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Are Sabbath Keepers Judaizers

Are Seventh Day Adventists or Sabbath keepers just modern day Judaizers which the Apostle Paul describes as false prophets and false teachers?

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Lee1538,
U should be after being grafted into the renewed Covenant with House of Israel, Judah, of Jeremiah 31:31. Here, Father does not say that He makes the New Covenant with the Church

Stop adding terms/words not in the Word!!!

Act 15:21
For Moses from generations of old hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.
22 >>>THEN <<< THEN it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch

Gentiles were to learn the requirements of the covenant of Israel through a gradual process of study.
Just rip these verses out so that you can fit the doctrines of the apostasy?
---Paul9594 on 1/14/10


In case most do not know what exzucuh is speaking about - The greek word 'nomov' (nomos) is often use to refer to Torah law (John 1:17) while 'entolhn' (entole) refers more to instructions or teachings (John 10:18).

Of importance is that John always uses the word nomos when referring to the old covenant law but never uses the word entole in referring to old covenant law such as the 10 commandments. He often uses it to refer to the new covenant of love.

Of course, one needs to study Koine Greek in order to really comprehend these differences, and most of us need refer to those who have these skills.
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


Lee/ If Joshua order the circumcision before crossing the Jordan river, why hadn't the people keep the covenant and been circumcised on the 8 day!! I know that the Messiah is the word, and the word is the Truth, and the Truth will set you free. This is the light the Water (SPIRIT) teaches me and not the dispensationalism that taught in most churches today.
---Ed on 1/14/10


exzucuh //Obeying the ten commandment have nothing to do with circumcision. Circumcision is Nomos law a ritual, The Ten commandments are Moral law.

Wrong again! The 10 commandments IS the old covenant.

De 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And to be part of that covenant you must submit to physical circumcision.

Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people, he has broken my covenant.

And why did Joshua commanded circumcision prior to crossing the Jordan? Jos. 5:7
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


---Lee1538 on 1/14/10 Well I'm almost willing to think that you cannot read.
---exzucuh on 1/14/10




exzucuh -//I would be willing to think you do not have the Holy Spirit that gives you the grace to live for God and not break his commandments...

And that in part is the problem of conflict found among the various Christians sects.

"You just ain't a born again Christian if you do not speak in tongues, observe the Jewish Sabbath,...".

I would be willing to think you do not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9)-and it is that Spirit that testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, ...

The evidence of the Spirit is not compliance to Torah laws.
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


--Lee1538 on 1/14/10 The Sabbath is part of Nomos law judaism Abraham kept Entolay Law the Moral Law of God. He did not keep the Sabbath.

Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.

Abraham would have been breaking Nomos Law to plant a grove and worship God in it. Nomos Law forbid Moses and Israel from planting Groves or worshiping in them. They were to destroy all groves. So you see Abraham did not Know the Law of Judaism. He lived by faith the same as we do. he heard God and obeyed him.
---exzucuh on 1/14/10


Paul in Galatians 4 refers to Judaizers as the slave children of Hagar (of the flesh) representing the Mt. Sinai covenant where the 10 commandments and the law was given.

He states the children of the promise given to Abraham are declared righteousness not through the law but by faith.

But what does the Scripture say? 'Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.'

But we see those 'who [were] born according to the flesh persecuted [those] who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is [today]."

But we must stand fast "For freedom Christ has set us free, stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery".
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


exzucuh //You cannot break the ten commandments and remain a Christian without repentance.

If you break any of God's laws applicable to the Christian, you would have a conviction of sin from the indwelling Holy Spirit - something we as Christians are very much aware of.

However, the breaking of the OT Sabbath is listed nowhere in the New Covenant as a sin. See the various listings of sin in Mark 7,21f, Romans 1:29f, Gal. 5:19f, and 2 Tim. 3:1f.

We also can be assured breaking the Sabbath is not a sin as the observance is not commanded anything in the NT nor was it taught in the early church.

Furthermore if we sin and do not repent, then most certainly we will be chastisen by our heavenly Father. Hebr. 12:6
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


---Lee1538 on 1/14/10 Obeying the ten commandment have nothing to do with circumcision. Circumcision is Nomos law a ritual, The Ten commandments are Moral law

You cannot break the ten commandments and remain a Christian without repentance. And if you break them all the time I would be willing to think you do not have the Holy Spirit that gives you the grace to live for God and not break his commandments. WE as Christians are supposed to walk in the Spirit that keeps us from lust of the flesh which causes us to break God commandments.
---exzucuh on 1/14/10




Samuel - If you teach the 10 commandments as mandatory law rather than as principles, then are you not obligated to obey all the Torah law - commands of the Lord?

Must you then go down and have your male children circumcised on the 8th day in accordance to the commandment?

Lev. 12:11-3 The LORD spoke to Moses, saying,If a woman conceives and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days. ...and on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

The principle behind the Jewish Sababth is that man should rest one day in seven, however, the Sabbath essentially depicted the rest we have in Christ. Hebrews 4
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


---Samuel on 1/14/10 You are right. these people who do not know the difference in the Commandments of God and Judaism are in deep error.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, <--(What they did not keep was Entoley moral Law)

ye hold the tradition of men,<-- (What they kept was nomos traditional Judaism law. THis was what was done away. Not Moral Law)

as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
---exzucuh on 1/14/10


Samuel //We simply teach the church should obey all ten.

And there is really nothing wrong with that since under the New Covenant of the church we read in Romans 14:5 one may esteem one day or none at all.

"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind".

And I am convinced in my mind there is nothing in the New Testament that mandates the observance of the Sabbath, nor was it taught by the early church.

I do not regard Sunday as a replacement for the Jewish Sabbath. It is simply the day we gather for communal worship and rest in accordance with the tradition established by the early church.
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


Whenever you add works such as obedience to commandments to grace, you effectively have fallen from grace and promote another gospel as did the Judaizers. lee1538

I totally agree with this statment.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

The Ten Commandments define what is sin. YOu have at least 90% agreement with this. A Follower of JESUS CHRIST is not supposed to live in sin for living in sin places them under law and condemnation. The law defines sin. Romans 6 and 7

We simply teach that the church should obey all ten.
---Samuel on 1/14/10


Yes do not hide your eyes from our Lord's conmmand to observe one day in 7 as a day of rest, simply rest on the Lord's day, Sunday, in accordance to that tradition established by the Apostles & their immediate successors. Lee1538

I have not read any of the Apostles good jews that they were saying to observe sunday. I do not read of any of them calling Sunday the sabbath.

In the early church fathers of the first and second century which ones said to keep sunday? Also this is from Memory did not one the early ecumenical councils speak of those who attended church services on Sabbath?
---Samuel on 1/14/10


No, Sabbath keepers are not "Judaizers". They are simply obeying GOD's Commandments. You mean, you really don't think that GOD has certain expectations for His people... certain things that they're to obey? Isn't GOD also our FATHER. Do not fathers have things they want their children to obey??? Come on, Church, it really is past time to wake up! Obeying the Sabbath is not hard or difficult. It's certainly an inconvenience on our cherished "week-ends". But, other than that. Do you really love GOD? Do you really want to please Him? YAHUSHUA (JESUS) said that if you loved Him, you would obey Him. This applies to His 10 Laws of Love as well as with everything thing else He expects from us.
---Gordon on 1/14/10


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Judaizers refers to those who claim the necessity of obedience to the Torah Laws by Christians, which is normally considered a requisite only for the followers of Judaism. To better understand why parts of the New Testament were written, one needs to know to whom and why Paul was writing the Epistles. Without that basic knowledge, one is hopelessly coming up with bad doctrine.

Mod comment in another blog
---Jimbo on 1/14/10


steveng//Don't hide your eyes from my Sabbaths, says the Lord.

Yes do not hide your eyes from our Lord's conmmand to observe one day in 7 as a day of rest, simply rest on the Lord's day, Sunday, in accordance to that tradition established by the Apostles & their immediate successors.
---Lee1538 on 1/14/10


I don't go to church on the sabbath I am not
Under Judaism or that priesthood. That priesthood is done away and we have a new Melchizedek priesthood with Jesus as our high priest and we are all priests under him. We worship on a new Day the eighth Day the day of circumcision the day of the lord, resurrection day.

Hebrews 4:8-9 For if Jesus(Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of -->ANOTHER DAY<--. There remaineth therefore a -->REST<-- to the people of God.

Joshua did not lead his people to a sabbath rest But there was a promise of another day for rest.
---exzucuh on 1/13/10


Paul who was Saul before he meet Jesus was a Saturday christian.I believe he followed the teachings of the diciples after he meet Jesus.
---volvin on 1/13/10


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Jimbo: I still can't find the word "judaizer" in my Bible. Where did you say it's found? Maybe you were reading the "Book of Lee" instead.
---jerry6593 on 1/14/10


For those of you who don't observe the sabbath (on Saturday), and even mock it, consider this...

Saturday is the only day of the week that you can call your own. It's not your fault, blame it on society if you dare. You work hard Monday through Friday and expect Saturday to be a day of doing things for yourself - shopping, meeting friends and family, enjoying entertainment, computers, ipods, TV, working around the house, etc, etc, etc. Your heart went after your personal idols, polluting the Sabbath with your selfish desires and vain excuses of why you shouldn't obey the least of the commandments.

Don't hide your eyes from my Sabbaths, says the Lord.
---Steveng on 1/13/10


And it will come to pass when all of the earth shall worship me and keep my commandments and my sabbaths. Isaiah 66:23 Ezekiel 44:24

When the apostles say "keep the commandments," the fourth commandment is the least of the commandments. The two commandments Jesus spoke of is a summary of the commandments of God, all ten of them. And you can catagorize all 613 laws given to the Israelites in one or more of the ten commandments.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---Steveng on 1/13/10


Excuse me lee if I did misread your response, it appeared to me that you were advocating law obedience that SDA's promote. My sincerest apologies.
---tommy3007 on 1/13/10


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tim -//let ask you one question ,on what day of the week did Paul go to the synagogue?

And may we ask why Paul went to the synagogues? If you answered that he went there to preach the Gospel message about Christ, you got the right answer.

Many Adventists do not realize it, but the Jews congregated in the synagogues on the Sabbath while during the week they were scattered all around at their work places. What better opportunity to present the gospel than when you have a congregated audience?

God bless, we would like to hear more from you . All too often you hear in Adventists churches that others simply do not know either the Lord or the Bible which is a blatant lie.
---lee1538 on 1/13/10


Samuel - Romans 3:31 Do we make void (overthrow) the law thru faith? God forbid (by no means), yea (on the contrary), we establish (uphold, give a firmer footing to) the law

Paul shows in Romans the Gentiles can come within the promised blessing of righteousness by faith given to Abraham by completely bypassing the Sinaitic Covenant and its laws. He does this w/o nullifying the law, rather he teaches one has been released from the law as a guide for Christian service, because the law no longer applies to one who died with Christ (7:4-6).

The law is holy, righteous & good (7:12), it served its purpose in showing the impossibility of keeping the law, the need to move from the old covenant into a covenant of faith with God.
---lee1538 on 1/13/10


Samuel - Many Adventists will tell you that you must obey the 10 commandments for your salvation and that to walk by faith alone is not sufficient. Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:11 states the righteous will live by faith.

And our salvation is by grace thru faith. Eph. 2:8-10 tells us that and that works of righteousness are the results of a faith that is alive.

Whenever you add works such as obedience to commandments to grace, you effectively have fallen from grace and promote another gospel as did the Judaizers.

Hope you understand my point on this.
---lee1538 on 1/13/10


Samuel thanks for your comment. Yes, please read what the Mod stated which is a historic fact.
---Jimbo on 1/13/10


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Dear Jimbo and Lee When you make these accusations and cast aspersions on those Christians who disagree with you are you not judging the salvation of another?

Judiazers felt they could be saved by their laws or works righteousness. Since the SDA church does not teach this that is a false charge.

Antinomianism teaches the Ten Commandments are done away with and Christians under grace cannot commit a sin. I know that you do not mean this but that is what your words are teaching.

Paul spoke of the law in 96 verses. One example is this>Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

This is opposite of what you say.
---Samuel on 1/13/10


Samuel -//The big fight in the early church was should gentiles be circumcised. But we read of no fight about which day was sabbath. Why?

The BIG FIGHT in the early church was over whether Gentile converts had to conform to the laws and customs of Judaism. Circumcision was simply the rite of entrance into the Jewish religion.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, AND AND AND to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And once one became circumcised, that person was obligated to observe all the Torah laws including observing the Sabbath -something ONLY the Jewish nation ever observed.
---Lee1538 on 1/13/10


I see everyone using the term Law for the commandments of GOD. This is not wrong but you must understand that the law referred to in the New Testament is Rabbinical law most of the time. Rabbinical law is the Torah, religious custom's, and rabbi laws, and the Messiah hated it. In the Torah it states you shall do no work on the Sabbath, but the Rabbinical law says that if you even touch a shovel handle on the Sabbath you have sinned. Also any work of GOD (the Father) is not a sin to do on this day, for it was set aside for all HOLY things of GOD.
---Ed on 1/13/10


let ask you one question ,on what day of the week did Paul go to the snyogog ?
---tim on 1/13/10


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tommy3007//So, Lee, you're saying that YOU and ALL SDA keep all 10 commandments "perfectly"?

You apparently misread my post of 1/11/10 in reply to rip.

I totally agree with you on what you posted. Yes, no one can keep the law perfectly and will be found guilty if they break any of the Torah laws. James 2:20

those who rely on the law have placed themselves under a curse (Gal. 3:10).

And such is the case with those that preach law obedience, especially observance to the Torah Sabbath law.

The false teachers have done their job and have have propagated their beliefs to those who will not believe the gospel message.
---Lee1538 on 1/13/10


The early Gentile converts were under no obligation to observe any of the Jewish laws as they were under grace. The Apostle Paul settled this issue at the Jerusalem Council in around 50 AD. The gentiles were not under the Jewish laws as the Judaizers wished. Paul called the Judaizers false teachers.

Moderator comments from another blog.
---Jimbo on 1/13/10


Gen 2:1-3
Notice that God established the Sabbath day at creation. He established the Sabbath day before sin entered the world. He also blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it - or set it aside for a holy purpose. Marriage is the only other institution recorded in the Bible that God established before man's fall into sin.

Did Jesus' followers keep the Saturday Sabbath? Luke 23:50-24:3
Jesus was crucified on Friday, the preparation day, He rested in the tomb on Sabbath, and He arose on Sunday, the first day of the week. Notice that the women wouldn't even break the Sabbath in order to anoint Jesus' body! Instead, they rested in obedience to the commandment
---Sharon on 1/13/10


steveng - //The law of Christ are the two commandments spoken of by Jesus - overall, to love.

Galatians 6:22 Bear ye one anothers burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Cor. 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

TRUE, the love of one neighbor fulfills the law. Romans 13:9-10

Some, however, say that while one must love ones neighbor, one must also love God. However, love for God is expressed by love of neighbor. (if you have done it unto the least of mine, you have done it unto me)

But in believing that, they advocate OT laws that have virtually nothing to do with ones neighbor.
---Lee1538 on 1/13/10


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lee1538 said, "rip//Adventists are commandment keepers..all of it..not 9 as some of you do..they follow God's commands and not man's.."

So, Lee, you're saying that YOU and ALL SDA keep all 10 commandments "perfectly"? The Bible clearly says that if a person keeps all the law, but, sins in one point, they are guilty of the whole law. If you bind yourself under the law according to Hebrews, you have no HOPE in Jesus Christ. When you commit sin under the law, you will need another saviour, and there is none to be found since Scripture says that Jesus Christ was "crucified once for all."
---tommy3007 on 1/13/10


Jimbo: I can't seem to find the word "Judaizer" in my Bible. If Paul describes them as you assert, then surely it must be there. I do recall others in history that used the term: The murderous Catholic inquisitors for example, and of course the warm and loving Adolf Hitler.

And why single out Seventh Day Adventists for your attacks, why not hate those other arch-Judaizers - Jesus and His disciples - as well?
---jerry6593 on 1/13/10


steveng - What Galatians 3 speaks of the law as our guardian or schoolmaster only UNTIL we could be justified by faith in Christ. see (3:25)..."

After the law has done what it was designed to do, the Christian is no longer under the law as he or she has become a new creation in Christ.

(3:25-26) But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

If you continue to rely on works of the law, you are still under a curse! And why would you want to do that?

Ga 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.
---Lee1538 on 1/12/10


Lee1538: "steveng //Now, it's up to you to biblically prove what I wrote is wrong.

1. Galatians 3 speaks of the law as our guardian or schoolmaster only UNTIL we could be justified by faith in Christ. see (3:25)..."

You didn't prove that I was wrong with all your verses.

The law of Christ are the two commandments spoken of by Jesus - overall, to love.

Love is what will get a person into heaven.
---Steveng on 1/12/10


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Steving, When Cain killed Able,what "established" law did he break???
---1st_cliff on 1/12/10


djconklin -//And yet for the first 500 years of the Christian church most Christians kept the Sabbath.

What is your source on your belief the most Christians kept the OT sabbath during the first 500 years?

Histories of Adventists and others write the Sabbath was not observed by the Gentile church by the end of the first century.

SDA scholar Bacchiocchi attempted to explain why that was in his book From Sabbath to Sunday.

One reason the early church survived the persecution during the Jewish rebellions was that it was not viewed as another sect of Judaism.

And then there was the continued antagonism that existed between Gentiles & Jews, all the early church writers confirm that.
---Lee1538 on 1/12/10


//Implausable? I find yours not only vapid, but vacuous as well.

You certianly attest to a statement made by my brother who was married a SDA, to the effect he had yet to find any SDA man that was really worth anything.

However, I should not leave you without some good advice.

Php.4:5-6 The Lord is at hand, do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

So since you have such great problems and are defeated at every turn, make your prayers be known to Jesus. Who knows if you place your hand into His, He may even open your eyes and led you to a church that preaches the gospel.




---Lee1538 on 1/12/10


Lee: "Your ignorance of both the Scripture and church history is truly implausible."

Implausable? I find yours not only vapid, but vacuous as well.
---jerry6593 on 1/12/10


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steveng //Now, it's up to you to biblically prove what I wrote is wrong.

1. Galatians 3 speaks of the law as our guardian or schoolmaster only UNTIL we could be justified by faith in Christ. see (3:25)

2. The function of the law is to reveal sin. Once that is accomplished, the believer is placed in Christ, the righteous walk by faith. Romans 1:17

3. Christians are under the law of Christ. Gal. 6:2, 1 Cor. 9:21. simply that we are to bear one another's burdens.

4. The law has its summary as expressed in Romans 13:9 and that love of neighbor fulfilles the law.

Howbeit, if you lack the indwelling of His Spirit, then you need to the law, howbeit, the law is not to be your savior as Jesus is the Savior. Romans 8:3
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


steveng//The fourth commandment said Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. What do you suppose "remember" means?

My training has been to read anything particularly in the Bible in its context.

The 'remember the Sabbath thing' is directed to the nation of Israel under the covenant given only to them.

Exodus 20:2,8 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.... Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Never was in Egypt nor were any of my ancestors.

Of course, Adventists will quote that verse to those who are naive and trick those who simply lack discernment and do not know the Bible.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


steveng //Murder was already a sin against God because Cain killed Able and that was a sin. Murder is a sin even today.

True, but you will NOT NOT find anything in the New Covenant of His church that states Sabbath breaking is a sin.

View if you wish, the listing of sins in Mark 7,21f,Romans 1:29f,Galatians 5:19f, 2 Timothy 3:1f. It just ain't there guy!

But like I stated before, if you lack in indwelling of His Spirit, then clearly you need the law. But the law is not not your savior, Jesus is.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


The law is Holy. The law is Righteous. The law is Truth. The law is Just. The law is Pure. The law is Spiritual. The law is Perfect. The law is liberty. The law is Good. The law is Love. The law is Eternal.

Now, it's up to you to biblically prove what I wrote is wrong.

The laws were even before Moses, before he received the ten commandmenats on tablets. Murder was already a sin against God because Cain killed Able and that was a sin. Murder is a sin even today.

The fourth commandment said Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. What do you suppose "remember" means?

Oh, yea, the laws came from heaven and heaven existed before the universe.
---Steveng on 1/11/10


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Lee1538: "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

The covenant is like a mortgage - the laws are the same, but the terms are different. The ten commandments was, is, and ever shall be. What laws do you suppose Adam and Eve obeyed? (besides not eating from the tree of knowledge). When Jesus spoke of the two commandments, He was not giving a new law to replace the old, He was just quoting an Old Testament scripture, Deuteronomy 6:5-8.


Lee1538: "Your view of the Sabbath is from an obsolete covenant."

It's not my view, it's in the bible if you only read it once in a while.
---Steveng on 1/11/10


steveng//The commandments of God doesn't have a beginning nor does it have an end.

What you apparently fail to understand is God deals with His creation in terms of covenants. The covenant He made with Moses on Mt. Sinai became obsolete when Christ went to the Cross. Read Hebrews 8:13

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

Your view of the Sabbath is from an obsolete covenant.

What some Adventists are really trying to do is like the Judaizers Paul had to content with in Galatians, namely to force believers from grace and back under the old Torah law. But such was and is the teachings of the Hagarites.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


Members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church also are taught that those who truly love the Lord are liars because they do not observe the Jewish Sabbath.

To them one must add to God's grace for our salvation and walk. But apparently they do not understand things of the Spirit as the god of this world has blinded them. 2 Cor. 4:4

they fail miserably to point to a single scripture that even implies our salvation is conditional on obedience to the old Torah law, rather than on our Savior Jesus Christ alone.

But let us continue in the effort to "destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,..." 2 Cor. 10:5

---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


Members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church are being taught that they can justify themselves before Almighty God by being law keepers. Never mine that Jesus is the end of the law for all believers. Never mind that Scripture says no one will be justified by the keeping of the law. While I appreciate their fervor and sincerity, fervor and sincerity do not make one righteous.
---mima on 1/11/10


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They are guilty of living by a Judaic system of belief but So did the the church at Jerusalem. God will not judge them for keeping the Sabbath. He will judge them if they replace it with the commandments of Jesus to obey the gospel. The Gospel that was preached was to accept Jesus as Gods Son and Repent of all former sins and religious ideas to follow the new way that Jesus had provided. His way was to forsake Judaism and Be baptized in the name that is above all names in heaven and earth for the remission of your sins and receive the Holy Spirit so you can live for Jesus. The new way is under Grace and grace is super abounding divine intervention in your life with witness of change.
---exzucuh on 1/11/10


Jerry //The Bible also says that Sabbath - NOT Sunday - is the Lord's Day (Mat 12:8). You know the truth, so why do you continue to lie?

NOT a lie at all! The Lord's day is and has always been viewed by His church as Sunday - the day of resurrection.

"For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day" simply means that He was not bounded by its obligations.

Sorry but the Sabbath merely depicted our rest in Christ and those who believe do enter into that rest. Hebrews 4 explains that.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


rip//Adventists are commandment keepers..all of it..not 9 as some of you do..they follow God's commands and not man's..

But they wish to follow the Old Covenant commandments - the ministry of death & condemnation craved on stone, not the ministry of His Spirit.2 Cor. 3:7,9.

Those that follow Christ believe the commandments we are to follow are to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ whom God has sent, and to love ones neighbor. 1 John 3:23

This makes sense if you view Romans 13:9 that love of neighbor fulfills the law - do that and there you will lack NOTHING.

Adventists disallow the decisions of the Jerusalem council (Acts 15) and continue to believe we must follow the laws of Moses to be Christians.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


//And for the record, Bacchiocchi was a lying, Vatican trained, Jesuit plant sent to disrupt Adventism. No wonder you love him so!

Yes, there is much division among Adventists themselves. There is no problem seeing that even some are Christians while others are stuck in legalism.

And who was Bacchiocchi? He was a foremost scholar, theologian and church historian at Andrews University - the main center of learning for Advenists ministers. He was well honored and even survived the purges of the 1980's.

Sorry Jerry, but not everyone who disagrees with you is a Jesuit plant. Your ignorance of both the Scripture and church history is truly implausible. No longer you are such a loser.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


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Adventists are commandment keepers..all of it..not 9 as some of you do..they follow God's commands and not man's..the truth hurts that is why some verbally abuse them amen..they are the obedient followers of Christ and the true Sabbath..In the begining was the Word/Jesus ,,break one of them laws, you trample on our Lord amen..and you miss out altogether
---rip on 1/11/10


Lee: No they didn't! The Bible says that Jews and Gentiles worshipped on the Sabbath day (Acts 18:4). [One Saturday night meeting followed by a long trip on Sunday morning (Acts 20) does not constitute "communal worship" on Sunday.] The Bible also says that Sabbath - NOT Sunday - is the Lord's Day (Mat 12:8). You know the truth, so why do you continue to lie?

And for the record, Bacchiocchi was a lying, Vatican trained, Jesuit plant sent to disrupt Adventism. No wonder you love him so!
---jerry6593 on 1/11/10


Lee1538: "Steveng//The nation of Israel didn't exist until centuries latter. The Sabbath was established on the seventh day of creation, Israel was not in existance then."

The commandments of God doesn't have a beginning nor does it have an end. They are everlasting. In the beginning, the commandments were put in the heart of man. You don't think Adam and Eve had free reign, do you? But as time went on, man's heart grew cold and forgot what God had established. God had his commandments written down so man can see and obey them.
---Steveng on 1/10/10


Lee1538: "...there was NO COMMAND to observe the Sabbath until the time of Moses, nor is there anything that even hints of a command for Christians to observe it in the New Testament."

Jesus and the apostles set the example. If it were not so, Jesus would have said so, only because he is who he is. And as I said before, God would not establish something, take it away and then re-establish the Sabbath for man to obey suring the millinium and beyong, do you?

Be like a good berean and do your research using only the bible - not by historians and people who write books each having their own interpretations.
---Steveng on 1/10/10


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This statement,
"I believe Galatians 4 pretty much sums it up in "when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,To REDEEM them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons". Made by---Lee1538 on 1/10/10 could not possibly be plainer. All those who insist on keeping the law refus to accept what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for them. He has freed them from the law if they refuse to go free or to be free and are therefore in bondage. And because of their bondage of law keeping they cannot become sons. Now that's very very sad.
---mima on 1/10/10


steveng, jerry //Jesus and the apostles set an example for us to follow and they did observe the Sabbath.

Jesus being Jewish did follow the Mosaic law, howbeit, such was not mandated to Gentile converts who needed not become circumcised or follow Mosaic law - the decision of the Jerusalem council Acts 15.

I believe Galatians 4 pretty much sums it up in "when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,To REDEEM them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons".

Also the fact the law (schoolmaster) was but a temporary measure until we could be justified by faith in Christ.(3:24f)

So if Christ is your example, then become Jews.
---Lee1538 on 1/10/10


Jerry, steveng//"They (Apostles & successors) did, howbeit, establish that tradition of communal worship on the Lord's day - Sunday." No they didn't!

But they did!

According to church historians, Sabbath observance was not practiced by Gentile churches by the end of the first century. And these were churches that were established by the Apostles and their immediate successors.

As SDAs you really should read Dr.Samuele Bacchiocchi book 'From Sabbath to Sunday' as his research reveals what I have been posting - that the Sabbath was no longer observed outside of Palestine by the end of the first century. He maintains that the early church in order to survive had to become a separate entity from its Jewish roots.
---Lee1538 on 1/10/10


Steveng//The nation of Israel didn't exist until centuries latter. The Sabbath was established on the seventh day of creation, Israel was not in existance then.

True, but there was NO COMMAND to observe the Sabbath until the time of Moses, nor is there anything that even hints of a command for Christians to observe it in the New Testament.

If the Sabbath was imposed on Gentile converts we would certainly see it in the writings of the early church but all we see is much animosity between Jews & Gentiles and a separation of the church from its Jewish roots.

You truly should study early church history as all too many of your beliefs are based upon faulty interpretations of the Bible.
---Lee1538 on 1/10/10


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Lee1538: "The Sabbath commandment served as a sign of the covenant God made with Israel alone,..."

The nation of Israel didn't exist until centuries latter. The Sabbath was established on the seventh day of creation, Israel was not in existance then.

"...it was not mandated to Gentiles to observe,..."

Jesus and the apostles set an example for us to follow and they did observe the Sabbath. If it were not so, they would have repremended the christians at that time. Again, why would God establish the Sabbath, take it away, and then re-establish it during the millinium and beyond?
---Steveng on 1/9/10


Lee: "They did, howbeit, establish that tradition of communal worship on the Lord's day - Sunday."

No they didn't! The Bible says that Jews and Gentiles worshipped on the Sabbath day (Acts 18:4). [One Saturday night meeting followed by a long trip on Sunday morning (Acts 20) does not constitute "communal worship" on Sunday.] The Bible also says that Sabbath - NOT Sunday - is the Lord's Day (Mat 12:8). You know the truth, so why do you continue to lie?
---jerry6593 on 1/9/10


Samuel //The Sabbath is not based on a tradition as Lee seems to think.

Never stated the Sabbath was based on tradition, only that the Apostles and their immediate successors did not teach Sabbath keeping to Gentile converts. They did, howbeit, establish that tradition of communal worship on the Lord's day - Sunday.

The Sabbath commandment served as a sign of the covenant God made with Israel alone, it was not mandated to Gentiles to observe, the Jerusalem council and Scripture attests to the fact that Christians need no observe any day as holy (read Romans 14:5f).

The principle that man need rest one day out of 7 was maintained by the church since its conception. We see that in the various confessions of the church.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


It is based on the Ten Commandment law and Genesis. Samuel

Samuel, on the 7 day God rested form all His works? Were those works based on the 10 commandments? NO! They were based on CREATION!

God looked at all He had dome the prior 6 days, and said IT IS FINISHED! I rest, a Judicial term, I REST MY CASE!!! God certainly wasn't TIRED, or did God have to WORSHIP Himself on that day.

Jesus FINISHED work on the Cross parallels the same, the NEW CREATION, not the Old. Jesus said at Calvary IT'S FINISHED! And through His death and resurection life WE enter the NEW Creation IN CHRIST, It's Finished again:I rest my case!

Entering the Land Promised WAS entering His REST. Christ is OUR LAND! Have you entered that rest?
---kathr4453 on 1/8/10


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The Sabbath is stated as a type of that rest we enter into when we are in Christ JESUS. Hebrews 4.

The Sabbath is not based on a tradition as Lee seems to think. It is based on the Ten Commandment law and Genesis. Down through the centuries Protestants and Orthodox alike have argued for the keeping of one day to be a moral imperative. Why because GOD made it one by placing it in the Ten Commandments. True not all placed the sabbath on being seventh day. But that is not a reason to continue to ignore one of the Ten basic moral principals of GOD's law to mankind. Yes the Sabbath was made by GOD for man. Because we need it. Also notice JESUS did not say it was made for Jews but for mankind.
---Samuel on 1/8/10


The sabbath day is not the Savior: the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
---Eloy on 1/8/10


And he said to them, The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

The phrase 'made for man' would imply the Sabbath is not a moral law since it was 'made', and moral law is not made.

In Mk. 2.27 Jesus is basically saying the Sabbath was made for the benefit of man, however the legalists has made it into a troublesome burden.

What is essential in the command is the principle man should rest one day out of seven from his labors.

While Jews observed the OT Sabbath, Christians by that tradition established by the Apostles & their immediate successor, observe Sunday as a day of rest or as a day of communal worship.

The Bible does not mandate the observance of any day. Romans 14:5-6
---Lee1538 on 1/7/10


The Sabbath was made for man and was established centuries before Moses and Abraham and before the Israelites became a nation. Why would God institute it, take it away, and then reinstitute it at the new heaven and the new earth?

Christians today need the Sabbath more than any other time in history. Christians spend every minute of every day with their computers, ipods, cell phones, spending time with family and friends, working and going to school, being entertained and going to church, reading the bible and going to bible study, etc, etc, etc. that they don't have a few minutes to personally spend time with God. They build their knowledge about God, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 1/7/10


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Mandy, you are correct .

The book of Job never mentions sabbath keeping. Abel/Enoch never kept a sabbath.

HOWEVER they sacrificed. THIS was the ONLY Law and that, a Law of Faith, faith in Genesis 3:15, that God would send a redeemer to redeem mankind from SIN. Keeping a sabbath rest, whether Saturday or Sunday is not NT Truth. Silly we argue about a day, when even Sunday is not a sabbath requirement.

We ENTER into God's rest,not keep it. When we ENTER into His REST we enter into the Everlasting Covenant promise of Eternal life through Jesus Christ(Heb 10..WE ENTER a NEW and LIVING WAY, through the veil, that is to say His Flesh. We REST in Him! It's finished. Christ's finished work on the cross.
---kathr4453 on 1/7/10


djconklin // One should also note that the Sabbath was made BEFORE sin entered into the world.

One should also note that the Sabbath was unheard of prior to the time of Moses. There is no record that any of the ancients observed it nor is there any command in the NT to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

Nor is breaking the Sabbath listed as a sin in the New Covenant.

The Sabbath was given as a sign of the Old Mosaic Covenant (Ex. 31:17) which became obsolete after Christ died on the Cross - Hebrews 8:13.

And we should also note that neither the Apostles nor their immediate successors taught sabbath keeping to the Gentile church - that is one fact that Sabbaterians cannot deny.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


I didn't know that Sabbath keeping was a requirement for the Gentiles for salvation prior to Moses? What is the scripture for that? I thought Sabbath keeping was a requirement from God through Moses to the Jews to set them apart from the pagan world that they lived in. I am a new Christian and am still learning, but I can't find that in my Bible.
---Mandy on 1/6/10


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