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Explain Lazarus Parable

What is the deeper spiritual meaning and lesson that Jesus was teaching in Luke 16:19-31 The Rich Man and Lazarus Parable? Every detail Jesus mentions has a special hidden meaning.

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Gina, The LORD promised that in time, the Jews will receive their Messiah. The Jews have been made the enemies of the Gospel, for the Gentiles' sake. But, when the fullness of the Gentiles comes, the Jews will have their time of Redemption. But, where, then, is that in Luke 16? There is no doubt, in my mind, that GOD has other meanings in Luke 16, other than Hell-Fire...But, Hell-Fire is still a point that He's trying to get across. That those who think they're doing well before GOD, because they "have it all" in this life, are in fact spiritually poor, and will lose that "all" and their very own souls at Death, in Hell. Where they will be stripped of everything they ever had previously, and only have Torments in exchange.
---Gordon on 1/2/10


1st Cliff, Warwick answered your question to me quite well. But, I reiterate one point...GOD says in His Word that "Without Faith it is impossible to please GOD." You're going to have to take it BY FAITH that the Holy Bible is indeed GOD's True Written Word, all of it, or you will get absolutely nowhere with your Creator. When you start taking His Word by Faith only, and not lean on your own understanding on hard-to-believe issues, like Eternal-Fire and Damnation, then you will see the Truth of GOD yourself. Man's ways, are not His Ways, His Ways are higher than ours. We will encounter things of GOD that do not make any sense to our human nature, but, at the End of the Day, they will all be crystal clear. While in Heaven or in Hell.
---Gordon on 1/2/10


djconklin ***If, in fact he actually said such a thing, then he isn't an SDA. So, your claim still fails.

We really need old turkey Jerry to crawl out of the brush and speak for himself.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


djconklin: Thanks for coming to my defense. Of course I have NEVER claimed salvation by works. Lee apparently has a brain dysfunction which causes him to believe that whatever tall tale he makes up becomes reality. Here are some statements I have made previously:

Your good works will not earn your way into heaven, but your bad works will keep you out.

I get credit for all the sins I've committed, but Jesus gets credit for all my good works.

The Judeo-Christian God is the only one that does not claim to give salvation by works.
---jerry6593 on 1/2/10


How interesting Cliff, that you are so disturbed by those who by faith consider the whole Bible to be God's word. All is 'God breathed.'

In your arrogance you imagine you have the whole truth! You do not even know how much truth there is to know.
---Warwick on 1/2/10




MarkV: "Jerry, I wish you had read Lee's statement before saying what you did." Why? Half of what he says is pure fiction. For the record, my concept of hellfire is that of the Bible: A place where Satan, his angels, all unrepentant sinners (transgressors of the law), and death itself are forever destroyed, obliterated and eliminated - THE LAKE OF FIRE.
---jerry6593 on 1/2/10


>Jerry has stated upon several occasions that one achieves salvation by performing wokrs of the law under the power of the Holy Spirit.

If, in fact he actually said such a thing, then he isn't an SDA. So, your claim still fails.
---djconklin on 1/1/10


>However God views us as being righteous if we are in Christ for He became our righteousness when we first beleived in Him. 1 Cor. 1:30 - a very hard concept for Adventists to understand.

In fact, that is what SDA's believe.

After quoting that verse Ellen G. Wrote:

"It is growth in knowledge of the character of Christ that sanctifies the soul. To discern and appreciate the wonderful work of the atonement transforms him who contemplates the plan of salvation. By beholding Christ he becomes changed into the same image, from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord. The beholding of Jesus becomes an ennobling, refining process. . . . ." That I May Know Him, pg. 166
---djconklin on 1/1/10


Cliff, I was a sceptic, but felt God's call. I wondered about the apparent errors in Scripture. Eventually I reached the point where I wanted the life, hope, and forgiveness true believers have. I got it by God's grace.

Over the decades He revealed the error was mine.

Sceptics also told me about more errors and contradictions. Over time I found these criticisms unfounded.

Certainly there are puzzling things in Scripture but one by one they are explained. The problem, as I see it, is in us, not His word. We are falible sinful creatures who know nothing and I am pleased that my highly qualified scientist friends agree.

Our faith is based upon reality, but not proof, otherwise faith would be robbed of its essence.
---Warwick on 1/1/10


Warwick, Au contraire, I have no anti bible crusade. Because I point out error I'm "anti bible??" Your's is a smear campaign!
*God's word is the truth* absolutely !
How do you "separate "what IS God's word form "man's word"?? Is it God's word just because "I SAID SO"???
Clue= If it doesn't fit the whole picture,(like a jig-saw) it is "man's" word.
Most fundamentalists do not see the big picture (God's Kingdom) but a mix-mash of part pagan part Christian! You say you accept "On faith"--there lies the problem!
---1st_cliff on 1/1/10




Warwick, Ez.33.6. The watchman is held accountable if he keeps quiet when danger is near. You're taking the enemiy's side trying to silence the one pointing out error!
Error leads to false beliefs (rampant on this site).
*as we learn more others will be solved*
How do you learn more by closing your eyes???
---1st_cliff on 1/1/10


Cliff the point remains: you demand proof from Gordon but provide nothing but conjecture to 'support' your antiBiblical crusade. Romans 1:20 speaks directly to you.

God's word is the truth, the only ultimately reliable truth we have. Outside of this we have the ever-changing opinions of falible sinful man.

Over the centuries scoffers have written as you do, pointing out what they saw as "problems with certain scriptures." One by one almost all of these "problems" have been solved. As we learn more the others will be solved.

As I see it you do not endeavour to understand Scripture as a man of faith should, but ridicule it and any who disagree with you.
---Warwick on 1/1/10


Well, this one is not hidden, and it is a true account of real history of two men, even though it is used much like a parable, to emphasize some particular lesson or to emphasize some principle. Poor godly people die away out of their miseries, and go to heavenly bliss and joy, and that rich epicures, who live in luxury and are unmerciful to the poor, die and go to hell. My God came to bring us acquainted with another world, and here He does it. My God my Lord my Savior.+
---catherine on 1/1/10


djconklin//...most Adventists you believe one can obtain a righteousness by works of the law

Jerry has stated upon several occasions that one achieves salvation by performing wokrs of the law under the power of the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you should take him aside and educate him on Adventist doctrines.

In any case, salvation under that view is thereby in the hands of the person and not by grace alone.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


MarkV - //If you (jerry) don't think you are wicked and that you don't deserve salvation, then you must think you deserve it because you are good.

Even Jesus views us as being evil.

Mt 7:11 If you then, who are EVIL, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

However God views us as being righteous if we are in Christ for He became our righteousness when we first beleived in Him. 1 Cor. 1:30 - a very hard concept for Adventists to understand.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


>most Adventists you believe one can obtain a righteousness by works of the law

No SDA believes that.
---djconklin on 1/1/10


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This Lazarus Parable does not teach hell fire. The point of the Parable I have already posted, and it seems to go ignored by all posting because they want to hold onto the false idea that it teaches hell fire.

Lazarus, Eleazor, means Whom God Helps, the Gentiles who were not heirs to the promise

The Rich man is Judah, heirs to the promise, but being cast out..

Judah was one of six brothers, those born of Jacob and Leah. It was unto Judah that the promise of the Messiah was to come. He received the blessing:

Now the parable can be seen. Judah, the rich man, who had the promise of the Messiah made to father Abraham, has rejected it and Lazarus, the Gentile, through belief in the risen Christ has received the blessing
---Gina7 on 1/1/10


No turkey Jerry, I do not judge you worthy of hellfire but like most Adventists you believe one can obtain a righteousness by works of the law through the enabling power of the Holy Spirit and thus merit eternal life.

In believing that your salvation is not by grace alone but by works of the law you essentially become your own savior.

Judge you? If I do, it will by what Jesus tells us in John 7:24 and that is to judge not by appearance but by righteous judgment. Now you really did not know that verse was even in the Bible did you?
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


Jerry, I wish you had read Lee's statement before saying what you did. If you don't think you are wicked and that you don't deserve salvation, then you must think you deserve it because you are good. No one deserves it. I too believe that many refuse to believe there is a hell, in order to make their lives more comfortable that in the end they will not have to face the Wrath of God. So they go on teaching there is no hell. No suffering for what they did in life if they are not saved. The only salvation is through Christ, not any law. And there is a hell. And those going there will suffer, they will not just die and be separated from God. They already are separated from God, they would love nothing more then to continue separated from God.
---MarkV. on 1/1/10


Warwick, It's that ""Good solid evidence" that you mention that's actually lacking!
You could break a leg jumping to conclusions the way you do..EI.
If you "question" a bible book or author ,how does that translate into disbelieving the "entire" bible???
There are definitely problems with"certain" scriptures.
You're not talking "faith" you're talking "credulity"!
Heb.11.1 "Faith is being +SURE+ of what we hope for" (gullibility has nothing to do with faith!)
---1st_cliff on 1/1/10


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Lee: Thank you for taking the time to judge me worthy of hellfire. I guess that God is too busy to do the job Himself, and must surely appreciate your assistence.
---jerry6593 on 1/1/10


Cliff how perverse of you to demand 'facts' from Gordon while you attempt to undermine the truth of God's word without a single 'fact.' All conjecture.

It is by faith that we Christians believe the Bible is the word of God. And we are saved by this faith. This is not blind faith but faith based upon good solid evidence, not proof. Otherwise faith would not be faith would it?

You also hold to your antiBiblical views by faith!

Those of us who hold to His word in faith have experienced the regeneration and blessings which come by the grace of God, because of our faith. Faith itself also a gift of God.

Sadly as a wilful scoffer, you cannot understand. I pray that you will come to know the truth.
---Warwick on 1/1/10


Gordon, Since you have dubbed me "an Infidel" perhaps you could enlightened this poor lost soul how you know ""God is the author of Luke 16"" and that "Yahushua spoke the words directly to Luke"??
Not guessing, not conjecture but real truthful facts!
Do that for me and I will repent in sackcloth and ashes (a promise)
Fundamentalist fact, Paul got commands directly from God-.-. proof= "Because he said so" Well, who could argue against those hard facts..huh??
---1st_cliff on 12/31/09


Turkey yourself Jerry, the quote is from Theophylact, Archbishop of Ochrid and Bulgaria, a 11th century Churchman who apparently held that the dead do not receive their rewards or punishment until the resurrection. I suspect that he really did not have much knowledge of Scripture or had very poor exegetics of it.

You simply do not like the idea of the wicked going to hell since you have this inferiority complex that tells you that you yourself are a wicked person and worthy of eternal suffering.
---Lee1538 on 12/31/09


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1st Cliff, I do not believe now that you are actually a Christian.
---Gordon on 12/31/09


As I see it this section of Scripture speaks against the idea of the day that the rich were blessed by God. Certainly God does bless those who follow Him. However I see nothing to suggest the rich man was a follower of the Lord, and much to say he wasn't. He earned his place in hell.

Secondly Jesus died and rose again to overturn the curse, the result of Adam's sin. 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive."

Jesus says that if 'they' do not believe what Moses and the prophets wrote then 'they' will not be convinced "even if someone rises from the dead." vs 31.
---Warwick on 12/31/09


Lee: "Then explain why......"

This is just too good to be true! Didn't you notice the quotation marks? I was quoting YOU, turkey. Now you are arguing with yourself! What delicious irony!
---jerry6593 on 12/31/09


Eloy, Gasp..my identity has been revealed!
Gordon, You actually speak for all fundamentalists that if it's written down on "holy paper"..then it's God breathed! Who has the audacity to question this gang of Catholic priests who assembled the NT???
A pox on him I say!
How dare "I" question some story alleged to have been gotten straight from someone they never met! Off with his head!
We're happy in our ignorance , don't rock the boat..you may actually find that satan had a hand in this somewhere..God would not allow it....would He??? He allows the Book of Mormon and Quran???
---1st_cliff on 12/30/09


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Jerry //The wicked dead do not go to hell, or the righteous to heaven upon death?"

Then explain why at the final judgment, hell delivered up its dead when the righteous in the grave were already resurrected.

Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
---Lee1538 on 12/30/09


Cliff, Warwick - it is doubtful anyone will benefit from any personal criticisms you may have toward each other. So let's try to make our posts beneficial to others and stick to the subject at hand.
---Lee1538 on 12/30/09


1st Cliff, It doesn't matter one bit, in the long run, as to who actually penned Luke 16, etc. The point is, is that GOD Himself is the real Author of Luke 16, as well as the rest of the Bible. We are to read the entire Scriptures as coming directly from GOD. (Save, that is, for the handful of Verses where the Apostle Paul states that "he, himself is admonishing something, instead of it being a direct Command from GOD." YAHUSHUA (JESUS) Himself SPOKE the Account of Luke 16, and then the HOLY SPIRIT inspired a man, a human being, to write it down on Parchment, to later be reprinted again and again for the rest of the World to read. Luke 16 is GOD's Word, alone.
---Gordon on 12/30/09


1st cliff, so you do not accept the witness of Luke. Likewise, how do we know that 1st Cliff is the person who authored writings on this site? For all we know 1st Cliff could be written by Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda.
---Eloy on 12/30/09


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\\Warwick, You're right, how does anyone know that Luke penned his "gospel?"\\

The identical way we know that Matthew, Mark, and John wrote theirs.

The same authority that passed these Gospels (and no other ones) as canonical gave them their names.
---Cluny on 12/29/09


Lee: "Apparently he believed that one has to wait until all is said and done before the rewards or punishments are distributed.

"This is a parable and not, as some have foolishly imagined, something which actually occurred. For good things have not yet been allotted to the righteous, nor punishments to the sinners."

The wicked dead do not go to hell, or the righteous to heaven upon death?"

My, but you sound like a SDA! One has to wonder how a disembodied spirit would experience "thirst" in the first place. One should also question the righteousness of a Judge who would mete out punishment BEFORE a trial is held.
---jerry6593 on 12/29/09


Parable, from greek word "Paraballo" which means "to throw or place alongside." A parable is something placed alongside something else for the purpose of comparison. Jesus the Master teacher, used parables regularly as He taught. There is two basic purposes of parables, the first of these is to reveal truth to believers (Matt. 13:10-12). These are used by Jesus because they cause a lasting impression far more the just ordinary talk.
Second purpose, is given to hide truth from those who have hardened their hearts against it (Matthew 13:10-15, Mark 4:11,12, Luke 8:9,10). It may seem difficult to reconcile this purpose with our conception of God as a loving Being who announces truth rather than hides it.
---MarkV. on 12/29/09


What mankind esteems as precious and important, GOD regards it as worthless. Man usually, if not always, judges by appearences: by the outward ornaments of stylish clothing, hair, good looks and financial wealth. Whereas, GOD judges the inner heart, secret thoughts and a person's attitude. These latter things determine entrance into GOD's Kingdom. No matter how much money one has, it will not buy him a Room in Heaven. And, Hell is the only alternate place to go at Death.
---Gordon on 12/29/09


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Cliff I have already, carefully, explained that you do not use your faculties to reason from Scripture, but to reason against Scriptute. Two totally different things.
---Warwick on 12/28/09


Rhonda: "rather than Christs very own words about parables as told to his disciples when they asked him - Christ stated he spoke in parables to HIDE the meaning (Matt 13:10-13)"

Jesus did not HIDE the meaning as you suggest, but talked in parables to those who thought spiritual thoughts where a person of the world did not understand the meaning. Read the rest of the verses from 14 through 17 to understand verses 10-13. Parables are used to explain spiritual things in a worldly way to spiritual minded people.

Verse 18 starts the explaination of the Parable of the Sower.
---Steveng on 12/28/09


Lazarus. (whom God helps). Another form of the Hebrew name, Eleazar.

Matthew 15:22-28 we find the expression "...yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."
The Gentile dogs, those that the Jews did not expect to be heir to the promise

Eleazar was to be the heir of all that was Abraham's until the birth of Isaac.
Gen 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
After the birth of Isaac, Eleazar was denied these promises, he was no longer the heir.
But now we see Lazarus (Eleazar, the gentile) the recipient of those promises in Abraham's bosom while the rich man has been lost.
---Gina7 on 12/28/09


Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables, ,and without a parable spake he not unto them

Mark 4:33-34 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Luke 16:19-31 is a Parable, designed to teach the promises made to Abraham of a Messiah would be fulfilled in Gentiles, represented by Lazarus (Eleazor) and those who were heirs to promises, The Rich Man (Judah, 1 of 6 brothers by Leah!) would be cast out. This is the true meaning of this Parable. It does not teach heaven and hell. Parable is a fictional story with a moral point
---Gina7 on 12/28/09


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WOW Eloy, I can't believe you said that!
The one who practically invented the "put down" talking about Rude Rudy.
Isn't it amazing how we can point out others, faults when ours is even larger.
Take the beam out of your own eye before extracting the splinter from someone else!
---2st_cliff on 12/28/09


The drop of water symbolizes the living waters that Jesus offered to the Jews (Judah, 1 of 6 brothers) but they rejected it and ultimately will be cast out.

"And the Spirit and the bride say "Come" and let him that heareth say "Come" and let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely" Rev 22:17

"And Jesus answered her and said "If thou knewest the gift of God and who it is that saith unto thee, Give me to drink, thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water" John 4:10

"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst" verse 14
---Gina7 on 12/28/09


Did Luke write the Gospel according to Luke as well as Acts?

While the author is not identified, the Lukan authorship is affirmed by both external evidence (church tradition from the early 2nd century) and internal evidence(the 'we' sections of Acts 16:10f,20:5f, 21:18, 27:1f) affirm that the author was a companion of Paul listed in Paul letters.

There is little evidence to support an contrary view that Luke was not the author.
---Lee1538 on 12/28/09


Cliff I take a very different attitude to the Bible than you do, obviously. I was, for a long time, a Biblosceptic but became a Christian. It's a long story! I accepted the Bible as God's word, aware that if it isn't His Truth then it has little, if any, life-changing, eternal, value. I have found it to be His Truth, the only truth worth trusting. By nature all people are liars.

The gospel of Luke, and Acts, is attributed to Luke and I am content to accept that. In reality as the Bible is God's word then the name of the writer is irelevant. Whether Luke was an apostle or a sheep herder is also irelevant.
---Warwick on 12/28/09


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Warwick, You're right, how does anyone know that Luke penned his "gospel?" The author is not identified in the book , only attributed to him (that's what I'm going by)
Could have been Mark,(but he's not an Apostle either) Could have been Omar the camel trader for all we know, that's why "back up" corroboration is necessary. (At the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses)
---1st_cliff on 12/28/09


KarenD, You're right, Lord Jesus should know what the afterlife looks like since he created it. Many people today are bent on questioning God, not because they want to really know the truth for themselves, but because they want to reproach the truth and blame God whom is above reproach. I used to have a friend whom I called, "Rude Rudy", because he was known to put a person down whom he was talking with because it gave him a false sense of security and superiority. But until we as the Child of God will humble ourselves and look Up to God as our Father, or even talk to him eye to eye and not in a fault-finding attitude, we will have nothing with him.
---Eloy on 12/28/09


\\Cluny...This does make a new believer wonder if it is the same Lazarus in both stories. Is there scripture that refutes this assumption? How do we explain to a new convert that it is not the same Lazarus?
---KarenD on 12/27/09\\

Point out that it's quite possible to have two different people with the same name.

There was Judah Thaddeus and Juda from Kiriot (aka Judas Iscariot).

And there were two apostles named James.

Even the full name of the bandit released instead of Jesus was Jesus Barabbas (which means son of the father).
---Cluny on 12/28/09


Warwick, Sorry, I had no desire to "malign" your character, I just take exception to the fact that you dump on me for using human reasoning then , do it yourself! You lucked in to a good one, the "beggars" here are are drugged out crack-heads who spend their welfare checks on booze and drugs.
(one of them is my son).
---1st_cliff on 12/28/09


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Warwick, Since you mentioned the "Good Samaritan" this is another parable cited only by Luke who himself could have been that person. Being a Doctor, he attended to the persons injuries, also doctors are/were not poor so he could pay for his keep and aid. Being a Gentile (non Jew) stated that his own people passed by on the other side, ignoring him!
No one backs up his stories!
---1st_cliff on 12/28/09


By "the bosom of Abraham" we are to understand the return of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, the establishment of Christ's Kingdom on earth.

Abraham was promised great lands, an earthly inheritance (Gen.17:4-8) but he never received it while alive:
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed, and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith..

So the Bosom of Abraham is the future Kingdom when Christ returns and dead are raised. When the promises that Abraham saw "afar off" are realized.
---Gina7 on 12/28/09


Wow! This is the first time I have seen people actually call Jesus a liar. Jesus specifically told us what the afterlife looked like. Is it hard to believe that Jesus knew what it looked like?
---KarenD on 12/27/09


Cliff how do you know it's " the word of Luke...Greek Gentile non-apostle. " ,
---Warwick on 12/28/09


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Cliff see Acts 17:2 where Paul "...reasoned with them from the Scriptures." God has given us the power to read His word and to reason upon it. But not to reject and ridicule it.

Lazarus may have been the rich man's test especially if you compare his indifference to the love shown by the good Samaritan.

As you have maligned my character let me tell you one fact. For 10 years I financially supported a Zambian who was gaoled for murder. When he was released (under pardon) I gave him money to start a business. Recently I gave him further financial assistance so he could buy fuel and fertilizer to plant crops. This is not a boast but a contradiction of your accusation.
---Warwick on 12/27/09


Cluny...This does make a new believer wonder if it is the same Lazarus in both stories. Is there scripture that refutes this assumption? How do we explain to a new convert that it is not the same Lazarus?
---KarenD on 12/27/09


"Special hidden meaning"???? You gotta be kidding me. Jesus explained himself quite well in this story without using some kind of "special hidden meaning" in every word
*****

yes many believe parables "illustrate a point clearly" because they BELIEVE their false ministers who told them this lie

rather than Christs very own words about parables as told to his disciples when they asked him - Christ stated he spoke in parables to HIDE the meaning (Matt 13:10-13)

clearly parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man is not true simply due to the events within the story would contradict basic scripture on death

true meaning of parables are HIDDEN yet don't contradict scripture
---Rhonda on 12/27/09


Warwick, "Word of God???" Really? if you study real close you'll find that it's the word of Luke , God made this Greek Gentile non-apostle, spokesman over His genuine appointed Apostles??? I thought you "studied" the bible,not just read it "credulously".
How can you prove it's not Greco-Roman mythology with a Christian spin???
The fact that erroneously speaks about something leaving the body at death ,is the real giveaway! Either a parable or a myth!
Definitely not a "real" drama!
If it doesn't agree with scripture it's false!
---1st_cliff on 12/27/09


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1st_cliff, Warwick Please let us not get into arguments with each other but stick to the subject of the tread as as we waste time.

Ignatius - the thing from Theophylact, Archbishop of Ochrid and Bulgaria, a 11th century Churchman, is indeed worth the reading, Thanks.

Apparently he believed that one has to wait until all is said and done before the rewards or punishments are distributed.

"This is a parable and not, as some have foolishly imagined, something which actually occurred. For good things have not yet been allotted to the righteous, nor punishments to the sinners."

The wicked dead do not go to hell, or the righteous to heaven upon death?
---Lee1538 on 12/27/09


Cluny, Lazarus, Lk.16 & Jn.11:
1] Both address him as, "a certain beggar full of sores": "a certain man was sick".
2] Both died, were Loved by God, and therefore raised up, "the beggar died, and under the angels wings he was carried away up to the bosom of Abraham": "Jesus loved Lazarus, and he that was dead came forward, and Jesus said to them, Loose him and let him go.".
3] Both record that even though Lazarus is raised up, they will still disbelieve, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Lk.16:31): "But though he had done so many miracles in front of them, yet they believed not on him." (John 12:37).
---Eloy on 12/27/09


The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus contradicts many biblical truths about death, heaven and hell and, therefore, only a parable - albeit a warning one.

Is Abraham alive or is he dead awaiting resurrection at the last trump?

Is any man conscious after death?

Has any man yet gone to Paradise or heaven? (Abrahams bosom)

Has any man yet gone to hell?

Can the dead communicate with the living?

The Rich Man and Lazarus is simply the last of this long list of parables before it, the lost sheep, the lost coin, the prodigal son, and the dishonest steward.
---Steveng on 12/27/09


\\ The Lazarus parable is about real people.

Proof of this can be shown in that a person in the parable(Lazarus) is named. In other words one of the characters he given a name this does not happen in other parables.
---mima on 12/27/09\\

So are you saying that the rich man is NOT a real person? He isn't named.
---Cluny on 12/27/09


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Warwick, Your use of the phrase "quite likely" is human reasoning (a luxury you're quick to deny me) Quite likely he was there before as it says "he desired to eat the scraps" 30,000 children died today from hunger related causes, while you feasted on your Christmas turkey..does that put you in the same category as "the rich man?" So the sin is that he was rich..a lot of Christians are rich! If some homeless person was sitting in your driveway you'd probably call the cops!
---1st_cliff on 12/27/09


\\ Cluny, Yes, it is not a parable, but a record of historical fact. "And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, Here present.\\

The Lazarus of the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man (which is what is in Luke 16) is NOT the Lazarus of Bethany who had been dead 4 days, brother of Mary and Martha, which is in John 11.

You didn't think they were, did you?
---Cluny on 12/27/09


This is not a parable, it is widely accepted that when a person is named it is a testimonial, the "Good Samaritan" and "the widow" with her offering are examples of this. Jesus is teaching several things here. 1) There is no hope for those who go to hell after they die. 2)Though the rich man was good enough to give Lazarus a place to beg, it wasn't enough to save his soul. 3) Even when God reveals Himself tangibly men will still refuse Him. Lastly hell is a place where the most basic needs are impossible to receive, but the soul is eternal, It is vital that the soul is cared for in eternity by God.
---tom on 12/27/09


Gina 7, the parable is about a beggar, and only character in any of Jesus parables ever given a name. Some speculate it is an actual incident that really took place. Either way, Christ employ's it in the same fashion as all His parables, to teach a lesson, in this case for the benefit of the Pharisees. The mention of table scraps, sores, and dogs all made this poor man appear odious in the eyes of the Pharisees. They were incline to see all such things as proof of divine disfavor. They viewed such person as unclean. The idea is that Lazarus was given a place of high honor, reclining next to Abraham, while the rich man got hades. The suggestion that the rich man would be excluded from heaven scandalized the Pharisees.
---MarkV. on 12/27/09


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The Lazarus parable is about real people.

Proof of this can be shown in that a person in the parable(Lazarus) is named. In other words one of the characters he given a name this does not happen in other parables.
---mima on 12/27/09


There is no indication that this is a parable (although that has traditionally been ascribed as one), but, if one wishes to give a allegorical interpretation, Blessed Theophylact, Archbishop of Ochrid and Bulgaria, a 11th century Churchman, gave a remarkable commentary on this passage. It is huge, thus hindering me from posting it on this website. However, if you wish to read it, feel free to google "blessed theophylact commentaries online", click the second link and scroll down until you read "Luke Lectionary". This Holy Father/Saint gave a wonderful exposition on this Scripture. Very enlightening!

There are spiritual meanings to Scriptures. The early generations of Christians thought so!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/27/09


The parable has a number of applications. One application is that neither the blessings or comforts of this life nor the hardships one may face during this lifetime is any indicator of where ones place will be in the eternity.
If one refuse to hear, as in attend to and to consider, in an attempt to understand and embrace the gospel message of our LORD Jesus, The Christ, to willingly acknowledge and confess with heart felt gratitude, His atoning sacrifice for our redemption, one will find oneself outside the gates of the New Jerusalem deeply regretting the missed opportunity to enter. For there is an impassible interval, no man comes to the Father except through His Son.
---joseph on 12/27/09


Cliff how you reveal your true self.

Two men: one extremely rich, one starving, 'covered with sores.' But you cannot see what the rich man did wrong. However God could and judged the rich man worthy of hell. Quite likely Lazarus was the rich man's test and he failed.

Where does it say Lazarus ate the rich man's scraps?

Lazarus He judged worthy of heaven. There will be many 'poor beggars' in heaven and many such heartless rich men wailing in hell.

You in your disbelief call it a 'story,' I call it the word of God. Who made you judge of good and evil?

Have you ever 'met' Jesus Cliff?
---Warwick on 12/27/09


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Cluny, Yes, it is not a parable, but a record of historical fact. "And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, Here present. And he that was dead came forward, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, Loose him, and let him go." John 11:43,44.
---Eloy on 12/27/09


the parable you speak of has many meanings,but the pronounced one is what are your treasures?the penniless beggar ended his life in paradise,while the rich man ended his in torment,fearing for his brothers,who apparently though never revealed may have been wealthy also.
---tom2 on 12/27/09


If you want to give this story (which is NOT identified as a parable, btw), an allegorical meaning, consider this:

1. The rich man represented the Old Israel, who had received the fullness of God's riches up to that time.

2. Lazarus = the Gentiles who just had vague ideas about God.

3. The main point is the punch line: "If the Jews won't believe Moses and the Prophets, they won't even believe when I rise from the dead". (deliberate paraphrase) Isn't that exactly what happened?
---Cluny on 12/26/09


I agree that this is about real people. One who was evil and one who was humble. One was taken up into the arms of Abraham and the other was punished. It simply means that faith in the worlds riches and pride of life is the road to hell and simple faith along with humility and gratitude with what life hands us is the way to Heaven. Actually, Faith is all you need. The rest (humility,gratitude,love,kindness,forgiveness, perseverance, patience and more} are developed in those who have faith.
---jody on 12/27/09


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1st of all the "story" is greatly flawed. Lazerus showed no redeeming qualities that would merit him blessings. He was a poor beggar,nothing more!
2nd, The Rich man showed no ill will, in fact the beggar ate from the rich man's scraps ,nor was he guilty of any crime!
Since no other bible writer "backs up this story" makes it suspect (at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses a truth will be established!
No record that Luke (a Greek,non Apostle) ever met Jesus! Fact or fiction???
---1st_cliff on 12/26/09


The story is regarded as a parable by most expositors.

The story is simply a repudiation of the abusive use of riches.

While you have the rich man feasting sumptuously every day, the poor man Lararus lives in a totally destitute condition.

It is a picture of total disregard of the rich man for the poverty stricken person living in the shadow of the rich man's opulent self-indulgent livestyle.

As in 13:28,the story seems clearly to teach that upon death both believers & unbelievers have a conscious awareness of their eternal state and enter at once into either suffering or blessing. (ESV Study Bible Notes)
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


gina7...Who's teaching you this stuff? "Special hidden meaning"???? You gotta be kidding me. Jesus explained himself quite well in this story without using some kind of "special hidden meaning" in every word.
---KarenD on 12/26/09


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