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Keys Of The Kingdom Of Heaven

Matthew 16:19, "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
What does this Scripture refer to? Any thing or what?

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"The keys of the kingdom": This means that Peter would have the right to enter the kingdom himself, would have general authority therein, symbolized the possession of the keys, and preaching the gospel would be the means of opening the Kingdom of Heaven TO ALL BELIEVERS and SHUTTING IT AGAINST UNBELIEVERS...."Bind and loose": The expression were common in Jewish legal phraseology meaning to declare forbidden or to declare allowed. Peter and the other disciples were to continue on earth the work of Christ in preaching the gospel and declaring God's will to men. [and that's the problem we are having today, most men don't care about God's will], and were with the same authority as He Himself possessed.
---catherine on 2/6/10


Keys of hell and death:Holy Name alone delivers you from.
Rom6:23
For the wages of sin death'but the gift of God-eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our Lord.
Christ resurrection:Lk20-25,Act4:2,Rom1:4
Rev 1:18
I He That liveth,was dead,behold I AM alive for evermore,AMEN,and have the keys of hell and death.
Heb9:15-16
And for this cause He is the Mediator of the new testament,that by means of DEATH,for redemption of the transgressions under the first testament,they which ARE CALLED might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
where a testament there must of necessity be the DEATH of the testator.
For a testament of force after MEN are DEAD:otherwise it is of NO strenght at all while the testator liveth.
---char on 2/5/10


God Declares the end from the beginning,whosoever believe God-study HIS WORD from the Beginning to End and see deception declared in the end:Is46:9-10
These things spoken of and written down by the prophets:
Ex17:14,Ex34:4,Ex34:27,Num5:23,Num17:2-3,Deut6:7,Deut10:2,Deut:2,Deut11:20.

Keys of the Kingdom:
The Holy Spirit with us now-unlocks the door to wisdom- by the Holy Name-to enter HIS Throne:BoldlyHeb 4:16
Jn17:11
And now I AM no more in the world,but these are in the world,and I come to Thee.Holy Father,keep through THINE OWN NAME those whom THOU hast given Me,that they may be ONE as WE are ONE.
Not a church or man.
Jn6:37-44
no man come to the Son(WORD) unless the Father draw him.
---char on 2/5/10


Shawn* -- Ruben :

Brother, While there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written : all of those books could be rightly divided with one another by comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

BTW ~ Your previous statement of "I do not believe in Bible Alone but instead in the Word of God alone", is an "OXYMORON", b/c the Bible is the God's Word !!

And as you just quoted, not eveything that he said was written because there would be not enough books to contain ..
---Ruben on 2/4/10


Ruben, I've answered all your questions, so there no need to continue posting until this thread closes out, unless you have something new to share ?? If not, all that's let to share is ...

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 2/3/10

Thanks for your time and I am sure we will run into each other again on another subject.

God Bless you!
---Ruben on 2/4/10




-- Ruben :

Brother, Excuse me !! It not an oxymoron, it was just a redundant thing to say.
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/4/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, While there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written : all of those books could be rightly divided with one another by comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

BTW ~ Your previous statement of "I do not believe in Bible Alone but instead in the Word of God alone", is an "OXYMORON", b/c the Bible is the God's Word !!

Ruben, I've answered all your questions, so there no need to continue posting until this thread closes out, unless you have something new to share ?? If not, all that's let to share is ...

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 2/3/10


ShawnM.T.* -- Ruben FYI~No one said "WHATEVER" they share is not important. Trust the Spirit to teach you the Truth, not them.

I have, and the keys were given to Peter by Jesus but unlike you I do not believe in Bible Alone but instead in (the Word of God alone).
Which by the way comes to us from Christ and the Apostles through both the written and oral tradition (2 Thess 2:15), which he(Jesus) has given to the Church that is built upon the rock of Peter (Matt. 16:18:19)
Remember the church is the pillar and ground of the truth.(1 Tim 3:15)
---Ruben on 2/3/10


ShawnM.T.* Ruben, Rightly dividing Matt.16:18-19 reveals its Truth when compared with Deu.32:3-4 ... but your early fathers didn't rightly divided it by trying to compare it with Isa.22:20-22, which speaks of a completely different Key !!

Lets compare and see:

Isa 20:22 "And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder,"

Matt 16:19 "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven"

Isa 20:22 " so he shall open, and none shall shut, and he shall shut, and none shall open"

Matt 16:19 " and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Almost word for word!
---Ruben on 2/3/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, Actually your original question was "Does not Jesus give the Keys to Peter in Matt.16:18", but I already answered it that same day.

So, moving on ...

We've received God's Spirit which teaches by comparing spiritual things with spiritual, that we might know the things freely given to us of God : like receiving Christ who is the Keys to Heaven.

Ruben, Rightly dividing Matt.16:18-19 reveals its Truth when compared with Deu.32:3-4 ... but your early fathers didn't rightly divided it by trying to compare it with Isa.22:20-22, which speaks of a completely different Key !!

FYI~No one said "WHATEVER" they share is not important. Trust the Spirit to teach you the Truth, not them.
---ShawnM.T. on 2/3/10




Shawn.M.T.* Brother, The "Truth" is the infallible interpretation of Scriptures, and this is where the Holy Spirit Guides us, but b/c your trusting solely in your early protestant fathers, over what you've called a confused Spirit, you're being led else where in this matter.

Did Jesus give the "Keys" to Peter or to all followers, is the Question? The Spirit of Truth is for in this case both of us, but we disagree in the verse. How is anyone going to know if he did or not. Going by the Bible only does not work in this case, unless you are telling me that the Spirit of Truth only applys to you and our infallible interpretation of scripture! FYI I go with the Early Church Fathers and not Protestants Father...
---Ruben on 2/3/10


The resolve of any one who lacks the Faith to Trust God's Grace is sufficient, when He guaranteed we'll be Guided into all Truth once the Spirit of Truth has come, should aways be questioned : revealing their disbelief in the Doctrine of His Word.
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/3/10


But the Spirit of truth does not only mean what is written down .

Jesus no where tell the Apostles to write everything he said.

Jesus never says that our Christian faith will be based soley on just books.

To say that whatever the Early Church Fathers taught is not important is puzzling.

How do you think we have the Bible, about the Trinity and incarnation and Sunday as the new worship day. None of those words are in the books.
---Ruben on 2/3/10


-- Ruben :

//// God did not guarantee the Holy Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures! ////

Brother, The "Truth" is the infallible interpretation of Scriptures, and this is where the Holy Spirit Guides us, but b/c your trusting solely in your early protestant fathers, over what you've called a confused Spirit, you're being led else where in this matter.

The resolve of any one who lacks the Faith to Trust God's Grace is sufficient, when He guaranteed we'll be Guided into all Truth once the Spirit of Truth has come, should aways be questioned : b/c clearly they're revealing their disbelief in the Doctrine of His Word. Which means they're putting their trust in man's doctrine !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/3/10


BTW ~ The word "docking" in the last paragraph of my previous post was supposed to be typed "Knocking", as in Matt.7:7-8. Thanks for sharing and allowing others to share toward our edification in the Lord !!
---ShawnM.T. on 2/3/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, A lack of Faith to Trust in John 16:13 is why your resolve, to Believe the Bible's Doctrine, is in question.

You fear & worry about losing your trust in what the early protestants did, more than Trusting & Fearing the Lord which is Wisdom or departing from their evil which is Understanding. Job 28:28

Deu.32:3-4 says Publish the Name of the Lord, He is the Rock : and in Matt.16:18 Jesus is revealing this about Himself "The Christ" to His Disciples !!

Ruben, Until you yourself start seeking & docking, with ears to Hear, and stop putting your trust in man over the Lord as your Rock of Salvation upon which God built His Church, the Truth of the Bible's Doctrine will not be seen by you.
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/2/10


Shwan* whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world & build their doctrine upon its rocks of men, is the enemy of God

And you believe in doctrine of men:

The Doctrine of Bible Alone:

It is because of this Doctrine we have so many different interpretation of scripture!

You mention that (I question the resolve of anyone who thinks God didn't guarantee when the Spirit of Truth comes, we'll be guided unto all Truth. John 16:13)

Not sure how you get that this means the Holy Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures.

Just looks at the blogs alone how so many have different interpretation of scripture and all claiming that have that Spirit of Truth...
---Ruben on 2/2/10


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Reuben, ok, feed means minister, and minister means what?
---Rod4Him on 2/2/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, Your answer is found in the last paragraph of my previous post !!

Ye ask, and receive not, b/c ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts that war in your members. Your protestant fathers have corrupted themselves in this matter, their spot is not the spot of God's Children. The friendship of the world is enmity with God ... whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world & build their doctrine upon its rocks of men, is the enemy of God.

The doctrine that shall drop as the rain, publishes & ascribes the greatness of God's Church unto the name of our LORD Christ Jesus. He is the Rock b/c His Work is Perfect, all His Ways are Judgment in Truth without iniquity, just and right. Due.32:2-6
---ShawnM.T. on 2/2/10


You still didn't defineYou still didn't define "feed." What is your definition of "feed?"

//To "feed my sheep" which mean all including the Apostles who were there when Jesus told Peter and only Peter to feed his sheep// Rueben

Sorry, I did't follow this statement of yours.
---Rod4Him on 2/1/10


To feed my sheep (Minister to), he also said to tend my sheep and the Greek word is (poimane) which translate to "rule"...
---Ruben on 2/2/10


Shawn.M.T. -- Ruben :

//// we have a confuse Spirit of truth ////

Brother, God's is not the author of confusion !!

Everyone Sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise unto Salvation has received Christ, the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, who is our Foundational Rock that is the Corner Stone & Head of God's Church which the builders rejected.

The Spirit of Truth tells you that everyone received the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and the same Spirit of Truth tells me and others that in Mtt 16:19 that only Peter received the keys. Which one is correct and Why?
---Ruben on 2/2/10


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-- Ruben :

//// we have a confuse Spirit of truth ////

Brother, God's is not the author of confusion !!

Everyone Sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise unto Salvation has received Christ, the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, who is our Foundational Rock that is the Corner Stone & Head of God's Church which the builders rejected.

Ruben, Only your early protestant fathers & those who follow them, are in disagreement with the scriptures Gospel of Jesus as our Rock of Salvation upon which God has built His Church, where the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Their confusion stem from their lust(James 4:1-4) of wanting to build their house upon St. Peter as the only man to receive(Christ) the Keys to Heaven.
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/1/10


For those of you who believe that the original KJV bible is hard to understand is a little on the lazy side. Most, if not all, students learned a foreign language while in middle school or high schoolas did most of you. If you did, learning Old English should be a snap.

Besides, a person would understand scriptures better if they had the best instructor around - the Holy spirit.

I was a California state certified business instructor and student counselor at a Los Angeles college. I would suggest to the new students to study the author's use of sentences and vocabulary for the first three chapters, after that, the rest of the textbook would be a lot easier to understand.
---Steveng on 2/1/10


Shawn.M.T* -- Ruben :

//// God did not guarantee the Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures ////

Brother, I question the resolve of anyone who thinks God didn't guarantee when the Spirit of Truth comes, we'll be guided unto all Truth. John 16:13

Then we have a confuse Spirit of truth because we have so many different interpretation of scriptures.

Shawn.M.T* Ruben, While Peter grew to be a rock among the community of the Church, he's not the Foundational Rock upon which God has built His Church nor does he hold the only Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven !! God Bless

Then you disagree with scripture, again tell me why our interpretation of scriptures is correct?
---Ruben on 2/1/10


-- Ruben :

//// God did not guarantee the Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures ////

Brother, I question the resolve of anyone who thinks God didn't guarantee when the Spirit of Truth comes, we'll be guided unto all Truth. John 16:13

Your early protestant fathers have lead you astray by getting you to think only they can interpret scriptures for you. Your concern with not abandoning your trust in their private interpretation is your curse to bear. Jer.17:5 ... and I pray for you.

Ruben, While Peter grew to be a rock among the community of the Church, he's not the Foundational Rock upon which God has built His Church nor does he hold the only Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven !! God Bless
---Shawn.M.T on 2/1/10


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Reuben, the reason a record would be needed is because people, such as yourself, would base a theology that Paul was in distinct error. However, saying that, one does have to conclude what the reason Paul had Timothy circumcised, which the best explanation is he was being all things to all people that he might win some. It's your assumption that Paul and Peter were doing the same things for the same reason with no scripture to back up your opinion.

You still didn't define "feed." What is your definition of "feed?"

//To "feed my sheep" which mean all including the Apostles who were there when Jesus told Peter and only Peter to feed his sheep// Rueben

Sorry, I did't follow this statement of yours.
---Rod4Him on 2/1/10


cont'
Simon/Peter was given the revelation from Holy Spirit.Peter did not use his own wisdom.
Saul/Paul was binded first stripped of all he knew as truth his eyes opened and then saw:Truth.
The Revelation is what Saves:Christ,Almighty God in Flesh,and ONLY way to receive the revelation from Father in Heaven.
Jn6:43
The enemy deverts the attention from this Truth.
Mankind has it's language,God through his Word and the Holy Spirit has His own.
Stand on it.The Foundation is solid.
---char on 2/1/10


Key words...
The revelation comes from the Holy Spirit:
not of man.

What was revealed to Peter[rock] came from the the Holy Spirit who is [God-Rock] and upon This [Rock-God],God is building His Church-His Word[Christ]:the ONLY foundation.
There is no other Name,and there is no other Mediator:but ONE.

If one does not see it:God is patient.
Scales over the eyes?...Simon/Paul is a perfect example.Simon was convinced he was following God's truth until confronted by Jesus(YAHusho)-God's plan all along.
God is a jealous God,no other Church name or other man gets ther glory.
YHWH ALONE gets the Glory.
---char on 2/1/10


I missed your point on Paul having Timothy circumcised. Paul had Timothy circumcised so they wouldn't offend the Jews. but I see Paul doing what he did so the Jews would listen.

And what is your definition of "feed?"

Why would you need a record of that, Paul did the same thing that he accused Peter of. Remember it was a conduct issue and not a Doctrinal issue..

And what is your definition of "feed?"

To "feed my sheep" which mean all including the Apostles who were there when Jesus told Peter and only Peter to feed his sheep

Again Peter was the only one call Rock(MT 16:18)
Peter was the only one given Keys (Mt 16:19)
And the only one told to feed my sheep(Jhn 21:15-17)
---Ruben on 2/1/10


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That thou art Peter : upon this Rock{Christ} I{the Father} I{the Father} will give unto thee{plural form, all followers} the Keys{Christ} of the Kingdom of Heaven : whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven & whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
---Shawn.M.T on 1/29/10

Shawn, why would Jesus go from the Apostles " Who do they say I am" to Peter who got it correctly "thou art Rock" and then to all followers and than back to Peter"whatsoever thou bind", Aren't you(thou,Thee)stretching it too much?
---Ruben on 2/1/10


Steveng /Shwan Old English is a more precise language than modern English. "You" in modern English is used both as singular and plural.
---Steveng on 1/30/10

In plain English:
Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being. Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means rock), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. it. And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you forbid[e] on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven"

Hope this helps!
---Ruben on 2/1/10


Reuben, good point that Peter's behavior was in error. And, Yes, Peter knew the Truth, but was not practicing it. umm...Peter needed confronted because by his behavior he was teaching heresy. One teaches statements of faith by their actions.
Let's be straight up, Peter stood condemned, not to be followed at that point. Paul was the one to set Peter straight.

I missed your point on Paul having Timothy circumcised. Paul had Timothy circumcised so they wouldn't offend the Jews. Maybe what you were saying is that Paul was wrong to circumcise Timothy. Maybe...but I see Paul doing what he did so the Jews would listen. There's no record of Peter correcting Paul for this.

And what is your definition of "feed?"
---Rod4Him on 2/1/10


Rod4Him* Reuben, you didn't have a comeback for Paul telling Peter that Peter stood condemned.

This verse has nothing to do with a doctrinal issue but instead a conduct one. Paul was angry with Peter because he was separating himself from the Gentiles during meals. Why the fuss, because it was Peter who infallibly taught that the Gentiles were equal members of the New Covenant. And by the way Paul himself did the same thing when he had Timothy circumized.

Rod4Him* Feeding (sheep), disciplining, teaching, exhorting, confronting, and encouraging to one another are all very similar.

But as I have already mention Peter is the only one told to "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep."
---Ruben on 2/1/10


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Ruben, You should be more concerned with not losing the Trust of your relationship with God's Spirit, than with abandoning where these MEN have led you, b/c the only correct interpretation of God's Word is from His Spirit : and you need no man to teach you !!

---Shawn.M.T on 1/29/10

2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

God did not guarantee the Holy Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures. And that is what you are doing!
---Ruben on 2/1/10


We are fortold the End from the Beginning.
We are fortold there will be another rock.
We are told the foundation of the True Rock is God alone.
God spoke this out...these Words became Flesh...His Words are proven by God alone:Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is Teacher-Who is given and comes to confirm the Word as truth:the agreement.
The Name given to unlock this Wisdom is the
The Holy Name given:YHWH ALEHIM-YAHUSHO.

The Keys to the Kings domain-holds all wisdom:Kingdom
The King has a domain:this is His kingdom.
Only HIS HOLY NAME unlocks the door to HIS KINGDOM given by himself:the HOLY SPIRIT.
HE ALONE GETS THE GLORY.
AMEN.
---char on 1/31/10


Aman ~ StevenG
---Shawn.M.T on 1/31/10


The Key Holder is no other than Jesus Christ Only. As He describes himself he is also the door.
Isiah 22:22, Revelation 3:7
Rev. 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death.

Checking the word Key in the bible...one is refering to KEY OF KNOWLEDGE.

LUKE 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Maybe referring to Knowledge bec. Peter will preach and start the church age at the day of Pentecost 3000 was saved. Those 3000 was loose from Satan, bound in heaven.
---rosalie on 1/31/10


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""Thee" can be used 'Singularly' or 'Plural', Hope this help your Understanding !!"

Old English is a more precise language than modern English. "You" in modern English is used both as singular and plural. The word "you" had replaced "ye" for most plural uses since the 1600s. The Old English "thee", "thou", "thy " and "thine" are second personal singular pronouns which have been replace with the two modern English words: "you" or "your."
---Steveng on 1/30/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, "Thee" can be used 'Singularly' or 'Plural', Hope this help your Understanding !!

Matt.16:16-19 Simon answered, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God and Jesus answered unto him, Blessed art thou Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father, and I{the Father} say also unto thee{singular form}, That thou art Peter : upon this Rock{Christ} I{the Father} will Build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I{the Father} will give unto thee{plural form, all followers} the Keys{Christ} of the Kingdom of Heaven : whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven & whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
---Shawn.M.T on 1/29/10


Reuben, you didn't have a comeback for Paul telling Peter that Peter stood condemned.

I'am probably missing your ecclesiology, but you confirm Paul not building on another's foundation.

You acknowledge Paul seeing Peter, James also, for only 15 days, but with your exclamation marks, you seem to think 15 days is 15 years. Paul was communicating to the Galations his own reliablity was apart from others. Peter went to the Jews, and Paul to the Gentiles.

Feeding (sheep), disciplining, teaching, exhorting, confronting, and encouraging to one another are all very similar.

I know you have your mind made up, but others reading this thread can see the plain-common-sense of the Word.
---Rod4Him on 1/29/10


-- Ruben :

//// To abandon my trust on the Early Protestant is to say our interpretation of scripture is correct over these men! ////

Brother, Thus saith the LORD, Cursed be the man that trust in man, whose heart departs from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

Ruben, You should be more concerned with not losing the Trust of your relationship with God's Spirit, than with abandoning where these MEN have led you, b/c the only correct interpretation of God's Word is from His Spirit : and you need no man to teach you !!

I{the Father} will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their Hearts, and they shall not teach every man his neighbor and brother, saying, Know the Lord : for all shall know Me. Heb.8:10-11
---Shawn.M.T on 1/29/10


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The Keys are the two commandments Jesus spoke of - to love God and to love your neighbor.

Once a person gains knowledge about God, then all other things will fall into place: the Love of God, the desire to repent, the baptism of water, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Most christians stop at the water baptism.

Loving all others above yourself is true love. Most christians today know that they should love, but don't know how. Scripture is full of examples of how we should treat others. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "ecourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk denominational churches dish out.
---Steveng on 1/29/10


Ruben, Read the whole conversation without picking through it, and abandon your trust in the world's scholarly wisdom, while continue in the Wisdom that is the Fear of the Lord which leads unto the Understanding of His Word : I'll do the same !!! God Bless
---Shawn.M.T. on 1/28/10

I do not just pick and choose a verse, I explain each verse.

To abandon my trust on the Early Church Fathers and most Protestant is to say that our interpretation of scripture is correct over these men! God Bless you told...
---Ruben on 1/29/10


It is confounding and wrong to believe that Almighty God the omnipotent one would choose a weak human being(Peter) who will later deny him at his crucifixion to build his church on.

---mima on 1/29/10


The Almighty God choose weak men like Moses who was not allow to enter the promised land, Noah who was a drunk, David who was a murder and a adultress and Judas who betray him and then Peter and the apostles who left him at the cross!
---Ruben on 1/29/10


Rod4Him * Ruben, However, if you read the whole passage Paul waited three years to visit Peter, not right away.

But as soon as He was ready to go on his mission , he stay with Peter for 15 days!

Rod4Him * Furthermore, in Gal 2:6 Paul says, "those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me."

He also said that he doesn't want to build on "another man's foundation", refering to Peter who built the Church in Rome.(Romans 15:20)

Rod4Him* Jesus told Peter to feed His sheep, and He told all the disciples to make disciples, so the exhortation to Peter was not exclusive to Peter.

But only Peter was told to "feed his sheep"
---Ruben on 1/29/10


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Shawn.M.T.* Jesus says "unto thee, That thou art Peter", speaking Simon's true name Upon which Jesus proceeds to reveal to all His Disciples who He Truly was as the Rock upon which God will build His Church.

He change Simon named to Peter(Kephas)as he did in John 1:42 "And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which means "Rock"

Shawn* When He said "I will give unto thee the Keys", "Thee" is toward Whosoever Believes in Him by Faith after Christ

If "Thee" means whosoever believes in him, than shouldn't unto thee, thou art Peter also mean that we all change our name to Peter!
---Ruben on 1/29/10


Ruben, you referred to Gal 1:18. I assume you were suggesting that Paul visited Peter because Peter had "The Keys," and therefore Peter had some extra authority over Paul. However, if you read the whole passage Paul waited three years to visit Peter, not right away.

Furthermore, in Gal 2:6 Paul says, "those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me." Matter of fact, in Gal 2:11, Paul went on to confront Peter and "opposed him [Peter] to his face, because he stood condemned."

My view of Jesus talking to Peter was to encourage him even when Peter had fallen. Jesus told Peter to feed His sheep, and He told all the disciples to make disciples, so the exhortation to Peter was not exclusive to Peter.
---Rod4Him on 1/29/10


It is confounding and wrong to believe that Almighty God the omnipotent one would choose a weak human being(Peter) who will later deny him at his crucifixion to build his church on.

God build his church on Peter's confession, exactly like your salvation includes your confession as to who Jesus Christ is he is of course the Lord Jesus Christ.
---mima on 1/29/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, Jesus says "unto thee, That thou art Peter", speaking Simon's true name b/c Simon just revealed Jesus as the Christ ... Upon which Jesus proceeds to reveal to all His Disciples who He Truly was as the Rock upon which God will build His Church.

When He said "I will give unto thee the Keys", "Thee" is toward Whosoever Believes in Him by Faith after Christ has risen, b/c no one can received Him(the Keys) before then.

Ruben, Read the whole conversation without picking through it, and abandon your trust in the world's scholarly wisdom, while continue in the Wisdom that is the Fear of the Lord which leads unto the Understanding of His Word : I'll do the same !!! God Bless
---Shawn.M.T. on 1/28/10


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Rod4Him* In either case, Reuben, and the scriptures never indicate that Peter could pass on his (Peter) authority (the type of authority you seem to refer to)
Matthew never says, "To you Peter and only you do I give this authority."

Matthew does say 'I will give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven". Did Jesus give keys to anyone else? Jesus also in John Gospel told Peter only to "feed my sheep",(JHN21:15-17) Sheep mean all poeple and the apostles!

Rod4Him* Paul didn't write letters saying, "In the name of Peter I come to you, grace from Peter to you.

No, but he did go and saw Peter for 15 days before he went on his ministry even after Christ's Revelation to him (Gal 1:18)
---Ruben on 1/28/10


ShawnM.T.* Ruben :

Brother, The whole conversation in Matt.16 from verse 13 to 21, is Jesus revealing who He Truly was & what He came here to do. It's all about Him, not Peter !!

The First part of the conversation is:

"Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? "MT 16:13) and Once Simon Barjona answer correctly, Jesus then changes his name to Peter(Kephas,Rock) and says I(Jesus) will give unto thee(You,Peter) the keys of the kingdom of heaven" Please tell me what THEE means in this verse?
---Ruben on 1/28/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, The whole conversation in Matt.16 from verse 13 to 21, is Jesus revealing who He Truly was & what He came here to do. It's all about Him, not Peter !!

Following that conversation, in Matt.16:22-23, Peter rebukes what Jesus just shared, and Jesus tells Peter he's an OFFENSE unto Him b/c Peter savoriest not the things that be of God, but those of men.

Ruben, Deceive yourself if you wish but you'll not deceive God's Elect into believing Jesus just previously gave the only Keys to Heaven to a person with such a heart. It's clear you're unable to See your scholars are misleadingly using out-of-context the verse about The Keys to Heaven, with another Book's verse about a completely different key.
---ShawnM.T. on 1/28/10


Bruce* Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In order to enter, ya gotta unlock the door.

Scripture says different, it say's born 0f water and of the Spirit not(unlock the door) to enter the Kingdom of God.

Bruce* Ac 2:37 We need to repent and be baptized into the death and burial of Christ. Once we are "loosed" from sin, in Jesus' name, we can then receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Keys.

Nothing here about "loosed" and "Keys" but in Gospel of Matthew it does mention "Keys" and "Loosed" and both Jesus said to Peter.


---Ruben on 1/28/10


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In either case, Reuben, Peter is not here, and the scriptures never indicate that Peter could pass on his (Peter) authority (the type of authority you seem to refer to) if it was ever given to him.
Matthew never says, "To you Peter and only you do I give this authority."
Obviously, Paul established churches, and when Paul wrote to different community of believers, he addressed the believers in the community not the "clergy."
Paul didn't write letters saying, "In the name of Peter I come to you, grace from Peter to you. Peter says this or that."
Jesus is refering to the establishment of the universal church of believers who follow Christ.
---Rod4Him on 1/28/10


Shawn.M.T* Jesus is speaking of Himself(the Rock & Keys), in relation to the response of Peter to His question of "Whom say ye that I am?" in Matt.16:15.

If that is the case than you are reading:

And (I) also say unto thee(I), that thou art Peter, and upon(ON) this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

"( I ) will give unto thee(I) the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou(I) shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou(I) shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."


Shawn* Cherry picking never validated anything,

Now who is really cherry picking?
---Ruben on 1/28/10


Over the years I've heard many interpretations concerning this verse. I've always felt it goes along with "we are in this world but not of this world". When we are saved we get a key to heaven as a result of our salvation and we are loosed from this earth and our citizenship is in heaven. Those who reject Christ Jesus are bound to this earth and won't be loosed in heaven because they have no key. This is just my opinion based on my own understanding but I do like the concept.
---Bob on 1/27/10


I believe the keys are referring to the bible and it's teachings. The latter part of the verus would be with whom we as christains witness to.
---Wayne on 1/27/10


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-- Ruben :

Brother, NO ~ Peter nor anyone else received the Keys then b/c Christ has yet to rise from the Cross !!

Jesus is speaking of Himself(the Rock & Keys), in relation to the response of Peter to His question of "Whom say ye that I am?" in Matt.16:15.

Cherry picking never validated anything, and your protestant scholars & yourself are fruitlessly trying to validate something which is not God's Word, by assuming that Peter is Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, but Eliakim received the key to the house of David, not the Kingdom of Heaven : and this dogma of the catholic church is only to try in validate its doctrine of building their house on Peter as their rock who is the only one holding the keys to Heaven.
---Shawn.M.T on 1/27/10


You probably think Peter is also the "Rock" upon which Christ built His Church, just b/c Matt.16:18 states "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church".

---ShawnM.T. on 1/26/10

Yes, Does not Cephas in Armaic mean "Rock"?
"That thou art Cephas and upon this Cephas I will build my Church" Most protestant scholars and Early Church Fathers will agree with Peter being the Rock Christ will built upon!
---Ruben on 1/27/10


ShawnM.T. -- Ruben :

Brother, Christ being the "Keys to Heaven" is given to Whosoever Believes in Him by Faith. If Peter was the only soul who Christ gave the Keys,

Having the "key" does not mean that we have to go to Peter to get to heaven as you have said several times, Hope this explain the key to you!

Isaiah 22:20-22 In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, . . . and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David, he shall open, and none shall shut, and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Shawn Does not Jesus give the Keys to Peter in Matthew 16:18, Y or N?
---Ruben on 1/27/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, Christ being the "Keys to Heaven" is given to Whosoever Believes in Him by Faith. If Peter was the only soul who Christ gave the Keys, then Peter alone would have been the only soul which Christ came to Save !!

You probably think Peter is also the "Rock" upon which Christ built His Church, just b/c Matt.16:18 states "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church".

Ruben, Don't build your house upon Peter nor curse yourself by waiting on & trusting(Jer.17:5) in a man to open up the Kingdom of Heaven for you, b/c Jesus is the Rock which is the Corner Stone & Head of the Church that is the Body of Christ which the builders rejected : not Perter !!
---ShawnM.T. on 1/26/10


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Ruben,

I gotta ask: If only Peter had the keys... how'd Paul get his hands on them?
---BruceB on 1/26/10


Ruben, Your dogma is compelling you to state that "Christ gave Peter and only Peter the key". If that was so, we would have to go through a man to get to Christ. Is Christ divided? was Peter crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Peter? 1Cor.1:12-23
---ShawnM.T. on 1/26/10


Shawn it is not my dogma but scripture itself "And I say also unto thee , That thou art Peter,.....And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:"(MT 16:18-19)
---Ruben on 1/26/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, We agree Jesus is the Key of the Kingdom of Heaven. He's also the Rock which is the Corner Stone, the Head of the Church that is the Body of Christ which the builders rejected. Christ Jesus is our Mediator unto God, and it's through Him & Him alone that we come unto God !!

I don't know about you but the Drawing Spirit of God's Word has Drawn me unto the Baptism in Christ through Faith : not through Peter or any other man !!

Ruben, Your dogma is compelling you to state that "Christ gave Peter and only Peter the key". If that was so, we would have to go through a man to get to Christ. Is Christ divided? was Peter crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Peter? 1Cor.1:12-23
---ShawnM.T. on 1/26/10


Jesus breathed on his disciples giving them the Holy Spirit which gave them the spiritual discernment to judge righteous judgment, to either rightly forgive individuals their offenses or to rightly hold accountable individuals their offenses. Just as when a person wrongs me, I have the power to either forgive that offender or else to hold that offender accountable to make it good.
---Eloy on 1/26/10


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In Matthew 16:19 the phrase to bind and to loose meant to prohibit and to permit.
When the Savior said, he will give to Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
This authority was also given to the other apostles.
He meant that whatsoever they forbade in the church should have divine authority, whatever they permitted, or commanded, should also have divine authority - that is, should be bound or loosed in heaven, or meet the approval of God.
They were to be guided infallibly in the organization of the church.
The rules in Acts, in connection with Christs teachings constituted the only law binding on Christians in regard to the order of the church, the rites and ceremonies to be observed in it.
---ashle7439 on 1/25/10


ShawnM.T *Brethren, Christ is the "Key" by which we reside in Heavenly Places, "Dead to sin" : but we still reap in the earth what we sow !!

Yes Christ is the "Key" but he gave Peter and only Peter the "key"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven"(MT 16:19)

ShawnM.T* So, Whatsoever we bind or loose on earth shall be bound or loosed in Heaven, for us as God provides according to His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus.


Jesus gave only Peter and the Apostles the authorithy to bind and loose!(Mt 16:18-MT 18:18)
---Ruben on 1/25/10


Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In order to enter, ya gotta unlock the door.

Ac 2:37 ...Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


We need to repent and be baptized into the death and burial of Christ (which is to die to self--repentance.) Once we are "loosed" from sin, in Jesus' name, we can then receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Keys.
---BruceB on 1/25/10


jesus was speaking directly to peter vand it applies only to peter.Knowing that he would be the leader of the church on earth after his death and resurrection,knowing that he would be lead by the spirit, just as he was in the vision of feeding his sheep.
---tom2 on 1/25/10


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Matt. 16 v's 18-19, which Fulfilled in Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20. Was delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost by Apostle Peter. Apostle Paul brought this very Same to us gentiles. Gal. 1 v's 8-9.
The roman leader constantine with nero & others(the crusades)killed off these early Christian in the dark ages, because he didn't want to line up to The Truth of God's Word & His Salvation Plan. So this r-leader started his own fallowing, Man-made r-catholocism the first trinity relig-org, The Mother apostate church, then her offspring daughters came along.(Rev 17 v's 4-6.
---Lawrence on 1/25/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Christ is the "Key" by which we reside in Heavenly Places, "Dead to sin" : but we still reap in the earth what we sow !!

So, Whatsoever we bind or loose on earth shall be bound or loosed in Heaven, for us as God provides according to His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus.

As we Love our Lord God with all of our Heart, Soul, Mind & Strength and our neighbor as ourselves, being Merciful as our Father is Merciful, Judging nor Condemning, Forgiving & Cheerfully Giving, it shall be given unto us, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For with the same measure we mete withal it shall be measured to us again. Luke 6:36-38
---ShawnM.T. on 1/25/10


\\ I would not say it means we need to go along with some institutionalized religion and constantly be gambling with how its leadership could be corrupt and unreliable\\

Of course, the leadership of UNorganized religion, especially independent pop-evangelical churches (such as Ted Haggard) is always crystal-pure.
---Cluny on 1/25/10


I would not say it means we need to go along with some institutionalized religion and constantly be gambling with how its leadership could be corrupt and unreliable. We have groups with such superficial standards, that even a predator can become accepted as a pastor since even those evaluating pastoral candidates can't tell the difference between a person who ministers God's love, versus someone so sick with evil. But it is clear how Hebrews 13:17 does say, "Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you." (Hebrew 13:17) Real pastors are reliable, and need to be obeyed.
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/25/10


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