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\\ First of all Obewan, the Federal government has no business even establishing a minimum wage.\\

According to the Bible, defrauding the laborer of his wages, which also means not paying a just wage, is a sin crying out to heaven for vengeance.
---Cluny on 1/26/10


Ralph, very good points you gave.
---MarkV. on 1/26/10


GOOD POINTS JED/RALPH!

I think it is blatantly obvious we are talking about not a political view, but a Religious Cult bent on enforcing THEIR beliefs on all of us.

It is in their religion that if the whole world becomes Liberal ALL our problems will be solved. Just like John Lennon Imagine.

It would be Heaven on Earth as Satan designed it to be.

Very similar to their dubious ally Islam.

This is Satan's last stance. God will burn his "Planet." Satan's disciples want to save the planet.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/26/10


the Federal government has no business even establishing a minimum wage. ---ralph7477

Is that more "generous" than the "liberal" position that suggests that minimum wages should be tied to the cost of living?

Do you have any idea how much is taken away from a persons buying power when inflation runs 3-5% and they go 10 or 15 years with no increase?

At current factory wages of about $9 an hour, I ran the numbers, and with a bottom line not too roach infested apartment, no medical expenses, and a junk car, I come up $300 a month short.

I don't know how you expect minimum wage families to survive unless they pile 6 or 7 in a 1 bedroom apartment.
---obewan on 1/26/10


First of all Obewan, the Federal government has no business even establishing a minimum wage. That's for the free market or each State to determine. Of course, Obama and the gang established the first ever "Pay Czar" to make sure people don't earn more than they should. Frankly, it's none of their business what anybody earns, but liberals need to know everybody's business or else they can't control.

Secondly, I love soup so I would never cry into it and ruin it. And since I am conservative, defined foolishly by one guy as "selfish" and having "no compassion for others", I would more likely cry into my filet mignon which I can afford to eat every day because I hoard all my money while ignoring the needy.
---ralph7477 on 1/26/10




You cannot claim to be Christian when your heart is worshipping Satan's religion.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/26/10

And I suppose he is going to tell us next that those Democrats who were blocking the healthcare bill to keep out taxpayer funding of abortion were "worshipping Satan" LOL
---obewan on 1/26/10


Do you think it is "christian" of you to take food out of your kids mouth to give it to some lazy bum that refuses to work? Liberalism says that my neighbor doesn't have to work to pay his bills because I have a job and can pay both his bills and my bills. And if I can't, then his bills will get paid before mine because it is automatically taken from my paycheck. I didn't have a choice to give it to someone who really needed it. Conservatism says you reap what you sow, which is Biblical. I'm all into giving to the poor, but I have a responsibility to my family to make sure we do not become the poor in doing so. I have made the right decisions in life to make it that way.
---Jed on 1/26/10


\\You post scripture on giving etc. by so doing you equate government to God.\\

Don't look at me, Pastor_Jim.

I've repeatedly quoted Jesus saying that His Kingdom was NOT of this world.

No chance that YOU might be the one who is deceived, is there?
---Cluny on 1/26/10


You are deceived!

You post scripture on giving etc. by so doing you equate government to God. Both in your mind are the same. So your god is government and you accept all its decrees weather it is perversions of ALL kinds, immorality or abortion. That is your faith! Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are then your priests.

Liberalism is the repression of freedoms to control and to gain power on earth, Ultimately to have a throne establish for Satan.

God is all about freedom. Christians give freely from their hearts. You worship government and comply with its demands as your god.

You cannot claim to be Christian when your heart is worshipping Satan's religion.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/26/10


It has been well documented through numerous studies that people who are classified as Conservatives are far more charitable than those who are classified as Liberals. ---ralph7477 on 1/26/10

Is that why they will block reasonable cost of living increases to the minimum wage for 10 or 20 years at a strecth?

Tell you what. Since you are so "giving" why don't you give up YOUR cost of living wage increases for the next 20 years! I bet you will be crying in your soup.
---obewan on 1/26/10




It has been well documented through numerous studies that people who are classified as Conservatives are far more charitable than those who are classified as Liberals. I have shared the details of these studies on the blogs before and they are easily found online.

Conservatives give more to charities, give more of their time and they even donate more blood.

Who is the genuine giver, the person who helps his neighbor by using his own money and resources, or the person who gives away other people's money? It's easy to "give" stuff away when it's not yours to begin with.
---ralph7477 on 1/26/10


All my posts are getting censored.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/26/10

That should tell you something should it not?

I have had a few of mine censored from time to time. If I chill a little they usually will post up a similar comment that is more reasonable.

You must have said somethng pretty offensive or inaccurate and way off base.
---obewan on 1/26/10


jerry6593:

There are worldly and evil liberals, just as there are worldly and evil conservatives. One should not paint one entire group by the bad apples in it, any more than the other group.

Remember that in Jesus's day, his chief adversaries were the chief Pharisees, but there were also many Pharisees who were devout individuals (for example, Nicodemus).

Also, it is important not to confuse "liberal" with "libertine" (someone who believes in license and wanton abandon of all rules).
---StrongAxe on 1/26/10


All my posts are getting censored.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/26/10


Well said asle7439 that just about covers it and closes the book.

The one purely American religion Pastor Jim would be more wisely postulating is
"Patriotism".
That would hit a nerve, not with Christians, but with religious conservatives.
---larry on 1/26/10


Sort of. Religious liberals, like political liberals, want to sin with impugnity and without fear of judgement. In fact, they both try to convince us that the only REAL sin is "judgementalism." Jesus, on the other hand, displayed the perfect balance of biblical liberality (not liberalism), and true conservativism when it came to sin. He upheld the divine Ten Commandment Law, but rejected the man-made attachments. He displayed the Godly attributes of justice (law) mixed with mercy (compassion and giving). Liberals, on the other hand, tend to operate from emotion rather than principle, seeking license and man-made theories rather than justice.
---jerry6593 on 1/26/10


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Today, religious conservatives are always emphasizing personal holiness and theological accuracy, and condemning those who don't live up to such standards. Religious liberals are more interested in accepting people as they are rather than heaping condemnation on them.

2000 years ago, the Pharisees were great sticklers about holiness and theology, and always condemning people for sins, while Jesus and his disciples dealt dealt more with people in a non-judgmental fashion.

So, by today's standards, the Pharisees would be called conservatives, while Jesus would be called a liberal.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/10


\\Cluny,
I do not want to get into politics on this blog. It is a diversion of Liberalism.\\

When pressed, Pastor Jim gave a definition of liberalism that is basically political.

Then he says he doesn't want to get into politics.

Does this make sense, class?
---Cluny on 1/25/10


Jesus is more liberal, rather than being a selfish conservative whom has no compassion for others. I recall once when I was homeless, that there were two rather street-wise woman who cared for my circumstances, and brought me a bag having some pants in them for me to wear. I thought to myself, these liberal woman have much more love for the poor than the church-goers- whom are suppose to know better- do. The conservative mindset says, "If this man were of God he would know that this woman is a sinner, and would not let her touch him." But the liberal mindset says, "I will have mercy and not sacrifice, for I am not willing that any should perish, so I will go into the highways and biways and compel them to come in."
---Eloy on 1/25/10


Wall Street Journal Dec. 23: "Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) and Citigroup Inc. (C) unwrapped their Christmas presents to themselves Wednesday: They both repaid their government aid, escaping heightened regulatory and public scrutiny.

Wells Fargo said it completed its $25 billion repayment, and Citi followed with its announcement that it wired $20 billion and tore up guarantees it received from the U.S. government for losses stemming from securities tied to soured mortgages."

Nurse, are you just trying to run up the post count by having me correct you?
---ralph7477 on 1/25/10


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Ralph, Wells Fargo got $25B in money from the government. While they said they would pay it back they haven't yet. They claim its contingent on "$10.4 billion common stock offering."

If they didn't want or need the money, why haven't they given it back?
---NurseRobert on 1/24/10


Those who claim to be Christians need to study God's word more.
Specifically - Acts 2: 41-47
1 Sam. 2:8
Psa. 82:3
Prov. 14:31
Prov. 19:17
Prov. 21:13
Prov. 28:27
Prov. 22:9
Isa. 58:6-11
Mat. 25:34-46
Luke 3:9-11
Luke 10:27-37
Luke 12:30-34
1 John 3:17-19
Eph. 2:8-10
2 Cor. 9:7-15
1 Tim. 6:17-19
James 1:27
James 2:14-20
Either you believe the scripture or you don't.
I guess you would say Jesus was/is a socialist or liberal.
You have to remember the bible is for those that would live Godly.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.




---ashle7439 on 1/24/10


It has infiltrated every fabric of our lifes (sic) from Hollywood to nearly all the churches. All use Political Correctness (sic)as their spiritual language
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/23/10
And I presume you have visited ALL churches to substantiate your claim?

I have visited MANY and found the opposite of your claim to be true.

As for your "attack" on Francis have you ever done a BIBLICAL study on tithing? Would you label God a "liberal" for commanding Israel to give a full 1/3 of all tithes to the poor, widows, orphans, and disabled people? Does the church you "lead" do that? What kind of "cult" are you "pastor" of?
---obewan on 1/24/10


StrongAxe, you made my point. Contracts mean nothing to the people running this government. Just ask the bondholders of GM who had their legally binding contracts voided by Obama's nationalization.

A bank like Wells Fargo neither needed or wanted any bailout money. It was forced upon them. They have returned it with interest. But Obama sees a cash cow and so he's going for more. It's Chicago style gangster tactics.

It's also a diversion to draw attention away from the fact that the taxpayers will never see a dime from GM, Chrysler, Fannie and Freddie which were run into the ground by the government and the unions. BTW, still waiting for you to explain your convoluted debt theory. Anybody?
---ralph7477 on 1/24/10


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NurseRobert:

So what you're saying is that in about a year, about half have already repaid their bailout money. Also, remember that as long as the companies have bailout money, the government can exert an uncomfortable amount of control on how they do business. For most of them, the LAST thing they want is government control and oversight. So it's in their own best self-interest to repay the money as soon as possible to become independent again.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/10


Obewan, a handful of banks, some of which were forced to take the money, have paid it back with interest and then some.
---ralph7477 on 1/24/10

A total of 700 financial institutions (not just banks) were given a total of $205B. Of that, 54 have repaid over $96B. This does not include one that is repaying $20B.

Of the largest banks (Citi, Wells Fargo, BOA, Chase) all of them turned around and put the screws to their customers by raising rates and fees.
---NurseRobert on 1/24/10


ralph7477:

Perhaps you are aware of something called contracts? For example, a mortgage is a contract between a bank and a homeowner that spells out the details whereby a bank lends money to the homeowner, and the homeowner pays it back in installments, and has contractual penalties for non-payment (i.e. forclosure). While the contract may include provisions for the bank to alter some of the terms of the agreement (for example, altering interest rates), once the loan is paid off, the bank cannot suddenly ask for more. In any case, the homeowner can never be forced to pay more than he originally signed up for plus the agreed-upon interest, unless he voilates some terms, such as defaulting on payments. The bailouts are similar.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/10


\\Cluny,
I do not want to get into politics on this blog. It is a diversion of Liberalism.\\

Your very question in your original post gets into politics, Pastor Jim.

Do you simply not know what words mean?

Or are you deliberately trying to stir up strife, like mima frequently seems to do?
---Cluny on 1/24/10


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Obewan, a handful of banks, some of which were forced to take the money, have paid it back with interest and then some. But guess what, Obama isn't done with them. He wants more from them because of all the money lost bailing out Fannie, Freddie, AIG, GM, Chrysler (again). Looks like the original Chrysler bailout was just delaying the inevitable.

Imagine that you pay off your mortgage early. Then the bank informs you that you are not off the hook because it has other people who have defaulted on their loans and it is going to get it's money any way it can. Therefore, since you appear to be doing so well, the bank is going to keep the lien on your home and continue to bill you for payments. Sounds like organized crime.
---ralph7477 on 1/24/10


Cluny,
I do not want to get into politics on this blog. It is a diversion of Liberalism.

It continually cloaks its true identy in the guise of a political view.

But when you see it fruits, one becomes aware of the snakes head rising from the earth establishing his throne on earth. Everything about liberalism points to a kingdom of the earth eventually ruled by the beast himself.

It has infiltrated every fabric of our lifes from Hollywood to nearly all the churches. All use Political Correctness as their spiritual language

It has manage to brainwash all but the elect, just as Jesus has said. You need only to read Francis post.

It is nothing less than a religion set up by Satan to rule the earth.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/23/10


No, because liberalism can be defined as a good thing, like liberally feeding the hungry: and also liberalism can be defined as a bad thing, like liberally feeding onto gluttony.
---Eloy on 1/24/10


I'll eagerly await your explanation of this theory because if it works you may win a Nobel Prize in economics.
---ralph7477 on 1/23/10

I guess you haven't heard about the banks that have already paid back their bailout money. The government actually made a profit on those deals. And getting the government out of their shorts is a great motivator for quick loan payoffs.

I also seem to remember the government bailing out Chrysler way back in the 70's and 80's. They made billions on the "investment".
---obewan on 1/23/10


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\\Why do we endorse politially liberal programs:\\

Conservative Protestant Christians (typified by Williams Jennings Bryan) led the fight against slavery, for women's suffrage, and in many political causes considered "liberal" at the time.

These are all considered normal American practice now.
---Cluny on 1/23/10


OK StrongAxe, please enlighten me. Exactly how does one fix a "run-away mess" of deficit spending by engaging in even more and greater deficit spending?

A man comes to you and says that he's a million dollars in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy. So your advice to him would be to go 4 million more dollars into debt by taking out more loans and max out every credit card he has. Buy more stuff, take vacations, go out to fancy dinners and live it up all on credit. And this would somehow get him out of his mess?

I'll eagerly await your explanation of this theory because if it works you may win a Nobel Prize in economics.
---ralph7477 on 1/23/10


Francis,

You answered in a way that I thought a "Christian" would answer,---that is before I read these blogs.

Nice to know that some of you exist...
---atheist on 1/23/10


Yes Pastor Jim, just like conservatism, Islam, Buddism, Unitarianism, B'hai, environmentalism, anamists, Wiccan and other beliefs.
In this country the lie from the father of lies is that political conservatism or liberalism have something in common with Christianity or the homeless Palestinian Jew known as Yeshua. They share no common ground in TRUTH.

There is plenty of room for politics among religious conservatives in this country but that group is just a modern day version of the Pharisees, i.e. America's Taliban.

I am the LORD, that is My name, And My glory I will not give to another. Isiah 42:8.

In other words God does not share the stage, politics has no biblical virture so leave it at the waters edge.
---larry on 1/23/10


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\\Cluny your attempt to divert the debate by engaging in symantics is NOT working. I won't take the bait.\\

Let's see.

You accused me of being "passionate" about defending my faith, but you never said what that faith is. (BTW, Mahometans have NEVER been friends of the Orthodox or other eastern Christians.)

You talked about having tax-payer funded abortions--which we don't have. (BTW, I was named as a defendant in a $39M lawsuit for merely praying across the street from the chop shops.)

Yet you accuse me of playing "semantics", which word you can't even spell right.
---Cluny on 1/23/10


It is a shame that a pastor has to use the word FORCE when it comes to giving liberally to the poor.
Many of us that you accuse of being liberals, we are willing to pay our taxes, even higher taxes, knowing that much of it is going to help the poor. We do not as a people ( liberals) feel forced to give. We as liberals and christians consider it a Godly privilege to give to any organization, including the state and federal giovernment to help those less fortunate than ourselves.

Why do we endorse politially liberal programs:
Job 5:16 So the poor hath hope, and iniquity stoppeth her mouth.

Because we liberals Love our neighbours as we love ourselves, we want even the poorest to have the same healthcare as we do.
---Francis on 1/23/10


PASTOR JIM ... "A RCC, mormon, protestant, would let you know upfront who they are so you know what they believe and where they are coming from"

Yes, so presumably an honest politician would tell the truth as to why we are going to war.

Think of the deliberate lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction peddled to us by Bush and Blair. By your description, they are religious cultists
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/23/10


be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if any be a hearer of the word and not a doer he is like a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself and goeth his way and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart this man's religion is vain. Pure religion undefiled before God the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted from the world~James 1:22-27
---AlwaysOn on 1/23/10


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ralph7477:

The reason they are doing it now is to fix the run-away mess created by the Bush administration in the first place (which was doing the same thing, and if you will remember, the whole bail-out proposal was started while Bush was still in office).
---StrongAxe on 1/23/10


"Paying for something now yourself is much more honest than making your children pay after you're gone."

I agree. Tell it to the President and the rest of his gang who are running up your children's tab at the rate of a hundred billion dollars a month.
---ralph7477 on 1/22/10


Cluny your attempt to divert the debate by engaging in symantics is NOT working. I won't take the bait.

My question is do other folks see Liberalism as a religious cult as I describe on two of my earlier posts.

It would explain the illogic of their agendas. Very much like a religion.

For instance....

A RCC, mormon, protestant, would let you know upfront who they are so you know what they believe and where they are coming from.

Not so with liberals. As it is a religion hiding under the guise of politics.
Very dangerous cult tactics.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/22/10


ralph7477:

A fundamental principle of any economic system is "you get what you pay for". If you want a car, regardless of whether you need it or can afford it, you must pay for it. Otherwise, either you can't have it, or it gets repossessed, or you go to jail.

This same applies to corporations and governments. If a government wants to spend money on something, it needs to get money from somewhere. It can raise taxes (so people pay now), or inflate currency (so everyone with money pays), or incur debt (so everyone will pay later), but no matter what happens, SOMEBODY eventually pays.

Paying for something now yourself is much more honest than making your children pay after you're gone.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/10


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\\So do not equate your religion that FORCES and Takes money to evolve its agenda (i.e. Tax paid Abortions).\\

And we don't have tax paid abortions right now.

But of course, Pastor Jim earlier said that pastors are ignorant, so consider the source.

\\Jesus would never do that but your god tries to mimic our God and lies.\\

Now who's indulging in sectarian squabbles, allanofuk?
---Cluny on 1/22/10


"In this case, Republicans can't call themselves conservative, because the previous Republican administration spent so much money..."-StrongAxe.

Yes, no kidding. I posted earlier that Republican does not automatically translate to Conservative. Bush, McCain and all the other "moderates" have gone of their way at times to behave like liberals. Bush was good on tax cuts in the beginning and pro-life issues. That was about it.

How in the world can you praise Democrats for raising taxes? We are all overtaxed as it is. How can you say they are paying for their spending? Their deficits are 3-4 times Bush's and are projecting huge deficits indefinitely. They aren't paying for anything.
---ralph7477 on 1/22/10


\\ WOW! You can see the passion of Nurse,and Cluny as they defend their faith.\\

Please tell me what faith I defended.

Can you be specific?

\\So I ask again who do they worship?\\

I myself worship Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, incarnate in two natures, two wills, and two energies.

Whom do you worship, Pastor Jim?

||You Cannot be conservative when it comes to the poor and underprivilaged and be a christian
---Francis on 1/22/10||

Bravo, Francis!
---Cluny on 1/22/10


WRONG FRANCIS!

The difference is Liberalism uses the secular government to FORCE people to pay for their causes.

Scripture say INDIVIDUALS give with their HEART.

It is call FREEDOM vs SOCIALISM (AKA Liberalism).

Amercans have been the MOST giving people in History.

So do not equate your religion that FORCES and Takes money to evolve its agenda (i.e. Tax paid Abortions).

Christianity is NEVER forced on anyone. And no one was ever FORCED to give.

Jesus would never do that but your god tries to mimic our God and lies.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/22/10


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I am not sure what you mean by "liberalism,"
But the political term LIBERAL came about because there were politicians who spend money liberally to aide those who were and are unable to help themself.

They set up programs such as Social Security, medicare, and a variety of other programs to help the poor.

Is liberalism a religion?

Not in and of itself, but it is very very biblical:

Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

You Cannot be conservative when it comes to the poor and underprivilaged and be a christian
---Francis on 1/22/10


WOW! You can see the passion of Nurse,and Cluny as they defend their faith.

Satan has always offered the easy way out.

He did so with Adam/Eve. He also tried with our Lord, by letting him know he does not have to go with Gods plan and die on the cross. Satan would give him everything now if he would worship him.

He did it again in the 1960s offering free love and peace on Earth. No need for us to suffer, as Christians do. We can have Heaven on earth. Free love & Total tolerance and acceptance. NO sin. Im okay, you're okay. It was the birth of a NEW religion of humanism. Which MUST save the "Planet" since it is Satans throne. While Gods plan is to Burn it with fire.

So I ask again who do they worship?
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/22/10


It is the politial conservatives who are unchristian in thier thoughts.

They think it is sin to help the poor.

They think it robbery of the tax payer to provide free health care.

They want everyone to carry the same moral, or and religious standards as they.

the Bible says that we can only judge those who are in the church, the rest God judges.

So while it is prefered to have strong moral / biblical standards, it is unbiblical to force those on others.

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
---Francis on 1/22/10


You mean like just like the President and Congress have been doing for the past year?
---ralph7477 on 1/22/10

you mean "years" (pleural) don't you?
---NurseRobert on 1/22/10


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ralph7477:

You said: A person with true conservative principals will work to keep government small, government spending low, and tax rates low.

In this case, Republicans can't call themselves conservative, because the previous Republican administration spent so much money on war and expanded administration (such as the Department of Homeland Security) that they ran up the debt higher than in any previous adminstration in history.

At least the Democrats are honest enough to realize that this costs money and raise taxes to pay for it, rather than spending more and raising less (thus passing debt on to their successors) as the Republicans do.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/10


"conservatives like to spend without taxing, leaving the bills to be taken care of by their successors."-StrongAxe

You mean like just like the President and Congress have been doing for the past year?

A person with true conservative principals will work to keep government small, government spending low, and tax rates low. Why would anybody want it any other way? The answer is money, power, and control. Sounds a lot like what we hear daily from our "leaders".
---ralph7477 on 1/22/10


\\ I believe Liberalism is a Religious Cult. Disguise as a Political believe.\\

Et reliqua.

It sounds to me like you've just made up an entity to aim your prejudices at and are calling this hydra of your own invention "liberalism."
---Cluny on 1/22/10


I believe Liberalism is a Religious Cult. Disguise as a Political believe.
<... Its messiah is in D.C. Its angels reside in San Francisco, its churches are called unversity Its Spiritual lauguage is Political Correctness.
It will accept all other believes except Christainity.
It loves Islam and accepts the way Islam treats woman etc.
But Christainity is its single enemy. ...
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/21/10

Now Jim....is this original? Out of your own grey matter?
Pretty good stuff. You realize the new Islamoinsanity in charge of what used to be Christian West/America will never tolerate it. Straighten up pal and act like a Politically Correct IslamojoodaoChristian. Truth is unacceptable now.
---Trav on 1/22/10


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Its heaven is a Jungle...

WHY? I think we ALL know that answer.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/21/10

Just where do you come up with this claptrap?

I'm curious "pastor" jim.. just what kind of church do you pastor?
---NurseRobert on 1/22/10


\\For some reason the fact that Jesus told us that HIS kingdom is not of this world rings in my ears.
---obewan on 1/21/10\\

Amen, obewan.

And David said, "Put not your trust in princes [politicians], in sons of men [political parties], in whom is NO salvation."
---Cluny on 1/21/10


I believe Liberalism is a Religious Cult. Disguise as a Political believe.

Its heaven is a Jungle (oops Rain Forest) in South America. Its god is Mother Earth, Its high priest is the Dali Lama, Its messiah is in D.C. Its angels reside in San Francisco, its churches are called unversity Its Spiritual lauguage is Political Correctness.

It will accept all other believes except Christainity.

It loves Islam and accepts the way Islam treats woman etc.

But Christainity is its single enemy.

WHY? I think we ALL know that answer.
---PASTOR_JIM on 1/21/10


ralph7477:

One difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals like to tax and spend, while conservatives like to spend without taxing, leaving the bills to be taken care of by their successors.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/10


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"Is liberalism a religion?" Yes. "Religion" is simply a method of worship.
By definition liberalism, in the religious sense, is "a movement in modern Protestantism that emphasizes freedom from tradition and authority, the adjustment of religious beliefs to scientific conceptions, and the development of spiritual capacities," and uses this concept as the basis of it's method of worship.
---Josef on 1/22/10


If liberalism means you get free from traditional Bible understanding and morals, and take it on yourself to decide what the Bible means, you are making yourself your god. So, this would be a religion, in which you are boasting in and glorifying your own self. I know a guy who has said he's a Christian liberal. He has gotten into more than he can handle, of trying to help people. Now he sees he needs to do better to know what he should take on . . . how much, so he doesn't just get wasted with a bunch of different things all getting nowhere. He was making himself god, in his liberalism, possibly, and "god" got into more than "god" could handle. But there is liberalism of not living by the "traditions of men".
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/21/10


The OP question begs another question:

Is "conservatisim" a religion? There are many who post on this site who insist that a person can not be a Democrat and a Christian at the same time.

For some reason the fact that Jesus told us that HIS kingdom is not of this world rings in my ears.
---obewan on 1/21/10


Pastor Jim still has not explained the significance of his question.
---Cluny on 1/21/10


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Liberalism is a movement of people who desire a "liberal" enterpretation of the US Constitution. Liberals aim to replace the "outdated" ideals and rights listed in the Costitution with newer, modern ideals that fit todays society. Since the Constitution was based on Biblical principles, Liberals also desire a very loose enterpretation of the Bible, and likeways wish to replace the "outdated" commandments of the Bible, with newer, fresher ideas to fit modern lifestyles. So in a sense, Liberalism is very anti-Bible.
---Jed on 1/21/10


Nurse, if the republicans in your town are tax and spenders then they are not conservatives. Your town must be full of people who like taxes and spending (liberals) if these guys keep getting elected. This is common among northeast republicans. JFK would have been too conservative to be a northeast republican.

So just to let you know, an "R" by somebody's name does not automatically denote "conservative". McCain is not a conservative which is why he didn't get my vote. Bush 41 and 43 were not really true conservatives either, which is why the republicans almost self destructed.
---ralph7477 on 1/21/10


By general consensus and belief, Republicans are conservatives and the "conservatives" in my town (self proclaimed) are a bunch of tax and spenders.
---NurseRobert on 1/21/10


\\As Winston Churchill once said, "If you are under 30 and not a liberal you have no heart. If you are over 30 and not a conservative you have no brains."\\

Or as my high school history teacher said, today's liberal is tomorrow's conservative.

Another person opined that what is called a liberal in the USA is called a socialist in Europe. US conservatives correspond to European liberals.

And European conservatives have no equivalent in the USA.
---Cluny on 1/21/10


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Nurse, did I mention any political parties? Why would you think a republican can't be liberal?
---ralph7477 on 1/21/10


Friendly Blogger,

Given your personal defintion of 'liberal' I wonder what you think 'friendly' means?
---atheist on 1/21/10


He buys a house and is introduced to high municipal taxes that fund the public schools....
---ralph7477 on 1/21/10

This one is funny. Where I live the town board, the school board, the County executive and the county legislature are all run by republicans. Each year the taxes go higher and highter (since I moved here: county taxes: 40%, town taxes 45%, school taxes over 70%).

The school board sets the agenda, not the teachers. The town spends money on projects we cannot afford. The same republicans get elected year after year

Yeah, its the liberals fault.

"It was standard practice not to pay for things.." Sen Orin Hatch(R)Utah
---NurseRobert on 1/21/10


No Liberalism is not a religion, rather it is an incurable mental malignancy that is highly infectious. When multiple individuals with the malady are in close proximity they take irrational actions that are exceptionally dangerous to the collective society in which they reside.
---Friendly_Blogger on 1/21/10


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F.B., it is curable. The first dose of cure comes when a young person gets his first paycheck and sees how much of his earning have been confiscated.

Then every so often another dose of cure is administered. He works harder to make more money only to find out that he is punished for doing so through higher tax rates. He buys a house and is introduced to high municipal taxes that fund the public schools where the union teachers indoctrinate his kids with liberal doctrine, secular humanism, radical environmentalism, etc.

As Winston Churchill once said, "If you are under 30 and not a liberal you have no heart. If you are over 30 and not a conservative you have no brains."
---ralph7477 on 1/21/10


\\When multiple individuals with the malady are in close proximity they take irrational actions that are exceptionally dangerous to the collective society in which they reside.\\

Irrational attitudes can be seen along all points of any spectrum--even on these blogs.
---Cluny on 1/21/10


That's a non-question.

Can you be more specific and say WHAT kind of liberalism? Political? Theological? Governmental?

According to 18th century standards, the Declaration of Independence was VERY liberal.
---Cluny on 1/21/10


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