealed by the Spirit of promise, BECAUSE they did not show themselves to have true faith nor obedience in the true Christ!!

Is there anything new under the sun? No

Pauls kinsmen physical descendants of the Tribes of Israel were not of true Israel, had no true faith in Christ, evident with their walk, did not obey the Law/Torah in the Spirit of love: Christ!! Matthew 23:3
---Paul9594 on 1/2/10


144,000 5/8
Paul the Apostle, AFTER the resurrection of Christ, baptized in the Holy Spirit, writing to gentile converts approx. 30 yrs, well INTO the CHURCH AGE, speaking of His Kinsmen said:

Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2 That I have .CONTINUAL SORROW in my HEART.

(Why does Paul have so much sorrow, INTO the CHURCH AGE?)

3 For I could wish that MYSELF were ACCURSED FROM CHRIST for MY BRETHREN, my kinsmen (WHO WERE physical descendants of the Tribes Israel, as Paul was!!) according to the flesh:

Paul would rather trade His salvation to give it to His Brethren, not saved!!!!!
What!! Many tribes of Israel not saved!!!
---Paul9594 on 1/2/10


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144,000 6/8

Again, Paul would rather trade His salvation to give it to His Brethren, NOT saved!!!!!

What!! At least some of the physical descendants of the Tribes of Israel not saved!!! How they can carry their lineage after the resurrection of Christ? Some are not even saved!!!
Romans 9, verse 4:

WHO ARE ISRALITES (of the Tribes of Israel as Paul was!!!), to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises,

The adoption belonged to Israelites, they also have to be adopted by faith and obedience in the Spirit of Christ!

NoT all the Israelites obtained adoptions as SONS!! Some of DESCENDANTS OF ISRAEL, NOT SAVED!!!
---Paul9594 on 1/2/10


144k, a1/7
Isaiah the Prophet cried as Paul did!! 4 the same reason.

Romans 9:27:
27 Isaiah CRIETH concerning :Israel, If the number of the SONS of ISRAEL be as the SAND of the sea, (ONLY) the REMNANT shall be saved:

ROMANS 9:26 about the nations:
26 And it shall be, where it was said to them, Ye are
not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.

Those not His People, SHALL BE CALLED the SONS OF THE LIVING Father!! Because there is only one seed, of the Seed of Christ, the Seed Is His Word, Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
For Bearing the fruit: ONE body of Christ, ONE Israel!!!
---Paul9594 on 1/2/10


Im sorry but I dont know where you derive that I dont give God all the glory for my salvation.

Is it because Im not Calvanist? Is it because I believe God wants all men to be saved?

No, Mark, it is still Gods salvation. He didnt have to offer me eternal life through Jesus Christ but by His grace He did. I could have never worked my way to Him and Im thankful every day that He loved me enough to do so.

Our only difference is I believe He loves ALL men as He does me and would gladly give them eternal life through Christ if they would not harden themselves to the Spirit that is drawing them to Him.
---JackB on 1/2/10


"For God so loved the world.....that whosoever..."

I realize that as most cults do now someone will pick the word "world" apart and claim it has some other meaning. Take it away. Might as well do the words: world, all, men, whosoever, any, ---JackB on 1/1/10

JackB,
So your take is Bereans should have never tested what was being said against scripture. They were nasty unbelieving cult that should never have been mentioned in scripture. Right??
You're the kinda guy that would adopt Esau. You're a "Good" man, who should "Berean".
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

R u gonna be a goat or a sheep herder?
---Trav on 1/2/10


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Jack B #2: I believe he might have to go through some terrible experience as I did in order for God to open his eyes and ears to the Word. I don't want that to happen but I am not God. In my life, I was down to almost killing myself losing my wife. The last time I had to go to his truck I found a Bible under the seat. What that tells me is that somehow he must be searching or seeking God. And no one who is lost seeks after God. So it might be that God is already working in his heart and only God knows when he will make a commitment. It might be years from now after I am gone, but my trust is in Christ, that it will happen. That is why I keep praying for him. Kathr can cherry pick my response as she did before. Whatever moves her heart.
---MarkV. on 1/2/10


alan8566 -//JackB ... Your original statement is no longer visible but your published words definitely said that you did hate MarkV.It must have been a typo, the word "not" was missing.

I believe it best that we forgive JackB for his errant comment. Things like that happen when we let our emotions guide us instead of our intellect.

While we all have different viewpoints on some topics, we need be tolerant on things that are peripheral to the gospel message.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


Jack B #3: your remarks towards my sons are a very bad example of your understanding of Scripture. You say, If I don't want to adopt my son you will. My sons are not up for adoption, for they are grown man, and I am still alive.
Those words come from a very unsettled heart towards another just because you don't want to give the glory to God for bringing you to your knees. If you cannot see how God had to convict you in order for you to bend those knees of yours, then you have learn nothing about God. As I said before, it is only those who call themselves Christains who argue against the sovereign power of the Holy Spirit to convict them and bring them to Christ. No amount of fee will can do the power of God.
---MarkV. on 1/2/10


Yeah thats possible Alan. If it was a typo, my apologies, Mark.

It was supposed to say something about my words being angry, but I didnt hate him. I was just frustrated.

Funny that it didnt get posted....
---JackB on 1/1/10


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JackB ... Mark deserves your apology.

You did say you hated him, and it was probably that declaration of hate that caused the blog to be removed entirely from this forum.

If you meant you did not hate him, you should have taken greater care to actually type the word "not"!!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/2/10


Jack B, to your other remark about my children, let me say how I feel. I have three of my children who are born of the spirit, one grandson who is preparing himself now that he is out of college to enter a Bible School. Yet I have one son who is determined to go against God. I know I cannot change him, and also know he will never change unless God changes his heart first. I pray for him and ask God to bring him to his knees and convict him. Since my wife and I came to the Lord, many in my family have been saved through our witnessing to them and through our example after we were saved. As a Christian my dependance is on God not on my son. So I know that a supernatural act of God has to happen to him in order for him to come to Christ. Continue:
---MarkV. on 1/2/10


"For God so loved the world.....that whosoever..."

I realize that as most cults do now someone will pick the word "world" apart and claim it has some other meaning. Take it away. Might as well do the words: world, all, men, whosoever, any, and whole also

I guess as Christians we should follow our Calvanist Father's example and love one of our children and kick the other out on the street just because we can. Let them freeze to death just so the loved child will know how good they have it on the inside.

If you have children, Mark, pick which one you will love and which one you will hate. I'll gladly adopt the one you choose to hate.
---JackB on 1/1/10


JackB ... Your original statement is no longer visible but your published words definitely said that you did hate MarkV.

It must have been a typo, the word "not" was missing.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/1/10


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that we love our neighbor, especially those in Christ

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
:)
---TheSeg on 1/1/10


Actually I said that I didnt hate you but I was frustrated with you. Way to twist my words.
---JackB on 1/1/10


Jack B, my response to your hate statement. You said you hated me, My love is unconditional the same way it is for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. When the Bible says we're chosen in Him before the foundation of the world: Elect to be saved, I believe it with all my heart. And when the Bible says, you will not come unto Me that you might have life, whomever will may come and if you don't come it's your fault" I believe that with all my heart as well, and the fact that I cannot resolve everything proves that I'm not God. And that's all it proves. It doesn't prove anything about God. It only proves something about me. It doesn't impugn the character or nature of God at all, it only shows that I am limited in my understandings.
---MarkV. on 1/1/10


Jack B Part #2: You don't have to love me. You can hate me. For it is the Preceptive will of God that we don't sin, that we love our neighbor, especially those in Christ, that we repent each time we sin, that we be holy. This aspect of God's will is revealed in His word as well as in our conscience, by which God has written His moral law upon our hearts. While this will of God is binding, and we have no authority to violate it, we do have the power or ability to thwart the preceptive will of God, though never the right to do so. So you do have that ability. I am sorry you feel that way. I still love you, no matter what you feel. As I said, my love is unconditional.
---MarkV. on 1/1/10


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JackB, kathr4453 - would it not be prudent of us to first examine why Calvin believed as he did and take it from there instead of demanding that our view be one that has to be correct?

Was not many of Calvin's views also shared by such giants of the faith as Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Martin Luther, Jonathan Edwards and others?

Again, we need be careful in imposing our own value system onto what the Bible actually tells us as clearly there are things in the Bible that conflict with what we would want to believe.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


//Calvinists do not have the mind of Christ, they have the mind of Calvin.

Much of what dear old Calvin beleived is to be found in the works of Augustine of Hippo.

Much else is based upon his exegetics of Scripture and can be defended. Try reading his Institutes of the Christian Religion if you want to be convinced. This work probably influenced theology more than any other works.
---Lee1538 on 12/31/09


Ya know I just figured out what Calvanism is missing... LOVE


---JackB on 12/31/09


Calvinists do not have the mind of Christ, they have the mind of Calvin. Calvin was a murderer with NO LOVE whatsoever. Calvin's children are in my opinion satan's children trying to blaspheme God and cause people to hate God by distorting the Gospel. Unfortunately they can't see themselves as we see them.


Jesus came not only to forgive of sin..but to break the power of sin in our life. THIS is what is totally MISSING not only in their doctrine but life! Murder/hate are one in the same.
---kathr4453 on 12/31/09


This is an example of why I read the King James. It uses IN in the verse. One word can change the entire meaning of a verse sometimes.

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God IN their foreheads.

To me that meant it was some form of knowledge that saved them, possibly the gospel, because an angel is mentioned delivering the gospel to those in the tribulation period (Rev 14:6)
---JackB on 12/31/09


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Paul9594:

I have to disagree with your interpretation of the sealing of the 144K being the Holy Spirit.

Rev 7:2-3 "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God, and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea saying, Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."

The seal was being carried/transported by an angel. Also, the seal is applied to the forehead only.

The Holy Spirit seals us, body soul, and spirit for God (1 Thes 5:23).
---Mark_Eaton on 12/31/09


If you are not aware that you have the mind of Christ it is because you are carnal and your carnal mind is waring against your spiritual mind.
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds,) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ,

You have to submit to the mind of Christ to have it.
---exzucuh on 12/31/09


Paul9594 **and I'm moving to why 144,000 includes GENTILES sons!!

But that would certainly be contrary to what Scripture states.

The 144,000 are the sum of 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Israel, not of the Gentiles at all. (7:5-8)

In regard to this number, the first and the main question is, whether it is meant that this was to be the literal number, or whether it was symbolical, and, if the latter, of what it is a symbol.

We are left with mere speculation and anyone who claims that is pertains to their particular denomination really has no basis for their belief.
---Lee1538 on 12/31/09


Matthew 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

And the Pharisees truly worshipped the law and did everything they could possibly conceive of to obey it.

But our righteousness does not not come from the law since for the Christian Christ is our rigtheousness, sanctification & redemption. (1 Cor. 1:30).

What else could we possibly ask for?

Romans 3:21-22 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it- the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.

to all who what? BELIEVE!!!!!!
---Lee1538 on 12/31/09


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144,000 1/8
Who are the 144,000 males of Revelation 7,14?

Does it include males/sons of the nations, with males/sons descendants of Israelite tribes?

Is it ONLY males/sons descendants of the Israelites Tribes?

What is their purpose?

The Word, or in other words: Law/Torah, Testimony, Commandment, Precept, Statute, as called in 119 has the answers!

Rev. 7:2-4

I saw another angel,having the living Gods SEAL,

What is the living seal of God?

21 Now who established us >>>WITH YOU<<< unto Christ, AND anointed US, is God, 22 who ALSO SEALED us, and gave the earnest of the Spirit(His Holy Spirit!) in OUR:hearts.
What does the Holy Spirit do IF WE HAVE FAITH/submit to His will?
---Paul9594 on 12/30/09


144,000 2/8
Ok, like the Apostles our Father gives us the earnest of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinth 2:21-21!!
Our first showing of who are sealed are not just Jews/Israelites Tribes!

Is the Holy Spirit ONLY FOR THE physical descendants of the ISRALITES? Not!

Ephesians 1:13-14
In whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the
gospel of your :salvation,in whom, HAVING also BELIEVED, ye were SEALED
with the HOLY: SPIRIT >>>OF THE PROMISE <<< 14 which is an earnest of our :INHERITANCE, unto REDEMPTION of the POSSESSION(ISRAEL LAND during millennium, then SPIRITUAL ISRAEL), unto praise(our Father) of his :glory.

MORE EVIDENCE OF SEALED... with Holy Spirit and I'm moving to why 144,000 includes GENTILES sons!!
---Paul9594 on 12/30/09


Dear children of the Father, have the mind of Christ:

Psa 119:43 And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth, For I have hoped in thine ordinances.

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And THY LAW THY LAW is truth.

Psa 119:151 Thou art nigh, O Jehovah, And all thy COMMANDMENTS are truth.

Psa 119:160 The SUM of thy word is truth, And every one of thy RIGHTEOUS ordinances [endureth] for ever.

His law is truth, His commandments are truth!! And the SUM SUM of HIS WORD is truth!!

Do apostates tell you different? Listen to the Word!!
---Paul9594 on 12/28/09


Also in 1 Corinthians 5, Eloy, a church member was sleeping with his step-mother and the church was proud of it.

Now here you have church members boasting about a man IN the church who is sleeping with his father's wife. That sound Christ-like to you? Sounds like more carnal Christians who are still in growth..
---JackB on 12/27/09


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-- Paul9594 :

Brother, The Lord spoke of sending a Prophet in Deu.18:18, so that when His People have come into the land which He has given them, they shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations : but shall be instructed by & hearken unto the Lord's Prophet whom the Father raised from their brethren.

Among other things : A Prophet is God's Ambassadors, Guided by His Spirit !!!

Deu.18:9-18 is speaking of every Prophet since 'John the Baptist' and every Prophet after him.

Paul9594, The mind of Christ is the Holy Ghost, and we who have the indwelling Spirit are ambassadors for Christ, beseech by God to pray & spread the Gospel in Christ's stead, for the world to be reconciled to God. 2Cor.5:19-20
---ShawnM.T. on 12/27/09


Jack B, I am in complete agreement on your statement of 1 Cor. 3:1-3. I believe the reason Eloy rejected your statement is because he thinks he is sinless. And that all genuine believers are sinless. He cannot answer any different otherwise his sinlessness is exposed.
In the context of 3:1-3 Paul was refering to the problems in the church which were more than external, worldly influences, it was also internal carnality. Carnal, although Corintians believers were no longer "natural" they were not "Spiritual" fully controlled by the Holy Spirit. In fact they were carnal (controlled by the fallen flesh). The carnality of those believers was indicative of their immaturity. They had no excuse for not being mature.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


Deut.18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

The ancient fathers of the Church and the generality of modern commentators have regarded our Lord Jesus as the prophet promised in these verses. (Barnes Notes)

And there is little reason not to believe them.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


More Help 4 Kathr4453, Mark_Eaton, JackB:

Who is this prophet of Deu. 18:18? Whom the Father Raised? Or are u still waiting for this prophecy to come to pass?

U avoid the question? ummm Why?

Deu 18:15 JEHOVAH thy GOD GOD will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, LIKE UNTO ME, unto HIM YOU shall hearken,

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Who is this prophet of Deu. 18:18? Whom the Father Raised? Or are u still waiting for this prophecy to come to pass? Anybody?
---Paul9594 on 12/26/09


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For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This passage is quoted from #Isa 40:13. The interrogative form is a strong mode of denying that any one has ever known the mind of the Lord. The argument of Paul is this: 'No one can understand God. No one can fully comprehend his plans, his feelings, his views, his designs. No one by nature, under the influence of sense and passion, is either disposed to investigate his truths, or loves them when they are revealed.
---Jamison on 12/26/09


Galatians 2:17-19

17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


Paul stated this BECAUSE he refused, not even for one minute to be brought under subjection to the Lawyers that came into Galatia, imposing LAW on Gentiles, Lest the cross of Christ be made of no effect.

Paul9594, you may also want to read Philippians 3 and how Paul felt about the LAW vs KNOWING CHRIST. There's no comparison.
---kathr4453 on 12/26/09


people spend too much time and energy attempting to explain God,instead of worshipping him in the spirit as we are commanded to do.can the pot counsel the potter?
---tom2 on 12/25/09


Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God,

Colossians 2:2-3 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ, In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit,
---exzucuh on 12/24/09


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Samuel:

U said:
Yes we are to have the mind of CHRIST as much as possible by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT.
...Many try to say knowledge shows it. But JESUS did not try to show knowledge but compassion. ///

U make a good point, but Lets also keep the example of John the Batpist, let's prepare the way for Christs coming Luke 1:67, 76-77 :

Luk 1:67 .Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Luke 1:76 Yea and thou, child (John Baptist), shalt be called the prophet of the Most High: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to make ready his ways,

77 To GIVE KNOWLEDGE of salvation unto his people in the remission of their sins,
---Paul9594 on 12/24/09


Kathr4453, Mark_eaton, JackB:

You avoid the question?

Who is this prophet of Deu. 18:18? Whom the Father Raised? Or are u still waiting for this prophecy to come to pass?

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

This is why, you shouln't reason against the Torah/Law, because you don't fully understand it.

U missed:

Paul,....called an apostle, separated unto the GOSPEL of God, 2 WHICH he PROMISED AFORE THROUGH HIS PROPHETS in the HOLY SCRIPTURES

Have u been taught a Gospel not of the Torah (O.T.)which Paul Preached?
---Paul9594 on 12/24/09


who was paul calling WE in vs16, surely not the corinthians as he follows up in 1 cor 3:1 that they were carnal and babes in christ. So to have the mind of christ you would be a mature christian. ref. 2 thess.3:7, 9
---michael_e on 12/24/09


Yes we are to have the Mind of CHRIST as much as possible by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT.

This is shown by our love to others, humility and desire to do the Father's will instead of our own.

Many try to say knowledge shows it. But JESUS did not try to show knowledge but compassion.
---Samuel on 12/24/09


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I Have the mind of Christ because that mind is revealed to me through the scriptures and the Holy Spirit that lives in me and is with me.
Without the Holy Spirit to be your teacher, you can only see the word as the letter of law and the letter killeth but the Spirit gives life to the word and it quickens my mind to the truth. Only by revelation from the Holy Ghost can you know the truth that is in the book of revelation. The scripture in revelation is in the code of the Spirit, metaphors that only God knows what they represent. Without the mind of Christ you will only have carnal knowledge and that is the enemy of God.
---exzucuh on 12/24/09


as believers we can at times,but being human we falter. The mind of christ is omniscient,our lord is righteous,and all love,we can never be righteous in and of ourselves,we attempt to have his mind in as far as his righteousness allows us to,but because of our flesh we have missed the mark without him.humility,being a servant,and always loving, no matter how we are treated,never complaining,are attributes we rarely reflect for to long a time before we falter,even if it is only in our private thoughts.
---tom2 on 12/24/09


"Do we have the mind of Christ?
That is for one to determine within oneself.

"Let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ:...that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind, striving together for the faith of the gospel. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Who "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant." Who said "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for 'I am meek and lowly in heart': and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Whoever desires to become great among you, let him be [as one willing to serve], And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be [as one who gives himself up to the will of another]." Do we?
---Josef on 12/24/09


We are called both a shepherd and a sheep, even as Christ is called both the Shepherd and the Lamb. Christ the Shepherd and Christ the Lamb live in the Christian. Many people make excuses for not livng a holy life and obeying Christ's commandments. God Commands us to, be holy, be perfect, be righteous, be blameless and above reproach: he never said that you will never be like him, on the contrary Jesus said, "Enough that the disciple be AS one's Master, and the servant AS one's Lord. If they called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his household?" Matthew 10:25. "Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because AS HE IS, SO ARE WE in this world." I John 4:17.
---Eloy on 12/24/09


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In Responce to 1corinthians 2,16 "ForWho hath Known The Mind of the lord,That He Should Instruct Him The Apostle paul, Means in this Verse, Who Can Know The Mind Of God ? We Must Always Read The Bible And Its Subjects, in The context They are Written.< What Is Meant Here Is That Who Can Know All The Thoughts And Ways Of God. Read Isa. 55: 7-11 To Get Full Understanding Yes We Have The Mind Of Christ. (Spiritually) But We Dont Know God For All He Is. Also Read Gen. ch. 1-3 In Conclusion To This Question I Would Like To Add: The Bible has Thousands Of Subjects, Written In Different Contexts, You Might See 2 Verses Written Similar But The Meaning May Differtent, Due To The Context Written. Roder8547
---roder8547 on 12/24/09


JackB, you continue to misapply scripture, for no saint from Christ which suffers persecution and contends for the faith is carnal-minded nor any babe in Christ. "But you all a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people. For so is the will of God, that with well doing you all may put to silence the ignorance of foolish persons. As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God." I Peter 2:9,15,16.
---Eloy on 12/24/09


Kathr4453, Mark_eaton, JackB:
Act 17:17 So he reasoned in the synagogue with Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with them that met him.

Since you reason of the Law so much, I guess you study Scriptures/Torah?

You might of missed, the Gospel Paul PREACHED is of His prophets of The Holy Scriptures/Torah, Romans 1:1-2

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Who is this prophet of Deu. 18:18? Whom the Father Raised? Or are you still waiting for this prophecy to come to pass?
---Paul9594 on 12/23/09


//When a person lives without Christ, their minds are carnal and they are not able to rightly discern the things of God, but after a person becomes born-again from Christ then that soul receives a new mind which is Christ's. //

1 Cor 3:1-3 (Paul to the church at Corinth)

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
---JackB on 12/23/09


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Paul here is speaking to the Church, the Body of Christ. He is the Head, and we are His Body. ALL flow down from the HEAD.

Paul said in Philippians, That I may KNOW Him and the Power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His suffering, being made conformable to His death that I may attain to the resurrection....I press on..etc, etc.

We are being CHANGED from Glory to Glory by the spirit of the Lord.

Present yourself a living sacrifice....for the renewing of your mind.

Without this total surrender Romans 12:1-2 it is impossible to KNOW the Lord intimitely. Head knowledge is not what Paul means here.....but true oneness with God in Christ John 17.

In Him we live and move and have our being.
---kathr4453 on 12/23/09


We develop the mind of Christ when we study God's word, God's ways, God's heart, etc.,

Then we begin to speak the word out over our lives and it changes us. The word of God is alive and active and sharper than any two edged sword, etc.,

We have the mind of Christ when we become Christ-like. When we can think like God thinks, for example: If God is merciful, so should we be. If God judges by the thoughts and intentions of the heart, so should we. Well, we shouldn't be judging at all, so that was a bad example.
---Donna on 12/23/09


The real question is, "Who is the 'we' to whom St. Paul refers?"

Does he mean just the apostles?

Did he mean the Christians at Rome? If he did, wouldn't he have said "you" rather than "we"?
---Cluny on 12/23/09


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