Churches Charging For Gospel
My wife heard a minister on the radio in St. Louis, Missouri make the following statement." What Almighty God is trying to give away the churches are charging for." What is your opinion of this statement?
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---mima on 1/8/10
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We know God gives everything freely to His children. Christians who don't read their bibles and understand the covenant of grace has to rely on those in the pulpit to teach them. Pastors can almost teach the gospel anyway they want to and most of the congregation wouldn't know the difference. I would probably think he was saying when pastors teach that you can receive more blessings from God based on one's performance, behavior, tithing, works, etc.. that the things freely given by God are not free but earned. Especially the message of the more money you sow the more you reap. We know that falling from grace applies to those who try to justify themselves by their works. Galatians 5:4
---Bob on 1/21/10|
Salvation is not free, if do not believe me ask Jesus he paid with his life. And he did not do it for a bunch of freeloaders. The servant is not above his master. You have to lay down your life and take up your cross. Or Jesus will have no part with you.
The free gift is eternal life. It is free because you do not deserve it. But you still have to obey the Gospel.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life
-->through Jesus Christ our Lord.<---
If you want the free gift you have to Go through Jesus and endure to the end.
---exzucuh on 1/18/10|
\\This woman actually spent 3 weeks in heaven every day for 8 hours. She said if you've seen Jesus like I have, you wouldn't worry about a thing down here. She really is anointed.\\
And if you doubt it, just ask her yourself and she'll tell you herself she's anointed. Amen?
||She thinks the pastor was referring to the many many regulations or conditions added to what the Bible plainly states.||
And you've not given ONE example of such conditions yet, mima.
Do you intend to do so, or are you going to make another drive-by accusation?
---Cluny on 1/14/10|
Once again please allow me to state that this pastor's statement did not refer to money according to my wife. She thinks the pastor was referring to the many many regulations or conditions added to what the Bible plainly states. In acts 16:30-31,
" 30-And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31-And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house"
---mima on 1/13/10|
1 Tim 5:18 says "Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages." I believe if a pastor is performing his job like God requires him to he does not have time to work another job. I have no problem with him living off the church. What I have a problem with is families in the church going without while he lives in luxury with more than one home or one car. Acts 4:34-35 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 -And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
How far we've gotten from the word.
---ashle7439 on 1/12/10|
The old expression is that the Gospel is free, but someone needs to pay for the plumbing.
Anything you can name on earth that is truly free, is ALWAYS a gift from God.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/12/10|
lit.Hb: "Obtain the truth, and that not deceive by selling." Proverbs 23:23.
---Eloy on 1/12/10|
One can't run a church without money (any more than a web site or radio/TV station). However, most churches (and web sites and stations) are free for those who want to use them, and pay for their own upkeep in other ways (for example, web sites and stations sell advertisements, churches rely on voluntary donations, monasteries have profit centers like winemaking or agriculture, etc.).
Hotels are fairly expensive. It would have been cheaper for the church to host the conference itself. If the church pays for conferences out of offerings, it benefits those few who take advantage of the conferences at the expense of everyone else. This may be fine if the church is overflowing with money, but most churches have limited budgets.
---StrongAxe on 1/12/10|
Cluny...LOLLLLLLLLLL TOO FUNNY:
"travelling spiritual medicine shows"
I LOVE that and thanks for making me laugh.
This woman actually spent 3 weeks in heaven every day for 8 hours. She said if you've seen Jesus like I have, you wouldn't worry about a thing down here. She really is anointed.
And gas, electric, etc., can all be paid by offerings and CD and book sales, amen?
---Donna on 1/12/10|
\\She was preaching on the anointing, signs and wonders, all different things. By the way, churches do collect building funds, so I guess they do charge, huh?\\
I wonder if she really said anything that has not already been said 100 times by other such travelling spiritual medicine shows?
An old priest I know once said, "Salvation is free, but the Church costs money."
I know that my pastor basically lives on his savings and pension from his first carreer as an engineer.
but lights, water, gas, and insurance for the property still have to be paid.
---Cluny on 1/12/10|
Cluny, I get your point, but Paul even said he wasn't a financial burden to anyone, meaning he didn't make his money off of the gospel even though he was allowed to. I araphrased that and forget where it is in the bible.
The hotel, conference room, etc., could have been paid for by offerings and book and CD, DVD sales, amen? Not from a registration fee.
StrongAxe, I misunderstood the question, no churches don't charge, conferences do. She was preaching on the anointing, signs and wonders, all different things. By the way, churches do collect building funds, so I guess they do charge, huh?
---Donna on 1/12/10|
\\ Salvation is FREE so is the Word of God.\\
Hotel conference rooms, travelling expenses, and publishing are all free, too.
---Cluny on 1/11/10|
What kind of conference was that? What did she preach about? I thought most such pay-to-attend conferences were about secondary subjects (spiritual growth, family issues, etc.) and were attended by believers - NOT gospel preaching aimed at unbelievers. As such, they're not charging for the gospel, just for other teaching. I have never heard of any churches that charge people to come to regular Sunday services.
Also, how can anyone "make" you dump your change on the floor? Unless they hold you at gunpoint, the choice is yours alone. If you feel overwhelming peer pressure, and feel you no longer have the choice to choose for yourself, the atmosphere is cultic, and my advice is to run away as fast as you can.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/10|
I actually think this minister in Missouri means salvation and the Word of God being preached unto salvation.
Have you realized in the last couple of years that MOST ministries are charging outrageous Registration Fees to attend their meetings and conferences? Like $125 per person. I paid $35. per person last year to hear a very anointed woman of God, then she made us dump all of our change on the floor and made thousands of dollars on her book sales and DVD sales. I don't condemn her, but why charge a Registration Fee for the Word of God? Salvation is FREE so is the Word of God. "Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed," amen?
---Donna on 1/11/10|
\\Is her understanding as well as mine .... And that is what is meant when we say what the Lord is trying to give away, churches are charging for!\\
In other words, mima, you and your wife are using words like Humpty Dumpty: words mean what you want them to mean and not what they are understood by everyone else to mean.
Can you give us a concrete example of the "hoops to jump through" or "regulations"--what you call "WORKS"?
---Cluny on 1/11/10|
I think this preacher hit it right on the nail.
---catherine on 1/10/10|
In order to better focus in our responses I've talked with my wife about this question. Is her understanding as well as mine that the charges that the churches are charging has no reference to money but rather to regulations(hoops to jump through) or what could better be called "WORKS". Every denomination has its own set of works for its members to labor under. And that is what is meant when we say what the Lord is trying to give away, churches are charging for!
---mima on 1/10/10|
Cluny is right. Without the full script of the sermon, it would not be proper to discuss one small area of it.
---KarenD on 1/9/10|
Creedal pressure from church authorities is the charge placed upon the people.This creedal pressure idealizes and promotes uniformity not unity.
By example,we recognize the one dollar bill ,a nation wide denomination, as the standard unit for commerce.In comparrison,there are many religious denominations that cannot agree because one charges the other of inaccurate or faulty denominations.
This is passed on to the spiritual customer as having to convert their in hand unit of measure.Meaning ,one has to give up something to enter therein.And that something is freedom .A measure of uniformity denomination is therefore placed into their hand.
---earl on 1/9/10|
Don't really know what the minister your wife heard, was saying,exactly. There are ministries/churches who raise huge amounts of money and live off of it. I often wondered how much of this money is used to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. The persons who give this money, almost, never know the true facts of this. Most ministrieschurches that I know of, who raise huge amounts of money,the ministers/pastors. and their families, are also rich. So these ministers,pastors, so-called prophets do live off of this money and live really large. They drive huge nice luxury cars and live in mansions. On top of other luxuries.Very little goes to help others (the poor,widows etc...)
---Robyn on 1/8/10|
I disagree. Depending on the church you go to, they readily tell you the gospel for free.
Some churches use offerings for things like rugs and organs, but others use offering for spreading the gospel (ie sending missionaries to other countries, etc.)
If you read the free book offered on Christianet, one of the problems is that these missionaries are given exemplary homes when they travel, and they don't need that much. Native missionaries cost less to send and they live just like the people they are surrounded by.
So I think that it just depends on the church.
---amand6348 on 1/8/10|
charging in what way?I was a member of a church in northern va ,oh,35 years ago,that had annual fund raising dinner,where members were expected to pledge for the year,then given weekly envelopes,and weekly statements,as I think of it now something that probably should not have been done.pledging that is,but then again the church needs funds.In acts the early christian sold all their possessions and gave as there was a need,are we less accountable today?or just more wordly?more materialistic oriented?
---tom2 on 1/8/10|
I'd like to know exactly what the original speaker was referring to and why he said it and the context in which he said it.
Until then, I have no opinion.
Let's not forget that even mima (who never has an agenda behind his posts) admits he heard this second hand.
---Cluny on 1/8/10|