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Forgiveness Before Sinning

Can a person receive forgiveness for a sin before that sin is committed?

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Guess one can say sin is dirt. But if one becomes the dirt.
Then I say you have become dead to dirt.
I am not saying do them, I am saying know you have!

Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers:

For in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
---TheSeg on 1/20/10


-- Mima & SuzieH :

//// The whole world isn't forgiven ////

Brethren, Actually Christ said, All sins shall be Forgiven unto the sons of men : except for the blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Which is being separate from the Lord's Holy Spirit, requiring us to be joined with His Spirit through receiving the Forgiveness in Christ.

So, Take note of the difference between "Being" Forgiven and "Receiving" Forgiveness !!

The Righteous have received Forgiveness, being "Dead to Sin" & no longer Living therein. While the sins of the unsaved have been Forgiven, they haven't received the Lord's Forgiveness yet b/c they're not dead to sin : and are still in danger of Eternal Damnation.
---ShawnM.T. on 1/20/10


No. The sin must be committed and the person is required to repent before forgiveness is granted: for the righteous need not forgiveness, but the guilty.
---Eloy on 1/20/10


---SuzieH you wrote,
"The whole world isn't forgiven either"

But the Bible says in the first John 2:2,
" And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"

The word propitiation carries the basic idea of appeasement, or satisfaction, specifically towards God.

Do you see a problem here?
---mima on 1/20/10


Suzie, A genuine believer will forgive another if he has the Spirit within him. It might not be in a moment but it will happen. If he doesn't, he has not the Spirit of God. It does not mean if you do not do one thing but do all others, you suddenly lose salvation.
You said, "
"but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come. "(Matt 12:31,32)"

The whosoever who speaks against the Holy Ghost is a person who know Jesus works are true but still reject Him anyway sin "against the Holy Spirit" because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His Truth known to us (John 15:26, 16:14,15).
---MarkV. on 1/20/10




Linda, Mima,

The answer is No.
No one has quoted 1 example, it doesn't exist.

The whole world isn't forgiven either. It is available upon conditions...
but God has told us that all will not be forgiven.

People will be destroyed because of their own sin.

Also, IF believers were already forgiven,
Why did Jesus tell us to ask for forgiveness daily? Mat6,Luke11?Why would Jesus tell believers if we didn't forgive our brothers,
God wouldn't forgive us either?Mt6:15,18:35

IF all sins were forgiven, why would God tell us that:

"but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come. "(Mat 12:31,32)
---SuzieH on 1/15/10


When considering this question you might want to ask is it possible to sell something before you own it.? Stock brokers understand this very easily.
---mima on 1/15/10


2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Has this happen yet?
So then, it is the hope of forgiveness, because, that which is seen is not hope.
And that which is not of faith is sin?
Kind of a catch 22!
---TheSeg on 1/13/10


Mima:

Is this one of those Sphynx riddles?

This sounds like the one "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around, does it make any sound?". Duh.

How can sin not be sin? Or how can it be forgiven if it is not committed?

I think the question you are asking is "Were all my sins, past, present, and future forgiven by God when I accepted Jesus as my Savior?

My answer to that question is Yes.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/13/10


I just read these.
"Mima, the difference between my answer and the answers of those who believe forgiveness rests upon the performance of the believer is that my answer points to the Lamb. Finally, behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. Sin is singular, not plural. The sin of the world is unbelief, which is dealt with by beholding the Lamb." Linda 1/5
"If Christ died ONCE for sin, that means all sin was placed on Him 2000 years ago, including those of the future.
If that wasnt true then Christ would need to get back up on the cross and die for your sin each time you commit a new one." JackB 1/5
These statements are profound. Could not have said it better myself:oD)))
---Josef on 1/9/10




Brother Shawn, great answer to the topic of sin. "Dead to sin" is the point. Thank you again for the helpful information. Blessings Brother.
---MarkV. on 1/6/10


---JackB's answer to this question is very insightful.
---mima on 1/6/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, We're all sinners but those who abide in Christ(persons who have received Forgiveness), are dead to sin : Saved by God's Grace of gaining a changed 'Repenting Heart'.

The world does not Understand nor can they b/c it's foolishness unto them how receiving the Forgiveness found in being "Dead to sin", does not mean we will never again commit a sin.

Mima, Where sin abound, Grace did much more abound : Shall we continue in sin, that Grace may abound? ... God forbid. How shall we, that are 'Dead' to sin, live any longer therein. The carnal mind cannot discern 'Be ye in the world but not of the world' nor the difference between having commit a sin and no longer Living therein !!
---Shawn.M.T on 1/6/10


At times while I am eating, already full keep on eating, all the time saying Jesus "forgive" me. I do feel foolish. Don't do it much any more. The important thing to remember is this: You belong to Christ, and He knows you better than you know yourself.
---catherine on 1/5/10


JackB:

U forgot Matthew 7:20-23:

Surely then by
their :FRUITS ye shall KNOW them. 21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord,
Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but who doeth the>>> will <<my :Father who is in the heavens.

22 Many will say to me in that :day, Lord,
Lord, did we not prophesy in thy :name, and in thy :name cast out demons,
and in thy :name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess to them
[that] I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work :lawlessness.

Another part of the Father's will is to keep His commandments, this is part of the Fruits!!

WILL u learn the words of Christ or men?
---paul9594 on 1/5/10


I don't know quite what you're asking here, but presumption on God's mercy has always been considered from of old a forerunner of the sin against the Holy Spirit.
---Cluny on 1/5/10


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If Christ died ONCE for sin, that means all sin was placed on Him 2000 years ago, including those of the future.

If that wasnt true then Christ would need to get back up on the cross and die for your sin each time you commit a new one.

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. - Hebrews 9:12

If Christs blood didnt transcend the fabric of what we call time then all of us would be lost 2000 years later. The blood justified us (Romans 5:9) by paying the eternal consequence of sin. Otherwise each time we sin, we would be right back at the start again in Adam's shoes
---JackB on 1/5/10


Acts 13:38~THE forgiveness of sins was preached to a people who had not yet received it...already accomplished work

Acts 26:18~..that they may RECEIVE forgiveness of sins....already accomplished, just needs to be received by faith

Eph.1:7~In whom we have (present tense) redemption through His blood, THE forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace~~"The" is the definitive article. I can say I have a coke or I can say I have THE coke. Only one of those is referring to a specific item instead of a nonspecific item.
---Linda on 1/5/10


Finally, behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. Sin is singular, not plural. The sin of the world is unbelief, which is dealt with by beholding the Lamb. All sins (plural) come out of unbelief in some aspect, whether by being unregenerated or by double mindedness. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Let not that man think he shall RECEIVE anything. It is not that it is not already given on God's part. The double mindedness prevents receiving.
---Linda on 1/5/10


Mima, the difference between my answer and the answers of those who believe forgiveness rests upon the performance of the believer is that my answer points to the Lamb. Jesus did it, it is finished. Our part is receiving by faith. God has already forgiven every man in Christ. His wrath upon sinful humanity has been exacted upon the Lamb. He is not holding anything against any man, it is man holding something against God and worshipping the creature and all his vain imaginations more than the Creator. God has fully revealed Himself to every man through creation, conscience, and Christ.
---Linda on 1/5/10


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Linda I was very impressed with your answer to the question.

"Did you sin before or after Jesus died and rose again? That should answer your question. It isn't in the forgiving. It is in the receiving of the forgiveness that has already been accomplished. Jesus took away the sin of the world. Behold Him or all you have to look at is the performance of others or your own.
---Linda on 1/4/10 "
---mima on 1/5/10


The bible says, "IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

First you must confess your sin. And if you didn't commit it, how can you confess it?

Even those redeemed by the blood of Jesus, He shed his blood for our sins, but if we don't repent of them, the wages of unconfessed sin is death.

The word IF in that scripture is a biggie. How hard is it for a person to do what King David did and say, "Against thee only I have sinned and done what is evil in thy sight."
---Donna on 1/5/10


"They do what they want,because they know they will be forgiven" tom2 on 1/5/10
Tom 'if' there are those in Christ who actually think that way I would remind them that the principle of seed time and harvest will always be in effect.
There are consequences to every action.
I would also remind them not to be deceived for "God is not mocked: whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap." Gal 6:7
---josef on 1/5/10


dangerous thought,I believe there are some who actually think this way,They do what they want,because they know they will be forgiven.how many times has someone you love done something,and they have said,well you know you love me,or how many times has someone done something,and you told them i LOVE you no matter what you have done.Theres nothing wrong with this,but it enables people.
---tom2 on 1/5/10


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Mima, you should have said what person, saved or not saved.
All genuine Christians are forgiven. Past, present and future. They are under Grace and are chastened by God during their walk with Christ. If a person is not chastened he is not one of His children.
"If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, 'of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons."
Hebrews 12:7, 8.

---MarkV. on 1/5/10


"Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." In [Jesus the believer has] "redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace," Therefore, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from 'all' unrighteousness. I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake." [Father has] forgiven the iniquity of [His] people, [and] covered all their sin for Christ's sake.
Ref. Rom 4:7,8>Eph 1:7>1Jo 1:9>1Jo 2:12>Psa 85:2
---josef on 1/5/10


"... the performance of others or your own."

Performance?
Matthew 7:20: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Matthew 5:6-7: "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."
2 Corinthians 13:2: "I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time, and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: ..."
Galatians 4:11: "I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain."
---Nana on 1/5/10


Did you sin before or after Jesus died and rose again? That should answer your question. It isn't in the forgiving. It is in the receiving of the forgiveness that has already been accomplished. Jesus took away the sin of the world. Behold Him or all you have to look at is the performance of others or your own.
---Linda on 1/4/10


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Can a person receive forgiveness for a sin before that sin is committed?
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I don't think so,How can you ask for forgiveness for something you didn't do......It's almost like setting yourself up to do something wrong.....God knows our hearts we can't fool Him

As an example::: I think I'll go and steal something today and then come back home and ask God to forgive me,we can't play games with God He doesn't like it
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---Gabby on 1/4/10


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