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Do you have to stop sinning before coming to Christ or do you repent and believe Christ and he stops you from sinning?

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"Turn over all the "new leaves" you want, ..."
Yet even from the beginning:
Genesis 4:7: "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.

"talk about being "born again"."
Christ said, "If you would enter life, keep the commandments." and elsewhere, John 5:14 warns about remaining in sin.

"God knew from the beginning that you couldn't stop sinning."
What is it Donna66, that Jesus does not know what you know, that the only valid and effective thing of His earthly ministry was his death, that He wastes his time saying, "Go and sin no more"?
---Nana on 2/17/10


No. Before coming to Christ and believing in Him, you CANNOT stop sinning. It is impossible to do so. Turn over all the "new leaves" you want, it won't make you any more righteous in God's eyes.

That's why Christians talk about being "born again". God must change you on the inside. Though you won't be perfect, by HIS power, you can triumph over temptation and sin.

God knew from the beginning that you couldn't stop sinning. And that's why he sent Jesus... to suffer for YOUR sins so that YOU can approach God without guilt.
---Donna66 on 2/17/10


One good comment after another. To quit sinning you have to be Born Again. Even then it is a daily process of dying to self.

GOD declares you sinless at the New Birth while we are still sinners. Justification by faith.

GOD delivers us from sin daily and redeems as we need it each day. Sanctification.

Do not trust in self lean wholly on JESUS and look to HIM and live.
---Samuel on 2/17/10


We come to Christ as sinners living therein. After receiving Chirst we're dead to sin & no longer live therein !

Whosoever is Saved, gains a repenting Heart in Christ, striving to be perfect as He is Perfect. But it does not mean we will never again commit a sin nor that that sin will pluck us out of the Lord's Hands. Our flesh will always fall short of God's Glory, but we're kept unto Salvation by God's Grace which is sufficient, despite any thrones left in our sides. 2Cor.12:7-9

God's Grace through Faith in the Finished Works of Christ, is the Works by which we're Saved, and they're also the only Works keeping us Saved b/c Salvation is only redeem by those dead to sin.
-Shawn.M.T.

YEAH, what he said! Amen Shawn.
---miche3754 on 2/17/10


"So faith comes from hearing..."
John came calling and some simple but honest men believed him. They did not know what to do next after they believed, so John told them.
Luke 3:9_14.
"They all shall be taught of God"
Hebrews 1:1_2.

Mark 9:45: "And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell."

"Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."
---Nana on 2/17/10




To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, We come to Christ as we are, sinners living therein. After receiving Chirst we're dead to sin & no longer live therein !!

Whosoever is Saved, gains a repenting Heart in Christ, striving to be perfect as He is Perfect. But it does not mean we will never again commit a sin nor that that sin will pluck us out of the Lord's Hands. Our flesh will always fall short of God's Glory, but we're kept unto Salvation by God's Grace which is sufficient, despite any thrones left in our sides. 2Cor.12:7-9

God's Grace through Faith in the Finished Works of Christ, is the Works by which we're Saved, and they're also the only Works keeping us Saved b/c Salvation is only redeem by those dead to sin.
---Shawn.M.T. on 1/23/10


mima..i totally agree. We come to Christ just as we are.Once we place our Faith in Jesus we begin to be cleaned from the inside out. We change our mind(REPENT) about commiting sin and then Gods awesome Grace can work in our life.
---JIM on 1/12/10


The Gospel and the word that comes from the gospel is to the sinner and the saint. The word to the sinner is not the same word to the saint. A sinner is not born again and has not tasted of the heavenly gift. So the word to him is all have sinned and whosoever calls on the name of the Lord, repent and be baptized,receive ye the holy Spirit, the baptism in the Holy Spirit. But that word is not to those who are Born again changed, translated, new creatures. The message changes for them to become the image of Gods Son.Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
---exzucuh on 1/12/10


Jesus died for the sin of the world but until they act in obedient faith nothing is changed for them. That is why we preach, that is why the word is a two edged sword. It has the ability to fight for you or against you. If that was not so then it would not matter if you knew anything at all about the Gospel.
I just found out that my debt for my House was released. It was owner financed and he had decided that with interest I had paid him enough money and by grace he let 5 years of payment go. My son called me because I am out of town and told me, but I had already made two months payments. If I had known of my salvation I would not have made those payments.
---exzucuh on 1/12/10


Once while witnessing a man said to me," I did not know you could get saved before you cleaned yourself up and stopped sinning". Here in an open nondeceiving manner this man expressed with the world believes. And a great deal of energy and effort is being spent by Satan to keep the world believing that a man cannot be saved until he cleans himself up. However the Bible says, that Christ died for us while we were YET sinners.
---mima on 1/12/10




--- StrongAxe :

Brother, It is a Truth to share that God would never "shove our face in anything" nor does He need to do so b/c Saving Faith comes by Hearing, and Hearing by the Drawing Word of God : and Whosoever has ears to Hear drinketh by Faith of the water that He shall give them.

... and as I previously shared, No one chooses what they're unable to Hear and unfortunately not everyone has ears to Hear.

Anyone who believes that they alone decided to drink of God's Spring of Water unto Everlasting Life, has yet to humbly understand that all Glory goes to God : Who has Supplied all your needs according to His Riches in Glory by Christ Jesus, His Word made flesh !!!
---ShawnM.T. on 1/12/10


We come to God with a repentant attitude and it is up to God to do a regenerate work in our lives by the Holy Spirit after we submit our freewill to God. He cannot work with rebellion. We have to be submissive to him.

If we are willing and obedient we will eat the Good of the Land.
---exzucuh on 1/11/10


Shawn.M.T.:

God may lead us to water, but he doesn't shove our face in it. We alone must then decide whether or not to drink.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/10


-- StrongAxe :

Brother, God Exhorts the Choices of existence b/c they must be Heard & to be Heard they must be 'Spoken'/Exhorted. Faith unto Salvation comes by Spiritually Hearing God's Word : not to be mistaken for physically hearing it.

No one chooses what they're unable to Hear and not everyone has ears to Hear, unfortunately.

StrongAxe, When we Chose Life, becoming God's Vessels unto Grace, we were not alone nor did that decision stem from any "Will" other than the Drawing Will of God's Word : and This is only disturbing to the minds trying to serve two masters, who are still embracing freewill(the 'will' other than God's Will) in order to dispute the world's persecuting view of them as God's puppets !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 1/11/10


Shawn.M.T:

The very fact that we are exhorted to choose anything implies that we have both the ability to choose it, and the ability to not choose it - the decision is ours alone. This called "free will". If we don't have that ability, then we ARE little different than puppets on a string, with the one pulling the strings making the choices for us (and thus responsible for the choices, since puppets don't make any choices at all).

If God made the choices for us, he would have no need to exhort us to make those choices for ourselves, would he?
---StrongAxe on 1/10/10


-- StrongAxe :

Brother, God provides the CHOICES(Life & Death), and His Drawing Word TELLS us to choose Life : and we, those who are part of "Whosoever has ears to Hear in Rom.10:17 ", choose Life through Faith b/c we Hear God saying "Choose Life". We don't view ourselves as 'puppets on a string' like the world does, but as God's vessels unto Grace.

What the world wishes to call freewill is nothing more than everything that is not God's Will, and leaving freewill behind is only disturbing to those serving two masters. Once the mind is no longer conformed to this world, it come to know the Foreknowledge of God's Predestinated Grace as Just b/c His Word says it is Just & it doesn't return to Him Void !!
---Shawn.M.T on 1/10/10


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Strongaxe: #4, Let me say Strongaxe like my answer to Athiest, that many things are written in Scripture some brothers/sisters already understand but many others have not yet. Many times never will. But as Christians we believe in His Word. So, what do we do? When we're saved, who do we thank? God. And when men go to hell, who do we blame? Them. You say, I don't understand that" that is right, neither do I. The implications are this, If I am saved, I praise God and rejoice and thank Him. Why does God save some and not everyone? My answer is because He gets glory for His name that way. God does what He does for His glory, and somehow, in some way, God is glorified in what He did, never making mistakes and that is why He did it.
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


Strongaxe, like you I don't have the mind of God but I do know what Scripture says. I will speak of a few reasons why people go to hell. All men born in Adam are born with the sin nature, and because they bear a sin nature they are all damned to hell. It is our sin in Adam and the nature we bear because of that, that condemns all men to hell. Let me say here, I don't understand why they are damned but the Bible says they are. Next thing in the Bible is found in Romans chapter 1:18-23, Where God says, "...His visible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by things that are made even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God"
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


Strongaxe #2, Now, I don't understand but I believe it for it is written. Next is found in Romans 9: 21, Paul says, "He has mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardens" and in v. 21 Paul says, "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor?" He is saying that the potter can make a vessel any way he wants. He is the potter and the vessel is simply clay. v. 22 He questions them before they argue, gives a demonstration, and v. 22 Notice there are vessels of wrath, at the end of the verse, "fitted to destruction" in v. 23, you have "vessels of mercy which He had prepared to glory" let me continue
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


Strongaxe #3: What is happening in the Greek tense, is God is taking one step away from the responsibility of preparing a person from His creative act for hell. God doesn't take that responsibility. He says there are vessels that have been prepared for destruction. Studying the Bible very carefully you will see that the responsibility for such preparation lies right in the heart of the man who goes to hell. Jesus said, "You will not come to Me, that you might have life" Man goes to hell not simply because of the sin in Adam, primarily because of the sin of unbelief. Now can you understand all that? I cannot. Does it mean there is something wrong with His Word? No, it means I am human and cannot understand it all.
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


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MarkV:

If the lost are not free moral agents, then how can they possibly be held accountable for bad choices that they (evidently) did not have the ability to choose for themselves, but rather were forced to commit?
---StrongAxe on 1/10/10


Markv, You are asking everyone for Scripture that has already been given to you. You just didn't to hear it.
Every passage in the Bible that God says "choose" is God telling you that you have freewill. if man is totally completely depraved, then why is it people do good things who don't even know who God is?

Man was given a choice from the beginning, and we still have a choice.
Who ever we decide to yield our members to, is who we will serve. Whatever we reap we will sow.
If we follow after flesh, reap death, if we follow after the Spirit, reap life.
Markv, you ignore the "if's" and "choose, choice" in the Bible. Look it up yourself or are you afraid your doctrine is false?
---miche3754 on 1/9/10


Rhonda, where did you find that definition of "Free will?" And just lets suppose you are right on that definition, You said,
"ability to choose IS free moral agency"
The lost are not free moral beings. Do you not understand they are separated from God. They are not in anyway the same as Adam and Eve. They were not separated from God, and had no sin nature. Their minds were clean. Pure. All the descendants of Adam are not. The Bible calls the lost "natural man" at enmity with God. All sin at its core is blasphemy because it attacks God. If he has not God he has not morals. He has his own morals but not for the glory of God. And anything without faith is sin.
---MarkV. on 1/9/10


Romans 8"7 tells us that the natural man is at enmity with God-meaning that he has a positive hatred towards God
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a mind that hates God is NOT SUBJECT to his laws ...Christians have carnal mind GUIDED by power of Gods Spirit dwelling within them ...one CHOOSES to follow guide of His Spirit or their carnal mind

otherwise scripture LIES saying Satan seeks to destroy and we are to overcome - if there are no CHOICES then NOTHING to overcome

to understand CHOICE simply look to Eve ...Eve's choice to OBEY by not eating from one tree submitting to Gods authority over her, or eat from it and die ...Eve disobeyed listening to Satan's LIE - Eve was not forced to eat

ability to choose IS free moral agency
---Rhonda on 1/8/10


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A practicing Christian(one who commits to being led by the Holy Spirit) gives up his "free will" and makes a valid effort to hear the Spirit's quiet voice over his dominating free will.
---mima on 1/8/10


Acts 10:33
Immediately therefore I sent to thee,
and thou hast well done that thou art come.
Now therefore are we all here present before God,
to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said,
Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

But in every nation

he that feareth Him,
and worketh righteousness,
is accepted with Him.

Peter noticed these things:
A person who fears God and
A person who works righteousness
The Lord will accept and hear them.

Remember you can't receive forgiveness if He does not hear your prayer.

Psalms 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart,
the Lord will not hear me...
---SuzieH on 1/8/10


Rhonda, I hear you talking but I see no passages that state what I ask. Have you found "Free will" anywhere? I see we have to make a choice, I see where people are told, choose. Which really means, "to select" You won't find free will to choose for anyone, since the lost are not free. Romans 8"7 tells us that the natural man is at enmity with God-meaning that he has a positive hatred towards God and stand in opposition to Him. I don't see how his will could be free, he would never choose whom he hates. Would you marry someone you hated? you have a will to make a choice, for you are not restricted by anything or anyone, but your will, will not go against your desires.
---MarkV. on 1/8/10


So, freewill is most certainly explained A LOT in the Bible, you are just blind to it because then it causes the faith you have to become false.
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Amen Miche!!

no mortal man has the power to stop sinning ...otherwise Christ and salvation are a lie

one repents and believes then through belief one can begin to LEARN to overcome sin ...otherwise NT is worthless book of words where Apostles explain their own struggles with sin and overcoming CHOICES

physical flesh is never free from sin as recorded in Scripture if one says they have no sin they are a LIAR and the TRUTH is not in them
---Rhonda on 1/8/10


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Thank you Shawn. Maybe they will listen to you.
---miche3754 on 1/8/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, As Sister Miche3754 shared, God's Sovereign Power comes in the form of God providing the CHOICES(Life & Death) & TELLING us to choose Life : and we, those part of "Whosoever Has Ears To Hear", choose Life b/c we can Hear God saying Choose Life, but we don't view ourselves as 'puppets on a string' like the world does, but as God's vessels unto Grace.

Everything that is not God's Will is freewill, and leaving freewill behind is only disturbing to those serving two masters. Once the mind is no longer conformed to this world, it come to Trust & View the Foreknowledge of God's Predestinated Grace as Just b/c His Word says it is Just, and His Word doesn't return to Him Void !!
---ShawnM.T. on 1/8/10


The same old talk and opinions but no answer to the questions. Why? because you cannot with your theology. It doesn't fit. Proof what you say it true and put it down from Scripture. What you feel and what you think is not found in Scripture. Unless you can show me the love of God for all those who were murdered, slaughter of not only the Canaanites but all nations who opposed Israel the one nation God chose. They all had free will as you all say, they never got the gospel, only Israel got it. Women and children went down by God or by the Israelites, and many God put dreams in their minds while they were asleep. Can you answer that with the kind of love you think He should have? No. Have you shown that a person has "free will"? No.
---MarkV. on 1/8/10


Samuel, thank you for explaining. It would have been great if you had posted that when you answered, this way not everyone would think that they were Calvinist. Samuel, a person does not have to believe in Calvinism, just believe the Word of God. That we are a new creation, our practice is not to sin anymore. We are free from that bondage. We do sin, even with our hearts just as Jack did against me. I understand he didn't want to, but he did. We are still in the flesh and we will sin, unless you are Eloy who is sinless. No genuine believer wants to ever sin against God. If a person delights in sinning we can assume he is an imposter. Again thanks for putting down what you did to clear the air, your honesty showed.
---MarkV. on 1/8/10


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Samuel, I can tell you by the description you gave that those people you talked about are not Calvinist. No Calvinist or reformer teaches that. MarkV.

No recognized reformer. This was an offshoot group rejected by mainline Calvaniist. But they did call themselves Calvanists and claimed no free will at all which is why sin was not wrong.

Samuel:

Yes, there are several things wrong with that belief. StrongAxe

I agree with you.
---Samuel on 1/8/10


Markv,
what does the word "CHOOSE" mean to you?
If God had not given you free will, then he would not have told us to CHOOSE, now would he?
Nope.
So, every verse in the Bible that tells us to choose to do something is God telling us to utilize the free will he has given us.
You want to explain it away, but you can't.
God's sovereign power comes in the form of God providing the choices and TELLING us to choose.
God PROVIDES the choice and God ALLOWS man to choose from the CHOICES GOD sets before us.
So, freewill is most certainly explained A LOT in the Bible, you are just blind to it because then it causes the faith you have to become false.
---miche3754 on 1/8/10


MarkV:

If we don't have free will, then we're essentially puppets on a string, playing out some pre-defined script. As such, we wouldn't be responsible for anything - any sins we committed would be a result of what we were made to do, not anything we chose to do ourselves. As such, punishing us in eternal hellfire for something we had no choice to do anyway would be grossly unfair - on par with beating a baby for soiling its diapers.

So, even if there are no explicit scriptures that say that we have free will, the ramifications of the reverse would be very disturbing.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/10


I heard many claim free will and not one of you has given a passage where God states that man has "free will" to receive Christ. In fact Free will is mentioned one time and never for salvation. You claim God cannot interfer in the works of man, where is that found? None of you have been able to describe the love of God when He ordered the death of man women and children even animals. Didn't God choose Israel over others? Didn't the others die because God ordered the Israelites to kill them. What about the children? How much free will did those people have? Why don't any of you answer the questions? You claim so many things and can answer nothing because all it is is your opinions.
---MarkV. on 1/7/10


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Samuel, I can tell you by the description you gave that those people you talked about are not Calvinist. No Calvinist or reformer teaches that. Anyone can say what you said and not have to back it up. Remarks and speculations I have many, but they are only speculations and remarks not Truth.
I believe if you had studied Calvinism you would then be able to know whether what they teach is what you said. Otherwise its all just talk. The whole reason why people get angry about Calvinism is because they don't want God to do the choosing. Period. No other reason. That is why the flesh is at enmity against God. They haven't escaped from that, even though they are saved. They want to hold on to their rights, just as they did before they were saved.
---MarkV. on 1/7/10


Romans 9:32
"For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

Is it really more rational to discredit the word of God by claiming man has mistranslated it (so much for the sovereignty of God) or to realize that maybe one man 1500 years after Christ went astray and deceived many people?

Taking away man's free will puts the blame on God for our sinfulness. If "god" predestined us to sin so that we would fall and he could punish us, that is cruelty. That is in no way, shape or form a depiction of LOVE.

But I can see why those that he chose to redeem wouldnt be concerned with what happens to those he didnt. At least the 'chosen' are safe.
---JackB on 1/7/10


Samuel:

Yes, there are several things wrong with that belief. First, it directly contradicts Romans 6:1-2:
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

Second, it assumes the person doing the sinning is, in fact, already one of the elect. Unfortunately, while the Holy Spirit assures a saved person of salvation, an unsaved person may have a delusion of being saved (many in Matthew 25 are shocked at being cast out). So, if someone has a "warm fuzzy feeling", it could either be the Holy Spirit telling him the truth, or a strong delusion deceiving him. One cannot deduce salvation merely from a feeling.
---StrongAxe on 1/7/10


Some Calvanists came to teach that since they were elect there was no sin they could not indulge in for they could not be lost. That they showed the grace of GOD by their sin. Also since GOD arranged all things that they could not commit the sin if it was not okay for them to do so.

They simply followed out the reasoning of many who follow Calvin.
---Samuel on 1/7/10

Calvinism is about election not sin. They keep saying, yes we sin, we're (the elect)not perfect etc.

Have you read 1st Peter 4 recently? Interesting what Peter has to say about sin. Pretty much what Paul teaches in Romans 6-8! Our Baptism with FIRE is what BURNS away the chaff (our old man-sin nature)

God made a way...they explain it away!
---kathr4453 on 1/7/10


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Some Calvanists came to teach that since they were elect there was no sin they could not indulge in for they could not be lost. That they showed the grace of GOD by their sin. Also since GOD arranged all things that they could not commit the sin if it was not okay for them to do so.

They simply followed out the reasoning of many who follow Calvin.
---Samuel on 1/7/10


Jack B, I've given you the very Word of God. All you have given is one passage out of context. I wanted to keep the peace Jack but you continue to speak without any Scripture only what you feel, and then you say,
"Mark, my anger is rooted in the fact that your belief does the devils work for him under the guise of Christianity"
First of all you had said you were not angry. You lied. You admit you are. Second you brought Satan into the picture. Then you suggest I am working for him. Does that sound like the right thing to say to a brother in Christ who is discussing the Sovereignty of God? If that is what you call love, no wonder you are so messed up about the Love of God. Jack, for your own good, just do not answer me.
---MarkV. on 1/7/10


Mark theres a lot of things God COULD do and He would be justified in doing so.

He COULD wipe out the entire earth right now and send us all the hell for our sins.

He COULD do anything He wants to because He is The Creator.

But its quite obvious that we have a God who can set aside His righteous wrath because His love and compassion for us (meaning the whole world) is greater than His swift justice.

Your child ever disobey you and cause themself harm when they were litte? Were you more angry they disobeyed you or more concerned with making sure they didnt hurt themselves too badly?

He is longsuffering toward us not willing that ANY should perish. It doesnt say "any of the elect".
---JackB on 1/7/10


Mark, my anger is rooted in the fact that your belief does the devils work for him under the guise of Christianity. It teaches God doesnt love everyone. Imagine putting that poison into a man's heart and that man never setting foot in a Christian church because he figures himself as one of those "elected to hell" anyway.

That church very likely causes more people to reject Christ than to accept Him. I wish you would get out of it.

I still wonder why 6 years after you accepted Christ as your Savior you decided you needed to follow the beliefs of John Calvin. I could be wrong but I suspect you were having doubts about your salvation or the salvation of a loved one and Calvanism put an end to that for you.
---JackB on 1/7/10


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Pharoah, Esau and the Jews. God used their hardened hearts against them. If they wont ever turn (which God foreknows) and are condemned anyway, why wouldnt God "harden" them further? These men all had a purpose in Gods plan in order to bring salvation to the rest of the world.

For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


Its done Mark. Now is the time of salvation and grace which is extended to all men who will receive it.
---JackB on 1/7/10


Jack B, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I am answering to the subjects of Salvation, election, and God's right to choose whom He will's to have mercy on. You on the other hand speak against salvation by God's purpose and will, against His right to elect whom He wills unto salvation.
Now, you don't have to believe in the mercy of God and His right to elect whom He wills, "it is not a must." You can continue the way you believe now. If God has forgiven you, nothing else matters when you stand before God at the Judgment Seat of Christ, for that judgment is for rewards.
But you don't have to get angry. Anger will not change anything only make your spirit unsettled, and blogs disappear"
---MarkV. on 1/6/10


None of the above is correct. It is so amazing the people God chooses.
---catherine on 1/5/10


We pray for the lost so that God can work a miracle in their life's . If it was possible for man to do this works then we would not need God, so we would not pray to God.
---MarkV. on 1/5/10

Mark, you're more Arminian than you think.
---JackB on 1/5/10


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Jack B,
You said it right....
There is no turning from sin unless you turn to the ONE WHO overcame sin for you. Its not us turning from sin, its us turning to Jesus Christ/Cross. HE is the author of our salvation.
What must man do to be saved? Turn to Christ in faith.
---duane on 1/5/10


Jerry //Lee: Perhaps you could get someone to explain to you the difference between biblical truth and lying - maybe a child.

Hopefully one of these days the Spirit of Jesus will speak to you and help you understand that "you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child." Hebrews 5:12f.

The verses truly fits you doesn't it Jerry?

Strongly suggest that you find a church that preaches the Gospel and obey the command to come out of that church of Babylon 'lest you share in her plagues' Rev. 18:4
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


Lets get this right. All descendants of Adam are at enmity against God. They are separated from God because they are spiritually dead to the things of God. They have no faith, no remore, no love for Christ. What they need is an awakening by the Holy Spirit to bring them to life, to believe by faith, to see and understand the word of God, to see their sin against God and repent, and to love Christ. No one who is lost and spiritually dead can do that on his own while dead.
We pray for the lost so that God can work a miracle in their life's. If it was possible for man to do this works then we would not need God, so we would not pray to God.
---MarkV. on 1/5/10


Lee: Perhaps you could get someone to explain to you the difference between biblical truth and lying - maybe a child.
---jerry6593 on 1/5/10


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"Do you have to stop sinning before coming to Christ "
Matthew 3:8: "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:"

"repent and believe Christ and he stops you from sinning?"
If Christ stops one from sinning, why Paul commends this advice:
1 Thesalonians 5:15: "See that none render evil for evil unto any man, but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men."
1 Corinthians 6:18: "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body."
---Nana on 1/5/10


Matthew 19:25,26

When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.


John 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


The whole point is that God wants us to rely upon Jesus for our salvation. Before we come to Him we have no power against sin. Repentance is turning away from trying to save yourself and trusting Christ to do it.
---JackB on 1/4/10


Great question. Do you clean a fish before you catch it? No, right?

You repent first and repent means to turn away from your sins. Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, Go and sin NO MORE.

Jesus doesn't stop anyone from sinning. He gave us all a FREE will to choose right from wrong. You don't lose that when you become a Christian.

Once you repent for your sins, give your heart to Jesus and ask Him to come and live in you. Study the bible. Pray. Worship, fellowship with other believers.

When and if you feel like sinning, cry out Lord help me NOT to do this, I don't want to do this, please help me. If you do sin, repent and He is faithful and just to forgive you your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
---Donna on 1/4/10


Jerry //You prove it every time you bear false witness against your ChristiaNet neighbors.

All too often what is viewed as a false witness is simply a negative reaction against what is the Biblical truth.

Historically Adventists have borne false witness. All one needs to see that is to read the writings of Ellen White.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/10


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Lee: "'Jerry //But we can still CHOOSE to sin - rather than obey - anytime we wish.' Is that really true?"

Yes! You prove it every time you bear false witness against your ChristiaNet neighbors.
---jerry6593 on 1/4/10


Jerry //But we can still CHOOSE to sin - rather than obey - anytime we wish.

Is that really true?

Those born by the Spirit of Christ have been given a new nature that adhors sin.

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, behold, the new has come.

Php 2:13 for it is [not] God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. If so, then your will is being changed?

If you still have the desire to sin, then you truly have a problem with your spirituality and I would question if you are even indwelt by His Spirit. Romans 8:9b
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


//Sin is still here. Jesus took away the PENALTY OF SIN for those who will accept it. But we can still CHOOSE to sin - rather than obey - anytime we wish.

Very good Jerry but your friends Paul9594 & even more so, Eloy will truly take exception to your remark that we are still capable of sinning.

In any case, the sin committed by those in Christ is not counted against them since their righteousness is in Christ, not in their own works of the flesh.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/10


duane: "Jesus Christ took sin away at the Cross."

WRONG! Look around you. Sin is still here. Jesus took away the PENALTY OF SIN for those who will accept it. But we can still CHOOSE to sin - rather than obey - anytime we wish.
---jerry6593 on 1/3/10


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Amen Duane. Jesus is the Lamb of God, who took away the sin of the world. For "He was made to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him". He gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from 'all' iniquity, and "purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works". Jesus carried our sin in His own body via His sacrifice, so that we are now dead to sin, and should live unto righteousness: Knowing this, that He "was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him is no sin". As believers we are in Him and He loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his own blood. Therefore a worshipper once purged should have no more conscience of sins.
---Josef on 1/3/10


Neither one is correct. Jesus Christ took sin away at the Cross. Nothing we can do or add to that can take sin away. Its all and only HIM. The Cross sets a man free from sin. How else could mankind come close to God to be saved? While we were YET sinners, HE forgave us.
HE bears the sin of all, through HIS blood.

Now the question should be, what must a man do to be saved? Ans.. Faith in what HE has already done for you. He has died for you and has given HIS life TO you.
By grace through FAITH.
---duane on 1/2/10


djconklin:

Yes, of course that is true, but why is it that there is not a utopia within the Christian community? Some of the bloodiest conflicts in history have not been the world vs. Christians, but rather Christians vs. the world, and Christians vs. other Christians.

One could argue such bloodthirsty Christians weren't "real" Christians, but then one must examine WHY that is - why is being a "proper" Christian so hard if so few can do it? If it requires such arduous work despite Christ's sacrifice (like being sinless under the Old Covenant), it is more a matter of works than of faith - and implies that we are scarsely better off after Christ's sacrifice than before, the implications would be most disturbing.
---StrongAxe on 1/1/10


//Do you have to stop sinning before coming to Christ or do you repent and believe Christ and he stops you from sinning.

I was a very well trained moralist when before I came to know Christ. But without Christ in your life, you are unsaved from the wrath of God to come. And as djconklin states we are 'at enmity with God'

Paul, before his Damascus road conversion, far exceed the righteousness of his peers even when it came to observance of the Torah law, howbeit, he counted all that much simply as rubbish. Php. 3:8

We need not reform ourselves prior to coming to Christ, as that (our sanctification) is clearly the job of God's Holy Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/10


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>If it were that simple, then why hasn't the world been living in a utopian Christian millenium for the past 2000 years?

Because the world is at enmity with God.
---djconklin on 1/1/10


Cluny:

If it were that simple, then why hasn't the world been living in a utopian Christian millenium for the past 2000 years?
---StrongAxe on 12/31/09


The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:
and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.



For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.


Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.

I thank God, through his son.
God love you
---TheSeg on 12/31/09


God has to help you change into a new person. Once certain things are mastered with God's help, pray for Him to help you with other things?
---amand6348 on 12/31/09


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You can't "stop" sinning without Christ. We are powerless to do so. A man can feel guilt and repent but that doesnt give him power over sin.

It is only when we ask Christ into our hearts that the Holy Spirit gives us power over sin. We still aren't perfect as some would claim, but its a walk, a renewing of our minds by the Spirit of God. We trip often during the walk and Jesus picks us back up again.

"Just as I am without one plea, but that Thy blood was shed for me.
To thee whose blood can cleanse each spot, Oh Lamb of God I come... I come"

God showed us His merciful side in Jesus Christ. He showed us that love is not proud. He became a servant to save us. A perfect example to us.
---JackB on 12/31/09


You accept Christ as savior and you can still sin. There is never a time in your life when you stop faceing temptation. But the good thing is that God will always forgive you of your sins. That doesnt mean keep sinning and do whatever you want. When God forgives you of your sin, He never remembers it. At the point of Salvation, you are saved and can never become un-saved. You can still sin, but God will always forgive you. To be saved all you must do is to repent and believe that Jesus did die on the cross and can save you
---nathaniel on 12/31/09


After reading this statement

"YOU come to Christ.....

and YOU stop sinning."
---Cluny on 12/31/09

I would like to ask you Cluny have you stopped sinning?
---mima on 12/31/09


Trish I agree, but I ran across a man that is saying that you must stop your sin BEFORE you can be saved by Christ. He is using both old and new testament scripture (cherry picking) instead of using scripture in context. He stated that Abraham was saved by God because of his obedience but I know the Bible says that Abaraham was saved because of his faith in God. I lost a friend because he is teaching self righteousness.
---miche3754 on 12/31/09


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You repent of your past sins when you come to God through his son Jesus. Then you are in for a big shock,Christ doesn't stop you from sinning. You stop you from sinning. When you repent from past sins and surrender to God your Entire being,a total giving up or dying to self, a desire to please your Master,God,that you love God more than the World,and a healthy fear of God's wrath if you don't obey his Word,will make you want to not sin. That is when you are to realize you are a new creature in Christ and seek God's will for every part of your life.
---Darlene_1 on 12/31/09


YOU come to Christ.....

and YOU stop sinning.
---Cluny on 12/31/09


I suggest you study the Word of God and see how others came to saving knowledge of Christ. Throughout the book of Acts, people were told to believe on the Lord, repent and be saved. NOWHERE in any of those accounts does it say anything about stopping sinning to get into God's good graces.
---Trish9863 on 12/31/09


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