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Israel To Bomb Iran

Israel is very quiet on the international scene could this possibly be a prelude to dramatic action (bombing nuclear facilities of Iran) in the near future?

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Trav, if the nation of Israel is not the nation of Israel that is in the Bible, then can you tell us who this nation is? And where is the nation of Israel you say is not that one? And how do you know it is not it? You speak alot about Israel and to this day I really don't understand your whole point. What really are you saying?

Concerning what Mark E. said about God knowing that Hitler was going to slaughter millions is very true. God knows all. He knew out of that slaughter a nation would be formed. Do you object that He knew? You answered him as if you were opposing that view.
---MarkV. on 1/19/10


God DID know that Hitler's govermment would slaughter millions of people and would ultimately cause the nation of Israel to be formed.....
---Mark_Eaton on 1/14/10

This nation, as a people you refer too does not represent Israel of scripture. They neither take/accept the new name. Rather as a people they abhor it....nor do the "GOYIM" gentiles see their righteousness.

Isaiah 62:2
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

21Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant: I have formed thee, thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
---Trav on 1/18/10


Trav, no we don't agree at all.

You believe there is one 'true' 'god', .. All the rest to you are false.
You are another perfect example of why atheism holds the moral high ground.---atheist on 1/13/10

Well, thanks for the testimony. Truly shouldn't have anything alike with you.
Sometimes you make ironic truths. I have been a little free/blunt at times. Calling GOD's enemies names. When they are given over to pathetic idols/or nothing...I dust feet. As far as morally superior?? Wow, you having absolutely NO guide-lines. I can smell you from here... woulda be a thinking. I err...but, can be cleansed forgiven/whipped. You? Just out there....drifting/spinning/drowning/awayyyyyyyyy. Adiosss Amoebassssssss
---Trav on 1/18/10


Mark E, here is some more of God. He is not only in control of Nature, but animals, nations and men. Just too much of God's Works to put down but here are some:
Nature: Nahum 1:3 Exodus 9:20, Matthew 5:45 Gen. 41:32, Amos 4:7, Acts 14:17, "who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heavn with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth and the hills in a balance? Isa. 40:12 Only God.
Animal: "are not two sparrows sold for a penny and not one of them shall fall to the ground without your Father" Matt. 10:29 God is aware of every detail, and read Daniel 6:22, Ps. 104:21, Gen. 31:9.
Nations: Dan. 4:17, Is 40:15, Daniel 2:21, Ps. 33:10, Joshua 21:44, etc.
---MarkV. on 1/14/10


I'd like to give an example of what Christians should do when someone argues with them.

My unsaved neighbor told me outright that, "God isn't going to save those aborted babies. And she told me she didn't care what I thought, He's not going to take them."

I let her say whatever she wanted just not to start an arguement with her. But Next time I will say to her, "Did God tell you that Himself?" or is that your opinion.

POINT IS: God will allow people to believe what they want. He doesn't shove the truth on them. The end result could be eternal separation from Him. If someone chooses NOT to believe the bible, what can be done? NOTHING, NOT A THING except prayer.
---Donna on 1/14/10




Mark Eaton, So your whole argument hinges on Rom.13.?? That God gives "authority" to
totalitarian dictators???
If you look closely and study real hard you'll see that the statement was made by Paul and not God!
Paul has the authority to call the shots??
Not in my "Christian" religion!
He was a Pharisee!
---1st_cliff on 1/14/10


Mark E ... I agree this discussion between you and me is spiteful and unedifying, but it is you who makes it so.

I am glad you will not continue your hateful rubbish
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/14/10


Marke: "God gave Hitler's government its authority. God did not cause Hitler's government to slaughter millions of people. God DID know that Hitler's govermment would slaughter millions of people and would ultimately cause the nation of Israel to be formed.

Was it God's intention then for millions to be killed? NO. "

WOW: If your 'god' is omnipotent and loving, couldn't 'he' have found a less roundabout and bloody way to get to the result without starting with giving 'Hitler's government its authority'. This seems to be an crude an ineffective way to get from one place to another.

Couldn't 'he' have just spoke Isreal into existence, like he did 'creation' in Genesis?
---atheist on 1/14/10


---larry on 1/14/10 You might want to prepare yourself for some terrible things that will happen to Israel. All of you that think they have some kind of Grace with God. They do not!
They are still disobedient to God and are under a curse. He will not utterly destroy them for his name sake, he will leave a remnant as he always doers. And you might prepare yourself for the judgment against the church which will come first if there is no repentance and revival. You can find out more
from youtube- All the Prophecies of Exzucuh 2003-2010
---exzucuh on 1/14/10


Alan:

This discussion is stupid and pointless. If you are a Believer in Christ, then I must continue and say that this discussion is spiteful and and does not encourage or edify either of us. As a result, this will be my last post to you on this subject.

God gives authority and establishes governments as Romans 13 points out. God does not control the government's intentions, policies, or actions.

God gave Hitler's government its authority. God did not cause Hitler's government to slaughter millions of people. God DID know that Hitler's govermment would slaughter millions of people and would ultimately cause the nation of Israel to be formed.

Was it God's intention then for millions to be killed? NO.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/14/10




To atheist's
Jude 1:15-19 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are UNGODLY among them of all their UNGODLY deeds which they have UNGODLY committed, and of all their hard speeches which UNGODLY sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts, and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own UNGODLYlusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
---exzucuh on 1/14/10


Good morning Mima,actually Israel is not quiet on the international scene. Too much Fox News and not enough Jerusalem Post?
One year ago this month Bebe Netanyahu said Israel is going to have to "deal with neutralizing Iran's leadership." He's since become prime minister and his view has not changed. Further he repeats his defense of the "promise land" at every opportunity.
We don't know when but we know the outcome so I'm not worried about the if and when.
God plus one is a majority and all attempts to destroy Israel will fail. Praise his holy name.
---larry on 1/14/10


athiest, like I said before: athiest, ONLY GOD can answer that for you, not one of us

athiest said: So it doesn't matter to you that some of those you share faith with and presumably the same one true god, put Hitler where he was? Or nuke Iran?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT athiest? I said ONLY GOD can answer this question.

athiest, it is the devil's job to get our attention off of Jesus, Our Lord and Savior and ask questions that happened many hundreds of years ago and argue about them. I don't know the answer, but GOD does, why don't you ASK GOD????????
athiest, what matters to me is YOUR salvation and where you are going to spend eternity, heaven or hell?
---Donna on 1/14/10


Earl ... You refer to the "golden rule" ... 'or does atheists borrow the golden rule?'

It is Atheist who has to say to Christians: "Not wanting to kill people is not a flaw. I think there is something in the bible about thathas to point out that"

Is Atheist closer to God than some Christians? I think he is!

There are "Christians" here who provide better arguments for atheism than Atheist himself

---alan8566_of_uk on 1/14/10


Mark E Why assume that I want to prove anything?

A question is usually asked to elicit information, not to prove anything.

Anyway, here are some more another:

Does God control Satan?

Does God hate sin?

Does God hate something He created and encourages?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/14/10


Earl,

My comment that atheism holds the moral high ground was meant in the context of comparison to religions and 'gods'. Too often people of faith use the religion and 'god' to justify their beliefs and actions from the cause of that 'higher source'.

Since I have no 'god' to provide excuses for my beliefs and actions, particularly ones that injures others, then I must take and admit responsiblity for those beliefs and actions, without the pretense of a 'god' telling me what is right or wrong. I never have 'god' to excuse me.

As far as the moral high ground for conduct no man or religion can claim that. I agree.
It is an imaginary place to which we should all aspire.
---atheist on 1/13/10


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Atheist states that "atheism holds the moral high ground".
I have held many conversations-debates with atheists, christians,nonchristians and others.My experience is that no one holds the high ground of moral conduct.If bigotry is one person's problem to you then self righteousness may be yours.
Not to defend any position but how can one class themself on moral high ground when that one has not a moral creed or standard of conduct whereby moral conduct may be lived by or an attemt to self improvement?
How can one have moral high ground when there is no standard of distinction of right or wrong from which to illuminate oneself?Or does atheists borrow the golden rule?


---earl on 1/13/10


Donna,

So it doesn't matter to you that some of those you share faith with and presumably the same one true god, put Hitler where he was? Or nuke Iran?

Astounding. Glad you can all get along!
---atheist on 1/13/10


An apostle or two experienced a rebuke from Jesus when they returned from a nearby community .They were basically run out of town and were hateful and wanting vengance and asked Jesus to bring down fire and brimstone upon those that treated the apostles so terribly.Jesus' rebuke was,"Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of".
This one statement lays to rest the idea of many written and unwritten verses of how Jesus as well as his Father will treat others who disapprove of his gospel and additionally gives illumination of his personality.Most people lean heavily on dominating others socially or religiously.There is the chosen people syndrom and the self righteous syndrom.
---earl on 1/13/10


athiest, ONLY GOD can answer that for you, not one of us....that's the issue here. Man is trying to answer for God and we don't know the answer.

The real issue at hand is: Does God have your heart because Christians are commanded to "Love the Lord thy God with ALL of thine heart, mind, and soul." The next is "Love your neighbor as yourself."

I love you with the love of Jesus athiest, but I won't argue with you because the bible tells us that satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers. The hitler issued is NOT important, it's just another thing the devil wants us to argue about and I refuse to do that, I hope the others on this board follow suit.
---Donna on 1/13/10


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Donna,

It doesn't seem that anyone here can agree on what 'god' is or wants. But you seem to feel that agreeing on nothing is more agreeable than agreeing on such important points such as whether 'god' picked Hitler to perform the holocaust so that the state of Isreal could be created. (Not to mention confidently agreeing that this nation or people or that are worshipping a false 'god' and are therefore candidates for nuclear assistence in order to expedite bible prophecy.)

Yes. I got no religion or 'god' to tell me who to distrust or go to war with. And I like it like that. Not wanting to kill people is not a flaw. I think there is something in the bible about that. Check it out.
---atheist on 1/13/10


atheist said: I don't believe in any 'god'

So that should be reason enough to STOP arguing with him. He's here only to bring contention amoungst believers in Christ Jesus.

Remember what the scriptures say: Satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so arguing doesn't change a thing and only brings forth more anger and contention.

We are to bind the strongman or cast him out. Why aren't we sticking to, believing, and doing what the scriptures say to do? The weapons of our warfare (which means we are in a war) are not carnal, but strong to the pulling down of strongholds - spend your energy doing that, okay? Ignore athiest...he just said he doesn't believe in any god. Let him go and pray for him away from this board.
---Donna on 1/13/10


Trav, no we don't agree at all.

You believe there is one 'true' 'god', just as everyone of practically any other faith believes. All the rest to you are false.

I don't believe in any 'god', and so don't have that in my armoury of reasons I can use to hate and denigrate other people, particularly people of other religions,---as you so willing do by calling Muslims, "muzzies".

Using 'god' to reinforce and support your bigotry is particularly offensive, (to many Christians on this site as well, I am sure.) You are another perfect example of why atheism holds the moral high ground...
---atheist on 1/13/10


Athiest, in fact I felt great when I read what Mark E. stated. You don't understand because you have no faith in God, no faith in His Word, in fact many who are Christian don't believe in a Sovereign God who is in control. Your faith is in how much you know. That is ok athiest, because that is who you are. I am not condemning you. Actually I am agreeing with you that Mark E, and I pretty much believe in the same God of Scripture who is in control always. I will pad him in the back if I could meet him.
---MarkV. on 1/13/10


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Alan:

I can only assume you are asking this question to prove that God does not promote punishment toward His chosen people or does not elevate evil rulers. God is in control of all rulers.

In Jer 25, God says that He will send Nebuchadnezzar (whom He calls His servant) against the people of Judah to destroy them and make them slaves for seventy years.

In Hos 9, God says that Ephraim will be gathered up by Egypt and will be buried in Memphis.

In Eze 38, God says that He will put hooks in the mouths of the rulers to being them out against Israel.

Why do you doubt that God is in control?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/13/10


Everyone prays to 'god' before they start killing the 'enemy' and die with certainty that 'god' is on their side.

How pathetic is that?
---atheist on 1/12/10

You know I agree with you atheist. If two are fighting and one is praying to their false GOD and one is praying the ONLY GOD. It obvious who is going to win.
American example. We have fulfilled scripture enough that the stupido's shouldn't mess with us.
Deut 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
To break it down: Bring an Army of Atheist's/muzzies/etc....and whaddya get. One chasing an Army.
---Trav on 1/13/10


Mark E ... May I repeat my question?

"Where does the Bible mention Hitler or the Holocaust?"
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/13/10


When the Ayatollah will get the word from Allah to attack Israel, then Israel will strike and much of the Islamic world will be destroyed.

Religious visions in the past have influenced much of the world and what we beleive of God. However, we need to be very wary of those who have these experiences.
---Lee1538 on 1/13/10


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MarkV "Mark E, great points. The failure to see things is that people see from man's perspective instead of God's. And that is the failure that is keeping many from seeing the real Truth of what God says."

I hope you don't knock each other over patting each other on the back for seeing the same real truth.

'God' and the 'real truth' has created divisions between people and people for all of time, causing them to mistrust and kill one another. Don't you think its time to give up 'god' as an excuse to exercise your personal agenda in the name of a higher power? Let go of 'god' and give peace a chance...
---atheist on 1/13/10


If you claim that Hitler was placed in a position of power, (or any political leader for that matter), or your holy scripture tells you to nuke this country or that one, or wrap explosives around you waist to die a martyr because 'god' tells you such things, you are living proof that atheism is the only sane alternative.

Everyone prays to 'god' before they start killing the 'enemy' and die with certainty that 'god' is on their side.

How pathetic is that?
---atheist on 1/12/10


Mark E, great points. The failure to see things is that people see from man's perspective instead of God's. And that is the failure that is keeping many from seeing the real Truth of what God says. Plus, if we are believers we have to believe it by faith. We might not understand it all but that is because we are human and don't have the mind of God. Just consider the power of preservation. No creature has the power to preserve itself. Both man and beast would perish if there were not herbs for food, and herbs would wither and die if the earth were not refreshed with fruitful showers, "Therefore is God called the Preserver of man and beast" Psa. 36:6 "He 'upholdeth all things by the word of His power" Heb. 1:3
---MarkV. on 1/12/10


I would have to agree with Donna. You all just want to argue and not really discuss.

God is sovereign over all the earth, history, governments, authorities, principalities, powers. Nothing is outside of His control and His authority. If you do not believe this as a Believer in Christ, then you have no security at all and no amount of Scripture will convince you.

To the atheists in our midst I say that God loves you and died to purchase you from the kingdom of darkness. There is no other truth, not in eastern religions, mystics, or any philosophy.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/12/10


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Mark Eaton, It gets curiouser and curiouser.
"God gave Hitler his authority and established his government"????
And Mussolini, and Hirohito and Pol Pot and Saddam Husein,Kaiser Willem, Attila the Hun, Ad Infinitum ad Nauseum!
The depth of your understanding is very very shallow!
So all those U.S.veterans/servicemen were/are fighting against God's established governments????
Sorry, but we fought against the "enemy"!
We take a dim view of enemy sympathisers!
---1st_cliff on 1/12/10


You know what folks? If I were the devil, I'd be laughing right now to see how you two are bickering. That's just what the devil wants us to do is bicker with other people. This is NOT the gospel.

Did Jesus ever argue with anyone? Didn't he just state the truth and if it wasn't received, he said, shake the dust off your feet and move on, right?

We are to LOVE everyone. For God so LOVED the world, that He GAVE His ONLY Begotten Son, that who-so-ever should believe upon Him, shall have everlasting life..period, no arguing about Hitler and no arguing what God did and didn't do about Hitler, that's nonsense, but it is probably making the devil proud that he can stir up such an argument as this. Very sad, sorry, but it is.
---Donna on 1/12/10


Rom 13:1 "Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God "


So Marke, its seems 'god' has given authority to leaders all over the world and they are leading their nations into war against other nations. Why doesn't he chose leaders that can get along, so all this bloodshed can be avioded? It's a rather sick sport your 'god' is engaged in...
---atheist on 1/12/10


Mark E ... where does the Bible mention Hitler or the Holocaust?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/12/10


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Alan:

Read your Bible instead of the newspaper.

Rom 13:1 "Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God "

God gave Hitler his authority and established his government. Period. Take it up with God.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/12/10


Atheist:

Lack of knowledge and understand is what the whole world has, including you.

You lack the courage to voice the inner struggle and lack of peace you have but continue to blame God for it being missing.

We were all once like you, in denial of God. We were all enemies of God, enemies of the truth, and sought to supress the truth every chance we got.

Our only difference is that we finally SURRENDERED to that nagging in our heart and minds. We gave up trying to have all the answers and sought the answer that was true. God does exist and he loves us.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/12/10


Marke,

"I do not have the mind of God, nor do I understand His ways" and referring to the Bible, "We simply lack the ability to read it properly."

With so much admitted lack of understanding and the inability to read the Bible properly, you and others here have come to some quite surprising and morally questionable actions caused by 'god', or actions that should be taken in his name and on his behalf.

How is it that Cliff and Alan, obvious believers, can take positions that are rational and humane, and others such as yourself perceive 'god' as loving only the few, and needing so much help to make the world as he wants it?

How does such a weak and vengeful 'god' give you any comfort?

---atheist on 1/12/10


Mark E If you do not have the mind of God, you should not say that He caused Hitler to torture and murder 6 million Jews, so that the state of Israel would be set up.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/12/10


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mima is right, we need to line ourselves up with God's heart and vision for Israel and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

We also need to support Messianic Jewish ministries who are supporting Israel. I've been doing that and miracles happen in my life now.

Line yourself up with God's vision for Israel. Isaiah says, Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. Sending donations to feed them is also a big help. Taking care and being a friend to a Jewish person is also a wonderful experience. Then let the evil enemies of Israel try something, God will intervene and His vengence will come forth on those nations that attack Israel - it's the only piece of real estate on earth that God invested in, amen?
---Donna on 1/12/10


Alan, 1st Cliff:

Your argument is with God, not with me.

I do not have the mind of God, nor do I understand His ways.

I gave you one Scripture that was fulfilled as a result of the holocaust. There are many other Scriptures fulfilled by the creation of the nation of Israel and the capture of the city of Jerusalem.

As far as any nation or people presuming upon the Lord God and placing His name upon their objects, I fear His wrath will be upon them. He is a jealous God and longsuffering. But His judgment is coming upon the unrighteous world.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/12/10


One sure sign of hostility toward God is hatred of Israel and the Jewish people.
---mima on 1/12/10


Mark E ... What are you querying? Is that not what you were saying? That God caused Hitler to torture and murder 6 million Jews, so that the state of Israel would be set up?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/12/10


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Mark Eaton, What utter nonsense, "Without the holocaust Israel the nation would not be possible" 6 million "expendable Jews" , men women and children,slaughtered just so Israel could be a political entity???
God is no more interested in the political state of Israel than Lebanon (There are more Christians in Lebanon than Israel).
NO political nation has God on there side!
WW2 German soldiers wore belt buckles "Gott Mit Uns" (God is with us)!
.
---1st_cliff on 1/11/10


Alan:

I do not understand what you are inferring. What ends? and what means?

If you have an better explanation for the holocaust I am all ears.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/11/10


Atheist:

Isaish wrote his book of prophecy between 739-86 BCE. In Chapters 44 and 45 he talks about the Lord annointing a man named Cyrus, who would subdue nations and have lavish treasure and wealth.

Cyrus the great of Persia was yet to be born for another 85 years.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/11/10


Mark E:"First, it is true because the Bible says so. No other prophetical source is better or more reliable."

Can you point out just one accurate and testable prophecy from the Bible?

"We simply lack the ability to read it properly." Now that is the utlimate cop out...Why didn't 'god' teach everyone to read it properly?

"Secondly, the end of the battle lines up with other prophecy (6th seal, Matt 24)."

So we are to believe that 'prophets didn't read other 'prophets' before making 'prophecy'?
---atheist on 1/11/10


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Cliff ... see what Mark E says "1st Cliff: to fulfill Is.66:8 and create the nation of Israel in ONE DAY. Without the holocaust, Israel the nation would not be possible"

So, the end always justifies the means
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/11/10


Sorry all. Been off on personal stuff.

Atheist: First, it is true because the Bible says so. No other prophetical source is better or more reliable. We simply lack the ability to read it properly. Secondly, the end of the battle lines up with other prophecy (6th seal, Matt 24).

1st Cliff: to fulfill Is.66:8 and create the nation of Israel in ONE DAY. Without the holocaust, Israel the nation would not be possible.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/11/10


Mark,

To make it clear: Since I do not believe in 'god' or any text such as the Bible that I believe is the 'word of god', I face no imperatives based on my own religiosity, interpretations, visions, or voices from above to love or hate any country, or hold any pre-conceived idea of what the future should or will be.

For this reason the idea of nuking another country because the Bible says so is as perverse as it is immoral. But you are right, I do not benefit from the enlightenment that belief in your 'god' provides, and so such things escape me.
---atheist on 1/11/10


Athiest, thank you for your view and observation. Yes, my brother has love for me, so long as I agree with him, so I do many times to keep the peace. Just as I agree you have a right to your own opinions. And, I was not picking a fight. I leave that to you. Want to know about God? there is always someone that would love to help you, not to argue with you, although some do. You know everything already. What you lack is faith in God.
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


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Mark: "You made a quote how terrible was Israel and how wrong they would be attacking Iran."

I did not. You do not speak the truth. You made up a memory on what you thought I would say and then attacked me for saying it.

Your brother must have much love for you and patience to put up with such nonsense.
---atheist on 1/10/10


Athiest, I believe I know quit a bit about you not only through your answers but from my brothers answers as well. He thinks just like you and loves to question anything any Christian has to say, whether of the Bible or the conduct of others. If it is not perfect he has out to destroy it to show you he is right. You made a quote how terrible was Israel and how wrong they would be attacking Iran, Not very Christian or godly, but in no way did you say the same about Iran. You were not thinking about Iran, it seems you were just looking to critizise the moral conduct of others. You are always looking for a fight. When I speak to my brother he does the same, no matter the topic. That's why you are on line, to pick a fight.
---MarkV. on 1/10/10


Mark,

How is it that you think you know so much about how I believe? And how come you figured me out so completely incorrectly?

FYI, I don't think any 'nation' can be called innocent or guilty. Iran has a fundamentalist religious whack job for a leader. Behind him sit other whack jobs. Within the geography of Iran are other deeply religious people who surprisingly hold values and live lives you and I both could respect. A large number of people living in Iran are also religious and young and would like Iran to become more Western and more tolerant of change.

But, some whack jobs here what to nuke them base on some bible prophesy?

Doesn't seem moral, ethical, right or what's that other word---oh---Christian.
---atheist on 1/9/10


We should ALL be concern of the state of this world. And our nation. Yes!
---catherine on 1/9/10


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Mark Eaton, Got it all figured out ? "God steps in to defend Israel"??
Why do you suppose He didn't "step in" to stop Hitler from cremating 6 million???
---1st_cliff on 1/9/10


Athiest, I will tell you why, because I would not say something that was not truth. That is why. But you don't believe in the Truth so you have those other ideas. You see Iran as an innocent nation. If they would only leave Israel along, but no, they have to go. Death to all people of Israel. That is the order of the day. Neither should hurt either one, but they will not leave Israel along. So something will happen. Even if you don't like it.
---MarkV. on 1/9/10


Atheist,

I hope that Mark doesn't get upset at my answering your question.

The Bible does say in Ezekiel 38 that Israel will be attacked. A "Great Army From The North" will attack Israel and be defeated with GOD's help.

Syria, Jordan, and Egypt attacked Israel in 1967 and were defeated in 6 days. I believe that GOD was clearly helping Israel then.

Iran's allies might include China and/or Russia. Iran has purchased military equipment from those countries. They are gearing up for a military operation.

Other Bible scholars believe that Libya and Ethiopia will help Iran attack Israel.

In any case, Israel will prevail with GOD's help. Amen!
---Sag on 1/8/10


Mark,

And exactly why do you think you've got it right?
---atheist on 1/8/10


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Israel will NOT attack Iran, but Iran will attack Israel and God will intervene.

It is all laid out nicely in Eze 38, commonly known as the Gog/Magog war. Nearly every scholar of prophesy has misplaced when this war occurs.

Iran and its allies will attack Israel and God steps in to defend Israel. Everyone knows it is God that defended them and Iran and its allies troops are destroyed on Israel soil. Then Israel buries the dead for 7 months.

Interestingly, all this plays out nicely with the 70 week of Daniel and Revelation.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/7/10


Genesis 17:19-21. GOD made his covenant with Isaac. A great nation was made for Ishmael. Since then, there has been a constant struggle between the descendants of Isaac and those of Ishmael. The struggle continues today.

GOD created everyone. Even those who "mouth off" and "threaten" Israel. Like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. GOD would love for them to REPENT, turn from their evil ways, and join the followers of Jesus Christ. However, GOD leaves that choice up to each individual.

Israel bombing Iran would be another step in the ongoing struggle between "good" and "evil". It doesn't look like Iran will REPENT any time soon and it can expect to be cursed by GOD. Genesis 12:3.
---Sag on 1/7/10


Mima, I am with Sag, and his observation. I guess Athiest now understands a little of the Bible and what God has to say about things. Of course they are not to his standards. He has already pick the other side and does not know it yet.
I too believe that things are quite now but seems that our presense there has slowed down some of the threats to Israel. Don't know how long that will be. Athiest seems to not care what Iran and the other countries want to do to Israel, but if Israel does something it is wrong. As Sag I too think something will happen very soon. I also have notice that the biggest populated country like China would be so quite too. Not a wisper from them. What do all of you think of that country?
---MarkV. on 1/7/10


Atheist,

I believe that you are referring to both my posting and notlaw99's.

"Intestinal Fortitude" means: Courage, Guts, Willingness, etc.

As for "Sterilizing the area being the best short term [50 year] solution", I don't think that Israel will have any choice about attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. And sooner rather than later.

As for your calling me a "Christian whack job", and claiming that I have a "peculiar" interpretation of the Bible, I can only say that you have the right to think that way. You sound just like Iran's President: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The Bible clearly states in Genesis 12:3 that GOD will CURSE whoever comes against Israel.

---Sag on 1/7/10


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Sag,

If you have the intestinal fortitude please explain what you mean by "Sterilizing the area is the best short term [50 year solution]".

And after doing this, would not the US be the worst terrorist in the world. Or is the US somehow "immunized" by your peculiar interpretation of the Bible from what anyone would call moral behavior?
---atheist on 1/7/10


Part 2 of 2: The threat of use can force a regime change. And if you do have to stomp Iran we get our Credibility back in the international arena. And we have sent a clear message to other rogue Nations or terrorist groups that us dont mess with the USA.

All we need is some national leadership some intestinal fortitude [which we certainly lack currently] to say No to Iran and back up the threat and use it if necessary. My only concern as a planner is reducing our losses not Irans.
---notlaw99 on 1/7/10


Part 1 OF 2: Atheist, I am very serious. I have been an ICBM launch officer, I have worked with SIOP planning and I know how to plan a massive missile attack. I chose SLBMs as you cant over shoot Russia or China. These submarines are scheduled to be retrofitted into Tomahawk launch platforms and the current missiles would be retired and the RVs recycled by DOE, any interim use of the assets counts as a future cost reduction by OMB ground rules.

We dont have sufficient military manpower to occupy Iran and even if we did you will simply loose troops to IEDs. Sterilizing the area is the best short term [50 year solution] and then you can plan for a force build up near the end of the period.
---notlaw99 on 1/7/10


Sag,

Thanks for clearing that up. It's good to know which side 'god' is on so we know who to kill.

You make me proud to be an atheist.

Keep up the good work.

We have too many Islamic whack jobs, and it appears you're trying to fill the ranks of the Christian whack jobs. Maybe if you work real hard there'll be enough whack jobs on both sides to get the end times thing really going. Blood everywhere.

Praise 'god'.
---atheist on 1/7/10


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Atheist: I'm surprised that you're against nuclear bombs, radiation, etc. Everybody knows that radiation causes genetic mutations, and such mutations are the backbone of your evolutionary religion. I would think that you would expect a few "superhumans" to come out of the rubble.
---jerry6593 on 1/7/10


If I was in charge of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), I would have launched an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities a long time ago.

I am NOT saying that I enjoy war, only that Israel needs to deal with the evil countries around it. Israel has the right to defend itself against GOD's sworn enemies.

Many folks, including Iran's president, have clearly spoken about their HATE for Israel. Actually, these descendants of Ishamel are speaking out against GOD. The Bible explains in Genesis 16:12 that these "wild men" would come against GOD. Ishmael's descendants are outwardly showing the "hurt" that comes along with being born outside of GOD's plan for the family.



---Sag on 1/6/10


Notlaw,

Are you trying to be funny?

You don't work for the US government do you?

You are trying to be funny, or facetious right?

Or are you just crazy?

I can't tell...
---atheist on 1/6/10


Israel dealt with with a nuclear threat from Iraq back in the 1980s. It was a well planned and well executed operation. Israel is not near as timid as the US is when dealing with perceived threats and preempting a problem is always better than responding.

Iran will continue to develop nuclear weapons technology and delivery systems irrespective of any international sanctions that might be imposed upon them.

I wrote an Operations Plan that take Iran out of the political equation for 50 years and effectively prevents interim exploitation by other entities. It is area denial implementation that will provide 1000 rad/hr in most of the country for more than 50 years using 72 Trident_II_D5s & 576 RVs salted with Cobalt 60.
---notlaw99 on 1/6/10


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Mima, Don't we all have enough problems without speculating on things like this? What relevance does this have to christianity anyway? I know you have told me before that you are posting questions that you encounter in "witnessing" to see what responses you might get, but, why waste so much time with things like this?
---tommy7376 on 1/6/10


Mima,

Is something wrong with you? Do you really want to have a discussion based on an unfounded rumor (started by yourself) about a war anywhere? People die in wars, if you haven't noticed.

Does this idea of Isreal bombing Iran give you some sort of thrill, or does it satisfy some strange presumption that you hold about Bible prophecy?
---atheist on 1/6/10


I hope not, mima.
---Cluny on 1/6/10


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