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Can A Christian Have A Demon

Can a Christian have a demon? Why or why not?

Moderator - Yes, a demon can oppress a Christian. A demon can't take over a Christian's spirit, however they can attack their flesh IE mind, will, emotions and physical body.

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When a vessel is empty or there is no Holy Spirit residing in a person, then demons may easily inhabit that person and destroy them. Thus no real Christian can have a demon, because Christ dwells in his temple.
---Eloy on 3/7/10


Eloy - You are correct about the fruit. I do NOT dis Christ, because I ONLY go with the Bible and the Holy Spirit, NOT man. You dis Christ, because you ONLY go with yourself, and other people, and NOT with the Bible or the Holy Spirit. You act like you are God. Therefore, your fruit says you are NOT saved and do NOT belong to God, but to your father the devil. Pride goes before the fall.
---Leslie on 3/6/10


Back in the mid 1960's I was working for the Navy in California.

In the town where I lived was one of those religions that had its prophets complete with visions and all sorts of paranormal apparitions.

One prominent prophet predicted a devastating earthquake was about to hit California with much loss of life and with billions of dollars destruction.

Amazingly several well educated engineers & scientists where I worked belonged to that sect. Some believing in their prophets, even moved to other States taking huge losses in salary.

Of course when asked if the prophecy failed it would be because the people repented.

It is doubtful if the moral climate in California has really improved much since 1967.
---Lee1538 on 3/5/10


//Bring your prophets I'll bring mine.... guard your flipper between your teeth.

Sounds like a religion for those who have screws loose.
---Lee1538 on 3/5/10


Leslie, I know you by your fruits. I know all whom are of my body and those who are not of my family: and all who dis the Christ speaker are not saved.
---Eloy on 3/5/10




Leslie, do not take it hard, Eloy says that to almost everyone here that does not agree with him. I agree some times with him but not much. I answered so that you don't let your spirit get quench. Keep answering the way your conscience tells you, for you cannot go against conscience. Let the Word of God guide you. I might not agree with everything you say but as far as I am concern your salvation is secure in Christ.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10


Eloy - I am saved, and go ONLY with what God says the Bible says, NOT what man says it says. This is how I know. I allow the Holy Spirit to teach me the Bible. Try it sometime, and you will see you are wrong, and maybe not even saved.
---Leslie on 3/4/10


Leslie, until you get saved, you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 3/4/10


So you have prophets in your religion? Perhaps they are really demons but you do not realize it. Scripture tells us to test the spirits to see if they are from God. 1 John 4:2.

How can you even make such determination since you have such little knowledge of Scripture or its Author?
---Lee1538 on 3/3/10

Careful ole son...demons? I realize I hit a nerve. But,think about what you are speculating/adding....does it have a witness? I'll bring two for anything I've stated as fact....because I've checked and it is supported more than two scriptures/witnesses/apostles/prophets or GOD.
Bring your prophets I'll bring mine.... guard your flipper between your teeth.
---Trav on 3/4/10


Trav //I didn't see the language you used in the verse above.

That is because you have no eyes that see, all you really have is your religion which you use to accuse Christians of being lawless.

//Nor does any prophet side with you.

So you have prophets in your religion? Perhaps they are really demons but you do not realize it. Scripture tells us to test the spirits to see if they are from God. 1 John 4:2.

//This is called adding to scripture. Without knowing it, you are taking away from scripture.

How can you even make such determination since you have such little knowledge of Scripture or its Author?
---Lee1538 on 3/3/10




Eloy - You may be a "holy man" with a PHD in Theology or Divinity, however that does NOT mean you know anything or are lined up with the Bible. According to the Bible, the soul is the mind. You have it WRONG and are NOT in line with the Bible, but only what you believe or were taught. Ask the Holy Spirit to show you these things, and you will see that I am correct on this, and you are believing a LIE.
---Leslie on 3/3/10


Hebr. 8:8,10 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house OF ISRAEL AND with the house of JUDAH:...For this is the covenant that I will make WITH the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them IN THEIR hearts: and I will be TO THEM a God, and THEY shall be to me A PEOPLE:

Exactly what laws did God write on the hearts of believers?-----LEE

I didn't see the language you used in the verse above. Believers. Nor does any prophet side with you. This is called adding to scripture. Without knowing it, you are taking away from scripture.
---Trav on 3/3/10


//Lee1538:Did Christ say? Thou should belong to Lee1538's denomination, teachings?

Clearly Jesus told us to believe in Him, not in some denominational teaching howbeit correct they may be.

Is yours the British-Israel Church of God? Intercontinental church of God? Or some other whacko sect?

Your mistake is believing that by obeying the Old Covenant laws you can be justified(declared righteous) and thus make God obligated to you to reward you with eternal life.

But God will not be obligated to anyone.

And you do not understand the Christian faith is a relationship instead of some kind of judeo-Christian ethical philosophy.

But such characterizes spiritual blindness.


---Lee1538 on 3/2/10


Leslie, you are preaching to a holy man: The soul is not the mind, and the soul is not the spirit, they are separate. Each person is made up of a body which is the building or flesh, a spirit which is the breath or aspiration, and a soul which is the life or anima. The soul can be living or dead. When one dies the spirit leaves the body and soul, and goes back to God. The body and soul remain behind on earth, until that time that the Lord will call for the dead to rise. (Mark 12:30, Acts 17:25, I Thessalonians 5:23, Hebrews 4:12).
---Eloy on 3/2/10


Eloy - I was taught and believed this LIE too of the soul and spirit being the same thing and the soul is saved. In the Bible it says that the spirit and soul are two different things (1 Thessalonians 5:23, Hebrews 4:12 - makes the distintion). We are made in the image of God. God has three parts (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), we have three parts (body, soul (mind, will, emotions), spirit (the ONLY part that can be saved)). I pray that you stop believing a LIE.
---Leslie on 3/2/10


Paul9594 apostle,

Yes! I'm a new Christian, it's been about a year. But now, I belong to the smaller body of Jesus, who follow His lifestyle and not the larger body of todays church!

But you know,I always thought something was missing!

What you said, I'm beginning to understand better, it makes sense, that Jesus, would not only forgive our Sins but delivers us from sin, as you said lets receive full grace not just half,just forgiveness of sins!

Honestly, I've been watching your posting, I noticed that others don't break your presentation of The Word! But you break theirs with ease.

Well some of it still its a little complex for me!

Thanks for your answers so far!
---Kayla4 on 3/1/10


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Lee1538:

Did Christ say?

Thou should belong to Lee1538's denomination, teachings?

How about Paul, Peter, or other Holy men, Did they ask what's your denomination?

Mat 16:24 ...If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me

Should we listen to the teachings of denominations which have developed traditions of the church that void His Law and Prophets, as THE PHARISEES DID?

I believe His law, His Prophets, and His Apostles.

Did the Pharisees ever figure out what denomination Christ was?

Did the Pharisees ever figure out what denomination His apostles were?

No!
Because they believed their denomination but were blind to HIS Truth/Law.
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Leslie, until you get saved, you will continue to believe and speak falsehood.
---Eloy on 3/1/10


Dear Kayla4: answering your questions 3/5

Why not just keep the Ten Commandments? ///

Since I sense you are a new believer.

Our Father gives us illustrations for those who dont know Hebrew, so they can grasp the Covenant, with the illustrations of the Ark of the Covenant.

Where did the Father have Moses place the Ten Commandments?

INSIDE the Ark of the Covenant!! Hint hint :)
Exod 25:16 "And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you."
Yes! The Ark our Covenant holds the Ten Commandments!
One must be walking with this illustration about our covenant with Faith in Christ!

What is of utmost importance in our Covenant with our Father, with Faith in Christ?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


MarkV, A-men. If people really knew the truth, they each would be running to Jesus and crying out to him to save them from the wrath to come. Once God told me exactly what heaven and hell were, then he said to me that "if the people would know this, they all would be running to the alters and crying out for salvation."
---Eloy on 3/1/10


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Kayla4: your questions 4/5
What is of utmost importance in our Covenant with our Father, with Faith in Christ?
The Ten Commandments are of utmost importance, because of the illustration, THE TEN being inside the Ark of our Covenant!

If a man/woman is NOT walking after the most important Laws WITH faith in Christ.
He/she is not in covenant with the Father.

As you know to have a valid agreement both parties must do according to the agreement, Part of our agreement is faith in Christ to ultimately be transformed to keep commandments by His power!

But what is of next importance? As your faith grows and there by your ability and understanding of righteousness?

Keeping the rest of Law to its spiritual intent.
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Did Abraham do what God told him?

1-Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, AND FROM THY KINDRED, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2-And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great, and thou shalt be a blessing:

3-And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

4-So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him,AND LOT WENT WITH HIM : and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
---mima on 3/1/10


Lee1538:

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

This Genesis 26:5, comes from the Father's own lips!


Do you have the correct interpretation of This verse?

by you denying The Father's words that affirm Abraham kept His Laws?

How far will you in denying His Words?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Spiritual strength is recognized by it's manifestations. The spirit of God exhibits specific behaviors, as demonic spirits exhibit specific behaviors. (Alcoholic beverages are considered "spirits" for the effect they have on the drinker, such as changing personalities.) The Holy Spirit is a Rock, strong to stave off the attacks of demons. But if one's associations and practices do not strengthen the Holy Spirit, or He is ignored, demons grow in the void of His spiritual strength and wreak havoc on one's peace. We are to don the Armor of God to fight off the Devil's fiery darts.
---Elaine on 3/1/10


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Kayla4: answering your questions 2/5

You asked:
Why not just keep the Ten Commandments?
If we break one point, do we not break the whole law?///

Kayla, this a short basic answer:

The Ten Commandments are THE CORE of our covenant.

Why do I say this?

God through concrete illustrations not only in the story of Exodus and with codifying of His Law, but also in the CONCRETE illustrations of THE He-brew language, He communicates in an illustrative tangible manner so that we may grasp the concepts of covenant, grace, faith obedience etc!

Looking at His illustrations in the bible not of commentaries, then, where did the Father have Moses place the Ten Commandments?

Continued
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Eloy and Lee1538 - 1st Eloy - You are WRONG. Your soul is your mind, will, and emotions and can NOT be saved. Salvation ONLY comes to your spirit. Your soul and body are sinful and CAN be possessed by a demon. 2nd - Lee1538 - You are also WRONG. Just because a person is born again, they can still have demons in them, because of their sinful soul and body.
---Leslie on 3/1/10


Eloy, your post was great, with a lot of Truth.
---MarkV. on 3/1/10


While a demon cannot inhabit a Christian, they are able to torment the mind of someone who has grieved or quenched the Holy Spirit.

Say for instance, the Christian that has disobeyed and became involved in the occult.

The Lord may be able to rescue them but often at a great expense to their mental and physical health.

In the book 'the Beautiful Side of Evil' by Johanna Michaelson, she states that demons will attempt to kill any Christian that become involved with the occult.
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10


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The demon possessed do not adide in heaven, but the Christ possessed. When a soul is not born-again, demons can inhabit that one and make that person do any evil they will whatsoever: lie, cheat, steal, and even murder. This is one reason why people must become born-again, that way we have 100% power over the enemy, otherwise the enemy will have power over you and can very easily use you as his intrument of evil and to do his malicious will and afterward when he is finished using you he can destroy you.
---Eloy on 2/28/10


Paul9594 Rom 10:3 for being ignorant of God's RIGHTEOUSNESS, and seeking to establish their OWN, they did not subject themselves to the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD.

And what did they (Jews)do to establish their own righteousness? They believed their righteousness came from the Mosaic laws - such things as Sabbath keeping, Levitical dietary laws, and other strictly Jewish rites - things Neo Judaizers of today try to impose on those that follow Christ.

Romans 3:20-22 For by works of the law no human being will be justified (declared righteous)..., .But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, ... the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.

All who WHAT?????????
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


//Abraham is credited in keeping the Father's laws, in Genesis 26:5:

Abraham because he did not trust the Lord enough to care for him, lied to Abimelech King of Gerai about who his wife Sarah really was.

And he encouraged his wife to lie about her relationship to him as well claiming that he was her brother.

You fail to realize that Abraham was not like the virgin Mary whom Catholic claim was sinless.

And since he definitely did not have the 10 commandments, perhaps he really did not know it was a sin to lie.
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


Paul, whatever answer I give you it will not be good enough. You believe you can keep the whole law, that is great, Eloy believes he is sinless, that is great, Kathr seems to think she knows everything, great. What would be the reason then to answer? Some are sinless, some know everything. Some can keep the whole law. Sin is rebellion against God's law. And everyone sins, so try to get sinless out of that, or people able to keep the whole law. I believe somehow you will find a way.
---MarkV. on 2/27/10


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MarkV: do U have an answer?
You posted:
Paul, no human being is able to keep the law... ///

Mark, Abraham is credited in keeping the Father's laws, in Genesis 26:5:

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

Genesis 26:5, comes from the Father's own lips!

So did Abraham keep the Father's laws with faith or not?

Abraham ONE MAN OF FAITH THAT Kept his statues, His laws(torah)!

How is it that Abraham kept His Laws?
Should we deny what the Father affirms, Abraham kept His Laws?
Still, waiting for your answer.
---Paul9594 on 2/27/10


Those that say that a Christian cannot have a demon are WRONG. I have seen many Christians get delivered from demons. Also, when you become a Christian, your spirit man gets saved and possessed by the Holy Spirit -however, your soul and body are not saved and can be oppressed by a demon due to sin.
---Leslie on 2/27/10


No, a real Christian has Christ, and Christ and a demon will not abide together with each other in Christ's house. Instead, Christ will drive them out of his holy temple, and the gates of hell will not prevail against the kingdom of heaven.
---Eloy on 2/27/10


Since Scripture is the very words of God, any interpretation of any scriptural verse must be viewed in light of what other scriptural verses state.

To help avoid that problem all too many cults simply change the meaning of words in order to support their bad doctrines.

For instance, the "New" covenant becomes the 'Renewed' covenant - a rehash of the Old Covenant with its over 600+ commands.

And 'grace' becomes simply the capability given by God so that the believer is enabled to obey the OT law.

Effectively their eternal salvation is strictly a works soteriology.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


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Paul, you accuse Lee of interpreting the verse wrong when it is you who is wrong. If you had looked at the word meanings you would have known that although the Gr. word translated "end" can mean either "fulfillment" or "termination," this is not a referance to Christ's having perfectly fulfilled the law through His teaching (Matt. 5:17,18) or through His sinless life (2 Cor. 5:21). Instead as the second half of the verse shows, Paul means that belief in Christ as Lord and Savior ends the sinner's futile quest for righteousness through his imperfect attempts to save himself by efforts to obey the law (3:20-22, Is. 64:6, Col. 2:13,14).
---MarkV. on 2/27/10


Lee1538: Scriptures 1/4

Of the word "end" in Rom. 10:4 Lee said:

///It really could mean just about anything you want it to mean.
However, one principle of properly interpreting scripture is to interpret scripture with scripture.///

Lee with his lips says, Scripture interprets Scripture, does not apply what we says. Often he brings quotes and/or interpretations from commentaries, which contradict the Word and words of Christ. Or he adds/subtracts from the Word to fit popular incorrect doctrines of men.

Lee, what the Word instructs:
Pro 30:5 >>> EVERY WORD <<< of God IS TRIED

Pro 30:6 >>> ADD THOU NOT <<< unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR.
---Paul9594 on 2/26/10


Lee1538, Children of the Father: Scriptures 2/4

Scripture interprets Scripture within CONTEXT,AND the INTERPRETATION/APPLICATION made CANNOT contradict the Words/WORD of Christ.

Lee, let's look at the context of Romans 10:4 to apply the principles above:

Rom 10:3 for being ignorant of God's RIGHTEOUSNESS, and seeking to establish their OWN, they did not subject themselves to the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD/CHRIST.

In other words, His Children SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO Christs/Gods righteousness AND not our own.

But what is true righteousness?

Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye dismayed at their revilings.
---Paul9594 on 2/26/10


No human being is exempt from Satan's influence. Thank God for free will.
---Deb on 2/25/10


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I agree with the moderator.
---shirley on 2/25/10


Dear Kayla4: answering your questions 1/5

I sense you are new in Christ! Are you?

Kayla, its GREAT to emphasize your walk on the Ten Commandments! This is the summary of the Law. AND IT'S A GOOD STARTIN POINT, especially for babes in Christ.

The rest of the Law, Christ teaches to keep and believers should be learning is kept based the measure of faith of the individual and its growth. This is different with every believer.

We keep the Law in the Spirit of love: Christ. There is no better example!

Should we not have the manners and mindset of Christ?

Well, Christ had the manners and mindset of His Fathers Torah, the Law and the Prophets.
And not of the Pharisess, what a difference!
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


MarkV:
Said:
Paul, no human being is able to keep the law... ///

Abraham's faith shown, in Genesis 15:6
And he believed in Jehovah, and he reckoned it to him for righteousness.

Abraham is credited in keeping the Father's laws, in Genesis 26:5:

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

Genesis 26:5, comes from the Father's own lips!

So did Abraham keep the Father's laws with faith in Christ or not?

Abraham ONE MAN OF FAITH THAT Kept his statues, His laws(torah)!

How is it that Abraham kept His Laws?
Should we deny what the Father affirms?
Waiting for your answer.
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


Romans 10:4 The word translated 'end' means that which completes a thing, or renders it perfect, also the boundary, issue, or termination of anything, as the end of life, the result of a prophecy, etc., #Joh 13:1 Lu 22:37. I

It also means the design or object which is had in view, the principal purpose for which it was undertaken. #1Ti 1:5, 'The end of the commandment is charity,' the main design or purpose of the command is to produce love. #1Pe 1:9, 'The end of your faith, the salvation of your souls,' the main design or purpose of faith is to secure salvation. #Ro 14:9, 'To this end Christ both died,' etc., for this design or purpose. This is doubtless its meaning here.
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


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Kayla4, lee1538: 3/3
True teaching about the Law and what its connected to, from Christs own lips!

Mat 22:38 the great and first commandment, love God, with all heart and mind,

And a second Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

ON these TWO commandments (of love) the WHOLE law >> HANGETH <<, and the prophets.

Christ connects, hangs love with the Law!
Paul would not contradict Christ teaching and unlink the Law from the Laws of love! 1 tim. 3-4

But what do some Christians do?

Unhang, disconnect, unlink, the Law and Prophets from the two greatest commandments of love!

Can anyone show me a verse where it reads: Christ disconnects the Law from the TWO greatest commandment of love?
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


Paul9594 //Isn't it true that the word end can also have the meaning of: THE END GOAL?

It really could mean just about anything you want it to mean.

However, one principle of properly interpreting scripture is to interpret scripture with scripture.

In your interpretation you may have to twist bend multilate, etc. etc. other scripture to get it to agree with what you want to believe.

And such is from those who would create confusion in the church.

Consult the commentaries written by those the Lord has called into the ministry of His church and chances are you will not be mislead.
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


Kayla4, lee1538: 3/3
True teaching about the Law and what its connected to, from Christ's own lips!

Mat 22:38
The great first commandment, love God, with all heart and mind,

Second Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

ON these TWO commandments (of love) the WHOLE law >> HANGETH <<, and the prophets.

Christ connects, hangs love with His Law!
Paul would not contradict Christ teaching and unlink the Law from the Laws of love! 1 timothy. 6:3-4

But what do some Christians do?

Unhang, disconnect, unlink, the Law and Prophets from the two greatest commandments of love!

Can anyone show me a verse where it reads: Christ disconnects the Law from the TWO greatest commandment of love?
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


Lee1538, Kayla4: end goal 2/3

Isn't it true that the word end can also have the meaning of: THE END GOAL?

For example:
Love is the end of true romance. Am I saying the love ends/finished romance? No!
I'm saying love is the end goal of true romance!

IN the same way:

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Really means:

For Christ is the END GOAL of the Law, His righteousness is for everyone who believes in the power of the cross and Power Of the Holy Spirit to walk after His commandments!

Would you teach the law is established with faith and then say, FAITH ENDS THE LAW? No! Neither would Paul!
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


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Lee1538 posted: end goal 1/3
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.///

Didn't Paul write the whole book of Romans?
Even, Romans 3:31, where he said:
Do we then make the law of NONE effect through FAITH? God forbid: NAY, we ESTABLISH the law.

So first He said, we establish the Law WITH FAITH, and then LATER contradict himself with: Romans 10:4 to mean: the Law has ended!

Would you contradict yourself in this way? No? Good.

So what is the meaning of word "end" in THIS verse? That would not contradict this very emphatic teaching of Paul or Christ's EMPHATIC teaching?


Isnt it true that the word end can also have the meaning of: THE END GOAL?
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


MarkV - thank you so very much. It is good to know that I have true Christian brothers and sisters on this forum.
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


Lee, I did write to you. Peace
---MarkV. on 2/24/10


MarkV //Could you do me a favor and get in touch with me at CN email Lee9538 there is a couple of things I truly need to discuss with you?

Correction.

That should have been Lee1538.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


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MarkV - it is very apparent as you mentioned before, there are some on this forum that are not genuine Christians as they teach another gospel & another Jesus, contrary to what His church teaches.

They like their condemned master, constantly accuses Christians of being lawless. Rev.12:10.

While I find it hard to conceive the Spirit of God can co-exist with a demon, I agree with the moderator demons can afflict the mind of the Christian.

Could you do me a favor and get in touch with me at CN email Lee9538 there is a couple of things I truly need to discuss with you?
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


The pastor couldn't call the demons out because he lacked faith, he had not been praying and fasting. In Matthew 17 the disciples asked Jesus why they could not heal the man that was possessed and he told them, "This kind goeth not out but through prayer and fasting." Some demons flee easily. Others are more stubborn and legalistic.
---Fay on 2/23/10


Donna66, I'm with you, Leon, Jim and some others, a demon cannot possess a genuine Christian. When Donna came to Christ in 1983, she was not cleaned of everything in a twinkling of an eye. It is a life long work of the Spirit. What she had might not have been taken care of by the Spirit until much time later. Every single person when they come to Christ is carrying so many habits, bad feelings and just garbish. Rebirth is only the beginning of a new life. The cleaning has just began.
The problem is that many who follow the gifts of the Spirit are following the carnal Corinthian Church habits, and they were very bad. Now we have the same thing. God can put a thorn on anyone's side but not give you the Holy Spirit and a demon to go along.
---MarkV. on 2/21/10


Donna66 thanks for sticking with me on this. I would absolutely agree with you except when my friend brought me to a deliverance meeting (which I resisted going for 2 hours that night), and they started calling out a spirit of rejection, I began to hiss and scream and the moderator of the meeting sat next to me and spent 2 hours besides me calling demons out of me....like the woman in the bible, was it Mary Magdelene? Seven demons were casted out of her. I feel I had more than seven. AND that night changed my life. That was when the Lord began to do mighty things in my life because that demon wasn't holding me back anylonger.
---Donna on 2/8/10


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Donna66 - if I was only suffering from a "feeling" of rejection, what would be causing me to "feel" that way?

I had to learn about Spiritual Warfare the hard way, by walking things out. SO I know now, after walking with the Lord for 27 years that there's a difference between just feeling rejected and actually living with a spirit of rejection. If I hadn't changed, then I'd agree with you, it's just a feeling I had, but something was causing that feeling and it was a demon, a spirit of rejection. Thanks for understanding what I went through. God Bless!
---Donna on 2/8/10


Donna- You could as well say you suffered from a feeling of rejection all your life. (Not everything is a demon)
The past hurts in our lives don't vanish the moment we are saved. The Lord usually has to take some time preparing us to be healed from them.
---Donna66 on 2/8/10


Donna66, you make a great point.Unfortunately,I am speaking from experience.

I got saved in 1983. I did not know I had a spirit of rejection living inside of me from when I was a child. I rec'd the Baptism of the Holy Spirit a week after I got saved, yet I was still bound by that spirit of rejection.

A year went by and finally one night I went to a deliverance service, and I got set free.

I lived my entire life with a spirit of rejection and I lived with it a YEAR after I got saved. I have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I cannot explain this, only tell you what I lived out.
The demons did end up coming out. Where did that demon live? And why, when the HS came, didn't that demon leave automatically?
---Donna on 2/8/10


Donna-
//Plus a demon resides in a person's flesh, their body, the Holy Spirit resides with our spirit. A person who gets saved, their demons don't voluntarily leave do they? "here comes the Holy Spirit, let's get out of here" is not what they do. //

What scripture leads you to this conclusion?
The spirits that inhabited the wild man of the Gadarenes, understood they would have to leave in the presence of Jesus. They wanted to stay, but JESUS was in control! They didn't want to be sent out of the country, so they begged to enter a nearby herd of swine. (See Mark 5-19) and Jesus gave them permission..

The Holy Spirit who enters the new Christian is surely as powerful now, as Jesus was then.
---Donna66 on 2/5/10


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mima, how about when the demons spoke in the book of Acts when people tried to cast out demons and they got devoured.

They said to the man trying to cast them out, "Paul we know and Jesus we know, but who are you?"

Could it be that the demons know who knows their authority in Jesus? Could that be the reason they don't come out when an ordinary Christian tries to cast them out.

Just like there are gifts of healing, miracles, wouldn't discerning of spirits have to be a gift you have in order to discern which demons are operating in a person and THEN you can cast them out?
---Donna on 2/5/10


The Moderator is correct. However, a Christian cannot be possessed by demons, because demons and the living God can not live together. Thank God He helps us! Ahh. Satan, unfortunately knows and probably understands our weaknesses, and he plays on them. It is God's job to make us strong enough, so the devil cannot have such a hay-day with us. Must stay on guard, even when you gain victories. Secular, yes. Spiritual realm, yes. Hold on to your victories. Remember, all victories comes from God. Demons are no fun. And no Christian, no person is strong enough. It takes God. His Blood. Less you shall lose it.
---catherine on 2/5/10


Paul had that "thorn in the flesh...a messenger of Satan to buffet me" (2 Corinthians 12:7-15). I consider, that "thorn" was a devil with *various* powers to mess with Paul. Whenever Paul tried to control things in his own ego, that thorn demon could parry past Paul's defenses, pop his puffed-up ego, and inject him with rage, frustration, depression, unforgiveness, etc. Then Paul had a little talk with Jesus, and Jesus said, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." So, Paul got the message of that devil's messing > while we stay and obey in God's almighty grace, we succeed in what God guides us to do, and are safe from how Satan would mess with us, emotionally and spiritually.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/5/10


To Donna, your question about the pastor being unable to cast out demons would seem to fall under one of two headings. Perhaps the pastor was himself not saved. Remember
"And these signs shall follow them that believe" the other cause might be misidentification of demons. At this distance I would lean towards the first cause. I may have more to say about this later with your permission.
---mima on 2/5/10


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I wouldn't want to keep one, and I don,t think they are legal in all states. They can be tricky and more demanding that other pets and can cause dissension amoung familily members. As pet for chilren that can be loyal but problematic, often overproctive, cause trying and diffult explanations with the parent of the neigborhood parents. I have one who spoke in my forcing me to do whatever he said l should do. I garthered the strenght to pu it in the microwave
---atheist on 2/5/10


"Can a Christian have a demon?" What exactly is a "demon"?
If you are referring to an evil spirit, we can all have a bad attitude or fall subject to harmful influences at times. However a "Christian" as one who follows the teachings of Jesus, in-dwelt and empowered of His Spirit, will never possess a malicious disposition or character. For that disposition or character would be in direct opposition to His indwelling presence, and by His presence and influence, any evil thought or influence will be immediately brought under subjection to Christ in us through the truth and power of His word.
---Josef on 2/5/10


If you mean demon possession, the answer is clearly no. Satan and his demons cannot inhabit a vessel where the Holy Spirit lives. The moderator is correct however, in that a demon can oppress, attack, frighten or even cause illness/death but only if the Christian is walking outside of Gods will and can find an opening. We overcome by the BLOOD of Jesus and the WORD of our testimony. If we resist the Devil, he must flee from us. I think we sometimes confuse character flaws or sin with demonic activity.
---jody on 2/4/10


JIM asked: How can a demon come in you if the Holy Spirit already resides in you.

Jim, Eve was deceived while walking in the LIGHT. She was in perfect fellowship with God and THEN the serpent lied to her and she believed a lie - that's how. WHY did she believe a serpent over God's word? Once you open a door for satan to come in through sin, by sinning, he has authority over your life in certain areas.

Plus a demon resides in a person's flesh, their body, the Holy Spirit resides with our spirit. A person who gets saved, their demons don't voluntarily leave do they? "here comes the Holy Spirit, let's get out of here" is not what they do. Amen?
---Donna on 2/4/10


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mima, I believe that also. However, I watched a Pastor for many hours calling out demons out of this woman who had many and NONE of them would even manifest and she wanted them out. Why couldn't this Pastor cast them out?
He was doing it in Jesus name. He was commanding them to come out.

To this day, this woman is still damaged from that because she now calls this Pastor a fake. I don't agree with that. I believe it's because he just wasn't anointed in that area to cast out demons. Neither were any of the other Pastors whose churches I attended. It was like watching a circus, call out the demon, the demon doesn't come out, keep it up for 2 hours lasting way passed midnight and the demons would not even manifest.why is that mima?
---Donna on 2/4/10


I do not think so. As a Christian the Holy Spirit resides in us. How can a demon come in you if the Holy Spirit already resides in you.
---JIM on 2/4/10


\\Donna this part of your answer,"and it takes someone with the anointing to do this" I do not agree with. I am under the impression and belief that all Christians can cast out demons.
---mima on 2/4/10\\

mima, compare your words with the Word of God given to St. Paul, who asked these questions:

Are all apostles?s? Do all prophecy? Do all heal? Do all speak with tongues? (1 Cor 12:29-30)

To these questions--which clearly require the answer "no", one may add, "Do all cast out demons?"
---Cluny on 2/4/10


Very often, misunderstandings about spiritual things are simply due to the language/terms used. Spiritual JARGON/lingo always prevents understanding.

In vernacular terms, a demon can HARASS/tempt/nag a Christian who is "open" to the demon's suggestions/influence.

If the Christian is prideful/corrupt/unjust, etc., they INVITE the demon, but, if they are a righteous person, satan will simply be wasting his time by sending a demon.

If a person has a Godly nature/spirit, then "you know WHAT" restrains all evil spirits from bothering us....

2 Thessalonians 2:6
"And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time".

The devil has no HOLD on a righteous man.
---more_excellent_way on 2/4/10


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Donna this part of your answer,"and it takes someone with the anointing to do this" I do not agree with. I am under the impression and belief that all Christians can cast out demons.
---mima on 2/4/10


If a person has a demon BEFORE they get saved, just because they repent of their sins and ask Jesus to come into their heart and be Lord and Savior of their life, the demon doesn't voluntarily leave that person.

So what happens then? When a person gets saved and has let's say a spirit of rejection or a root of bitterness.

DEMONS DO NOT VOLUNTARILY say, "Oh here comes the Holy Spirit, we'd better get out of here."

They must be commanded to come out in Jesus name and it takes someone with the anointing to do this - demons will resist until the cows come home. So a Christian can indeed have a demon. It dwells in their flesh part of their body, not in their spirit at all.
---Donna on 2/4/10


NO!!! Why would any Christian in his/her right mind want to, "have a demon."? I think you meant to ask if a Christian can be possessed by demons. Again, NO!!!

I agree with the Mod in that demons can externally oppress, repress, harass & depress Christians. But, demons can never "possess" a Christian.
---Leon on 2/4/10


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