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How do you feel about Burger King selling beer? It is starting in Miami, Florida.

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Germany used to have extremely strict drunk driving laws. When I was there in 1975, the law was that one would lose their license for life on a first offense. I am not sure what they are these days. Germans did not play with drunk driving the way it has been here in the U.S.
---Trish9863 on 2/25/10


In Germany, the gas stations on the Autobann sell it from coin-op vending machines along with the Coke. No ID required!

That is very interesting considering that the Autobahn has virtually no speed limit and very few fatalities. Why is that? Maybe it's because Europeans have a great deal more common sense than Americans. We can learn a lot from the Germans and their efficient ways.
---Lewis on 2/24/10


Hi Trish, I'm sooooo glad you said what you did, it's so true that people tend to treat alcoholics as lesser people and it is such a shame! My fiancee is an alcoholic and breaking my heart to see him struggle, but he is no less a man than a non-alcoholic, in fact, he is wonderful. I am glad you are a voice of reason, God bless. :)
---Mary on 2/23/10


Obewan: No ID is required because there is no drinking age in Germany, or at least there was not one when I was there in high school. We were served without question.

There is a huge difference between responsible drinking and alcoholism. As an alcoholic, I do not drink. Yet, I would not hinder my one son from enjoying a beer when we go out for dinner, as he is not an alcoholic. My younger son is another story. He has a history of addiction.

Alcoholism/addiction is a problem that must be dealt with from a mental health perspective, not a punitive perspective, unless the alcoholic committed a crime while under the influence. To treat an alcoholic rudely, or harshly, is not loving your neighbor as yourself.
---Trish9863 on 2/23/10




Why don't we go to the "My Husband Is Out Drinking" blog and ask, "Who cares?"
---Elder on 2/23/10


When I was in Spain, McDonald's sold beer. So what?
---Trish9863 on 2/23/10

The Eurpoeans have always been liberal with the beer vending.

In Germany, the gas stations on the Autobann sell it from coin-op vending machines along with the Coke. No ID required!
---obewan on 2/23/10


When I was in Spain, McDonald's sold beer. So what?
---Trish9863 on 2/23/10


Mary, I can empathize with you (there are a few alkies in my family) Wonderful people when they are sober! AA has turned many around to lead useful sober lives.
If your fiance' is not trying to kick the habit, you're in for a rough ride! Nagging them doesn't help ,(or smokers either)they have to "want" to quit!
I was so proud of my son when I accompanied him to an AA meeting.Unfortunately it didn't last, he went back to the booze,homeless somewhere!
Now I shiver whenever they find an unidentified body!
You can encourage,plead,beg, warn, but not make someone else's choices!
---1st_cliff on 2/14/10


Elder, I have sympathy for both the victims and the alcoholics too. You see, I not only have an alcoholic fiancee I love deeply, but I also lost my brother to a drunk man in '81, so I have seen both sides of the issue, and neither one is pretty, that's for sure! It's brutally painful for both sides.
---Mary on 2/14/10




Rhonda, please tell us the addiction that you need healing for. It always surprises me how the "addicted" commit gross error against the innocent and there are bleeding hearts that tell us to comfort the one in error. Are we to forget the victims? Should we comfort them? Where are the programs for them?
God didn't indicate that drunkenness is a "poor choice." He called it sin. Of course I understand why you wouldnt want to do that. It may offend a drunk. I have professionally dealt with drunks since 1976. There is no hope from the "Candy coating smooth talkers" for them.
---Elder on 2/13/10


Mary I also see the victims of the drunkard. I think about the daughter of Hasselholf and the embarrassment he, and others like him, bring to the families.
*****

then by your very own words YOU are higher than God because poor CHOICES have caused embarrassment?

where is perfection in Holy Word of God?

So then all alcohol should be banned because many do NOT responsibility?

do we take food away from the fat person - the ones who EAT themselves into oblivion?

what about FORCING food on an anorexic person

God heals but NOT all people will seek God to heal them of their affliction

prohibition didn't work ...just like the "war on drugs" isn't working
---Rhonda on 2/13/10


Elder, You're painting with a very wide brush! Not everyone who enjoys a drink is a "drunkard"
I seldom drink (my father was an alcoholic) but if we are in Mexico or the Caribbean I enjoy the odd Pina Colada.
In Europe ,especially France, they have wine every dinner. There are fewer alcoholics there than here!
Do you imagine that Jesus didn't have a sip at the wedding feast?? (they called Him a "wine bibber")
Hey,moderation in "all" things.
I knew a man who drank 18 bottles of coca-cola every day for 30 years!
---1st_cliff on 2/13/10


Mary I also see the victims of the drunkard. I think about the daughter of Hasselholf and the embarrassment he, and others like him, bring to the families.
Drunkardness is a self-inflicted sickness/wound. The simple fix is to abstain. Yet the simple ones seek it again early. The drinker must help themselves by fleeing the drink. Yet, the selfish attidue causes the drinker to stay in the pit that they dug by themselves that hurt all around them. They serve themselves while their loved ones watch them destroy themselves and die. The ones that love these people are the ones that really suffer.
(Now just watch the bees humm and buzz at these statements.)
---Elder on 2/7/10


The Bible commands us to purchase wine & strong drink if the place of the tithe is too far away.

Deut. 14:24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the LORD your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God chooses, to set his name there, then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the LORD your God chooses and spend the money for whatever you desire-oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.
---Lee1538 on 2/7/10


Good point about the strong drink being a mocker. But when I look at a drunk, I see a sad man (or woman) who is in desperate need of prayer. I see my fiancee who is struggling to quit drinking. I see a real child in need--that's what I see.
---Mary on 2/7/10


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Mary I am glad you feel that way about Hasselholf. The Bible teaches that strong drink is the mocker. Read Prov. 23:29-35 and remember that David or no one should even look at the fermented drink.
By the way, I explained what I thought about each time I pictured a drunk with a burger. What do you think about?
---Elder on 2/6/10


Elder, David Hasselhoff is a sick man. He's in need of prayer and compassion, not mocking.
---Mary on 2/6/10


Humm.... I thought the idea came from David Hasselholf of Bay Watch.
That is what I picture each time I think of this issue.
Yep, good 'ol Daved in a drunken stuper, laying half dressed in the floor trying to choke down a greasy burger while talking to Kit his long time car friend.
He will be the poster child for Burger/Beer King saying, "Go ahead and be an example for your children Like I am for mine."
---Elder on 2/5/10


>How do you feel about Burger King selling beer?

I came up with that idea back in 1998 when I worked for them. They're a mite slow, but their catching on to their market.
---djconklin on 2/4/10


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Burger king would not sell beer if people did not buy it. Drug dealers would not sell drugs if there was not a market. The problem is in people, they make the Market. The lust of their flesh must be fulfilled. The world is here and Christians must come out and be separate. The world will never end until the last person comes out and lives for Jesus.
People are the world and they make the world to exist. Jesus came at the end of the world and all that truly in Christ live in the kingdom of God and the world is ended for them.
We are in the world but we are not of the world. Those who are one with the Father and the Son are the only ones that the world will believe and be saved.
---exzucuh on 2/1/10


the real problem is being in the world ,but not of the world.As a christian, the places where beer is bought and sold is really of no issue to me,unless a beer salesman comes to my home or neighborhood and attempts to sale it to minors.Living in a secular world,with secular responses and decisions being ,and by everyone around me,on every issue you can think of including political,child raising,economic,marriage,job,relationships
just name something and most people give no thought to the word of God in their thought processes.Why? because it interfers with the world,the flesh,the lusts of the flesh.
---tom2 on 2/1/10


Besides, whoppers and beer just don't go well together.
---Lewis on 1/28/10

Good point but what about fish and fries?
---obewan on 1/28/10


Last I heard, the legal drinking age in this country is 21. So I don't think minors will be able to buy beer at BK. If that happens, then that particular franchise will be shut down. I don't see it as a problem. It's no different than 7-11 selling alcohol. Besides, whoppers and beer just don't go well together.
---Lewis on 1/28/10


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Good point, Strong Axe.

I'd love to ask Newt Gingrich, for example, whic marriage he's trying to defend: his first, his second, or his third.
---Cluny on 1/27/10


tom2:

You are absolutely right! This is a typical example of conservatives (both political and religious) "choking on gnats while swallowing camels".

Another example is all the hysteria about "sanctity of marriage" issues (being pushed most vocally by pastors and politicians who themselves have been divorced and/or had affairs), but virtual silence from these same people about the issue of divorce, which is the greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage, since about 50% of American marriages (including Christian ones) end in divorce.
---StrongAxe on 1/27/10


\\And the fundamentalists often insist that the wine back in the days of Christ was merely grape juice. These people will be the first to find themselves on the floor at the marriage supper of the Lamb, when the best of all wines is served.\\

The grape harvest was in mid-August through September.

Without refrigeration or pasteurization, grape juice will do one of two things, and nether of them is remaining simple grape juice.

Besides, when you crush grapes, you ALWAYS get wine, because fermentation starts immediately.
---Cluny on 1/27/10


I have none,at all.The world sell drugs on every corner in the big cities,along with sex,and you can buy cigarettes everywhere,and half the politicians are corrupt,some like that governor that tried to sell a seat in congress to the highest bidder,people murdering,or stealing from each other,people marrying ,and divorcing for all the wrong reasons,and on ,and on,and on,so just how important is burger king in the grand scheme of things?
---tom2 on 1/27/10


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I will tell you one thing I found out when I was diagnosed with a Cardiomyopathy 11 years ago,beer,alcohol,have cobalt in them,which can if taken to access cause the aforementioned illness,but burger kings food can kill you,so can cigarettes,so can crossing the road in front of a tractor trailer.
---tom2 on 1/27/10


You are right on all points, StrongAxe. In keeping in context with Wivv's earlier statement, I specified my comments to children, but in reality it applies to all.
---AlwaysOn on 1/26/10


AlwaysOn:

That may be true, but it would apply to everyone, not just children. Remember that public corporations in the U.S. are required by law to be look out for the best interests of their shareholders. They are NOT required to do so for their employees or consumers (except as required by law: for example minimum wages, consumer protection laws, etc.). When human beings act in a totally selfish manner, totally disregarding the concerns of others, we call them sociopathic. Yet our laws require that corporations behave like this - and then we complain when they do exactly that.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/10


StrongAxe, you asked what my statements about the unhealthy menu at Burger King have to do with children. They were directed to Wivv's comment about Burger King not caring for children and only caring for their bottom line. I was underscoring this point by suggesting that, even prior to serving beer, they didn't care for children and only cared for their bottom line, as their menu does more harm to children than good. Read Obewan's spot on statements about childhood diabetes, etc.

Yes, you are right, people who want healthier choices can go elsewhere or cook at home. I advocate they do EXACTLY that. Further, those who don't want to drink beer or expose their children to beer drinkers can do the same.
---AlwaysOn on 1/26/10


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Elder, All the better (upscale) restaurants in our area (yours too I'm sure) offer alcoholic drinks on the menu.
Serve it to a minor and there'll be a padlock on the door!
Just 'cause they sell it doesn't mean you have to buy it!
A fella went into a local bar and ordered a glass of "milk", all eyes turned to see who this wimp was, but he quickly said "in a dirty glass"!
---1st_cliff on 1/26/10


obewan//And for the teetotalers, I think grapes might work, but it taks a whole lot of them to equal one glass of wine in terms of heart health.

And the fundamentalists often insist that the wine back in the days of Christ was merely grape juice. These people will be the first to find themselves on the floor at the marriage supper of the Lamb, when the best of all wines is served.
---Lee1538 on 1/26/10


I don't recall beer ever causing clogged arteries.

Get real.
---Gary on 1/25/10

The opposite is true, but actually, wine is even more healthy than beer.

And for the teetotalers, I think grapes might work, but it taks a whole lot of them to equal one glass of wine in terms of heart health.
---obewan on 1/25/10


Which is worse for your body - one beer, or one bacon-cheese burger with lots of mayo, an order of fries, and a soda?

Actually, one order of fries, or one burger is probably much worse for you than one beer.

I don't recall beer ever causing clogged arteries.

Get real.
---Gary on 1/25/10


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I got a good laugh out of that Seg. :)

How do I "feel?" I don't really care what they sell. We live in a free market society.

If we had a church/state system, we could have a religious board decide what we could drink and how much. ummm...
---Rod4Him on 1/25/10


if thatwas all we have to worry about is what BK is selling thing would be great but it's not less get real!!there people that needs us to life them and stop worring about nic-nac things and save some soles!!
---Dan on 1/25/10


The "fast food" at Burger King is probably WORSE than "beer". Seriously.

Everyone worries about the "alcohol" in beer. Mostly just empty calories. As long as you don't drink too much and get drunk, you'll live.

Fast food is tasty, full of high-fat additives, and just not healthy for anyone. Children or Adults. Obesity, high cholesterol, etc. are often the result of eathing too much Fast Food. Bill Clinton suffered for eating too many cheeseburgers.

I'd stay away from Burger King and other Fast Food joints.
---Sag on 1/25/10


Selling beer or any alcoholic beverage at Burger King where I live simply would not work at all as one would all too easily have problems with the DWI laws in this state.

We led the nation in DWI deaths and accidents but have the strictest laws.
---Lee1538 on 1/25/10


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AlwaysOn:

What does this have to do with children? Federal law forbids selling alcohol to children in any case.

Also, the very concept of fast food is food that can be prepared quickly - and that is generally fried food.

The American public is always obsessed with rushing here and there, so there is huge demand for food that can be prepared and served quickly. The fast food chains merely cater to a demand that is already there. If people want healthier food for themselves and their children, they can either eat at sit-down restaurants (which is more expensive), or cook at home (which is cheaper).
---StrongAxe on 1/25/10


If enough people don't like it, stop going there, then the owners (sic) wiuld (sic) get the idea.
---catherine

Did you read any of the other posts and are you following this discussion or did you just blast your condemnation "shooting from the hip"?

Maybe you should boycott your local grocery store. I hope you don't get too hungry!

In all fairness, I already boycott them due to heart health reasons. Maybe I should stop in now for just one beer for heart health sake. There are only a VERY FEW locations though that are going to offer it, and they are bars and not regular BK family restaurants.

Do you ever go out to eat at a restaurant that serves beer and wine? I bet you do. What is the difference?
---obewan on 1/25/10


Well, I'm not surprise! Everything is going to the dogs. If enough people don't like it, stop going there, then the owners wiuld get the idea. Dah!
---catherine on 1/25/10


I'm not being funny, but we should have known Burger King doesn't care about children and only about their bottom line from the food they sell full of hormones, high fructose corn syrup, sugar and artificial additives.
---AlwaysOn on 1/25/10---------------------
Right on! I forgot to even mention that.

Childhood obesity is an epidemic problem now. We have kids with heart disease and diabetes by age 12.

Some high schools used to have fast food vendors but most of them have been kicked out in recent years. They also took out the pop machines in some schools.

Just one beer is good for heart health. Too much pop is bad for heart health.
---obewan on 1/25/10


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\\By the way, is it a sin to NOT drink alcohol or smoke?\\

The Pharisee of the Lord's parable claimed special standing with God on the basis of what he would NOT do, too.

It might be, if you considered alcohol or tobacco evil in themselves.
---Cluny on 1/25/10


Elder:

The Bible never mentions beer. And when it mentions wine, it constantly warns of the dangers of drunkenness, but in some cases actually recommends wine (for an upset stomach), and even strong drink (for the terminally ill).
---StrongAxe on 1/25/10


"It tells me Burger King is NOT concerned about kids but only the bottom line... It would be great if people would protest against Burger King..." ~Wivv

I'm not being funny, but we should have known Burger King doesn't care about children and only about their bottom line from the food they sell full of hormones, high fructose corn syrup, sugar and artificial additives. Children need good nutrition, the likes of which aren't offered at Burger King or other fast food joints. If we're going to protest anything, let's start by protesting the poison they pass off as a kid's meal. In all honesty, the beer probably has more nutritional value. NOT recommending beer for children or anyone else, but I'm just saying.
---AlwaysOn on 1/25/10


Disgusting! It tells me Burger King is NOT concerned about kids but only the bottom line of their profits. It would be great if people would protest against Burger King, plus write Burger King to protest this move.
---wivv on 1/24/10
You have made the WRONG assumption that this will impact the regular "family" resturants.

The evening news made it clear that the beer will be served in "bars" that also sell Whoppers, and only in a FEW locations.

I am not even sure children would be allowed into "bars". They may card at the door.

Does your grocery store sell beer? Should we protest that too?
---obewan on 1/24/10


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"European evangelicals do not share this taboo against tobacco or alcohol"
Cluney
Yea, you are right. Also a lot of "European (and American) "evangelicals" see nothing wrong about running around on their wives and husbands either. So I guess as long as we have Europe to set personal standards we can just forget the Bible, huh?
By the way, is it a sin to NOT drink alcohol or smoke?
Ol' Al Scarface saw nothing wrong with gunning people down in cold blood either. Happy Valintine's day.
---Elder on 1/24/10


Don't care. If you want a beer with your burger, have one.
is it safe to say the drunkards will be for it and the sober against it?
That assumes everyone who drinks is a drunkard. The answer is NO, you can't assume that.

Have we gone so far as to determine what is right or wrong by what some other countries do? Other countries burn bibles and kill those who trust Christ.
No, but you assume that what we are doing is right and the other countries are wrong. And countries burning bibles and killing Christians also kill those who drink.

One drink influences behaivor.
Disagree

Or maybe you gotta be drunk to endure the taste of Burger King food.
THAT is very possible.
---NurseRobert on 1/24/10


I would think a beer with a burger and fries is too heavy. Perhaps a light white wine would be more appropriate, unlike the dark heavy wines we enjoy during communions. And just like some people abuse communion, so do people abuse beer and wine. That's the real problem with alcohol. In the proper context I have to agree with Ben Franklin, "beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
---Buck on 1/24/10


Cluny I didn't ask for a debate or how I wanted you to feel. How you read that is strange.
But... is it safe to say the drunkards will be for it and the sober against it?
Have we gone so far as to determine what is right or wrong by what some other countries do? Other countries burn bibles and kill those who trust Christ. Should we advocate that also?
Then there is, "How drunk is drunk? One drink influences behaivor. Is that drunk or do you think drunk is when you can't walk?
Or maybe you gotta be drunk to endure the taste of Burger King food.
---Elder on 1/24/10


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Disgusting! It tells me Burger King is NOT concerned about kids but only the bottom line of their profits. It would be great if people would protest against Burger King, plus write Burger King to protest this move.
---wivv on 1/24/10


You are assumming two wrongs make a right! If it were up to me, I'd take beer out of ball parks!
---wivv on 1/24/10


On the other, we usually expect drunk people to come out of bars and ABC stores, not burger places. I hope the people around there are aware and try to drive defensively if someone comes out of there drunk.
****

so how do you drive??

bars almost every street corner in many suburban cities - even selling burgers too

family and chain restaurants all sell beer and mixed drinks (aka hard liquor) - they sell burgers

what about those people coming from family and friends home gatherings? - could have a burger at a barbeque

what about country clubs and banquet halls where weddings birthday anniversary parties are held?

does it matter that burgerking sells beer?
---Rhonda on 1/24/10


No one stays away from the baseball stadium because they sell beer.
But thankfully in paper cups so no one gets hurt from bottle throwers!
---1st_cliff on 1/24/10


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\\So in Germany all the McDonalds sell beer. Many chain resturants sell beer and wine.\\

The "Thou shalt not drink" attitude is found only among American evangelicals.

European evangelicals do not share this taboo against tobacco or alcohol, as Corrie ten Boom's books show, and as Southern Baptists learned to their embarassment when they went to help Spanish Baptists.
---Cluny on 1/24/10


I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, the Bible just says not to get drunk. On the other, we usually expect drunk people to come out of bars and ABC stores, not burger places. I hope the people around there are aware and try to drive defensively if someone comes out of there drunk.
---amand6348 on 1/23/10


If I go to Burger King, it would be for a burger, and perhaps an orange juice.
---Eloy on 1/24/10


"How do you feel about Burger King selling beer?"
I do not "feel" one way or the other. That is Burger King's business. I say no harm, no foul. I am sure that they will be bound by the same rules required by all establishments that sell beer. In other words, anyone over 21 can purchase beer with his Whopper, anyone under that age will have to settle for a soft drink or shake:o)
---Josef on 1/24/10


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It's okay Elder if it's Budweiser, the "King" of beers! You certainly can have tea with your burger if you like. I like Sprite. :)
---Leon on 1/23/10


Before anyone panics and calls for a nationwide boycott some facts are in order.

It will only be a few select locations in resort areas and it is more a case of a bar selling Whoppers.

So in Germany all the McDonalds sell beer. Many chain resturants sell beer and wine.

If you don't drink you are not going to be forced to buy it.

My grocery store sells beer and wine and even hard liquor and it has not hurt me one bit.
---obewan on 1/23/10


I think it's not cool but if people want it, it's their right to buy it. Kind of takes away from the "family" atmosphere though, still it's between the individual and God.
---Mary on 1/23/10


How do you want us to feel?

I don't have to buy beer if I don't want to, do I?
---Cluny on 1/23/10


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