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Is it possible that a professing Christian spouse who has been gone for two years and refuses to consider reconciliation is an unbeliever and it would be biblical to for me to divorce?

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 ---Parker on 12/31/09
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Trav, It is my pleasure to rightly preach the truth, inspite of the dissers, because I know that true seekers like you will receive great blessings. And my education, and my meticulous studies of ancient Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic is more than sufficient to deliver the truth impeccably and with full confidence in the knowledge that it is without error: with precept upon precept: line upon line. I not only study the ancient Biblical languages, but I also research word etymologies and their derivations. And I find that the context in which a word is used is very important in ascertaining the accurate definition. His Word is rich, richer than gold, and life to the bones.
---Eloy on 1/5/10


Young's Literal translation of the Bible has translated 'ethnos' as 'nations'.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10

Thanks Lee. Thanks Eloy. Appreciate enthusiastic word herders, posting besides me on this unfortunate translation "gentile",found in most Bibles.

Paul was writing to "ethnos" individuals of outcast/divorced Israel. Which is proper and what they were referred to in the O.T. for witness.

The roman catholic distortion word gentile cloaks and coveys a meaning that is not found in total context of scripture. Prophets do not prophesy meaning some apply. One more of many reasons to beware of anything this universal denom supports.
---Trav on 1/4/10


Are you a Christian? It is always possible for anyone who professes to be a Christian to be lieing. A true Christian simply means the living God lives in them. Paul said, "to examine" yourselves, "does the living God live in you"? Now, on to your question: If you are a true Christian you must obey God. Adultry is the only act in-which God gives permission in divorcing one's husband or wife. Does not always mean you must stay and put-up with, whatever. God might find a way out for you. Your first call to duty, is to get close to God and Stay in prayer.
---catherine on 1/3/10


Trav, Many today do not even crack open a Bible to read, let alone study the original scriptures. I hope the defining of gentile and also of "ethnos" helps you in your reading. May you pay no heed to disinterested critics, and instead continue to press onward into the perfect knowledge and wisdom of our Lord. Seek and you will find: Draw close to him, and I promise that he will draw close to you.
---Eloy on 1/3/10


While Eloy is correct that the word Gentile may be translated as 'nation' in much of the New Testament, it is questionable that the Greek word 'ethnos' should be translated as 'natures' in Eph. 4:17.

Young's Literal translation of the Bible has translated 'ethnos' as 'nations'.

This, then, I say, and I testify in the Lord, ye are no more to walk, as also the other nations walk, in the vanity of their mind,...

All the other translations use the word 'Gentiles' instead of 'nations'.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10




Trav, The word "Gentile" was inacurrately translated in many places from the Greek word "ethnos" in the English Bible. "Gentile" comes from the word "genus", "general class": but the Greek word "ethnos" can mean, "nations", "a nation", "natures", "general class", "worldly", and "heathen", depending on the context in which the word "ethnos" is used for. For example:
Matthew 4:15- "ethnos" is "general class",
Matthew 6:32- "ethnos" is "worldly",
Matthew 10:5- "ethnos" is "heathens",
and Ephesians 4:17- "ethnos" is "natures".
---Eloy on 1/3/10


trav - If you google 'the sovereignty of God' and view the article by pbministries you will find a short article about translating Kosmon. It is worth the reading and may give one further insight into what is being posted.

As stated, there are several personal translations on the market and are as different as those produced by committees. All personal translators inject their own doctrinal views into their translations.

Most personal translators have taught the original languages for years at accredited universities & seminaries.

The contention there has to be only one English word for any single Greek word reflects ignorance of languages. Anyone that knows even a little about Greek can tell you that much.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


If they refuse to even consider it , then they may not be a christian. Do they do anything else that would make you think that maybe they are not a christian? You could divorce, but I'm not sure about remarrying?
---angea4937 on 1/2/10


//Many profess to be Christian, but in fact they are not.

Very true as I myself thought myself to be a Christian for years until I found Christ in my life one night and was born again in Him.

Unfortunately there are those who have different interpretations of the Bible and they quickly label others as not being Chriistian and state the fruit they bear must be their interpretation of the Bible.

Such, in my humble opinion, sin by usurping God's right to judge those who are His. Romans 14:4

Such are the religionists/legalists who have no testimony at all in their lives and they produce no fruit as they do not abide in Christ John 15:4.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10


Personal translations of the Bible differ as much as those created by a committee of translators.

Of the personal translations there is the versions by William F. Beck, Charles B. Williams, Kenneth Wuest, and a host of others too numerous to mention.

Howbeit, these translators taught Greek at accredited institutions for years but as personal translations, they injected their own doctrinal interpretations into their works.

There is no rational reason to believe that someone who creates his own translation will not also insert his or her own doctrinal views into their works.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/10




.... original scriptures in their native tongues are like the richest and most exhilarating expose delivered straight from God's own mouth to the soul of the reader.
---Eloy on 1/1/10

As mentioned...you'll swim upstream on these originals, here or anywhere as you've found. Most docs/denoms just won't have it or do the work listening for GOD.
You know, I know and the ones protecting their pet doctrines know in part, but hope others won't/don't look.

Their house of Sand instead of Truth will crumble. So what if it does. It wasn't any good to begin with. Start a new house on the Rock of Truth.

I asked you to do Gentile. Does this make you uncomfortable? If it does I'll do it at some point.
---Trav on 1/2/10


You know, a female blogger here asked a similar question, wondering if she were "unequally yoked" to her Christian husband who wouldn't do things her way.

One of the favorite games here on these blogs is "More Spiritual than Thou"--including one's own spouse.

Seems to me that the New Testament urges, "Examine yourselves, to see if you are in the faith." It doesn't say, "Examine someone else to determine if that person is not so you can divorce your spouse."
---Cluny on 1/1/10


Trav, no offense taken. A lot of people only use the English translations on the market without studying the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures, and so they are limited to the mere common English text sold on the market today. But I encourage all those whom really desire to know the deep things of God to do the necessary studying, and when they do I promise that the person will not be disappointed at all but instead they will receive manifold blessings. You see the English Bible on the market today is like the most rudimentary alphabet to a child whom is beginning to read, but the original scriptures in their native tongues are like the richest and most exhilarating expose delivered straight from God's own mouth to the soul of the reader.
---Eloy on 1/1/10


"For God he so loved the harmony,

---Eloy on 12/31/09

Well, I apologize, in part, whether you accept or not. You are the only one I've seen post this truth.
John 3:16 is not witnessed in scripture to mean what so many interpret, in english.

Do a trans on "Gentile" shine some light to many.
---Trav on 12/31/09


Many profess to be Christian, but in fact they are not.
---Eloy on 12/31/09


Parker, Alan's points are very good. Sometimes we overlook things wrong within us that we don't take into consideration. Check and see if the love you have for her is the same as the one in 1 Cor. 13. Sometimes God is working in the other persons life and we don't know it. I waited for my wife for over a year, and know many who waited much longer. Two women I know waited 20 years for their husbands. One of them, her husband is now a pastor, and two of her sons are pastors. God had something in store for that long wait. I know many would have given up but she believed with all her heart he would one day come back. I am not suggesting to wait 20 years, but be patient and you will know in your heart what to do.
---MarkV. on 12/31/09


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Parker:

Don't look for ways to get out of your marriage. Instead, look for ways to stay in.

The fact that you recognize your reponsibility to God is admirable, but remember your responsibility to your spouse. You wanted this marriage to last your lifetime but have you changed your mind? Do you do EVERYTHING possible to love your wife? God told men to LOVE their wives above all else. That is what you need to do.

What does that love look like? God told us just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it. You must love your wife with 100% of your effort, leaving 0% for yourself. That is the equation Jesus demonstrated.

When you have done that, let us know.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/31/09


It is possible.

It is also possible that although you are a professing Christian, you behaviour is not Christianlike.

It's possible that you frighten her with your demands, that you seek to be the head of the household by tyranny rather than by love.

Maybe your misunderstanding of what Christian marriage is all about, that she has given up hope.

---alan8566_of_uk on 12/31/09


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