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Exzucah. How do you go about getting healed? Can you give me some insight on this?
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/19/10


"Where is your "Christian" MERCY for those who are YOUR servants?"
obewan
I don't have any servants.
Your speech betrays you. You don't care about the suffering brought to others as long as you have government run health care that supports abortions will be paid with this coming plan. That's OK to you.
My wife gets paid $1100.00 a month, her meds cost over $1700.00 a month. Co-pays and deductables are more. Our house is falling apart we drive a 87 Toyota the government has never taken care of us.
From 1776 to the 1940s citizens took care of themselves and family. Now you want something you think is going to be free.
You trust the Government I'll still trust the Lord.
---Elder on 1/20/10


---obewan on 1/19/10 I have been gravely ill and had many other things wrong with me And God healed of them all. I have no doctor and do not go to the doctor. I have never taken drugs and have had antibiotics only about 5 times my whole life. I do not have a problem with people who use doctors or take medicine. but people who think Doctors can cure them and medicine can make them well are deceived. Only God can heal, Drugs only mask pain and sickness and let you die without pain. medicine can only help the natural healing process but when your body will not heal itself you need divine healing. You soon find that medicine is useless against the future diseases, you better do it God's way.
---exzucuh on 1/19/10


I thought God was supposed to provide health care.
---exzucuh on 1/19/10

That is a nice platitude. Tell you what. Next time you are gravely ill just feel free to blow off your doctor and any other professional medical help.

There are actually cults who live by that doctrine. When their children get sick the parents deny their medical care and just pray for healing. One little girl was a diabetic who was refused her insulin. She died a horrible death and her parents were prosecuted and nearly or did go to prison.

But, I get your point. SOME people are blessed.
---obewan on 1/19/10


I thought God was supposed to provide health care.
---exzucuh on 1/19/10




What makes you think the government is supossed to provide...
---Elder

I never said I wanted a "free" socialized plan right now.

I keep saying I want fairness. A healthy person shouldn't be denied insurance for taking depression or asthma pills 2 or 3 times (at a stretch) in 10 years

The government has a responsibility to bring justice and prevent "gouging" practices.

And a servant's job is not beneath me. I have done it before. The budget is beneath my needs. The income would be less than $1200 a month BEFORE taxes. My expenses are $1700 a month BEFORE the $600 a month insurance policy I have been denied.

Where is your "Christian" MERCY for those who are YOUR servants?
---obewan on 1/19/10


Obewan, I see your dance but don't hear the music. There are a lot of holes in your statements.
Is a "servant job" below you? (There goes all of the ministry positions.)
You think a socialist health plan is going to help you live and heal. Better check your birth date. Some people buy what they really want and then beg for the rest. Since when did the government become anyones parent? What makes you think the government is supossed to provide your needs?
When someone says one thing and does another that makes them a fraud or liar. Does that sound like a health plan to you? You, like others, will find out too late.
Hitler provided for people also, didn't he?
---Elder on 1/19/10


Judgment Begins in the House of the Lord and Obama is Gods judgment against a sinful and stiff necked church. Just like Nebuchadnezzar was Gods judgment against Israel.

Jeremiah 27:6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, -->my servant<--, and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.

When the church acts like the world they will have to serve the world.
---exzucuh on 1/19/10


DOCUMENTS SEALED FROM THE PUBLIC BY OBAMA. DO YOU THINK MAYBE HE IS A FRAUD. JUST MAYBE???
.....

kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/19/10


Obewan, do you not think God is aware of your circumstance? A little faith might be in order, and I don't mean faith in Obama or the federal government.

It's looking more and more like the tide may be turning away from the liberal takeover of the country. And even if the democrat legislation squeaks through it will be challenged in court and found unconstitutional. Then in the name of justice, every member of congress who voted for the bill as well as the president should be charged with violating their oath of office because they all know what they are doing is unconstitutional.

In the meantime obewan, buy yourself a good juicer and read up on the cause and effect that diet has in preventing and sometimes even curing cancer.
---ralph7477 on 1/19/10




obewan.... Hummmm..... On 18 Jan you stated you had insurance now on the 19th you don't.....
---Elder on 1/19/10
Actually, I never said on the 18th that I had insurance NOW. The posts about the insurance company refusing payment obligations for legal claims was something that happened 3 years ago when I was working.

And as for the 18th, it was probably Dec. 18th when I tried to buy my own policy.

Obama's plan now is for most people to pay their own way but not be denied. That works quite well for someone like me since I will then HAVE choices for PRIVATE insurance whereas I have NONE now.
---obewan on 1/19/10


I weould be one of those who would step up and oppose a forced abortion.
OTOH, we are a nation of laws and we must have law and order.
God can take out gov't down in a heartbeat if He wanted to do so.
---djconklin on 1/18/10

It's GOD's fault you deduce.
You are saying...i didn't make "mans" laws...but, I will obey them, so hand me the pliers and gloves. What a Good citizen I am.
A voter or defender a sideliner doing nothing,saying nothing gov endorsed infanticide is equally as guilty in the land of choice/vote.

The voters,promoters are the guiltiest. Knowing beforehand....they pedestal error.
---Trav on 1/19/10


obewan.... Hummmm..... On 18 Jan you stated you had insurance now on the 19th you don't.....
---Elder on 1/19/10

On Jan 18th, I had APPLIED for a $10K deductible 20% co-pay policy, and paid for the first month. The insurance company came back and refused my policy. Then every other company I applied at also refused my policy. So, if I get sick with cancer like my sister and father did, I will go bankrupt FIRST before medicaid kicks in since you have to basically have zero assets to get medicaid.

And, if I am so lucky as to get one of those min wage servant's jobs in this economy I also will have no insurance, so anything will be better than nothing - even Obama's new pay your own way can't be refused laws.
---obewan on 1/19/10


>Due process. Bet a lot of unborn would appreciate your concern, and pat you on the back if possible.

I weould be one of those who would step up and oppose a forced abortion. OTOH, we are a nation of laws and we must have law and order. God can take out gov't down in a heartbeat if He wanted to do so. No one is allowed to take the law into their own hands and kill wantonly.
---djconklin on 1/18/10


obewan.... Hummmm..... On 18 Jan you stated you had insurance now on the 19th you don't. Maybe you need to explain that....
What makes you think if you get this sub-standard, Government knows better than you and the Doctors do, health plan (that the public can't get complete disclosure on) any thing will change? (The meetings of the select behind closed doors are for a purpose.)
There are already a lot of plans and help you can get but maybe you'd rather whine or someone in your family makes too much money for you to qualify. Which is it?
---Elder on 1/19/10


I did not vote for Obama and am not trying to defend him. I just believe in due process and do not want to support lynch mobs and urban legends.
---obewan on 1/18/10

You scales of fairness is an example,obe. Of who we've become as a nation.
Due process. Bet a lot of unborn would appreciate your concern, and pat you on the back if possible. For not voting for the poser.

Regardless. Sing and rejoice GOD's due process. Knowing the judge of all will handle all cases of goat eventually. Psalms 109.
---Trav on 1/18/10


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This actual Kenyan, B.Cert appears to be the driver behind the California hearing the 26th of this month.
(Trav)

Snopes also has documented that the so-called California hearing for the 26th is a false farce and will not happen according to the presiding judges.

The fact that Snopes has already presented and well documented at least one forgery attacking Obama speaks volumes. The fact that those who attack Obama ignore the truth behind these forged attempts also speaks volumes.

I did not vote for Obama and am not trying to defend him. I just believe in due process and do not want to support lynch mobs and urban legends.
---obewan on 1/18/10


obewan, at least you had to choice to choose your insurance and the company that provided it. It wasn't forced on you. You are also of an age where you can get treatment and not be denied.

---Elder on 1/17/10
Choice? Every single company has denied my coverage because of one single pill I take -and I am healthy and we are talking about $10K deductible with 20% co-pays.

I am currently unemployed with no insurance and I have 15 years until medicare kicks in, and yes I WANT medicare! It is better than what I have had my whole life.
---obewan on 1/18/10


obewan, at least you had to choice to choose your insurance and the company that provided it. It wasn't forced on you. You are also of an age where you can get treatment and not be denied.
By the way do you want the government to take care of every part of your life? Maybe you like others working and earning and giving it to those who will not work.
---Elder on 1/17/10


It has now has been very conclusive that Obama was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia making him an ILLEGAL ALIEN.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/17/10

Didn't anyone ever teach you that lying is a sin?
---obewan on 1/17/10

Snopes is not reliable. A man and wife team, shooting from the hip.
There is a very nice copy of the "imposter's" actual birth certificate going around. With his little foot print and all the correct data. Looks more authentic than the Hawaiian farce.
This actual Kenyan, B.Cert appears to be the driver behind the California hearing the 26th of this month. May GOD allow the truth being revealed. Amazing that anyone calling themselves "Christian" would defend the poser.
---Trav on 1/17/10


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PJ.. a rehash of my post in the Ft Hood Shooting blog..

1. You haven't proved that he had it sealed. You also haven't proved that he spend "4 million" to do so.

2. You have seen the document. You believe that its fake, since it fits with your theory.

3. Most Americans know what it says. It says he was born in Hawaii, born on August 4, 1961, in the town of Honolulu, the Island of Oahu, the State of Hawaii. Born to a Caucasian mother, an African father and has a raised seal, the certificate # is 151 1961 - 010641 and was certified a true copy by Alvin T. Onaka's,
---NurseRobert on 11/19/09




Conclusive to whom?? The birthers? You have no proof and cannot provide proof
---NurseRobert on 1/17/10


It has now has been very conclusive that Obama was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia making him an ILLEGAL ALIEN.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/17/10

And what other urban legends are you into spreading? Can you prove this with Snopes? I think Snopes would quickly prove you wrong.

Didn't anyone ever teach you that lying is a sin?
---obewan on 1/17/10


Obama born in Kenya (Snopes False!):
The most obvious problems:

- It records Barack Obama Srs age as 26. Obama Sr was born in 1936, his son was born in 1961.

- Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the Republic of Kenya. Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.

- Its signed by registrar E.F. Lavender. Earth Friendly Lavender is a kind of detergent, and government officials who use vanity initials on official documents are, to put it mildly, rare.

Several other details with the document point to the fact that it is a forgery based upon an Australian birth certificate downloaded from the web and altered.
---obewan on 1/17/10


Nurse. We are STILL waiting for your answer on the COLB post on this blog.

It has now has been very conclusive that Obama was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia making him an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Is that OK with you?
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/17/10


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Ralph: Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You have no problem "demeaning or delegitimizing" those on the left, but then complain when it happens to you. How is that NOT hypocritical? Hypocritical can be more than just actions, but also in the words you speak. Perhaps you should condemn those on the right who do exactly what you claim those on the left do.

You don't like my politics, I don't like yours and, honestly, I don't really care what you think of me personally.
---NurseRobert on 1/17/10


the Death Panel who will decide if she worth the money or should just die.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/16/10

You are sick. The death panels already exist and they are sitting in the private insurance companies and for profit major hospitals.

I had a $6000 bill refused by a major insurance company and my co-worker had a $10,000 heart attack bill refused payment- both because they happened on the weekend when no one was manning the phones to "pre-approve" the treatments!

You should also see the special on "hospital dumping" on 60 minutes. Major hospitals were "dumping" people who had no more money to pay. Pushing them in wheel chairs and overturning them in the gutter.
---obewan on 1/16/10


Old John that is very naive!

I guess you think your Messiah cares for your wife. She has had too many operations. Time to cut costs and take the pain pill. She will report to the Death Panel who will decide if she worth the money or should just die. THAT'S HOW THEY THINK, VERY COLD BLOODED BUREAUCRATS!

Remember it was your messiah who suggested taking the pain pill if you become a burden to society.

The decision will NOT be yours or your wife. It would be up to the Obamas Nazi Death Panel to decide.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/16/10


Ashleigh,

Since you apparently didn't understand what I wrote, and you have made it quite clear you have no intention toward attempting to, for me to continue would provide no benefit to you. Therefore, you have the last word.
---BruceB on 1/16/10


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Will Obama's healthcare bankrupt America? America's already bankrupt. The health care plan will get medical care to my wife who is a little too young for Medicare but too ill to work. We already had to sell our home to finance two operations she needed. Any more operations and we'll be out on the street!
---Old.John on 1/15/10


America was bankrupt long before Obama got into office....
---kevin on 1/15/10

TRUE!
It took 12 years to get us to 1 Trillion debt. It took Obama less than 6 months to Quardruple it to 4 Trillion Debt.
and he still has 3 1/2 years left to destroy our country.

I sure "HOPE" American has "CHANGE" left when he's done forcing his Marxist regime.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/15/10


Bruce, the last thing I have to say is we must all stand before our God with a clean conscience. Knowing we have done what his word tells us to, not what some church leader who is more interested in politics than rightly dividing God's word. I pray that you read his word with a spiritual, not carnal mind. I'm not telling anyone to give to anybody if it's not from the heart. God doesn't want it if it's not from the heart. He doesn't need us we need him. He just wants to know if we trust and believe in him.
John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. God Bless
---Ashleigh on 1/15/10


Nurse, it matters not to me if you retract your statement. Your example, or more correctly non-example, only demonstrates your typical liberal tactics of not actually discussing issues or answering questions, but rather demean and delegitimize any person who makes a statement that you don't like or can't refute.

I answered your question honestly and yet you were driven to label me a hypocrite, not for anything I've done, but because I didn't write what you want me to write. Moreover, if you've read every one of my posts, you would realize the foolishness and error of your statement.

I used to think you were possibly a decent guy that I might get along with if we were to ever meet. You've proven me wrong I'm sorry to say.
---ralph7477 on 1/15/10


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America was bankrupt long before Obama got into office....
---kevin on 1/15/10


Ashleigh,

You're confusing God's Kingdom with the kingdoms of this world.

Where did Jesus state it was OK to take something belonging to one person (and give it to another person) against their will? That's what were talking about. That's not charity.

Of course, charity is what Jesus practiced. The difference is He did not steal what He gave to the poor.

Liberation theology (this mistaken concept that Jesus was a socialist) is used by Marxists to justify taking from one and giving to another, by force--not by love. On the other hand, the Holy Spirit produces a regenerated heart, which prompts one to give to another WITHOUT stealing from someone else in order to do so.

You're right about the Bible, though.
---BruceB on 1/15/10


Ralph, one only has to go back and read some of your postings. You make it a point to demonize democrats and liberals for exactly the same thing the republicans did for years, why not once denouncing those republicans. When you do that, I will be happy to retract my statement.
---NurseRobert on 1/14/10


Nurse Roberts....

You still have NOT answered why Obama has his COLB (Certificate of Live Birth). The one with all the details we need (Hospital Doctors etc etc etc)

SEALED !!!

Please Explain that one?

And PLEASSSSEEE don't waste our time telling us about the basic one he showed on th web. America wants the COLB with ALLL the details!

DO YOU BELIEVE AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHO THIS MAN IS, AND WHERE HE CAME FROM?
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/14/10


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Bruce,
The bible is for believers. If it doesnt line up with the Word my spirit isnt in agreement. Jesus was united with the poor. He walked and taught among them as one of them. He sent his disciples out, stripped them of their material possessions and made them poor (Mark 6:8-13). Jesus' association with the underbelly was his statement that our treatment of the poor was identical to our treatment of him. People without enough food, safe drinking water, the sick, widows, poorly clothed, homeless, criminals serving time, he said "whatever you did not do for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did not do for me" Matthew 25:31-46. God judged his children when they ignored the poor Ezekiel 16:49.
---Ashleigh on 1/14/10


Brother Trav, ....It is derisive and Satanic to launch personal attacks that reflect no sense of reality.
---larry on 1/14/10

You are a fine man. Is unwiser still to honor that which is adverse to GOD. By signs, or endorsements we know things.
Look at (PC)canine as a Hebrew writer. Strongs: keleb
... a dog, hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute: - dog.
Now by signs, if one actively supports the "keleb" seeks their support, endorses fights for this mode of adverse lifestyle. Is upheld by them as their hero and proponent. He has mentally sunk/joined the group hug. A leader of the "Pack".
Calling your Poodle ... brother, accepting as, does that spiritually make him feel related? Or you.
---Trav on 1/14/10


Hypocrisy: "The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform."

Nurse, I assume that you are able to back up your characterization of me by showing where, when and how I have demonstrated hypocrisy. The fact that you don't know me and have never witnessed my behavior should make this interesting. So go for it. Please share.
---ralph7477 on 1/14/10


Ashleigh,

Into that liberation theology stuff?

How does Marxism explain away the parable of the talents? [Mt 25:14-30] The guy who had increased his talents the least had ALL taken from him and given to the guy with the most... because the guy with the most did more with what he had been given--to the benefit of his lord. That don't sound like "marxism" to me.

The problem with "socialists" is they have no understanding of the difference between "robbing" someone, under the guise of "socialized" charity... and charity itself.

It's easy for someone to give away something which doesn't belong to them. Give away their own stuff before they give away someone elses? LOL.
---BruceB on 1/14/10


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Hi Alan,

Yes, It was reported in the Washington Post (AP wire) about 1 month ago. It was listing facts about Health in the USA. Listing Mortality rates in the US way above anyone else.

Another alarming fact (you definitely must be feeling) is the UK has been experiencing the coldest winter on record.

According to British Scientists, The trade winds from the Caribbean that keep England livable may be shifting as the Temps in the UK have been falling and falling.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/14/10


Pastor Jim ... I'm sorry, I addressed this originally to Exz:

"It is the same as when they say the Ice Caps are shrinking. NOT TRUE! The North pole is Shrinking while the South Pole is expanding more rapidily"

Are you sure that is right?

As for death rates ... I doubt if the US roads contribute to these. Your system are much simpler than Europes, because of your space, and you have lower speed limits. I exptect you have proportionately far fewer traffic accidents.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/14/10


Brother Trav, calling the president a dog is neither wise or Christ-like. It is derisive and Satanic to launch personal attacks that reflect no sense of reality. I am fasting and pledging to become more reflective of our savior in speech, please do likewise. Forgive me if earlier posts do not reflect the savior.
Our institutions are failing because we are failing as individuals not parties or vapid exercises in blaming the left or right.
What part of 2nd Corinthians 10:4-5 do we not understand?
When will religious conservatives and liberal theologists become Christians again?
---larry on 1/14/10


By most so-called Christians standards of today Jesus would have been considered a Marxist or Socialist.
Those of you who despise the poor, say they have money or a job and good health insurance so they dont need reform. One thing can be learned from the recession is that you can be up today and down tomorrow. Millionaires ended up homeless. Deu 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth. Its a shame more is spent on animals than people.
Acts 2:44-47, Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21, Luke 6:20, Luke 11:41, Luke 12:33, Luke 14:13, Luke 14:21, Luke 18:22, Luke 19:8, John 12:6, Acts 9:36, Acts 10:31, 2 Corin 9:9, Gal 2:10, James 2:1-17
---Ashleigh on 1/13/10


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Nurse, I don't have the ability to explain anybody's hypocrisy.
---ralph7477 on 1/13/10

So try explaining your own..
---NurseRobert on 1/13/10


Ho 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:...

I've seen this verse quoted dozens of times. It's typically used to explain away people's ignorance of scripture, reality, life, government, etc. But the thing is... the "quoters" always fail to finish the verse...

...because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

I'd suggest those of us who believe that government is our keeper do not really need Jesus. Mandated healthcare should serve all our ills quite nicely.
---BruceB on 1/14/10


Nice to see ya Pastor Jim.

My prayer for 2010 is that the children of God would pay more attention to their neighbors than to their politics.

Granted, our government is comprised of people and we need to pray for our leaders, but if we would stop being Americans first and Christians second and really lived out loving our neighbors as ourselves, it would change EVERYTHING.

Taken to the extreme, if you buy yourself a pair of shoes you should be buying your neighbors a pair of shoes. If we live somewhere between the extreme and where we are today, we will begin to show up in our community, we will stand out as believers, and people will want to know "what got into them".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/13/10


Nurse, I don't have the ability to explain anybody's hypocrisy.

The question is why does it matter what people did in the past? We are living in the here and now. If it was a mistake to pass the Medicare part D as Obama and others complain and whine about then take steps to get rid of it. They run the show now. They've had a year and have done nothing about it but continue to complain and sound very immature doing so.

So they are either phony or cowardly. Take your pick.
---ralph7477 on 1/13/10


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I'll tell you why, it's because they are phonies who don't give a hoot about deficits as long as government continues to expand.
---ralph7477 on 1/13/10

Ralph, how do you explain the hypocrisy of the GOP when they stand up and admit they didn't care about deficit spending when they were passing bills?
---NurseRobert on 1/13/10


Ralph: The only confusion that existed was my misuse of articles by and in. I also mistyped bill when I should have typed law. Shoot me for being human.

Confusion does not abound in the schools, as there I have no word limit when I teach, or type. It is here that the limit complicates things.
---Trish9863 on 1/13/10


Exz "It is the same as when they say the Ice Caps are shrinking. NOT TRUE! The North pole is Shrinking while the South Pole is expanding more rapidily"

Are you sure that is right?

As for death rates ... I doubt if the US roads contribute to these. Your system are much simpler than Europes, because of your space, and you have lower speed limits. I exptect you have proportionately far fewer traffic accidents.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/13/10


Yes Trish, laws are challenged in courts. Not bills as you stated. And yes, laws are challenged IN courts, not by courts which is what you wrote earlier.

You are now also correct that the Executive Branch is not just the President. As I correctly stated, it is the Presidency which encompasses the office and the extended departments. Is this kind of confusion commonplace in the public schools?

By the way, I keep hearing the liberals complain about Bush's unfunded Medicare expansion. Well if it's so bad, why don't the Democrats simply repeal it? They have the votes. I'll tell you why, it's because they are phonies who don't give a hoot about deficits as long as government continues to expand.
---ralph7477 on 1/13/10


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Jimmy Boy: I just googled those statistics on infant mortality and life expectancy, and the CIA says that France, Canada and the United Kingdom do better than the United States.

Now, I just bet you are going to say that the CIA is a liberal arm of Obama's government.

Rant away, dear boy.
---Trish9863 on 1/12/10


Ralph: Laws are challenged in the courts as to their Constitutionality. That is the purpose of the Courts, in the three Branches of Government. This allows for a balance of power.

The Executive Branch is NOT just the President. It also includes his Cabinet, and their departments. He is not alone in the job.
---Trish9863 on 1/12/10


THOSE ARE FALSE AND MISLEADING FACTS!!!

Issued by the LIBERALS!

The USA has the highist life expectancy in the entire world. As far as health and morrtality the US is BY FAR number ONE!

SO WHY THE DISCREPANCY???

IT IS DUE TO THE MILLONS OF MILES OF HIGHWAYS IN THE USA. MUCH MUCH MORE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

SO THESE DECEIVING LIBERALS INCLUDE HIGHWAY FATALITIES TO THEIR EQUATION AND VIOLA! WE ARE NO LONGER NUMBER ONE. HOW SAD.

It is the same as when they say the Ice Caps are shrinking. NOT TRUE! The North pole is Shrinking while the South Pole is expanding more rapidily.

DO NOT ACCEPT SATAN'S LIES!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/12/10


NO. The health care plan isn't Obama's ...

That may be the one truth our president has stumbled upon -leaving things they way they are is more expensive.
---larry on 1/12/10

You are correct. He's not smart enough. There have been several attempts by politicians to socialize health care. What better way to win the worshippers of government to the polls.

Health care and drugs are free enterprise which takes care of itself and us for profit. Nothing wrong with profit. You'd take some in a heart beat. Inferior service or supply or lack of need/value....self destructs.
The only truth the dog stumbled on was what ripe time to fleece all the infidel sucka's.
---Trav on 1/12/10


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Medicare Part B (actually part D) have no revenue stream and we'll be on the hook for the latter for decades.
---larry on 1/12/10

The only revenue stream is the pharmaceutical companies streaming revenue to certain members of congress...
---NurseRobert on 1/12/10


Trish, I wrote that the President has no plan, not that he writes legislation. We've heard all along about Obama's health plan but we have never actually seen this plan. We've heard him talk. He's for single payer, then he's not. He's for public option, then he's not. All he cares about is signing a bill so he can say that he accomplished something.

Incidentally, I certainly hope that 8th graders aren't learning what you wrote. Bills are not challenged by courts. The Executive Branch doesn't sign or veto bills, the President does. And he doesn't "work" at the Executive Branch, the presidency is the Executive Branch. And if this president isn't involved in writing bills, why is he involved in the secret negotiations?
---ralph7477 on 1/12/10


Did you know France and Canada have lower infant and adult mortality rates than the U.S.? Really? You say. But, but they have government healthcare plans. Did you know, that when a woman has a baby in France, they are provided with a government paid nanny for 6 weeks to help around the house? Did you know that doctors make house calls in France? I don't know about you, but I love dragging my 2 year old to the clinic everytime she has an ear infection. My point it this: I am embarassed how Christians have blindly followed lock step with the Republican party. I'm not an Obama fan, but I am flat out disgusted at how Christians have eagerly subscribed to the hate and deception set forth by Republicans. I follow Christ. Not Republicans.
---Joe on 1/12/10


NO. The health care plan isn't Obama's and neither Obama nor Bush can, would or will bankrupt America. Congress could attempt to do so but as long as the Fed is private it won't happen. Those who really control the money in this country will not leave their fate to people who can be elected or defeated.
Actually doing nothing and continuing to give lip service to health care costs increasing 2 or 3 times the rate of inflation will bankrupt many businesses but even then not the country.
That may be the one truth our president has stumbled upon -leaving things they way they are is more expensive.
---larry on 1/12/10


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If our trillion dollar war in Iraq and 1.2 trillion dollar Medicare Part B passed by congress in the last administration didn't bankupt us why should this health care plan?
I don't like the health care bill and would vote against it but at least its paid for with a ton of tax increases.
Iraq and Medicare Part B have no revenue stream and we'll be on the hook for the latter for decades.
Neither party is capable of governance. Democrats have proven themselves useless in a year, Republicans proved themsevles useless and mean in 8 years. Meanwhile the Christian community has been missing from the debate. We've heard plenty from religious conservatives but very little from Christians.
---larry on 1/12/10


Ralph: Any 8th grade social studies student can tell you that the President does not write legislation, Congress does. So, yes, others are writing the bill, and yes, he will sign it. That is the way the three branches of government work. Congress writes the laws. The Executive branch, where the President works, signs or vetoes the bills, and if a bill is challenged by the courts, the Judiciary branch makes certain that the Constitution is upheld in the laws. At least, that is what the 8th graders in my school are learning from their unit on government.
---Trish9863 on 1/12/10


But the real problem is the cost of healthcare to begin with. A real solution involves limiting litigation for the attorneys, bringing the cost of doctors and hospital under control and managing the insurance companies to control costs at a reasonable and affordable level.
---Gary on 1/11/10

So what you are saying is you want Government to control health care?
---NurseRobert on 1/11/10


The Obama health plan is big brother trying to shove thier definition of healthcare down our throats while protecting those that gouge the system with overpriced services, law suits and excessive profit goals. The basic premise is that those who do not have health insurance will be penalized finacialy which is to be regulated by the IRS. But the real problem is the cost of healthcare to begin with. A real solution involves limiting litigation for the attorneys, bringing the cost of doctors and hospital under control and managing the insurance companies to control costs at a reasonable and affordable level. Simply forcing people to buy into overpriced insurance is not the solution.
---Gary on 1/11/10


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I think any idealogy of government can be used for good > Paul says, of governing people > "he is God's minister to you for good," in Romans 13:4. And we are commanded to do what is good, with whatever we have for laws . . . to do all we can, I offer, to make good use of whatever laws and programs we have. And if ones choose to do what is greedy and dishonest . . . this is not the fault of the government or the laws or policies > wrong people will use anything to do what is wrong . . . including using the Bible and "Christianity" to do what is wrong. God can make good use out of anything, including that corruption, etc. (c: So can we, with You, LORD (c:
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/11/10


What standard of life should Christians seek? Should we be focused upon the world's or God's economy?

Matthew 6:19-34
---Leon on 1/9/10


First of all Obama has no health care plan. He's simply doing a lot of talking while leaving the work up to others, as usual. His goal is simply to sign a bill. Any bill. It doesn't matter what the bill is as long as he can boast that "he" fixed health care.

Secondly, we can't really speculate on the consequences of any legislation because nobody knows what it will look like. The conference negotiations are being done in secret. Obama promised unprecedented openness and transparency. He proudly stated that health care negotiations would be broadcast on C-Span for all Americans to watch. As we've realized, he'll say anything.

One thing is certain, whatever these Liberals come up with will cause more harm than good.
---ralph7477 on 1/9/10


No. His plan will help Funeral Homes, casket sellers, vault makers and Cemetery plot sellers.
Selling off 490 metric tons of US gold (to SA) is what will help bankrupt this country. (Whoops he has already authorized that sale. Done already.) There are more plans that will be put to use while this countries people sleep and pat each others back. The plans will not come clear to some until we are past the point of no return. And, that is not so far away.
---Elder on 1/8/10


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no it will contribute to the greedy big businesses that have started the ball rolling though.
---tom2 on 1/8/10


I don't see how. His current plan is proposing for most people to pay their own way. There is no so-called "public option."

A more pressing question might be: "Are unnecessary Middle-East wars going to bankrupt America? Iraq is supposed to cost $1 trillion. The public option was supposed to cost $1 trillion.

I would rather see us take care of our own then ATTEMPT to bring "democracy" to a people who may not even want it or know what to do with it.

I am sick of seeing the US be the world's "police force". There has to be some limits.
---obewan on 1/8/10


Lawrence ... Yes, like Al Qaeda, Obama will dupe stooges into suicide bombing in order to get his health care plans accepted
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/8/10


Obama says about the terrorist & the buck stops here. Now doesn't it sound like terrorism in his health-care-plan?
---Lawrence on 1/8/10


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No. America has already been bankrupted by the increases in politicians' salaries that they see fit to give themselves. We need a group that is not affiliated with the FBI or CIA to check on these politician's checks, and then take the excessive money from them that they don't deserve and give it to the poor who need healthcare
---amand6348 on 1/8/10


America is bankrupt and has been for a while. ---Darlene_1 on 1/8/10

You know, we all blame this dog, but it's the goats behind him that are the problem. By his self he can't make a decision to cross a street. The props: congress,special interest, muslim proponents are his seeing dog eyes. Isaiah 40:11
He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
Psalm 37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume, into smoke shall they consume away.
---Trav on 1/8/10


America is bankrupt and has been for a while. Obama will add to the ugly fact America is operating in the red,in more ways than one,they keep borrowing money from (Red)China. What Obama is doing will hurt the very people in America who have alrady paid their dues in every way the Senior Citizens. Obama is stealing from the old to make his plan for Health Insurance work. Force is not American but thats what he will use,forcing people to take Health Insurance they can't afford. Forcing Doctors to change the care given for the elderly,to the harm of the elderly. Already existing Insurance policy makers,at the recomendation of Federal Goverment,are changing the age women need to start mamograms from 40s to 50s. Americas future is bleak.
---Darlene_1 on 1/8/10


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