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Obama's New Taxes

OBAMA'S NEW TAXES...Does this help America during a time of economic depression, or does it kill any hope of recovery?

Moderator - As a general rule, increased taxes causes a decrease in economic activity, thereby placing a damper on the economy. However, he is increasing government spending as the offset. Bottomline, he believes the government can spend the money better than its citizens. Bad idea and immoral to boot.

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Ouch Trav, that is clearly hate and thinly veiled racism. Moderator?
---larry on 2/10/10

Well, you aren't the first to try that worn out technique. GOD created all races special is my belief. Some of Ishmael, some of Esau's, throw in a few Philistines....you get the idea.
It is right to call GOD's enemies....what they are.
Psalm 44:5
Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us.
Psalm 119:98
Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
Psalm 119:157
Many are my persecutors and mine enemies, yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.
---Trav on 2/10/10


They are berry husseins blood relatives. Cousins. They like him, build nothing,create nothing. They can infiltrate and cause hardship. Cuz Ishmael's prophecy from the beginning. Read paper or news articles an see the Bible. --Trav.

Ouch Trav, that is clearly hate and thinly veiled racism. Would you not be more comfortable on a secular blog where you could freely use the N word? Its the only word you haven't used. Moderator?
---larry on 2/10/10


Pastor Jim, glad you kept the moniker.

Anyway terror suspects are not considered "citizens" in Article III courts or Tribunals. Miltary courts have only prosecuted 3 cases and none of them terror suspects because their lawyers have no experience in this area. Considering "hearsay" is admissible in Military courts only this is problematic.
Miranda readings is a decison of FBI Director Robert Mueller who is a Republican President Obama retained.
Finally its Muslim not moslem (Obama is not Muslim or Moslem), and its White House not Whitehouse. God bless.
---larry on 2/10/10


Nurse Robert -- Mocking the president was was an everyday activity of Democrats when Bush was president.
I've done it once...only to counter the idea that being a Harvard law professer somehow qualifies one to be president of the United States. I am not impressed.
It sounds very elitest to me.
(my family is full of experienced professors and lawyers and judges. Yet they all are quite devoid of executive ability).

larry- Sorry for over-reacting to your comments. I judge Obama on his performance, as I see it, not as God would judge. I don't hate Obama,
he's quite likable most of the time.
---Donna66 on 2/10/10


Donna/Ralph.. are you sure you want to start mocking what the president said?
---NurseRobert on 2/10/10

How about: "I don't remember." Ronald
Reagan

I won't even start on Bush.
---obewan on 2/10/10




Nurse, how much time did you spend on Google looking up those quotes? However long it was it wasn't worth it.

What now, I can't comment on something that made me laugh? The president saying corpse-men? I don't care who you are, that's funny. Bush couldn't pronounce "nuclear" for 8 years. That's funny too. I realize that chuckling at the mistakes of a liberal is against the rules, but hey, not my problem.

I'll give the Prez a pass for you. It must have been the teleprompter's fault. It should have spelled the word "core man" so as not to confuse the boss.
---ralph7477 on 2/10/10


the problem with big gov't is there is tremendous waste. there should be an accounting of the tax payer's money. obama can audit defense where $100s of billions are unaccounted for.

to pastor jim

obama is exporting jobs? the reason is CHEAP LABOR. a businessman will rather pay somebody in asia less than $2.00 / hr compared to american workers.
---mike on 2/10/10


I'm glad I'm not Brezhnev. Being the Russian leader in the Kremlin. You never know if someone's tape recording what you say." Richard Nixon

All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk. Ronald Reagan

"When I need a little advice about Saddam Hussein, I turn to country music." George Bush Sr., in 1991.

We wont even start with GBII..

Donna/Ralph.. are you sure you want to start mocking what the president said?
---NurseRobert on 2/10/10


Lord have mercy Trav! Where does it hurt? Try Prep'H dude! It's not tooth paste. :)
---Leon on 2/10/10


NR: Jim wears a big hat though he has no cattle. He likes wild (mad as a hatter) parties & drinks a lot of sassafras tea! Sarah in Wonderland (la la land) is his legally blonde idol...

Oh! Do I need to check my facts? :D
---Leon on 2/10/10




BTW... These terrorists who will be tried as citizens, will be set free the very 1st day.

WHY??? Precisely because they have never been given their Miranda rights. So they must be set free immediately to do WHATEVER they please, Unhindered and unobserved.

Thank the Moslem in the Whitehouse for this!!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/7/10

They are berry husseins blood relatives. Cousins. They like him, build nothing,create nothing. They can infiltrate and cause hardship. Cuz Ishmael's prophecy from the beginning. Read paper or news articles an see the Bible.
Genesis 16:12
he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man,every man's hand against him,he shall dwell in presence of all his brethren.
---Trav on 2/10/10


"Pastor" Jim, do you even bother to put your brain in gear before you sit down at the computer?

Tell me, just what jobs has Obama "EXPORTING OUR JOBS TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES THAT ACTUALLY DO THIS. LIKE CHINA?"

Once again, you spout about things of which you have no knowledge.
---NurseRobert on 2/10/10


Sister Donna, I am not here to defend President Obama. Academic achievements are noteworthy not a sign of perfection, and we both know there's not a single verse in the Bible that praises intelligence. Bush, Obama and Bill O'Reilly are fellow Alums.
Academic achievement has its place.
I'm not trying to defend the president from people who hate him. God deals with issues of the heart, gives explicit commands to both kings (leaders) and his children as to how they relate to leaders he raises or allows to rule for season.
He not me will hold us accountable for what we say or how we pray for our leaders.

Forgive me Donna for earlier missives that were beyond the pale.
---larry on 2/10/10


Ha Donna, that was funny hearing Obama call military service people "corpse-men". Hooked on phonics I guess. I wonder how he pronounces "colonel".

My favorite one is still the time he said that kids with asthma should use a breathalizer. Then he "corrected" himself and said no not a breathalizer, but an "inhilator". Our healthcare hero.
---ralph7477 on 2/9/10


larry
Obama is a Harvard educated Commander and Chief who doesn't know how to pronounce "corps" (hint: it's not the same as "corpse") If the Harvard grad, Bush made such a mistake he'd never live it down.

KS Mohammed would get a fairer trial from the military and put no civilians to extra expense/danger. Justice has already been compromised because officials have declared him guilty (not "presumed" guilty) and promised swift "punishment". Normally the defense attorney would demand a change of venue! rather than try him at the scene of the crime. But where in the US could one find an "impartial" jury who has heard little about the crime?
All this to IMPRESS the whole world?
---Donna66 on 2/9/10


Indeed, we could repeal the child labor laws and force 80hour work weeks, as well as allow employers to require homework too!
NurseRobert on 2/8/10

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA IS DOING BY EXPORTING OUR JOBS TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES THAT ACTUALLY DO THIS. LIKE CHINA?

WAIT A MINUTE.... YOU ADMIRE CHINA AND ITS CHAIRMAN MAO, DON'T YOU?.

A country, that to this day, has cannibalism!

YOU OBVIOUSLY HATE AMERICA!!!
BY ALL YOUR SLANDER TOWARDS OUR COUNTRY.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/9/10


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Larry, it's tough to have a discussion with you because you jump all over the place.

You point out examples free market demand which is proper. The Government has been trying to create artificial demand and it can't, no matter how much money they hand out. People only spend money if they are getting something of value to them in return. Not because the government hands them a check and says 'OK now go spend.'

I have no problem giving taxpayers their money back but do it the proper way which would be across the board permanent tax rate cuts which are proven to grow the economy every time. Not little crumbs in the form of government checks.
---ralph7477 on 2/9/10


Ralph, thanks for agreeing with me. Yes, if half of the payroll tax is for business the other half is for who?
If the Pizza joint gets a tax cut the owner will be smart and hold on to his money, but he won't hire any more people until he has more business, i.e. DEMAND. Duh?
Nothing wrong with stimulus money going to taxpayers as the feds are simply paying back what taxpayers in most cases have overpaid.
The rant against liberals proves you just don't get it. Republican Shelby, who is holding up appointments to preserve pork in Alabama is no better than Demoract Landrieu who held her own party hostage for pork in Louisiana. The ENTIRE house stinks Ralph.
---larry on 2/9/10


Sister Donna your reaching. PRACTICE, such as tax cuts, repeated becomes POLICY. Every thing that is practiced is a policy.

All but 3 of our convictions have taken place in Article 3 civil courts. Don't argue with me sister just do the math.

I, as you and brother Ralph wish everyone could be tried by a military tribunal and executed the same day but mathmatically the greatest chance of a conviction lies in civil court. Thank the conservative wing nut Supreme Court for ruling that tribunals as they are set up are unconstitional, so I don't blame Bush or Obama. President Obama is simply playing the percentages. He is a Harvard educated constitutional professor who if nothing else is pragmatic. Math is not an ideology.
---larry on 2/9/10


any person over 18 who hasn't been asleep for the past two years knows that demand side economics hasn't worked and has only made things worse- Ralph.

Steve Jobs, the makers of flat screen TV's and Zhu Zhu pets strongly disagree my brother.

On Friday J.P. Morgan announced the hiring of an additional 14 hundred brokers for one reason, demand.
UPS hires holiday help for one reason, demand.
Prices for airlines increase during the holiday for one reason, demand for seats.
Super Bowl seats sell at a premium for one reason, demand and so forth.

Ask Alan Mulally (CEO) of Ford if demand was not key to staying afloat and profitting while Chrysler dies a slow death.
---larry on 2/9/10


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regulation is bad? look at what happened to wall street. the result of too much 'freedom' is greed. if there is no regulation, greedy people will not be afraid of the law.

by the way, benny hinn, dollar, copeland can do anything what they want, say anything what they want regarding their 'prosperity' gospel. that is why many 'religious' televangelist oppose financial regulation on them.
---mike on 2/9/10


Larry, a payroll tax cut is a cut for business. Employers pay half of that tax. Self employed individuals pay 100% of the payroll tax so that would be a tax cut on small business.

Secondly, any person over 18 who hasn't been asleep for the past two years knows that demand side economics hasn't worked and has only made things worse. The government has been putting money in people's pockets via "stimulus" since Bush's first stimulus checks were sent out. We were told that unemployment wouldn't exceed 8% if Obama's stimulus was enacted last year.

Liberals think they can just tax the "rich" and the rich will dutifully pay up. Liberals forget that people alter their behavior in response to confiscatory taxes.
---ralph7477 on 2/9/10


"The best thing that Obama can do to help unemployment is to relieve businesses of government rules and regulations, cut their taxes and get out of the way. Government meddling and micromanagement caused this whole mess to begin with."
---ralph7477 on 2/8/10

Right on Ralph! These socialists who love more and more government bureaucracy should ask themselves whether the US became great because of government regulation and taxes or because of the lack of them.
---jerry6593 on 2/9/10


Of course it's a joke. The compassionate Congress passed a bill to "fix" health care and cover everybody by mandating that uninsured people buy coverage or face a fine and/or jail.

Using that logic, they could try to fix the unemployment problem by mandating that unemployed people find a job or face a fine and/or jail.
---ralph7477 on 2/8/10


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larry:
In your first post you said The President is being opposed on everything though many of his policies, such as the prosecution of terror suspects, are identical to those of GWB
I OBJECTED.
NOW you say:
Obama is continuing the Bush administration practice (Padilla, Reed) of prosecuting terror suspects in civilian courts

POLICY and PRACTICE are not the same thing.
(vocabulary is fundamental)
Bush wanted all terrorists, to be tried in military courts, even if arrested in the US.
(this was his policy). But the court ruled that Reid and Padilla must be tried in civilian courts. Consequently, his
practice was as the court required.
---Donna66 on 2/8/10


The best thing that Obama can do to help unemployment is to relieve businesses of government rules and regulations, cut their taxes and get out of the way. Government meddling and micromanagement caused this whole mess to begin with.
---ralph7477 on 2/8/10

Indeed, we could repeal the child labor laws and force 80hour work weeks, as well as allow employers to require homework too!

Heck, lets do away with all of the health and safety regulations put in place. We could let employers lock the doors so employees cant take breaks. That worked well for the Triangle Shirtwaste Company

We could do away with the mining regulations. Heck, if a few of them die, so what...
---NurseRobert on 2/8/10


larry: //its not lower taxes that will spur business to hire. That is conservative mumbo jumbo.//

History shows the opposite. Reagan created over a million jobs after his tax cuts Demand is necessary, but somebody needs to be in a position to MEET the demand. Other wise, we have people waiting in long lines. to buy what they need.

I'm for tax cut acresss the board. But
who do you think is more likely to employ you?
The guy who makes 25k or the one that makes 250k?
---Donna66 on 2/8/10


Donna, Reading is Fundamental. What I said is that Obama is continuing the Bush administration practice (Padilla, Reed) of prosecuting terror suspects in civilian courts because the conservative Supreme Court ruled Military Courts, as they were set up, violated the Geneva convention. Duh?
The Department of Justice has indicted 828 defendants. Trials are pending against 235. Out of the 593 defendants, 523 were convicted for a conviction rate of 88%. And all 5 accused in 9/11 had been convicted in civilian courts before Obvama had even declared his candidacy.
I would just assume as wipe out everyone at Gitmo tonight, but don't let your ideology make a babbling fool out of you ignoring the facts.
---larry on 2/8/10


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Ralph, I agree to a point. However its not lower taxes that will spur business to hire. That is conservative mumbo jumbo. Any business person over 18 knows its DEMAND that spurs business and the only thing that will spur people to spend is more money in their pockets. That is why I favor the McCain idea of a payroll tax cut. If you really want to see where you get killed every two weeks look at your payroll tax. I would also cut federal, state and county gas taxes by 50%.
The Bush tax cuts for the $200k types should die in 2011 and instead give the revenue to military families as a salary increase.
Keep the Obama middle-class tax cut.
---larry on 2/8/10


Maybe they should just fine anyone who is unemployed, just like they would fine everyone who is uninsured.
---ralph7477 on 2/8/10
You are a real jerk if you mean that as anything other than a joke.

I am an engineer with 28 years of experience and last week I waited in line with 128 people for over 4 hours just to apply for ONE engineering technician position that only paid $9 an hour. That is how bad things are right now. I am no slug thank you.

And you can thank my huge stock portfolio that I am living on for helping keep both myself and part of the national economy afloat.

As I said before, you seem like a selfish insensitive slave driver to me. Most unemployed people can not help their situation right now.
---obewan on 2/8/10


The best thing that Obama can do to help unemployment is to relieve businesses of government rules and regulations, cut their taxes and get out of the way. Government meddling and micromanagement caused this whole mess to begin with.

Besides, what sane bank or business would want any part of TARP now that they know how TARP recipients are treated by this administration? Once you take TARP money, the government owns you. One day Obama will talk tough about getting all the money back for the taxpayers, and the next day he is proposing spending it again.

Maybe they should just fine anyone who is unemployed, just like they would fine everyone who is uninsured. That would solve the problem.
---ralph7477 on 2/8/10


Ralph -- Agreed. They SHOUD be applied to the deficit. But after so much being mis-spent. I was glad to hear that Obama, for once, very belatedly, seemed willing to do SOMETHING that might help unemployment in this country.
---Donna66 on 2/8/10


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TARP stands for Troubled Asset Relief Program. The purpose was to relieve banks of their "troubled assets" i.e. all their bad loans. It was not meant to buy car companies or give to businesses big or small for job creation or any other whim. TARP has essentially turned into a huge slush fund.

The fact is that TARP is a credit card billed to the taxpayer. There is no real TARP money sitting in an account. Every dollar paid out of TARP is borrowed money. Now that banks are paying back their TARP funds, the politicians think that they can use that money for other things. Sen. Gregg is correctly standing by the fact that all repaid TARP money is supposed be applied to deficit reduction as the law is written.
---ralph7477 on 2/8/10


BTW... These terrorists who will be tried as citizens, will be set free the very 1st day.

WHY??? Precisely because they have never been given their Mirandar rights. So they must be set free immediately to do WHATEVER they please, Unhindered and unobserved.

Thank the Moslem in the Whitehouse for this!!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/7/10


True, Bush initiated the original TARP. But many of his party looked askance at it.

YOU say:
The President is being opposed on everything though many of his policies, such as the prosecution of terror suspects, are identical to those of GWB. Guiliani, Palin and Cheney know this

Are you telling me that Bush wanted terrorists to have Miranda rights and be defended in civilian courts and given a world-wide platform to spread their propaganda.??? What have you been smoking?

I dare you to document this!
---Donna66 on 2/7/10


Sister Donna, that TARP for small businiess proposal is being strongly opposed by the GOP as it was designated for deficit reduction and Judd Gregg says the WH is changing the rules. You can find the You Tube video where he ripped into WH Budget Director Peter Orzag.
This is a fight the WH is more than willing to have as some of the same congressmembers who favored the bank bailout now oppose helping small business people. Its political posturing on both sides.
The President is being opposed on everything though many of his policies, such as the prosecution of terror suspects, are identical to those of GWB. Guiliani, Palin and Cheney know this but insist on assaulting the truth in front of the cameras anyway.
Shameful.
---larry on 2/7/10


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FINALLY Obama has an idea that may help create jobs. He's designating some of those ill-advised TARP funds for SMALLER Banks to make Small business loans. (Small businesses, in normal times, employ about 50% of Americans.(If local banks haven't been burned too badly by The Community Restoration and Vitalization Act, Fanny, Freddy, and all the foreclosures, they may be bold enough to lend again.
---Donna66 on 2/6/10


larry -- I believe you were referring to Medicare part D, the drug benefit (not B, which had been in effect for many years). Most Republicans did not support part D. I guess you were not listening. Many republicans still feel it was a mistake. Amazingly AARP, a left leaning organization, pushed it very hard.

Obama has made 3 times as much expenditures off budget. What kind of "games" is he playing? Conservatives don't believe the "Stimulus" was the right course of action,(we've seen no improvement after a year) just as you don't believe our 2 wars were. I believe Americans now owe 75+ thousand dollars per person to pay for it. No need to make slurs about FOX news, just because Obama does.
---Donna66 on 2/4/10


Pasteur Jim,

Can you provide details on exactly what taxes you are talking about?

Or are you just putting two words together that are emotionally charged for some people to get an even more emotionally charged response?
---atheist on 2/4/10


Donna -- As I said, you are right that we, as Christians, are covered by the Word and our treasures are in Heaven. You didn't offend me. I apologize for the caps. I should have used italics, instead, for emphasis. It sounded stronger than I meant it.

My only purpose was to defend this topic as one worthy of discussion for Christians (which I still believe it to be) and to remind you that you needn't read or post to any blog you feel is not worthwhile.
---Donna66 on 2/4/10


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yes Jody these are hard times. I sold precious metals which after a roar as of late fell like crazy Thursday.
Dems are spending like crazy and paying for it with higher taxes. Republicans spent like crazy (Medicare B was 1.7 trilliion) with no way to pay for it so the reasonable middle of America has two bad choices.
The Tea Party and Wing Nuts (conservtives) are right to be outraged but since they were church mouse quiet on Medicare Part B, the wealthy tax cut and played games with the war by making the expenditures off budget, they've got no credibility either. I guess its back to faith in Christ alone. And to think those poor Fox News types thought conservatism was next to Godliness.
---larry on 2/4/10


We are headed towards bankruptcy and life as we know it now is going to drastically decline. We can never pay back what we owe and printing more money that is not backed up with gold is ignorant (or intentional). They say that our American dollar at this time is worth about 1 and a half cents with respect to its gold backing. We will certainly see some very hard and incurable times in the future.
---jody on 2/4/10


Too bad he was NOT succesful in banning Foxnews. Even the Communist News Network(CNN) didn't follow their dictator. We could have had another Venezuela.

And you DARE call yourself "Christians" PLEEEAASSE! LOL! If it were not BLASPHEME!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/4/10

Well, at least we know which talking head you get your info from. The issue of the Faux News Network was a highlight of Glenn Beck today.
---NurseRobert on 2/4/10


HERE IS WHAT IS VERY FRIGHTENING...

Obama is NOT a Democrat or a Liberal. He does NOT ever address himself as anything other than a Progressive.

He is a Marxist Revolutionary who had 21 Self Proclaim Communists in his Whitehouse Czars/Cabinet.

Can you imagine if George Bush had 21 Nazis in his Whitehouse!

What a uproar that would be. But the liberal Media is silent and complacent. He has already taken over our Financial institutions, Auto Manufactuers, Insurance Co. etc.

He now wants to control you directly by his suppose Healthcare. He will then control you from Cradle to Grave. This is NOT your liberal or Democrat.

THIS GUY IS VERY DIFFERENT! VERY VERY DIFFERENT!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/4/10


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Back to the question. Pastor Jim is right taxes are abhorrent and though the Bush tax cuts were unfair they should stay. We are being taxed to death but mostly by local governments. Just research and find out how much you are being fleeced in your local gas tax. I bet that if you check your phone bill your county and city add a tax to your cell phone for absolutely no good operational reason.
I think pressure will build on the Dems to let the tax breaks for those over $250k remain along with the Obama tax cut proposal for the middle class for which I have no complaint.
---larry on 2/4/10


Part 2. Tax cuts won't kill any hope of recovery because
1. We're already turning the corner on the best two quarters for GDP in decades.
2. recovery depends on middle class "spending" not tax cuts and the middle class received, though miniscule, a tax cut.

So we don't spend money to go to the moon and lay off thousands of well-paid aeronautical engineers to save government money. Those engineers stop spending and then we beat up the president for increasing unemployment figures.

Its an endless circle and I wouldn't want to be president. God bless former president Bush and I pray that President Obama be open to his wisdom.
---larry on 2/4/10


Donna66, I am sorry if I offended you. I was merely pointing out that we as Christians are covered by the Word. We are seeking the things above as it says to do in Colossians. We're not storing up our treasures on earth where moth and rust destroy.

I was mererly pointing out that we are covered as Christians by the Word, amen? That's all. My apologies if I offended you. You didn't need to shout at me with your ALL CAPITALIZED words. So I apologize.
---Donna on 2/4/10


//There's really no need to argue about this subject. Because We don't live in the kingdom of darkness (satan's world), we live in the Kingdom of Light (God's realm).//

Donna--- While what you say is true, your reasoning would eliminate about 50% or more of the blogs on CN. Remember YOU only contribute because YOU WANT to. Since most of us vote (maybe you don't) there seems to be a legitimate reason for this discussion.
---Donna66 on 2/4/10


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If your MESS-iah believes that taxing Americans 1.1 Trillion during depression is a good idea. Then why not tax us 100%.

According Libby logic it would makes sense.

Acording to the Marxist in the whitehouse it would make complete sense. Since he would be just like his (and yours)idol Chavez.

Too bad he was NOT succesful in banning Foxnews. Even the Communist News Network(CNN) didn't follow their dictator. We could have had another Venezuela.

And you DARE call yourself "Christians" PLEEEAASSE! LOL! If it were not BLASPHEME!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/4/10


cluny...Funny about some words that come back to haunt people. Pastor Jim didn't have to make that statement. I'd already figured it out about that "one" pastor anyway. LOL
---KarenD on 2/4/10


\\ "pastor" jim... is this the best you can do? insult people? Put words into other peoples mouth? Make unfounded accusations?\\

Don't forget: Pastor_Jim has said elsewhere on another blog that pastors are ignorant.
---Cluny on 2/4/10


Agreed, the new taxes are abhorrent but I don't make over $250k and never got the largess. Capitalism without fairness is capitalism without a future.
The upcoming expiring tax breaks to which Pastor Jim refers were in large part responsible for the surplus turned deficit during the last decade. Congress did not cut spending and thus here we are. Where the question becomes so pathetically inaccurate is not understanding taxes are the result of congressional action not President Bush then and not President Obama now.

Basic civics.
---larry on 2/4/10


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There's really no need to argue about this subject. Because We don't live in the kingdom of darkness (satan's world), we live in the Kingdom of Light (God's realm).

So with that in mind, if you "see ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness, ALL these things shall be added unto you.'

If you do what Jesus said to do in Luke,
"Give and it SHALL be given to you, good measure, pressed down, runneth over, etc.,"

Then whatever you give into God's Kingdom, He will multiply it back to you. God's return is far better than the worldly stock market's return. I know this because I released a large sum of money in the Kingdom last year and I haven't stopped reaping the financial blessings yet.
---Donna on 2/4/10


The fact is that tax rates for everybody are scheduled to automatically rise this year if no intervening legislation is passed. It must come from congress and the President must sign it.

We kept hearing that Bush cut taxes for the "rich". No, his tax cuts were for everyone, or else there wouldn't be talk of extending them for the "non rich". A little slip-up by the libs there. Trying to soak the rich never works.

Remember the luxury tax of the early 90's to make the "rich" pay up? Bill Clinton of all people had to repeal it soon thereafter because rich people just stopped buying yachts which crippled the yacht industry and only hurt the "ordinary" people who lost their jobs as a result.
---ralph7477 on 2/4/10


3RD STIMULUS BILL! (AKA JOBS BILL)

This is the 3rd stimulus. WHY??? The Democrats seeing they are headed for a tsunami loss in 2010. Have figure a new SCAM. The jobs bills will do nothing for jobs. They have not yet even spent 3/4 of the 1st stimulus. So why the extra money???

To create temporary jobs during the election cycle. They intend to hire 1 million++ census takers from April through July.

Of course the lying liberals will claim they created 1 million new jobs.

DON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN!

They came up with a new term called "Saved Jobs" which nobody knows what that means. According to liberal logic it means someone who has a job that they were going to lose, but didn't. GO FIGURE?
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/3/10


"pastor" jim... is this the best you can do? insult people? Put words into other peoples mouth? Make unfounded accusations?

The whole point of this blog was YOU screaming about an increase in EVERYONE'S taxes. I asked you to prove it and you either will not or cannot.

From what you have posted you have either misinterpreted what you read/heard or consciously misrepresented it.

You refuse to answer direct questions and dodge and weave better than any politician.

That will not, however, prevent me from calling you out on your rantings
---NurseRobert on 2/3/10


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Tax reforem:

We need a flat tax. One tax rate for all, no loop-holes. Get rid of all the audits, tax accountants, tax software, etc. Make this tax required upon payment. No quarterly payments, etc. Make everyone pay when income is made.

Tax items once, not several times. This goes for all items whether they make profit or not.

Tax people once, not several times. The same goivernment does not need to tax me three times (Income, SSI, Medicare). Go to one rate even if it is a PR problem.

Make the Fed and State government use a recriprocal agreement. If I pay taxes to the state I get credit for them on my Fed taxes.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/3/10


to Pastor jim

so what happened to 'free market' under bush? it cultivated greed, & corruption. look what happened in Iraq. there were plenty of NO BID contracts for the 'reconstruction' of iraq. halliburton, blackwater etc. that is a moral issue too.
and by the way, just because people disagree with you you start labeling people.just like the pharisees, when the people disagreed with them, they started labeling. just because you are a pastor does not mean you are ALWAYS right
---mike on 2/3/10


WOW NURSE.

It sure looks like you are into "Class Envy". A true Socialist/Marxist.

And from your post you assume the rest of us believe the same. Christains don't covet.

I'm not rich, but I don't want the those making over $250,000 to be overburden as well. They create jobs for us.

And contrary to your Socialist mantra of redistribution of wealth. The rich are not the evils of society.

I DON'T WANT THEIR MONEY THEY EARNED IT!!!

NOT ME!!!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/3/10


He wants to increase Taxes on the Middle Class
Many small businesses have a yearly income of $250,000 or more. But this income is taxed as personal income. It doesn't mean the business owner is wealthy and it most certainly doesn't encourage small businesses to hire new employees.

He is also reversing Bush's Tax Credits and Tax incentive.

The Bush tax cuts accross the board are being allowed to expire. Time and time again it has been proven that tax cuts actually increase revenue. Our economy will be further hurt by this.
---Donna66 on 2/3/10


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Contined from my post on Obama"s new taxes.

He is also renewing Capital Gains tax
Far from affecting the minority, this action affects many millions of Americans, esp. seniors. The majority of seniors have invested some funds,(even small amounts) for their own retirement. They will now be paying more for the privilege of doing so.

These measures may not have much affect on the so-called "working class" who have the protection of unions. But for the vast number of ordinary citizens of modest income, These actions by Obama will have only a deleterious effect.
---Donna66 on 2/3/10


He wants to increase Taxes on the Middle Class

Who is your middle class? The tax increase will affect those making over $250,000 a year. Considering the median income is about $50,000, just how is he increasing taxes on the middle class?

He is also reversing Bush's Tax Credits and Tax incentive.

No, not. He is calling for the tax credits for "high income" families to expire. He is NOT issuing an "executive order."

He is also renewing Capital Gains tax.

There already IS a CGT. The increase in rates (15 to 20%) will not affect the majority of Americans.
---NurseRobert on 2/3/10


Leon, I know where you are coming from. "pastor" jim likes to jump up and down and scream from the rooftops, but all that comes out of him is noise. He was ask to prove his statements and can't. He just spouts what he hears from the talking heads.

Now he bellows that "unemployment will be taxed!" Guess what, unemployment has been considered taxable income for over 20 years. In fact, it was the Reagan Administration who first proposed treating unemployment as ordinary taxable income.

"pastor" jim either doesn't do his research or he ignores the points that he doesn't like or doesn't suit his agenda.
---NurseRobert on 2/3/10


NurseRobert: It's a waste of valuable time responding to Jimbo's "wild", fear-mongering accusations. :) He's just another guy (Pv. 15:18) going around n around in the wilderness of Sin, talking loud & railing against his "chosen" leader. (Ex. 16:2-3)
---Leon on 2/3/10


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Nursey,
DO THE MATH!

It will be between $80 to over $250 per paycheck for the working class who make LESS than $250,000.

It will also Tax their Unemployment somewhere around $70-$150 per check.

Sorry, I know its BLASPHEMY to criticize your MESS-iah.

But then again he wants to destroy our economic systems to create a dependency on HIS government. That's how Socialism/Marxist starts. He now took over the Banks and the Major Corporations he wants to control our healthcare, so he will have Cradle to Grave control.

He also wants to Legalize the Illegals, so he will have an additional 30 million votes and that will complete his power FOREVER!


---PASTOR_JIM on 2/3/10


THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Ok "pastor" Jim.. tell us how the increase in taxes is going to affect the majority of the population, those of us making less than $250,000 a year?
---NurseRobert on 2/3/10


It doesn't matter who the taxes are coming from, the economy has us all in dire straits.I just read in the newspaper here in Florida that employers are faced with a 1000+% increase in unemployment tax rate their employees, now that sounds like a sure-fire way to encourage employment growth, huh? I'm just wondering how much worse it will get?
---tommy3007 on 2/3/10


The new taxes are 1.1 Trillion Dollars!!!
(Lou Dobbs CNN)

It will not even be used to pay for this years NEW addition Deficit of 1.6 Trillion Dollars. Bringing the total Federal Deficit to 14 Trillion.

The extra Taxes are for Obamas Social Agendas, NOT to pay our debts.

BTW... Our Nations total deficit is
60 Trillion Dollars!!!
(Lou Dobbs/CNN)
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/2/10


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Not to worry Pastor Jim, When our taxes go up we just spend more money, then we should be ok. Anyway you can feel good about your taxes going to buy NP more drinks on her trips. then there might be attorney fees for terriosts, and don't forget all those gov czars jobs that were created, they have to be paid. what would we do without them?
---wayne on 2/2/10


"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

Our country's foundations are destroyed. We are losing the battle for the soul of this country. As we neglect the prayer closet, the next generation gets farther from God.

We need to pray for our president, the leaders of the House and Senate, our representatives, our citizens, our country for salvation, a heart of flesh, for repentance, and for conviction. We need to be serious about our walk with God, our witness to others and to our families.

"and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land"
---Mark_Eaton on 2/2/10


\\ He wants to increase Taxes on the Middle Class by up 25% on a Married Couples, Up to 46% for incomes of $250,000.\\

Oh, I get it now.

He WANTS to do this--not that he has actually done this.

It still has to get through Congress--House and Senate in that order.
---Cluny on 2/2/10


He wants to increase Taxes on the Middle Class by up 25% on a Married Couples, Up to 46% for incomes of $250,000. But it will be figured on combine assets, not income alone. So a middle class couple could very easily be hit with this higher rate if their combine assets exceed $250,000.

He is also reversing Bush's Tax Credits and Tax incentive. They were to be renewed this year. But he will issue an executive order to remove them. This will be adding to your taxes as well.

He is also renewing Capital Gains tax.

There is a lot more details coming in over the News. Hopefully we can learn more.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/2/10


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What are they? What are the new taxes? I haven't been paying attention. Is he increasing them on the middle class? That would be me.
---Donna on 2/2/10


Is anybody really surprised? Tax, spend and grow government. This is what liberals do. It must be genetic.
---ralph7477 on 2/2/10


Can Pastor_Jim tell us just what new taxes Obama has decreed, especially since according to the Constitution, all new taxe laws must originate in the House of Representatives?
---Cluny on 2/2/10


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