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Is the entire bible (with or without Apocrypha) God breathed?

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Christ when there was no New Testatment said:


"You search the Scriptures because you believe they give you eternal life.
But the Scriptures point to me! John 5:39



Yet some today want to abolish the Law and the Prophets,Scriptures? Why?
---Paul9594 on 1/11/10


kathr4453 //Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle/SPHERE of the earth, Even scripture told us the earth was round long before 500 years ago!!!

And then there were those that truly believed the earth had 4 corners, but what sphere has 4 corners?

Re 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Like the terms 'all the earth' and 'everything under heaven' it is really a matter of ones perspective.

But let us not tell Warwick as the truth to him has always been rather confusing.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle/SPHERE of the earth,
---kathr4453 on 1/11/10


The sitting is in the sky. The circle is the horizon. SPHERE is YOUR addition. You are reading to prop your doctrine.
Funny how Noah didn't use the same language. hmmmm.
You do not believe writers of "Erets" told the truth then.
You call them liars. It is the translation in modern understanding that out of sync.

So what solution? Can there be scripture conflict? No there is none....in a "erets" flood.
Some believe a 2nd witness. Some 1,700. Some would not believe if Noah rose from the dead and slapped them.
---Trav on 1/11/10


Kathr4453, You're misleading here! (khoog Heb.) is a circle as a "compass" not a "sphere" ,your dinner plate is a circle but it's not a sphere!
Back to square one!
It's inaccuracy that causes problems!
---1st_cliff on 1/11/10


World that was then...should be your stop...what world is he talking about clue. The world/erets of Noah that encompassed Noahs "world". Even the disciple knew only of a limited "erets",kosmos. Didn't write about Alaska/Sth America now did he.
Erets...over 1,700 times in scripture....study each call me back.
---Trav on 1/10/10


Oh Trav, since when does scripture have to depend on what the desciples knew from a geographical point. You make it seem as though their words were only limited to their own inderstanding.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle/SPHERE of the earth,

Even scripture told us the earth was round long before 500 years ago!!!
---kathr4453 on 1/11/10




If everything is given to you by God, then if a thing is not clear to you.
What would you have to say?

But more important is understanding!
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Moreover, If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?

Buy, these few word something should be clear!
My hope, faith and believe must have been given to me.

1Co 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Brother God Bless!
---TheSeg on 1/11/10


1 Cliff, I didn't think if I gave you an answer you would just accept it and be on your way. I knew you would have something to say about it. You could have picked any reason that came to your mind. Example: like a person wrote it, or humans make mistakes, or you cannot see the Holy Spirit so how can you tell it was inspired?, and so on. I was not here to convince you, as Athiest you have an answer for everything. You do not believe it because you have no faith in His Word. And since you don't, you argue against what It says, whether you understand parts or not.
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


.....earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

Trav, what part of this verse don't you understand?
---kathr4453 on 1/8/10

Well could say same, but it's obvious without witnesses. Yet again trying to teach, should be learning.
You break with the disciples,prophets come off as understanding a scripture?

World that was then...should be your stop...what world is he talking about clue. The world/erets of Noah that encompassed Noahs "world". Even the disciple knew only of a limited "erets",kosmos. Didn't write about Alaska/Sth America now did he.
Erets...over 1,700 times in scripture....study each call me back.
---Trav on 1/10/10


MarkV: I agree, the Bible is full of hard sayings, e.g., Is. 46:10 & Ez. 33:11. I believe there's faith-based knowledge in the Bible that's privy to all Christians, i.e., Jesus' virgin birth, belief unto salvation for the finished work of Jesus on the cross (his death, burial & resurrection), etc.

One day I'll die having not understood all that's written in the Bible & that's okay. It's a far better thing to be born again & know the One who knows everything (Omniscient God). I'm privileged to know what God wants me to know from the Bible & then to be able to share it with others. By faith, I believe & trust God for His Devine-revelation (Gen.-Rev.).

p.s. Pray for poor Cliff...
---Leon on 1/10/10


I see things so differently. Like God telling you in the bible, I am your teacher! I will be teaching you, all things, everything!
It is me!

But so many of us today say things contrary to what the bible itself says. But dont see it.
Saying I know the word of God. Do you?

I say, Sorry and do forgive me! But, its like saying the bible is God!
The bible is neither God nor The word of God, why! someone, anyone! Please tell me?
Who is the word of God!

Ill stop here, and I do understand what youre going through. But, for the love of God please do not let a man teach you. Read it and listen for him!

Forgive me?
---TheSeg on 1/10/10




MarkV, It may surprise you to know that there are NO "original" manuscripts.
Of the multitude of manuscripts extant,some are just fragments, there are no two "identical",which one is "God breathed?"
---1st_cliff on 1/10/10


Yes it is the true inspired word of God. The original mansuscripts. Of course not all the Bibles are precised, only the originals manuscriptes are. Any arguements or as to fallicy are pointed at those who have changed the language so that others could read the message of God in their own language and there will be mistakes but not enough to change the meaning of the passages. But the Word of God now is enough to bring anyone to Christ and keep him save through the power of God. Without faith you will always argue against His Word. For all who are lost have no spiritual discernment.
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


Dana, Your's is the classic example of what I'm saying. "God's answer to your question..." then you quote Paul??? Is he God??
A Pharisee's answer is "God's word"????
My how things change!
---1st_cliff on 1/10/10


Gods word gives us the answer to every question we have and its reliable. Anything or opions of others we have to ask our selves does it line up with the word of God. Here is Gods answer to your question.1 timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, God Bless you all!
---dana on 1/9/10


Of course it is the inspired and God breathed word of God. How can a person be a true Christian if they do not believe the inspiration of the Holy Bible. Every belief in God stands upon the inspiration of the holy scriptures, The Holy Bible.
---dee9833 on 1/9/10


Leon, you and I might not agree on certain aspects of Scripture but it is because of our studies or interpretations. In the case of Cliff, he has not faith on the Word of God. Here is what I mean, I don't know how on the one hand God can say in Isaiah 45:10, "I do all My pleasure" and then later say "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" And if its hard for us to understand, that's not God's problem, That is our problem, because we just don't have the ability to understand that. But we believe it because God said it. Maybe in a later time we will understand it. God doesn't have a problem, we have a problem. It only shows that we are human and don't have the mind of God. But we have faith on His Word.
---MarkV. on 1/9/10


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Lee: You are not an untelligent man. But you do seem to be "willingly ignorant" on the subject of Noah's flood.

2Pe 3:3-6 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS, BEING OVERFLOWED WITH WATER, PERISHED:
---jerry6593 on 1/9/10


Leon, My mind is crystal clear,Mom use to have a saying about your type, "They're so heavenly minded that they're no earthly good" God does not talk to us in secret code,but language we can understand! All this confusion is satan's to keep you "off guard" A.D.D. is a condition that prevents people from having a straight forward conversation. Maybe you should look into that? It's a matter of staying "focused" on a given subject. My wife has a touch of this and tends to "ramble".. Settle down!
---1st_cliff on 1/9/10


Like I've said before Cliff, you really don't get it in your natural, double-minded, sin condition. There's no telling or showing you anything because of your present state of mental impairment/confusion. Conversing with you is like trying to reason with a drunk. Impossible! Sober up -- repent (be restored to your right mind) then, maybe, we can reason together.
---Leon on 1/8/10


Leon, Did the serpent "overpower" God in Eden?? Adam and Eve (Ish and Isha) followed willingly. Paul didn't have to "overpower" the HS> the Christians followed him willingly seeing that their Shepherd had left! (opportunism)
So, Mr. Spirit led, tell me one chapter in Rev. that is reasonable (rational) Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns? Harlot riding a beast? Vials poured on churches? etc.. there's got to be 100 different "interpretations" of any one of these symbolic (figurative) episodes.
Who has the right one ???You??
God is not the author of confusion!
---1st_cliff on 1/8/10


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"Jesus sent the 'Comforter' [God the Holy Ghost] & Paul showed up, taking the place of the 'Paraclete' [God the Holy Ghost]." Cliff/1/7

Oh really?! So, even though God's Son Jesus sent God the Holy Ghost, somehow Saul/Paul was able to overpower God, take His place, infiltrate & corrupt/destroy the Church? (Matt. 16:18). Sin retards Cliff & what you say is severely twisted thinking!

"Nothing in Revelation makes a lick of sense!" Cliff/1/7

To who, you? Since you aren't led by the power of God the Holy Spirit, your understanding is that of a natural man (1 Cor. 2:14).

"What else do you need?" "YOU" need to be born again!
---Leon on 1/8/10


'erets means 'world, earth, land, ground, soil, country region, territory.' Like all words it is defined by context.

What was God trying to tell us? ..(God's word) never implies a local flood. ----Warwick on 1/6/10

It doesn't?? You just showed us above it does!
This is your best unrealized testimony of all blogs on original word used for "world". Erets.

A searching child (lamb)will grasp "Erets" in Hebrew...is not "global" "World". When they research over 1,700 times it's used. Knowing/understanding no man knew the earth was round...with evidence until appx 500 years ago. GOD bless the lambs. Luke 10:3
Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
---Trav on 1/8/10


For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

Trav, what part of this verse don't you understand?
---kathr4453 on 1/8/10


//Some here are quite taken with their "superior" scholarship, yet they lack the depth of understanding given to a little child by a simple act of faith.

And a small child upon reading Mark 9:43 would take it literally.

And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.

Yes, Jerry we all realize that you are still on the milk bottle as the meat of the Word would still be too much for you. 1 Cor. 3:2f

No wonder you scorn anyone that has studied the Bible as such does interfere with you simple minded mentality.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


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Therefore by your reasoning we must believe Genesis 7:19 means the whole globe, musn't we?
---Warwick on 1/6/10

Good try. The waters prevailed over the ERETS,land/country/area.
All high hills in the ERETS,land/country/area
are covered. Heavens are heavens covering the ERETS,land/country/area.

Gen7:19 waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth/erets(land,country,area), all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. (Over the land/country/area)

1. You. Denying emphatically over 1700 times )Original ERETS context.

Your doctrine must have all coming from Noah. Universal man of one earth father. Noah, ur 2nd Adam. Can't mouth or defend can you. Cuz it's not there.
---Trav on 1/8/10


---dee9833: Well said!!

Some here are quite taken with their "superior" scholarship, yet they lack the depth of understanding given to a little child by a simple act of faith.
---jerry6593 on 1/8/10


I would like to go on record in the defense of God's word, The Holy Bible. As the Holy Bible says it is not of a private interpretation, it was God inspired and God breathed. Men spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. None of the writers of the Holy Bible contradicted each other, the problem does not lie in the Holy Bible but in man's ideas and private interpretations. Those who would deny the fact of the Holy Bible being not of God or contraditory have fallen away from the truth, just as the Lord Jesus Christ said many would do in the last days. As I read about the National and World Council of Churches info online I was shocked at the falling away of so many Christians.
---dee9833 on 1/7/10


Kathr4453 How could Paul's words be "God breathed" when he preached soul's immortality (absent from the body..etc.) a deep seated Pharisee belief diametrically opposite to Christ's "death and resurrection"? That's why Jesus called them (Pharisees) off-springs of the devil the father of the "LIE" (lie being serpent's statement to Eve "you will not surely die"!)
To the extent now that all Christendom believe it! (thanks to Paul)
---1st_cliff on 1/7/10


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the disciples job was to commit to faithfull men,teaching what they had learned from their master,What Paul wrote fits perfectly, adding to doctrine as the Lord led him in his calling, Apostle!..the bible says dont waste time arguing with those that oppose themselves..those questing to learn from God's word are too busy adding "precept to precept" to question the Good Lords judgement every inch of the path!
---richard on 1/7/10


Paul did call his letters "my gospel".
The idea of an assembly-church was fourthcoming with or without Paul .
The Pauline "twist ",without clarification from 1stcliff's post below,is none other than an atonement doctrine.
Christianity firmly supports Paul's phyolosophy"twist" on this however I have frequently asked this question in relation to his phyolosophy,--Is sin tranferable?The answer has always been -no.
---earl on 1/7/10


Leon,If the OT (laws prophets and psalms) were sufficient for the 70 evangelists, then apart from the "eyewiness" accounts of Christ's ministry, what else do you need?
It's all there past present and future!
You know that the "churches" were Paul's invention.He taught Phariseeism with a Christian twist!
Jesus sent the "Comforter" and Paul showed up, taking place of the "Paraclete" making laws and rules and taking charge! Writing 12 books (author of Hebrews cannot be verified)
Nothing in Revelation makes a lick of sense!
---1st_cliff on 1/7/10


Cliff: "YOU" reject Paul's teachings & claim he started his own church apart from the "Church of Jesus Christ". (Matt. 16:18) "YOU" doubt the credibility & teachings of Mark & Luke. "YOU" seem to have no problem with the Gospel of John or 1st, 2d & 3d John. But, the Book of Revelation, according to "YOU", isn't "reasonable or rational," [not credible]...just "an old man's dream." Okaaay!!!

So, "YOU" think(?) the books of Mk., Lk., Acts, Ro., 1 & 2 Cor., Eph., Philip', Col., 1 & 2 Thes., 1 & 2 Tim., Titus, Philemon & Revelation aren't God breathed (inspired). Incredible!!!

Surely "YOU" have OT issues also? :)
---Leon on 1/7/10


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Sorry but both the truth, good sense, and scholarship are NOT on your side.
---Lee1538 on 1/7/10

Peter not being a Scholar, was speaking as GOD spoke through him-- GOD BREATHED!!. Those believed God, without scholars.

Have we now turn to so called scholars, scientists etc and abandoned FAITH in God Word.
Today's intellectual/modernists Christians are really apostates.

They have exchanged the TRUTH for a LIE, and worship the creature more than the CREATOR!!!

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
---kathr4453 on 1/7/10


To say yes it is we need to be willing to accept that the founding church fathers who acted as "editor in chief" when deciding which writings to include were also inspired by God.

If we let doubt enter in and say that there might be a few books missing or which were not inspired, then we risk having our entire faith collapse.

I have been a Christian my whole life and am not about to start doubting now. And, what is the risk in saying yes? The no answer carries far worse consequences if we choose it and we are wrong!
---obewan on 1/7/10


Lee: "one must mix good sense with ones [sic] interpretation of scripture."

It seems that you have two problems here:

(1) You obviously believe in your superior interpretation of scripture, whereas the Bible says:

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Scripture rightly interprets itself. Your problem is that you try to force it into conformity with worldy, anti-biblical concepts.

(2) You seem to be completely devoid of "good sense."
---jerry6593 on 1/7/10


2 Pet.3:3-6

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

Believe the scientists and the other scoffers, or believe God, who cannot lie. We weren't there, so we must believe God or man. It's a matter of faith. God said the whole earth was covered,at least 15 cubits above the highest mountain peak.
---kathr4453 on 1/7/10


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12 eyewitness apostles,7 planted churches 1 bible: things have spread out a bit since those early beginings..yet we read in Revelation a symbolism for those first 7 churches that spans even to this day in a doctrine known as "dispensation"..I think the key is to Know this, there are good "translations"of God's word and good/bad doctrines concerning it, but only by being a "complete" body does the church keep from splintering into a bunch of sects and cults,and through all the seeming confusion Jesus is still in control and will be to the work is finished among men being SAVED!
---richard on 1/7/10


Warwick =//In the Genesis flood account God made it clear the flood was worldwide...


And we can ALL agree that God made it clear that ALL the world went to Joseph to buy grain.

And 'there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven' including Japan and Korea. Acts2:5

It is certainly clear that the position some take on these issues make Christians look like a bunch of anti-intellectual FOOLS that are incapable of any serious thinking.

Sorry but both the truth, good sense, and scholarship are NOT on your side.
---Lee1538 on 1/7/10


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

With God all things are possible. God surely has the power to make sure His Words were written correctly and the material within the bible was of His choosing. The Holy Spirit is always in agreement with the Father and as a child of God I've never been led to disagree with His Word.
---Bob on 1/6/10


Trav, the term universal flood, has no connection to universalism, the belief that all people will be saved.

In the Genesis flood account God made it clear the flood was worldwide, then to make sure we understand also provided a double qualifier-Genesis 7:19 "...all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered." As you know "the entire heavens" (or whole or all the heavens) is used 6 times outside of Genesis and always has a whole earth/universal meaning. For example 'Whatever is under the whole heavens is mine.' says the Lord God.

You say we should go with the majority meaning,even if out of context. Therefore by your reasoning we must believe Genesis 7:19 means the whole globe, musn't we?
---Warwick on 1/6/10


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kathr4453 //the Bible says EVERYTHING under Heaven was under water. I do not take the word of a scientist to determine if GOD's WORD is a lie.

Acts 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.

Were the Jews from Korea or the China there in Jerusalem?

I am well aware of what the Bible states, however, the view that 'everything under heaven' is much like 'all the earth' meaning simply from the perspective of those who witnessed the flood.

Did 'all the earth' go to Joseph in Egypt to buy grain? Did 'all the earth' get taxed by Rome?

Again, Biblical scholarship is on my side, one must mix good sense with ones interpretation of scripture.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Lee, as you admit your authority is scientists, "who base their theories on factual and tangible evidence.." Ever changing human beliefs are your authority, not God.

I have quite a few geologist friends and often turn to them for specific advice.

Man-made theories, as you call them, are not capable of being tested by the scientific method and are therefore informed guesses. Do we argue about the rate of acceleration caused by gravity acting upon a body? No because we can test it. What happened in the past cannot be tested.

Interestingly your beliefs in many ways are similar to nonBelievers or atheists who have blogged here. You just place a little of God in here and there!
---Warwick on 1/6/10


Trav, ...as you already reject Scripture as God's word.

'erets means 'world, earth, land, ground, soil, country region, territory.---Warwick on 1/6/10

I reject bad translations of original.
I reject false doctrines.
I reject preachers of such.
GOD does no less.
Thousands of Scriptural witnesses are a little more solid rock than your accusations based on?? Doctrinal opinion, preacher scarey talk. My witnesses don't scare.
You are trying to divert/subvert another issue. Your doctrine implies Noah was a second Adam.
Again, this is not stated or stated or witnessed by any in scripture.
Wide is your catholic/universal way. As a pointer...I've done my work. It's all on you.
---Trav on 1/6/10


Always on:Finally someone with a little "common sense"
As I have said before, Jesus sent out the Evangelists saying "Go therefore ..teaching..making disciples.." Mat.28. They had no NT yet were able to "teach"
Matthew ,John, Peter, James and Jude were "eyewitnesses" of Christ's ministry,and wrote about it.
Mark (Peter's convert) and Luke (Paul's convert) were "hearsay witnesses"
Paul started his own "Church" writing 12/13 books for his "Paulite" followers!
All bound together OT and NT to make one big "Bible'! Seperating or questioning any of it raises the "ire" of the fundamentalist!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/10


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And if so,then we have really no other choice but to conclude Noah's flood was only a regional event.

And furthermore in consideration as to why God sent the flood in the first place, with very small earthly population, the flood only needed to accomplish its purpose thru a regional not earthwide flood.

Again, intellegent people would mix good sense in interpretating the Bible.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10

Lee, the Bible says EVERYTHING under Heaven was under water. I do not take the word of a scientist to determine if GOD's WORD is a lie.

You contradicted yourself here.

Scientists are also saying man lived a million years ago too..etc...That's impossible! Science is not accurate, and new evidence changes daily.
---kathr4453 on 1/6/10


Warwick -//You have no idea how the scientists estimate the age of Everest. You just believe it!

From what either of us know of geology, there would be a good chance we would lose any discussion on this issue with a good geologist.

Scientists are people who base their theories on factual and tangible evidence, otherwise they would not be scientists but simply skeptics like yourself.

In any case, by this time you should have acknowledged that 'all the earth' does not necessarily mean the entire global earth.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Warwick -//Lee, I am glad you have finally admitted you hold long-ages, nonBiblical views.

I believe each & every word of the Bible as it is the inspired infallible word of God. However, unlike what you do, I do not read into the Word of God things that are NOT THERE.RE: your views on 6 literal creation days in Genesis 1.

And I rarely base anything I believe on ASSUMPTIONS.

Frankly, you believe simply what you have been taught and one thing you were taught is not to question anything of Scripture of what you were taught.

Those kinds of people have made good Nazis in Germany, Fascists in Italy, and Communists in former Russian block countries.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Trav, Barr is a liberal, not believing the Bible is historic reality. Some of you are in a similar situation but not as far gone as him. Nonetheless you are on the 'slippery slope' unto disbelief, as you already reject Scripture as God's word. Disbelief is nothing new. The OT demonstrates the results were catastrophic for the whole nation. word.

'erets means 'world, earth, land, ground, soil, country region, territory.' Like all words it is defined by context. The primary context is that Scripture is "God breathed." Not from man's knowledge or beliefs but from God who was well aware of the whole earth! What was God trying to tell us?

The language of Genesis (God's word) never implies a local flood. The opposite.
---Warwick on 1/6/10


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Lee, by blind faith in the changing falible opinions of sinful man, who was not there, you reject the plain meaning of God's word, who was there and does make mistakes, or lie..

You have no idea how the scientists estimate the age of Everest. You just believe it!

If you knew what you were talking about you would see that scientists do not agree upon such matters, any more than they agree upon climate change, for one example. The reason is because these beliefs are not the result of the scientific method (testability, observability, repeatability) obviously, as they cannot be subjected to the scientific method. They are beliefs. You gullibly accept these changing stories as fact and reject God's perfect word because of this!
---Warwick on 1/6/10


Since the New Testament didn't exist as part of the Bible yet, Paul was endorsing the Old Testament when he wrote 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God...". Though many assume he meant the New Testament, too, truth is Paul didn't consider the writings of the Apostles or his own letters as scripture, nor did he know they would one day be added to the sciptures.

That said, the OT is God-breathed or else Yahushua would have made corrections. The 4 gospel accounts are definitely God-breathed because they tell of His Anointed One. But other parts of the NT may be God-breathed and others not. To discern the difference, one must read, study, pray and maintain a close relationship with the Father.
---AlwaysOn on 1/6/10


Warwick -//Now tell me upon what testable science do "scientists estimate Mt. Everest was formed around 60 million years ago."

Since I am NOT a geologist, I really cannot answer that question.

But clearly as scientists they should be able to defend the view Everest was formed some 60 million years ago.

And if so,then we have really no other choice but to conclude Noah's flood was only a regional event.

And furthermore in consideration as to why God sent the flood in the first place, with very small earthly population, the flood only needed to accomplish its purpose thru a regional not earthwide flood.

Again, intellegent people would mix good sense in interpretating the Bible.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Lee1538, No Jesus did not come "quickly" as John says He said He would!
Looks like John added his own wistful thinking here. (every word God breathed ???)Nah!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/10


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Yes, every single WORD is breath from God.
Like it or not they are His words.
It's not love, love, love. It's hell, hell, hell.
---catherine on 1/3/10

Yes, I agree, if you mean original words were.
The translated words....some are a not always supporting/witnessing of the original.

1. Love/lovest/loved found 442 times in scripture. Means what it implies.
2. Hell found 54 times. (Means grave originally)

Death found 346 times. Die found 510.
Live found 418, life 412.

Israel 2,318 times, Sheep 189. Same thing, plus many other fond names. Holy,peculiar,separate, annointed,chosen,elect, blessed etc.
---Trav on 1/6/10


Interestingly James Barr, Chair of Hebrew at Oxford University said the writers of Genesis intended to convey the idea that "Noahs flood was understood to be world-wide .... An excellent hostile witness.....Warwick.


Yes, anyone can see that the writers of Genesis coveyed the idea of world wide.
World Wide...was....basically as far as they could see at the moment.
Their world was where they might have walked, at most probably 500 miles. You/I have never walked even 50 miles.

Erets=land,country is the proper original scriptural word. 1,700 time makes it clear if you are looking for a couple of witnesses, try Erets.
---Trav on 1/6/10


Lee, I am glad you have finally admitted you hold long-ages, nonBiblical views. You have denied this in the past. As your admission shows you do not reject the worldwide flood because of Scripture but because of mans fallible opinions! I thank you for your belated honesty.

Now tell me upon what testable science do "scientists estimate Mt. Everest was formed around 60 million years ago."
---Warwick on 1/5/10


Is there any chapter or verse in Revelation that you could call "reasonable or rational" or is it ,as one Episcopalian Pastor told me "an old man's dreams"?
Was the last book accepted in the NT canon (with much controversy), and left out of the Syriac Orthodox Bible!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/10


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Warwick - your assumption that Noah's flood covered all the mountains of the earth cannot be reasonably substantiated as scientists estimate Mt. Everest was formed around 60 million years ago - long before Noah's regional flood.

Your problem is that you do not mix your interpretation of the Bible with good common sense. You should use the brain that the good Lord gave you.

I am not sure if Noah's boat has any guidance system whatsoever so they simply had to float around until they got stuck on a land mass and that could have taken days.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


catherine //The entire Bible is God's word, period! There is none other.

Could not agree more, however, what we are seeing on this forum is the belief that one's interpretation must be the word of God.

Such fallacious beliefs that the God created the world in 6 literal 24 hr days, and that Noah's flood was not regional are simply interpretations of Biblical passages.

And yes lst_cliff Christ will come "quickly" as that is from the perspective of God not man and a thousand years to God is but a very short time.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/10


Warwick, Pointing out error= sowing doubt??
It's not a matter of doubting God's supernatural power, it's a matter of recognizing error when I see it!
Your solution-turn a blind eye!
This requires a little extra thought >Ist Verse in Rev. Things that must "soon"(shortly)take place!
2nd last verse > "SURELY I COME "QUICKLY"!(KJV)
Nothing to do with God's power, everything to do with "Inspiration".
Where do I err here???
---1st_cliff on 1/5/10


The entire Bible is God's word, period! There is none other.
---catherine on 1/5/10


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Trav, Yes, the death of the husband frees the wife to remarry
But God was the husband of adulteress Israel, and He's immortal. So she is NEVER free to remarry!
Trav???
---1st_cliff on 1/2/10

You believe YAHSHUA,Christ son of GOD, & GOD. He died.

You believe the New Covenant, right?
Hebrews 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with house of Israel and with house of Judah:

Acknowledging GOD can do anything he wants, with anyone he chooses....gives one peace.
Luke 1:72
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant

Heb9...death of the testator.
---Trav on 1/5/10


not only the bible,but faith,love,the earth,his son,salvation,what more could he give?
---tom2 on 1/5/10


There you are again Cliff, you faithless man, attempting to sow doubt. I think by now most will know what you are up to.

Always you doubt the supernatural power of God. The whole of the universe and everything in it was created by God, 'bara', from nothing. I am quite sure the Creator of all there is quite capable of doing whatever He says He will do.

Do you believe anything in Scripture is God's Truth?
---Warwick on 1/5/10


The entire bible!
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All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
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I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
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And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
---TheSeg on 1/4/10


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New Testament scholar FF Bruce pointed out:

"The NT books did not become authoritative for the Church because they were formally included in a canonical list, on the contrary, the Church included them in her canon because she already regarded them as divinely inspired, recognising their innate worth and generally apostolic authority, direct or indirect. [Church] councils [did] not impose something new upon the Christian communities but codif[ied] what was already the general practice of those communities." ["The New Testament Documents: Are they reliable?" IVP 1960]

Or as Bruce Metzger pointed out, "the canon is a list of authoritative books more than it is an authoritative list of books"
---Warwick on 1/4/10


The WORDS in the bible is HOPE. It is these words that I heard that did gave me hope. Now I know the love of God.

The gospel is good news, if you say its bad(negative) news, you havent heard it yet.
---duane on 1/4/10


Definately yes

Whatever the first english translated version was is prolly the one I would judge as the most accurate as men tend to "translate" the word differently to suite their beliefs.
---JackB on 1/4/10


Rev.12.3 "..enormous red dragon..4.His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to earth"
There are 100 thousand million stars just in our "Milky way" Our closest star Proxima Centaurus (apart from the sun) is 4.2 light years distance.
If just one of those tiny blinking stars hit our planet we would be "historical vapour"
God breathed ??? or John's imagination!
Just like "soon"
---1st_cliff on 1/4/10


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Is this a trick question? LOL

Seriously - I know you are a Godly person, and I know you know the answer to this.

Yes, I believe the ENTIRE bible is God Breathed.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---Donna on 1/4/10


Just as a dictionary is noninspired, so too is the apocrypha. The apocrypha is not of the Hebrew TaNaKh (Torah, Neviim and Ketuvim: Law, Prophets and Writings). They are not found in Hebrew, and are rejected by Judaism. And comparing the apocrypha with the holy scripture- "precept upon precept: line upon line"- they are proven to be contrary to the Holy Writ. And upon study I also reject them- "and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice: and a stranger will they not follow, for they know not the voice of strangers". The apocrypha are proven to be noninspired and noncanonical, and therefore they are also rightly kept out of the Greek GaZA (Gennese eulogos, Zoe and Apocalypse: Gospel, Life and Revelation).
---Eloy on 1/3/10


Eloy, * Apocrypha is Non inspired*
What is your standard for judging?
---1st_cliff on 1/3/10


Rev1.1 "These are the things that must (tacheos) take place, translated "soon" in some versions (shortly KJV)
Meaning speedily,quickly, suddenly..etc.
2,000 years is not "soon" in any language from Arabic to Zulu.
Did John make a mistake ??
---1st_cliff on 1/3/10


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Yes, every single WORD is breath from God. He gave His words to His chosen, great, men and women of God. The whole Bible is God's spoken words. Like it or not they are His words. And I might add, 2/3 of the Bible is negative. It's not love, love, love. It's hell, hell, hell.
---catherine on 1/3/10


Apocrypha is NonInspired.
---Eloy on 1/3/10


"Is the entire bible (with or without Apocrypha) God breathed?" Yes, as in.

" 'All' scripture [is] given 'by inspiration of God', and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost." All Scripture is in some way guided or controlled through a Divine influence that "stimulates energies, ideals or reverence".
---joseph on 1/2/10


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