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>Who are the first four apostles?

Not relevant. All you need to know is that there were 12.
---djconklin on 2/15/10


Earl, please supply the Bible references upon which you base your apostles claim.
---Warwick on 2/15/10


Peter, Andrew, James and John
The only different account as far as who is the Gospel of John in which it is not said when James and John became disciples.
Jhn 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
---MIchael on 2/15/10


Warwick,Leon,Gary and others,
One more time before the 75 limit is up.Who are the first four apostles?How difficult is it to name the first four ?
---earl on 2/15/10


Gary,
Who said I was trying to find biblical contradictions?You did.Did I -no.
---earl on 2/15/10




Consider another,
Ex.20.11 VS. Deut.5.15.
What is the reason for keeping the sabbath?
---earl on 2/15/10


Earl, you wrote "What makes you think I do not have faith in God?" Because of what you write Earl.

"Are you not also judging." Depends upon how you define "judging." If you are saying I have found you guilty and sentenced you (as judges do) then you are wrong. However I am judging (discerning) from your writings that you seek contraditions in God's word. This is not the sign of a faithful Christian, the opposite.

You have been shown, via Scripture, that your "contradictions" do not exist. However you persit with your understanding, not accepting what God says in His word.

Are you a Christian Earl? What denomination?
---Warwick on 2/15/10


"The bible suffers from,
editing,...from history passed on verbally..."---earl on 2/13/10
"I am plainly reading biblical text"---earl on 2/15/10
"Contradiction -yes/no?"---earl on 2/13/10
---MIchael on 2/15/10


Earl: You apparently think you're not, but you are in rebellion against God! That's why you can't hear what you read in the Bible with understanding. Your mind is blinded. (2 Cor. 4:1-4)

Privately interpreting? That's what you're doing by trying to point out contradictions in the Bible based soley upon your personal points of view. God designed the Bible to be interpreted by God the Holy Spirit alone. (Jn. 14:15-26, 15:26) You nor I, or anybody else, have the ability to do so apart from God revealing what He wants us to know at different stages of our Christian walk.

Speaking of Christian walk, I don't recall you ever making any kind of profession to being a Christian (a follower of Jesus Christ). Are you?
---Leon on 2/15/10


Earl - here is some brotherly advice. Instead of trying to find contradictions in the Bible, why not pray to God to reveal the truth to you.

When you read the Bible, and find what you think is a contradiction, stop and pray. Over time God will reveal His truth to you.

Anytime I think I have found a contradiction, I know I have interpreted something wrong. That's when praying and hard study pay off.

Without The Spirit, you will never understand what God is saying.
---Gary on 2/15/10




Leon,
Who is rebelling against God?I am not.
I am plainly reading biblical text.It seems you are privately interpreting .
---earl on 2/15/10


Warwick,
What makes you think I do not have faith in God?Are you not also judging.I am plainly reading biblical text.It also seems you are privately interpreting.
---earl on 2/15/10


Earl, if you believe (relying on your own understanding) that Scripturally speaking a) contradicts b) then you must consider d) also may contradict c)and e) contradict f). You may reply, that it doesn't but you judge this only by very limited human understanding, a weakness common to all.

What is not common though is faith as explained in Hebrews ch.11. The faith which enables the faithful to live victorious lives, to die in the sure and certain hope they will rise again to eternal life. Only because God's word tells them so. You don't have this faith but rather tell God His word is flawed. A little arrogant for a human don't you think.
---Warwick on 2/14/10


Here's something for you to "consider" Earl: Is it possible you're wrong & All-Knowing God is right? If so, do you think your rebellion against God pleases Him? If it doesn't please Him, will you have to sooner or later pay the consequences for your sin?
---Leon on 2/14/10


Consider another,
Compare the four gospels to see who are the first four apostles.
Who was first,second,third and fourth?
Where were they?
What were they doing when they began to follow Jesus?
Which gospel is correct?
Even from this Jesus' teachings remain steadfast to this day.
---earl on 2/14/10


The bible DOES contradict itself.

I could make you believe in anything your heart desires just as Satan did to Eve and how he tried to do with Jesus. I could take any phrase in the bible and twist it around to make you believe in something. This is another reason why the world has so many different christian religions which are you man-made denominational churches.

YES, the bible DOES contradict itself, but only to those who don't believe and don't have faith in the Father and his son, Jesus. In other words, they don't understand spiritual matters using worldly knowledge.
---Steveng on 2/14/10


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I agree with gary..
If we disagree, it is not the Bible that contradicts but our interpretation.
Pro 12:15 The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel [is] wise.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Hbr 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
---Michael on 2/14/10


Earl, Romans 3:23 does indeed say "all have sinned." This is talking in the (then) present, and obviously to us today who have experienced redemption via Jesus.

Romans chapter 5 does not contradict this. It explains how sin and death came through Adam. It says death reigned over those who lived between Adam and Moses. Over those "who did not sin by breaking a command as did Adam." Adam was commanded not to eat of a certain tree, but did. Those who followed Adam obviously were not under this command, and were yet to receive the law. They could not sin by breaking Gods commands, as they had none. But none the less they sinned (all having now inherited a sin nature from Adam) and paid the price. All have sinned.
---Warwick on 2/14/10


I thank you Gary.
This for sure, it's wine for communion.
There are some ministers that has a double standard, 1 line for wine & 1 line for grape juice for communion, those ministes Are here, James 1 v 8.
---Lawrence on 2/14/10


Elijah was "likely" the greatest prophet & one of the most colorful, & outspoken men in the OT. "Like" John the Baptist, of whom Jesus said there was none greater born of women, Elijah clashed often with Ahab, the ruler of his day. So, Jezebel (Ahab's wife) sought to kill him. "Likewise", John clashed often with the ruler of his day -- Herod Antipas. So, Herodias (Herod's wife) sought & eventually engineered John's execution.

Bottomline: John wasn't literally Elijah. His zeal & spirit was "LIKE", & therefore symbolically "LIKENED" (figuratively compared) by Jesus to Elijah.

"He that has ears to hear, let him hear." Mat. 11:15
---Leon on 2/14/10


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Michael and Gary,Compare your two replies and is there an agreement that one is saying the same as the other?If not is there a contradiction?Yes/No?
---earl on 2/14/10

There is NO contradiction in the Bible, Earl. Whether Michael and I contradict each other by own interpretations has nothing to do with whether or not the Bible contradicts itself.

I have proven that already and am not going to keep showing you your errors in interpretation.
---Gary on 2/14/10


Michael and Gary,Compare your two replies and is there an agreement that one is saying the same as the other?If not is there a contradiction?Yes/No?
---earl on 2/14/10


Consider another,
Mat.11.14-Jesus states John the baptist is Elijah.
VS-Jo.1.21-John the baptist states that he is not Elijah.
Elijah -was at the transfiguration-yes/no?
But again this does not depleat the great revelation -Jesus.
---earl on 2/14/10


Earl - No. There is NO contradiction.

Re Romans 5:14 - Law was not in the world from Adam to Moses during the space of about 2500 years, for, after Adams transgression, that law was abrogated, and, from that time, men were either under the general covenant of grace given to Adam or Noah, or under that which was specially made with Abraham.

Re Romans 3:23 - You have to start with verse 22 to keep it in context. These verses are talking about those who have faith in Jesus Christ. Since no one knew Jesus Christ before the law of Moses, verse 23 is not talking about those who lived from Adam to Moses.
---Gary on 2/13/10


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in context...
Rom 3:23 means what it says...
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
--all have sinned but not the same sin as Adam
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
---MIchael on 2/13/10


Because you're not paying attention, you're as squirelly as ever earl. :)
---Leon on 2/14/10


Ro.5.14"even over them that had not sinned".
VS.Ro.3.23 "For all have sinned....."
Contradiction -yes/no?
The bible suffers from,
editing,
from not understanding the meaning of revelation,
from no copyright,
from it's earliest known writting connected to it was in the 10th century b.c.-This comes from two sources,
from history passed on verbally through generations without a written language,
other religious influences,
from unknown translators,
from lost sections such as Mark's gospel and book of revelation,
from lack of printing press techniques,
and there are other reasons but overall it is well and sufficient for you to discover God.
---earl on 2/13/10


In context:
Lev 10:9 was directed to the priestly offices not to drink wine nor stronk drink when entering the tabernacle (ref 1Tim 3:3).
1Tim5:23 is to all believers.
no comparison, hence no need to claim a relevance or contradictory issue.
---MIchael on 2/13/10


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The Bible is a contradiction (makes no sense, is foolishness) to people who don't have an ear to hear what God wants to say to them thru it. But, the more one willingly reads & listens to (pays attention, spends time in) the Bible, the clearer the voice of God becomes to the hearer. This is not true of people who reject God & His word (the Bible).
---Leon on 2/13/10


Lawrence - You are mistaken.

Leviticus 10:9 (KJV)- Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

1 Timothy 5:23 (KJV)- Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomachs sake and thine often infirmities.

Leviticus 10:9 is regarding going into the tabernacle and 1 Timothy 5:23 is dealing with your health.

Leviticus is part of the Mosaic law which ended at the cross.
---Gary on 2/13/10


//Why should an atheist care?//
Jerry on 2/13/10.
I have wondered the same thing.

Why is an atheist even on a Christian Blog?
I Can't answer these questions...
atheist,perhaps you will.
I could only guess and I could be wrong...but here it goes.

a).Doesn't really care and is just
trying to Shake-up the foundation of a Believer.
Or...
b).Maybe truly seeking and needs solid answers.
---char on 2/13/10


Sorry. Aft I looked up the word contradict(deny,appose), I guess maybe contradict isn't the word to use. I think the word relavence is the word to use. Then again it seems contrary like here, in the O-Testament in one place it says dont (a certain thing) & in the N-Testament it says okay (about the same thing). Like here, Lev.10 v 9 then 1st. Tim.5 v 23.
It's not grape juice or it would prob say, woo-woo-woo Welches.
---Lawrence on 2/13/10


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If you find what you think you have found a contradiction, try applying 2 tim 2:15 to your study. Or you can get a commetary and see what the common-tater thinks it says
---michael_e on 2/13/10


Why should an atheist care? The Bible does not contradict itself. When you come across an apparent contradiction, rest assured that the problem is with YOU, most likely because you have a faulty understanding or erroneous preconceived belief about one side of the issue.
---jerry6593 on 2/13/10


Here is my advice on contradictions.

When you find a contradiction, do some research in it. Try Naves Topical Bible, it is arranged by subject. Find Scriptures on both sides of the issue and start a "t" chart, like you use in Accounting 101. Plot the scriptures on one side or the other of the contradiction.

At the end you will find that the majority of passages will be on one side or the other. The side with the most passages is the true nature of the contradiction. The side with the fewest passages is the side where your understanding is the weakest. Put those passages on a shelf and come back to them later. You will find the HS will give you new insight and might solve the contradiction.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/12/10


So I take it that it requires bible knowledge to know 'god'.

So why did 'god' chose such a clumsy vehicle to express himself?
Doesn't 'god' want everyone to know about him?
---atheist on 2/12/10 The biggest misconception/false doctrine taught is that the Bible is written for everyone.
The Bible is written by the lineage of Israel. To and about Is-ra-EL, for Israel....the nations of.

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people, for ye were the fewest of all people:
---Trav on 2/12/10


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Trav 2/12/10- ..Christ did not come just for the 'house' of Judah. The scripture says Christ came for the 'lost sheep of ISRAEL'.
---David8318 on 2/12/10

His Own was Judah,his Nation, His tribe. His family...technically undivorced, still married to GOD.
Mark 6:4
But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his OWN country, and among his OWN kin, and in his OWN house.

John 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

The Lost Sheep/Nth House/Nations were divorced. A technicality that is resolved by his death. Now, both Sticks/Houses can be reunited....As per New Covenant.
---Trav on 2/12/10


The 'other sheep' of John 10:16 are not of this heavenly Kingdom government fold of 144,000.
---David8318 on 2/12/10

If they are sheep they are.
Israel, is the only one I can find listed as sheep. Perhaps you've found different?

Psalm 100:3
Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves, we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

This next verse stands out...because it is witnessed here on a Christian site or most sites.

Ezekiel 34:6
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and NONE did SEARCH or SEEK after THEM.

Jeremiah 50:17
Israel is a scattered sheep,....
---Trav on 2/12/10


In some places it may seen like that it does contradict. If it does, God has The Right to do so because He Is The Author of The Book
****

Nice opinion yet not biblical

The Father in Heaven does not contradict himself "cus he has a right"

All TRUTH is from The Father

God is the NOT the author of chaos and lies

the father of lies is Satan who is the god of this world wants people to believe the lies and confusion of religious christianity
---Rhonda on 2/12/10


no it never contradicts itself
---kyla on 2/12/10


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In some places it may seen like that it does contradict. If it does, God has The Right to do so because He Is The Author of The Book & we dont understand, some things we'r Not to understand or to know why.
Like scripture says, there's no new thing under the sun, there maybe to man But, not to God.
---Lawrence on 2/12/10


-- Atheist :

/// why did God chose a clumsy vehicle to express Himself? ///

Brother, To Understand God's Knowledgeable Word requires the Wisdom of His Holy Spirit : Fear of the LORD, that is Wisdom & to depart from evil is Understanding. Job 28:28

The Spirit of God is the vehicle He uses to express His Will by Teaching, Guiding & keeping His Elect in Remembrance of His Word.

Atheist, Only the natural man who receives not the things of the Spirit of God, thinks this method of communication is clumsy & contradictory, b/c the Will of His Word is Spiritually Discerned : and is only seen & heard by him as foolishness which is why he's unable to rightly perceive God's Word, wherever it may be found(John 21:25).
---ShawnM.T. on 2/12/10


God could have given Adam book of instruction,but he couldn't read or write.
When writing was invented then God gave Moses 10 instructions,then a series of laws and prophecies. When these prophecies were completed (in Christ) it was finished!
The gospels were a documentary of Jesus' earthly sojourn.
That "every" word is God-breathed is pure conjecture!
If you don't get the picture with the laws,prophets and psalms ,you just don't "get it!"
What I contrasted was the"hurry" to create and the "time" to write! 6- 24hr.days nah!
---1st_cliff on 2/12/10


"God made the universe in 7 days and took 4,000 years to write a book?
Reality check!"
1st_cliff
Come on Cliff. How long has it taken to write the history of the USA? How about world history? You have got to get away from Mr. Campbell as I have told you before. Start trusting God and what he has said instead of someone who needs Him as Savior.
You are a great person as far as I am concerned. You know my feelings. But, it really is time to accept the truth and stop using "speculation" as a reason to not believe.
---Elder on 2/12/10


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1st cliff, the Bible was written over a period of about 1600 years by 40-41 different authors(men). The true "author" of the Bible is the Holy Spirit, and the Bible is intended for believers. Anyone who tries to understand it without salvation and the Holy Spirit's power are going to find supposed errors. It would be better for that person to receive the facts that there is a God whom we will all stand before to give account of ourselves someday. The Bible IS God's word in writing and I believe He has the power to present it without error to us even today.
---tommy3007 on 2/12/10


Calling it "God breathed" is little more than superstitious. Many authors are unknown! Some events -Questionable like the sun standing still for 24 hours..I guess!
God made the universe in 7 days and took 4,000 years to write a book?
Reality check!
---1st_cliff on 2/11/10

The Bible itself resolves this:

2 Peter 1:21 "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God"

Your reality is faithless.


---Mark_Eaton on 2/12/10


Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things], that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself,
25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad, that turneth wise [men] backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish,
1Cr 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty,
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
---MIchael on 2/12/10


A': Sure, "God" wants everyone to come into a saving knowledge of Himself. God loves us ALL.

To know "God", you must recognize He is GOD! He has shown Himself in creating you & the rest of us. God shows Himself in nature, in the cosmos (our solar system & galaxy, & in other galaxies throughout the universe). He also shows Himself in the Bible "He wrote". We have no excuse for not knowing Him.

You don't know God because you don't want to. You've chosen an atheistic scrip over God's Scripture & have closed your mind to God's knowledge (written & otherwise). So, you can't possibly know Him or His universal agenda as long as your thinking is warped & far removed from reality.
---Leon on 2/12/10


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Leon,

So I take it that it requires bible knowledge to know 'god'.

So why did 'god' chose such a clumsy vehicle to express himself? Why did he leave only this method of communication that requires that only the well studied, and therefore the few and elite, to understand his 'word'?

Doesn't 'god' want everyone to know about him?
---atheist on 2/12/10


atheist, Why does the Bible Prove Itself?
---Eloy on 2/12/10


A' & Cliff are opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. Their Bible knowledge combined isn't worth a plugged nickle. :/
---Leon on 2/11/10


Atheist--
Context is everything...even Christians sometimes forget this. To understand the Bible well, you need to take into account who was speaking and who was listening. What were their backgrounds? What was occuring at the time? Anyone (God included) may emphasize different ideas to different people in different situations and not be inconsistant.

I'm glad you are reading the Bible, even if your goal is to prove it unreliable.
---Donna66 on 2/11/10


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What amazes me is the term "itself" as tho the bible was "one book"..if you haven't noticed it's 66 books!
Calling it "God breathed" is little more than superstitious. Many authors are unknown! Some events -Questionable like the sun standing still for 24 hours..I guess!
God made the universe in 7 days and took 4,000 years to write a book?
Reality check!
---1st_cliff on 2/11/10


Atheist:

I have examined your "evidence" and it is flawed.

Your first set of scriptures uses a colloquialism "face to face" when in fact, God has no face. He is a spirit. The Bible uses this expression so we know how the conversation transpired.

Your second set of scripture is from the KJV, written in the 15th century, using a form of English no one alive uses. Try the NASB. It says "The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart". But again, God has no heart, so it is another expression for OUR benefit.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/11/10


No the Bible does not contradict itself.

The book of Acts gives insight into how God spoke to Moses. At Acts 7:53 Moses received the 'Law as transmitted by angels'. So Moses did not literally 'see' Almighty God. God evidently used angels to transmit the 'Law' to Moses.

There wouldn't have been any doubt in Moses mind that he was communicating with the Almighty God. Moses didn't go up Mt.Sinai expecting to speak with anyone other than God. God had chosen Moses to be used as a mediator between God and man in transmitting the 'Law' to Israel.

But nobody being able to 'see' God and live, God used angels to transmit the Law to Moses.
---David8318 on 2/11/10


A': no doubt you'll say something trite (worn out by many other A's) like the Bible was written by mere men. Leon, 2/11

"...how can so many claim the Bible to be the word of 'god', if...it is the work of imperfect men..." A', 2/11

Atheist & other like-minded people are too predictable. They all speak, in mindless unison, the same age old lie of the devil.
---Leon on 2/11/10


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Why does the Bible Contradict Itself?

The Bible does NOT Contradict itself
We must rightly divide the word of God,
before The Cross & after The Cross
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---Gabby on 2/11/10


God does not contradict Himself.If the scripture appears to have a contradiction it maybe a weak translation.Study the Hebrew,aramaic and Greek.The Holy Spirit as teacher will lead and Guide.Trust Him.
If one doesn't Believe God exist:the Word means nothing to them.
---char on 2/11/10


Atheist: when I was an atheist and tried to read scripture I would find myself getting stuck on a passage which seemed to make no sense or seemed to contradict itself. I had no church experience or training and did not know the Lord Jesus Christ. My understanding was hampered bc I did not have help from the Holy Spirit in my reading. Satan loves to get you stuck on one passage or a word. However, once I was saved, this never happened again. I never found a contradiction because there are none. God speaks to me through the Bible all of the time. It is alive.
---jody on 2/11/10


Atheist,

The Hebrew word translated "face" at Ex. 33:11 is "Pa-nem."

While it can literally mean "face" the word can also mean (as noted in Strong's Concordance: "Presence...before and behind, toward, in front of, forward..." Etc.

"Pa-nem" has been translated (in the AV) as "presence" 76 times, "before" 1137 times, etc.

This is not a contradiction. When compared to the other verses that you have cited (and when examining the original Hebrew) it's clear that Moses was in the presence of God but did not actually see him.
---scott on 2/11/10


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--- Atheist :

Brother, Any contradictions that are perceived in the Bible stems from the natural man's inability to Spiritually Hear the Word of God's !!!

God is not the author of confusion nor does His Word return to Him Void : Which things also we're to speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost Teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things that we might know the things freely given to us of God .... but the natural man receiveth not these things of the Spirit of God b/c they are Spiritually Discerned and are seen & heard by him as contradictions which he finds foolish : and is why he's unable to rightly perceive God's Word, where every it may be found(John 21:25).
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/11/10


Not really. But comparing each and every word, it may appear to. For instance, 4 different men each wrote a "Gospel", an account of Jesus' life. The accounts are not identical in content nor in every detail. But ask any four people what they remember about ANYTHING and the result are similar!
These variations actually speak to the authenticity of their writings. They did not collaborate, otherwise they would be perfectly consistant. Isn't it amazing that they, independently, wrote and agreed upon so many things.

Comparisons in the OT are far more difficult since the writings span centuries and every verse must be interpreted in CONTEXT. The OT is rich in parable, allegory, prophesy and poetry, which require intepretation.
---Donna66 on 2/11/10


The stories in the Bible often give us neither clear instruction from 'god' or a clear explanation of what we are to learn from those stories.
---atheist on 2/11/10

That's where a true born-again believer's Holy Spirit takes over. When I read the Bible, the Spirit shows me what I am to learn from it.

That's my beef with so many I know that go to Bible Study classes each week but never understand how to apply what they learn to their own lives. Only The Holy Spirit can show you the true meaning.
---Gary on 2/11/10


Cluny,

I do not disagree. But how can so many claim the Bible to be the word of 'god', if as you say it is the work of imperfect men and thus fallible and subject to contradiction?

And how can some people use the the Bible to define what is moral or immoral? The stories in the Bible often give us neither clear instruction from 'god' or a clear explanation of what we are to learn from those stories.


I would feel quite unhuman if I never contradicted myself, or my thinking about a thing never change. That would make the brain quite a useless organ.
---atheist on 2/11/10


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\\That argument makes sense if we treat the Bible as a fallible and malleable work of imperfect men.\\

It cannot be denied that fallible, malleable, imperfect, and yes, sinful men were involved in its compostion.

My point, which atheist is missing, is that we ourselves say ostensibly contradictory things at different times depending on the context and conditions under which we said them. I'm sure if I were get my hands on a transcript of everything atheist--or me, or you--I could cherry-pick such contradictions.

The supposed contradictions in the Bible should be understood this way.
---Cluny on 2/11/10


James1:17 Every... gift is from above, coming down from the Father...who does not change like shifting shadows.

Malachi3:6 I am the Lord, I do not change.

Ezekiel24:14 I the Lord have spoken it, it shall come to pass and I will do it, I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I relent, according to your ways and according to your doings shall they judge and punish you, says the Lord God.

Numbers23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Apparently 'god' does not change nor repent.

But: Genesis6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth.
---atheist on 2/11/10


Cluny:

That argument makes sense if we treat the Bible as a fallible and malleable work of imperfect men. But if we treat the Bible as an inerrant and immutable work of a perfect God (who is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8)), it no longer makes sense.

Rocks don't suddenly start falling UP because the laws of physics have changed since Newton's day either. If they DO, we usually suspect something else is amiss.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/10


Atheist, that is a challenging one, but there are more challenging ones. It says he talked face to face, but it does not say he actually was looking at God's face. Also, Moses did die . . . later. He didn't say when someone would die. But this could be just me talking my way around this, with merely my own intellectual, defensive, self-justifying prowess. With God in the mix, there is always so much more and better that I can discover.

One thing I've got is that my own misunderstandings of the Bible can contradict each other.

Those scriptures are right in the same chapter, Atheist. I think He means Moses could not survive seeing Him in the *full intensity* of His glory.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/11/10


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A': Do you really expect any Christian in his/her right mind to actually stand with you & say the Bible contradicts itself? To do so would contradict one's faith & salvation. Ridiculous!

From where you stand, you can't possibly understand the Bible. You don't know (don't have a relationship with) its Author. No doubt, you'll say something trite (worn out by many other A's) like the Bible was written by mere men. You are free to choose to believe as you like regardless of how wrong you are.

The Bible is a closed book to you until such time as you choose to open your heart/ mind & eyes. Sure, you can read it all you like. But, it won't yield a clear understanding to you until you get right with God.

---Leon on 2/11/10


if by your question do you mean men misinterpret what they read then yes,remember scripture tells us that for now we know ,only in part.The one fact that all believers can rely on is God himself,his nature,his spirit,his promises.just look at the world and the people in it,are they a contradiction?well actually are they hypocrites?ABSOLUTELY.SO how well can they judge anything.
---tom2 on 2/11/10


The parts of the Bible were written at different times by (or through) different men.

I'm sure that if I were to look at various things you've said over the years, atheist, (and all of our words will be revealed at the Last Judgement), I would see where you had contradicted yourself, too.
---Cluny on 2/11/10


Gary's point exactly atheist...
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned
---MIchael on 2/10/10


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The bible cannot contradict itself.

There are different times, different societies/civilizations, different individuals, and different situations, but the PRINCIPLES (Hebrews 5:12) remain the same for every RELEVANT situation. God is INTEGRAL, and so are the things He said that are recorded in scripture, they cannot contradict themselves.

The ancient societies had SLAVES (what could they understand about freedom?...Christ brings FREEDOM). By today's standards, they were basically UNCIVILIZED (how could they really be GODLY AS WE KNOW "GODLY"?). They had different values and God spoke to them differently, but the principles remain the same for relevant situations.

Be Godly as you are, not as the ancients.
---more_excellent_way on 2/10/10


Exodus 33:11 (New International Version) The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.


John 1:18 (New International Version)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[a][b]who is at the Father's side, has made him known

Exodus 33:20 (New International Version)
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
---atheist on 2/10/10


The Holy Bible does NOT contradict itself.

Anytime you feel two verses contradict each other, you have either misinterpreted one, or both of the verses.
---Gary on 2/10/10


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