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Is The North Pole Shrinking

Is it true that "the North pole is shrinking while the South Pole is expanding more rapidily". I've seen pictures of great chunks of Antarctica melting and breaking off. What is the truth?.

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It is happening and no one can do a thing about it. Just wait and see what happens. They say every time there is an earthquake, the axis tip a little more away from the top center. I saw this on the news at 10. Many earthquakes going on lately and we expect a very big one is dew in California. It's been over ten years now since the last big one.
---mary on 3/17/10


John: yes, it is always hard to know what these things mean, how to deal with them, whether they are or are not a problem. Yes, you are right, the idea of who controld things is a big problem. On the other hand, I've seen some places where the environment is clearly being destroyed (wher eI leved in China, where they were dumping chemical waste in the river, and when you ordered soup you could see it was purple colour, but there was nothing else to eat! But that is (hopefully) an extreme. Personal responsibility is the best, but for that, even a small percentage can ruin the system of resposibility.
---peter3594 on 3/16/10


John, where do you get the details of the changes in the Antarctic? I can find some in the general news, but they are quite hard to work out... there seems to be a dimishing in that peninsula south of S.America, but I can't see anything below the Indian Ocean, or really the Pacific. Any place I can get better data?
---peter3594 on 3/16/10


No! It was, but now it's expanding since the earth began cooling 12 years ago. The arctic thaw is cyclical, and is exacerbated by hot undersea volcanoes under the ice cap.
---jerry6593 on 3/15/10


Peter,
The Antartic is expanding rapidly as the Artic is contracting. I am not a scientist, but perhaps this could be due the shifting of the magnetic Poles.

My concern and biggest fear is that issue (we have seen with so many times)is a tool for socialist to take over free enterprise and individual freedoms. John Birch said way back in the 50s that communism is not the biggest threat to freedom. He said There will soon be a movemnet called Environental and although not about the environment it will be used to control the world. Clinton wanted to change "private property" to "right of use only", so they can enter your house at will and regulate it.
---John on 3/14/10




John: Yes, you are correct, that is obviously fraud, my mistake. However, it does seem that there are changes, of one nature or another, to the ice. From what I have found, there appears to be some shrinkage in Antarctica, mostly in the west (S of America) and almost nothing in the East. OK, yes, temperatures must be measured over long times as one cold (or warm) winter means little, but what do you think: is the any cause for concern?
---peter3594 on 3/12/10


Yes Alan, which is why I have always spoken of global warming climate change in the northern hemisphere.
Actually the Polar Ice cap is shrinking and growing in other places. More interesting is how the cap is becoming thinner in many places. Its a mixed bag that should make no one comfortable.
El Nino gave the east a horrible winter while Israel suffers stiffling heat. The earth is huge and there is a lot of stuff going on simultaneously of which you could jumjp to any conclusion.

The whole thing is a scientific debate reduced to political arguments by fist pounding morons.

Again to answer your question, yes its true.
---larry on 3/10/10


PETER3594,

HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE LONDON TIMES.

The Times reported:

Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), used bogus claims about Himalayan glaciers melting to raise hundreds of thousands of pounds. Pachauri is alleged to be a glacier expert and should have easily known the claims were false. Some people are wondering if his actions were criminal.

It means that EU taxpayers are funding research into a scientific claim about glaciers that any ice researcher should immediately recognise as bogus.

The IPCC had warned that climate change was likely to melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 - an idea considered ludicrous by most glaciologists.
---John on 3/10/10


John: My comment was simply in response to pastor Jim's comment that the information about hte Himalayan glaciers was FRAUD - from what I have found, it seems that someone was very silly, but did not want to trick people. I define fraud as when someone sends out information that is untrue and that person KNOWS it is untrue, and error as when a person sends out mistaken evidence without knowing it is a mistake. The evidence I have found suggest that this was a mistake, not fraud. If you have evidence (about the glaciers) that it was fraud, please do inform me, I will be very interested in trying to work out what is going on.
---peter3594 on 3/10/10


Peter3594,

This opinion is based on the continuous succession of Hoaxes and lies espoused by the Liberal Elite scientists.

Do you remember the spotted Owl Hoax or the 4 Million acres per day being destroyed in the Amazon Jungle (AKA in PC: Rain Forest)All have being proven not just as errors (as you say) but as outright Lies/Fraud perpetrated by the Liberal elite and propagated by the abiding Left Wing Media.

Now we come to find out that in Fact the South Pole is expanding at an alarming rate (no news in you media on it) and then we have those Emails from the UK, then we find out the Glaciers in the Himalayas are not melting at all but expanding.

So Peter what do you call a Hoax/Fraud.
---John on 3/9/10




Pastor Jim, the comment was not admitting FRAUD but ERROR. Their ERROR was to say that they were LIKELY to dissapear earlier than they now find they ARE LIKELY to disappear. You are rather too keen on accusing people while you do not have enough evidence. A little more caution is good in subjects that we do not know very much about. Cluny's comment (at the very bottom) is correct, it is too hard to make long term (past or future) speculation form the time of data we have, but maybe it is better to be more cautios about what could happen
---peter3594 on 3/9/10


WOW! The UN council in Copenhagen just admitted fraud concerning the Glaciers shrinking in the Himalayas. They were NOT shrinking as was proposed in the Copenhagen meeting.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/21/10


Cluny: "While apaprently parts of the polar ice caps are melting, while others expand, do we really know if this is due to human-influenced factors, or if this is part of a major cycle?"

Did "human-influenced factors" cause the Northwest Passage to be open year round?

Cluny: "It's only in the last couple of hundred years that accurate weather records have been kept."

Old navigational maps between 900 and 1100 AD showed that the Northwest Passage was open year round.
---Steveng on 1/21/10


The North Pole icecaps had better continue to shrink otherwise Al Gore may have to give back his Nobel prize.

The conclusion that global warming was the cause of ice caps melting was based on only one year of data but ignoring findings from studies of ice cores of past centuries which indicates weather is a cyclic type of phenomena.
---Lee1538 on 1/21/10


Jerry ... Jest not!

Otherwise the Klingon (verified as being demons) will come and catch you.

Of course the Rapture is only an old outdated term for for being Beamed Up by Scotty.

So Scotty is St Peter. But, ooops, the Scottish patron saint is Andrew. Confusing, all this theology!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/21/10


Alan: Boy, you're a quick study! This stuff was absolutely verified by Elvis himself when he appeared in his UFO recently.
---jerry6593 on 1/21/10


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"It is time to accept the Earth 'in the beginning' was Colonized, by High Tech Science. In Genesis 1, the water that went above the firmament, made an Ice Canopy. This fell in the High Tech Noah/Atlantis Society Planetary Flood"

All of course as accurately recorded in the bIble.

And Jesus ascended to Heaven by space shuttle.

At Pentecost, the disciples used High Tech Language Decoders. And paul, was blinded by a Laser Beam

All proven and scriptural
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/20/10


It is time to accept the Earth 'in the beginning' was Colonized, by High Tech Science.
In Genesis 1, the water that went above the firmament, made an Ice Canopy. This fell in the High Tech Noah/Atlantis Society Planetary Flood, that lasted over 1 year in Genesis 7.8.
The Flood broke the One Land Mass into Continents, tipped the Axis, and set down a new Top Strata. The Ice is at the New Poles today.
Our High Tech Society is setting up the Global Warming with our Pollution that is thinning the Ozone Canopy, and melting the Ice.
---Dolores on 1/20/10


Nah. It just looks that way cause I'm still gaining weight
---Elder on 1/20/10

Good one.

Reminds me of:
I'm doing fine.....but I'll get over it.
---Trav on 1/20/10


Nah. It just looks that way cause I'm still gaining weight
---Elder on 1/20/10


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cluny: "While apaprently parts of the polar ice caps are melting, while others expand, do we really know if this is due to human-influenced factors, or if this is part of a major cycle?"

One might want to check the arctic undersea volcano activity in the past two decades, the solar activity and output over the same time period, and if one is really scientifically inclined, he can perform an infrared atmospheric transmittance CO2 dependancy analysis to see if man is indeed causing climate change.

I'll give you a hint .... it's a BIG POLITICAL HOAX!
---jerry6593 on 1/18/10


The global warming fraud continues to unravel.
From The Sunday Times (U.K.): "A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it."

The warning was based on an interview with a little known Indian scientist who "has since admitted that the claim was 'speculation' and was not supported by any formal research. The revelation is the latest crack to appear in the scientific concensus over climate change. Last week another row broke out when the Met Office criticised suggestions that sea levels were likely to rise 1.9m by 2100, suggesting much lower increases were likely."
---ralph7477 on 1/17/10


Yes. We're on the verge of another Ice Age.
---amand6348 on 1/17/10


The truth? OK...

This global warming concept as being something out of the ordinary, and caused by humans... is an effort to push the sovereign nations into giving over their sovereignty to the globalists. After all, it's the only way to stop that deadly CO2 from melting all the ice: right?

Of course, the central Greenland Ice Core is actually COLDER than it was 1,000 years ago--by magnitudes more than any warming over that same 1,000 years. This fact is not conducive to the fiction of global warming. And so... VOILA! "Climate change".

Ya can't have a one-world government, economy, and religion while there are multiple sovereigns, which stand in the way of it.

Something's gonna give. Any guesses as to what?
---BruceB on 1/14/10


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U.K. Daily Mail, 1/12/10- "The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the worlds most eminent climate scientists. Their predictions based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans challenge some of the global warming orthodoxys most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013. According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26%, since 2007 and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this."
---ralph7477 on 1/13/10


We recently had a speaker address our mens club at church. He spend many years and made several trips to Antarctica. He states that ice down there is growing. And that there is much breaking off of the ice shelfs into the ocean but that is a normal occurrence.

However, this is the first time I heard of the North pole ice caps growing. We have seen too much on TV to the contrary.
---lee1538 on 1/13/10


THE SOUTH POLE ICE CAP IS EXPANDING RAPIDLY!!!

GLOBAL COOLING!
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/13/10


There is good physical evidence that at sometime in the distant past the polls drastically shifted. It is conceivable that a shifting in the polls will take place in the great upheaval that will level the mountains. Knowing that coming events cast their shadows before themself maybe present conditions are lining up for future events.
---mima on 1/13/10


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While apaprently parts of the polar ice caps are melting, while others expand, do we really know if this is due to human-influenced factors, or if this is part of a major cycle?

It's only in the last couple of hundred years that accurate weather records have been kept.
---Cluny on 1/13/10


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