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The Feast Of Tabernacles

A fellow church member mentioned The Feast of Tabernacles but was unable to tell me where it is mentioned in the bible. Can anyone help me out? What does it mean?

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Ed - //When you make remarks like NEO-Judaizers to people who you know not, it sounds like you hate them.

I dont know if the moderators wish to post this or if there will yet be room on this tread, but these Neo-Judaizers are really what is left of the old circumcision party that Paul has so much trouble with.

Hate them? I believe it would be more accurate to say that I have much the same feeling toward them as did the Apostle Paul.

Message Bible Galatians 5:12 Why dont these agitators, obsessive as they are about circumcision, go all the way and castrate themselves!
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


Ed - //As far as a study Bible, I think a Bible with the Holy SPIRIT is all you need.

I rather doubt that the Holy Spirit will have us be limited to the Bible alone as there is much in Scripture that cannot be understood apart from the teachers the Lord has given to His church for our benefit.

It always depends upon how deep we want to go in understanding the Scripture. While you maintain that the Holy Spirit and circumcision of heart is all we need, the Holy Spirit will send those off for training whom He has called into the various ministries.

Yes we can even have a good relationship with Jesus even apart from the Bible as many illiterate have been saved in Christ.
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


//If you become circumcised in the heart and become open to the HOLY SPIRIT it will show you that many commentaries are wrong.

What is your criteria in judging some to be wrong?

While commentaries can be very useful in understanding Scripture and doctrine, some simply reflect the teachings of a certain sect, one should always approach them with some caution.

I once purchased some commentaries from a Oneness Pentecostal bookstore. They horrified me. They reject many of the key doctrines of the Christian faith.

And I would expect to see much the same horror of literature from SDA, Mormon, or Jehovah's Witnesses or other non-orthodox sects.
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


//I have three study Bible and use them as well as Matthew Henry commentaries. I do not agree with only a small part of what they teach.

I have several study Bibles and I have read all of them.

And I have dozens of commentaries - some on individual books alone, and have spend hundreds of hours studying them along with my Bible.

While I do not always agree with some of what say - I had some problems with the Abington commentary - they have revealed things that I would not have considered in my studies.
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


//Lee please show me a universal study Bible that is accepted by all Christian denominations?

That simply depicts the need the church has in those who have been called by God into the ministry of teaching.

While there are differences between Bible versions and thus interpretations, it is the commentaries that often clarified what the Bible is saying.

Unfortunately there are sects that have created their own Bible versions to get the Bible to support their unique doctrines (NWT, ClearWord Bible) and/or have adopted other sources on the same level as Scripture (Doctrines & Covenants, White's writing, Watchtower magazine, etc.)
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10




Lee1538,
When you make remarks like NEO-Judizers to people who you know not, it sounds like you hate them. I do not believe that circumcision of the flesh has anything to do with being saved.I do not believe that eating a non-kosher diet has anything to do with Salvation, nor Genealogy.
As far as a study Bible, I think a Bible with the Holy SPIRIT is all you need. If you become circumcised in the heart and become open to the HOLY SPIRIT it will show you that many commentaries are wrong.
May Peace be with you.
---Ed on 2/24/10


When someone tries to say that their council is above that of Study Bibles or commentaries written by men of God, there is good reason to find fault as they have no recognizable credentials. Lee1538

Lee please show me a universal study Bible that is accepted by all Christian denominations? That no group except SDA, LDS and JW are the only ones who have a problem with?

How about one that all Baptists find agreement with?

I have three study Bible and use them as well as Matthew Henry commentaries. I do not agree with only a small part of what they teach.
---Samuel on 2/24/10


Ed, do I really show HATE toward those who do not heed the council from Scripture or from those of whom the Lord has called into the ministry of the Word?

When someone tries to say that their council is above that of Study Bibles or commentaries written by men of God, there is good reason to find fault as they have no recognizable credentials.

Sorry but I do not recognize the view that Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witneseses have a special calling from God to reform His church by judging others on their faith and walk. They all are in judgment of His church and habitually accuse Christians of being disobedience. Rev. 12:10

Peace to those in Christ, but not to those who distort God's word. May God give them eyes that see.
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


There is little for anyone to gain from any dialog with you.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10
Sound like you just looked in a mirror. Did you see what becomes of hateful remarks unto the brothers of the SPIRIT. LOVE YOUR BROTHER AS YOURSELF,I judge you not, but be know that the Abomination That make Desolate is now moving into place, and soon we all shall be Judged.If I transgressed unto anyone here, please forgive me, as I forgive all who transgress unto me, so that it may be on Earth as it is in Heaven. May The Light Of The Lamb always guide your way, and PEACE UNTO ALL.
---Ed on 2/23/10


Instead of trashing the Study Bibles and commentaries written by those whom the Lord has calling into the ministry of His church, you and your friends would gain much more if you trashed your religion.

Too much of man-made (woman-made?) religion will simply drive you crazy and make fools of you. Perhaps you and some of your friends have already reached that plateau?

So very sorry but I will stick with that faith that was once and for all delivered to His saints (Jude 3) while we will permit those who are determined to be spiritual blind and deaf simply march off into perdition.

There is little for anyone to gain from any dialog with you.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10




When the standard of the doctrine as taught by the Lord's church is rejected, what you effectively have in its place is the teachings of demons, another gospel and another Jesus (2 Cor.11:4).

The Apostle Paul tells us to simply let them be accursed.

Ga 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

The Scripture warns us to avoid people that attempt to create dissention in His church.

Ro 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught, avoid them.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


kayla//I see many don't chanllenge your presentation of the Word.

But there been some who have challenged him and from the Word of God.

I believe his presentation is really a teachings of another gospel, of a different Jesus than the one being taught in Biblically oriented churches - churches that are full of people who bear a testimony of coming to know Jesus, making Him their Lord & Savior.

BEWARE of those that are false brethren as they will led you into the fires of hell or make you totally unfruitful.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


Samuel //If you really want to go against it then you need to eat buzzards, dogs and cats.

Frustrated because others chose to conform to the teachings of the New Covenant and not cherry picked OT verses?

It is obvious that you are very frustrated with those who do not consider themselves Jewish upon becoming Christians, but simply chose to follow the teachings of the New Covenant as taught by the saints of His church.

I really thought you were more grown up than that as suggesting that we could eat buzzards, cats and dogs is very childish.

Why even St. Ellen ate oysters by having them shipped in from relatives on the East Coast. But such seldom follow their own teachings.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


Paul9594,

You made a good presentation for the Word.
History does show His Word being always trampled by the majority.

This repetitive cycle of false doctrine dominating through out is scary!
I agree with you!! But what parts of the Law do we keep?

Why not just keep the Ten commandments?

If we break one point, do we not break the whole law?

Looking for your biblical answer!
I see many don't chanllenge your presentation of the Word.

Who should I not learn from?
---kayla4 on 2/23/10


Was Romans written to Gentiles or both they and Jewish converts?
According to my ESV Study Bible the focus suggests .....
---Lee1538 on 2/22/10

Romans was written to Israel. To Judean Israel and the Northern house of Israel. The Nations of or Ethnos of Israel.

Throw those study Bibles where they belong, in the trash. Study someone who is still honored today thousands of years after the fact. Chosen by GOD. Prophets. All prophets tell the same story. An are probably in opposition to your ESV study boys.
---Trav on 2/23/10


Sad but Satan & his children know how to create problems in the Lord's church///

Christ created problems in the Church of His people, because He kept His father's law and not the traditions of His church, people.

We walk after the Father's likeness Keeping His law in the Spirit of love: Christ. We also will be hated and persecuted even as Christ was.

Christ said that in the last days lawlessnes will increase waxing love cold.
Matthew 24:12.

Lawless = loveless, and not lawless = more love
---Paul9594 on 2/23/10


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Kathr4453:
Posted:
When Paul went into Colossus, there were those like here who were telling the CHURCH/ The Body of Christ, that they had to follow and practice these things that are to COME later, but not now. These same Lawyerswere the same as came into Galatia.


The APPOINTED DAYS are of the Father, not jewish.

Paul, BAPTIZED and commissioned by the Holy Spirit,25 yrs into THE CHURCH AGE, after the resurrection of Christ teaches to EX-GENTILES:

1 Corinthians 5:8

1Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.
---Paul9594 on 2/23/10


Lee1538 posts:
And those reading 1 John in context find John mentions only 2 -

1) to believe on Jesus whom God has sent
and
2) to love our neighbor.

It is unfortunate the legalists whenever they see the word commandments insert the word 10 in front of them.///

If Christ hanged, connected, and links The Law and Prophets, with the two greatest commamdments of love. Why do you unhanged them and throw them in the TRASH?

To keep the Traditions/teachings of the church?
How does your righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees of His day? Don't you also void His commandments/law to keep your traditions as pharisees of Christ's day did?
---Paul9594 on 2/23/10


God instituted feast of tabernacles to commemorate the fact that the people of Israel lodged in tents during their journey from Egypt to Canaan. Leviticus 23 vs 33-43, Deuteronomy 31 vs 10-13, Christ celebrated it as an example for us, John 7 vs 1-3, 10, 14-17, 37-38, chapter 13 vs 15.
Some people feel the feast is only for the natural Jews, but the bible says we also(Christians) are spiritual Jews, Romans 2 vs 28,29, 9 vs 6-8, Galatians 3 vs 7-9, 6 vs 16. Moreover, there is a prophetic injunction for all of mankind to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles in this last days, Zachariah 14 vs 16-19
---Elijah on 2/23/10


Where is the data to support the view that ALL Levitical forbidden foods are anymore detrimental to ones health than other foods? Dieticians have all kinds of differing viewpoints.

As our bodies are always in decay, our lifespan will be what the Lord has already determined. Lee1538

If our lifespan is not affected by what we eat then you need to tell that to the FDA and others who recommend eating a High Fiber diet. Leviticus forbids the eating of savenger animals and a few others. If you really want to go against it then you need to eat buzzards, dogs and cats.
---Samuel on 2/23/10


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Ed - John 2:3(NKJV) Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

And those reading 1 John in context find John mentions only 2 -

1) to believe on Jesus whom God has sent

and

2) to love our neighbor.

It is unfortunate the legalists whenever they see the word commandments insert the word 10 in front of them.

But such travel the entire earth to make one convert and make of him twice a child of hell as themselves.

Mt 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees (modern day Judaizers), hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


//The eating of unclean food to me is a health issue. Not a salvation issue.

Nor is it a spiritual issue.

While our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit what will defile it comes from the heart, not what goes into the stomach.

Where is the data to support the view that ALL Levitical forbidden foods are anymore detrimental to ones health than other foods? Dieticians have all kinds of differing viewpoints.

Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

As our bodies are always in decay, our lifespan will be what the Lord has already determined.
---Lee1538 on 2/22/10


1st Corinthians (KJV)9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor REVILERS, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 John 2(NKJV)
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him.
May the Light of The Lamb always guide your way. PEACE
---Ed on 2/22/10


1 John 2(NKJV)
1 BUT HE WHO HATES HIS BROTHER IS IN DARKNESS AND WALKS IN DARKNESS, AND DOES NOT KNOW WHERE HE IS GOING, BECAUSE THE DARKNESS HAS BLINDED HIS EYES.
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the worldthe lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.
May the Light of The Lamb always guide your way. PEACE
---Ed on 2/22/10


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The Gospel is about salvation and all we should say should be in love to others.

The eating of unclean food to me is a health issue. Not a salvation issue. GOD designed our bodies and he set forth rules of eating and washings that are good to follow. For instance eating without washing your hands first can make you very sick. Right now with the Swine flu scare at schools we are working very hard to get all children to wash their hands. Like the bible teaches it makes good health sense.
---Samuel on 2/22/10


//It is no wonder in Romans 14, Saint Paul criticize those who was of Jewish descent. They were despising those who was not following Jewish dietary restriction, like you and others.

Was Romans written to Gentiles or both they and Jewish converts?
According to my ESV Study Bible the focus suggests that tension existed between Jews & Gentiles even thro the Roman church grew up in the Jewish Syagogues (see also RC church historian, Eamon Duffy, 'Saints & sinners'.

Roman historian Sucteonius records Emperor Claudius (41 ad - 54ad) expelled the Jews from Rome because of strife over "Chrestos"-latin for Christ.(see Acts 18:2)

Judaizers did not fare too well in Rome.
---Lee1538 on 2/22/10


Mt. 5:18 does NOT tell US that WE are STILL UNDER the Old Covenant as Christ fulfilled the law when He said on the Cross 'It is finished' - hard for the spiritually blind to see.
---Lee1538 on 2/22/10

When were you under the Old Covenant....are you Jewish,or another nation of Israel??
---Trav on 2/22/10


Mt. 9:16f. Mk. 2:22f, Lk. 5:37f No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made.

Just as unshrunk cloth (New Cov) cannot coexist with an old garment (Old Cov), the kingdom of God cannot be regarded merely as a patch over the regulations of the Mosaic law and extrabiblical traditions.

New wine vs. old wineskins illustrates the same truth, that Jesus brings a new era with new ways. ESV Study Bible notes.

Those refusing to distinguish between the Old and New covenants will continue to Judaize His church.

Sad but Satan & his children know how to create problems in the Lord's church
---Lee1538 on 2/22/10


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To Ed -

Jesus tells us 'not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.' John 7:24 and in Mt. 7 ...'for with what judgment you judge others that is how you will be judged'. I truly love the truth, so go ahead and judge me but do as Jesus tells you and judge rightfully.

Yes, the narrow gate in Mt. 7:13 is Jesus - I am the way, the truth & the life. Jn. 14:6

Unless your righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees (the forerunners of most Judaizers) you will by no means enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mt. 5:20

Mt. 5:18 does NOT tell us that we are still under the Old Covenant as Christ fulfilled the law when He said on the Cross 'It is finished' - hard for the spiritually blind to see.
---Lee1538 on 2/22/10


When Paul went into Colossus, there were those like here who were telling the CHURCH/ The Body of Christ, that they had to follow and practice these things that are to COME later, but not now. These same Lawyerswere the same as came into Galatia.

Colossians 2:16-18

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,( FOT) or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17Which are a shadow of things to come,( belonging to the 1000 Year Kingdom Reign..not now) but the body is of Christ.

18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
---kathr4453 on 2/22/10


How many realize that Judaism is not the religion of the old covenant? Christ corrected the Jews of His day for keeping their own traditions. The holy days of Lev. 23 are God's feast days.
---sandy on 2/20/10


"....there was a debate going on at the time about which day to fast and what one should fast from. He is saying that while some may fast completely, the weak may eat only vegetables." (Paul)

Your theory will be valid if we find such debate in Saint Paul's Epistle, which we do not. The Roman Church was a mixture of Jewish and Gentile Christians. It is no wonder in Romans 14, Saint Paul criticize those who was of Jewish descent. They were despising those who was not following Jewish dietary restriction, like you and others.

There was no debate on fasting rules. You are seeing things that are not there Paul. Just accept the teaching of Holy Scriptures, and don't twist it to suite your Jewish laws.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/19/10


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>So go ahead and enjoy your pork roast, oysters, or catfish.

The later two eat the refuse that falls to the bottom. And the sewage treatment plants don't get everything.

The TV show Medical Mysteries had one about a young Jewish guy who was having grand mal siezures. At first they thought it was a tumor in his brain. Another doctor looked at the X-rays and said no those were trichna worms. Turns out that the house-keeper and cook came from Central America.
---djconklin on 2/19/10


The feast of Tabernacles will be kept AFTER the second coming of Christ during the 1000 year Kingdom Reign when KING Jesus is sitting on His earthly Throne. Not before, and not now does the Church worship the FOT!

Zechariah 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King (who is(JESUS CHRIST), the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:18
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain, there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep
the feast of tabernacles.

and Zechariah 14:19
---kathr4453 on 2/19/10


Here in Houston we used to have a saying. What gift should you give your worst enemy. The Answer Oysters. They are so often tainted by Cholera and other diseases that you have good chance of getting rid of them.

I know of at least two Baptist ministers both dead now who taught agaisnt eating unclean meat. My Grandmother often spoke of a Methodist circuit minister who spoke agaisnt eating unclean food. Joel Olsten even has a sermon agaisnt the practice.

I do not believe it will send you to hell. But it can sure put you in the grave.
---Samuel on 2/19/10


to Lee1538
Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brothers eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?

13 Enter by the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 5:18 Forsooth I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one letter [one i, that is the least letter,] or one tittle shall not pass from the law, till all things be done
---Ed on 2/19/10


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Paul... Well said, but I think both of us need to remember these verses.
1 Timothy 6
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. FROM SUCH WITHDRAW YOURSELF
Peace be With You.
---Ed on 2/19/10


/This scripture was not given in relation to clean/unclean foods. It was given because there was a debate going on at the time about which day to fast and what one should fast from.

That truly illustrates the radical extreme some will go to in saying the Bible does not say what its says in order to fit their false teachings.

While most do not submit to ALL teachings of demons such as forbidding marriage, some require 'abstinence from foods God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and NOTHING is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving...'(see 1 Tim.4:1f)

Are Neo Judaizers any different from their predecessors?
---Lee1538 on 2/19/10


Lee: In interpreting Scripture one must also view other scripture Romans 14 that while one may eat anything, while those weak may eat only veggies.

This scripture was not given in relation to clean/unclean foods. It was given because there was a debate going on at the time about which day to fast and what one should fast from. He is saying that while some may fast completely, the weak may eat only vegetables. He is not saying that now it is ok to eat unclean foods.
---Paul on 2/18/10


Ken //The command is it is a SIN to eat unclean foods. .... Mark in NO WAY is saying all foods are clean.

Jesus simply stated the source of defilement is from the HEART like all other sins, not what we put into our mouths.

In interpreting Scripture one must also view other scripture Romans 14 that while one may eat anything, while those weak may eat only veggies.

One may not make any judgement as to what someone eats or a Sabbath or even a New Moon celebaration.Col. 2:16

Hebr. 9:10 but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed UNTIL the time of reformation.

So go ahead and enjoy your pork roast, oysters, or catfish.


---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


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And lastly for today, Hebrews 8:13 doesn't exactly say what you say it does Lee. First of all, the word covenant is ADDED by the translators, it does not appear in the Greek manuscripts. Second, the word "new" is kainos(renew), not nehos(new)! What has passed away Lee is the writing on STONE... what we have now is Torah written on the minds and hearts rather than stone. The schoolmaster is the stone which led to the writing of God's instructions/directions/teachings (God's Torah) on the heart.

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you, and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: (w/ Deut. 30, Jer. 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8)
---Ken on 2/18/10


If you like only veggies and not meat that is ok but is optional.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10

I don't like to get out of subject but, all meat that has a split hoof and chews the cud is clean, except the pig witch is also what was sacrificed to idols.PEACE UNTO YOU
---Ed on 2/18/10


If you believe otherwise, that you must observe laws (esp. OT laws) for your salvation & walk, then you do not need Jesus since your savior is yourself and you will definitely hear Mt. 7:23.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock
Salvation is by Grace of God, through Yeshua, who are obiedent to HIS WORD.Not the word of men. Peace
---Ed on 2/18/10


Lee, I have been away for some time, but I see much hasn't changed!

Mar 7:18 So He said to them, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,
Mar 7:19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?"

The command is it is a SIN to eat unclean foods. Eating them doesn't defile you because you elimanate the food. (poop) It doesn't defile you, doesn't make you unclean, but it is a sin. Mark in NO WAY is saying all foods are clean.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken on 2/18/10


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Ed//The FEAST (appointments)are a SHADOW (rehearsal) of things to come.

And is not the Sabbath also a shadow of things to come?

Was not the Sabbath commandment fulfilled by Christ who became our rest?

//Paul did not think the dietary Statues were done away with.

Really??

Romans 14:2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

Read also that Jesus declared all foods clean(Mark 7:18f).

If you like only veggies and not meat that is ok but is optional.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


//What does Christ's lips point to, for us to DO,keep?

John 6:29 Jesus answered them, This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

Nowhere does Christ tell us to observe olde Jewish laws from a covenant that has been declared OBSOLETE. Hebr. 8:13.

You simply lack the understanding that once a person believes in Jesus, he becomes a new creation (2 Cor.5:17), is placed into the body of Christ, who is our righteousness, redemption & sanctification. (1 Cor. 1:30)

If you believe otherwise, that you must observe laws (esp. OT laws) for your salvation & walk, then you do not need Jesus since your savior is yourself and you will definitely hear Mt. 7:23.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


I do not question if you are a Christian, only your lack understanding of basic Christian doctrine.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10
(New King James Version)
Proverbs 21:2
2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts
Matthew 7:5
5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye
Luke 6:41
41 And why do you look at the speck in your brothers eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? PEACE
---Ed on 2/18/10


Ed:

You quote colossians 2:16-23
The topic is FEAST of Booths.
16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a FEAST, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
17WITCH ARE A SHADOW OF THE COMING THINGS

The FEAST (appointments)are a SHADOW (rehearsal) of things to come. the rest is to show that Paul did not think the dietary Statues were done away with. Peace unto you son.
---Ed on 2/18/10


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Nana//Ephesians 6:2: "Honor your father and mother (the first commandment with a promise),"Is Paul, (from his written record), a "judaizer"?

No,Paul was not a Judaizer as he did not preach one needs the law, only Jesus for our walk & salvation.

Ro 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Learn what he meant.

OTOH, some still need the schoolmaster (guardian)- the law - until they can be justified by faith in Christ. Once that happens, they no longer under a guardian that is the law, (see Gal. 3:24f)

I do not question if you are a Christian, only your lack understanding of basic Christian doctrine.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


Kayla: lawless = loveless 4/6
In Matthew 24:12, Christ teaches: lawlessness (not keeping Law) multiplies a love that waxes cold, judaizers say the opposite lawlessnes increases love!

No New Testament for 200 years plus.

What does Christ's lips point to, for us to DO,keep?

Luk 8:21 But he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these that hear the word of God, and do it.

Jhn 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.

Do many reject Christ sayings, How does Christ feel about it?

Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day.
---Paul9594 on 2/17/10


Once more, rephrasing:
Ephesians 6:2: "Honor your father and mother (this is the first commandment with a promise),"
Is Paul, (from his written record), a "judaizer"?
---Nana on 2/17/10


Kayla: lawless = loveless 3/6

Pharisees voided the Word of the Father with their tradition/teachings

Mat 15:9 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching [as their] doctrines the precepts of men.
Exodus 20, Keep Sabbath (all over Scripture), judaizers do away with Sabbath, keeping their tradition/teachings.

Do not commit adultery, the Pharisee/judaizers divorce and remarry for just about any reason, not allowed by His Word/Law! Instead they Keep their tradition/teachings of men.

Lev. 11, do not eat unclean meats, judaizers eat pork etc and keep their traditions/teachings!

Can you begin to see who are the Pharisees/judaizers of our day?
---Paul9594 on 2/17/10


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Ed:

You quote colossians 2:16-23

Son you need to quote the whole context for this passage,

Col 2:8 TAKE HEED lest there shall be any one that maketh spoil of you through his philosophy and VAIN DECEIT, AFTER AFTER the TRADITION of men, AFTER AFTER the rudiments of the world, and NOT NOT NOT after CHRIST:

Chris kept the Law, BECAUSE its holy, just and good. Romans 7:12

Have you been taught the Law is flesh? When kept in the Spirit of love: CHRIST?

How do you advise His people to be, Christ like?

Or do you advise them to be like a lawless Christ?

Above translation is faithful to the Greek numerics, and not an apostate translation.
---Paul9594 on 2/17/10


Nana //Some call indwelling what is nothing more than the pressures of their swollen heads (byproduct of an overgrown self ...)

Usually those that preach obedience to law are the ones that grow swollen heads since they in their pride, use the law to compare themselves with others and measure others by the standard they develop.

The Neo Judaizers of today try to bring Christian back under selected OT law by telling them they have to observe the Jewish Sabbath, the Levitical dietary laws, etc.

Romans 7:6b...we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

The Christian lives by faith in Christ and is declared righteous in Him. Gal. 6:2, Romans 1:17.
---Lee1538 on 2/17/10


Paul9594 -//Modern day Pharisees/judaizers DO THE SAME as Pharisee of Christ's day: Void His Law with their teachings / traditions but CLAIM to abide in love/Him.

Ain't that really a crock of bull???? When are you going to become a student of the Word of God?

Any student of the Bible will tell you that the Galatian church became infected with those that were teaching that one needed to observe distinctive Jewish laws to go on to perfection as a Christian.

Child of Hagar from Mt. Sinai, why do you hate the truth so very much promoting a gospel totally contrary to that faith once for all delivered to His saints? Jude 3.
---Lee1538 on 2/17/10


Colossians 2(Young's Literal Translation)

16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
17WITCH ARE A SHADOW OF THE COMING THINGS, and the body [is] of the Christ,
18let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, BEING VAINLY PUFFED UP BY THE MIND OF HIS FLESH,
---Ed on 2/17/10


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Colossians 2(Young's Literal Translation)
20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?
21-- thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle --
22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,
23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, AND NEGLECTING OF BODY -- not in any honour, UNTO A SATISFYING OF THE FLESH.
May the Light of The Lamb light your way!!
---Ed on 2/17/10


Kayla: lawless = loveless 2/6

Lee1538 said:
You apparently do not realize it but like the Judaizers the Apostle Paul fought against, they simply did not believe Jesus was enough for their salvation.///

John 1:10-11

10 He was in the world, and the world became through him, and the world knew
him not. 11 He came unto his :own possessions, and his :own received him
not.

In truth According to John 1:10-11
The Pharisees, Jews religion/judaizers did not recognize Christ, they rejected Christ/crucified Him!

Do modern day Pharisees/Judaizers do the same as those of the time of Christ?
---Paul9594 on 2/17/10


Nana //As a side note, there seem to be quite a lot of fairy tales of the so called indwelling. Some call indwelling what is nothing more than the pressures of their swollen heads (byproduct of an overgrown self ...)

The problem Paul had with the Galatians was they has begin with the Spirit but were taught by the Judaizers they needed to go on to perfection by works of the flesh (3:3).

And such is the problem with many SDAs who know not the Scripture or know how to live a victorous life in Christ.

Apparently many SDAs believe the teachings of Ellen White is all that is necessary, that the gift of grace is simply something that gives one the capability to earn ones salvation.
---Lee1538 on 2/17/10


In school you have students who do not think they must study. They know it all already. Are you saying we should not study scripture since we have the HOLY SPIRIT so we do not need it?
---Samuel on 2/17/10

The comparison above would be good....but, this is world teaching things of the world.

There is only one teacher, one father. Matthew 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.

Now, there are watchmen, rebukers and Bereans.
If a man points it cost me nothing to look. If what he points/rebukes/Bereans... has GOD's chosen Spokesmen/prophets backing the look/rebuke/Study.
Then it is on me if I don't participate/learn/veer.
---Trav on 2/17/10


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Kayla: Lawless = loveless 1/6

Don't miss postings that follow, I tend to save the best for last :)

My desire is to restore the Word of The Father, pull out the remnant/the very elect from false teachings.

Is there anything new under the sun? Eccl. 1:9

Modern day Pharisees/judaizers DO THE SAME as Pharisee of Christ's day:

Void His Law with their teachings/traditions but CLAIM to abide in love/Him.

Have you been taught/deceived into believing that doing AWAY with His Law brings in love?
What does Christ teach about doing away with His law, lawlessness?

Christ teaches: BECAUSE LAWLESSNESS multiplies LOVE WAXES COLD.
Matthew 24:12

Scripture illustrations identify Pharisee/judiazer!
---Paul9594 on 2/17/10


Thanks Trav.

You apparently do not realize it but like the Judaizers the Apostle Paul frought against, they simply did not believe Jesus was enough for their salvation. Lee1538

JESUS is our salvation. HE is GOD incarnate. HE saves us by Grace alone through faith alone. You are correct that some teach works add to salvation like the LDS. But Seveth day Adventist do not teach this.


Of course, if you do not have the indwelling of His Spirit and need the Savior you truly need the law to tell you what sin really is. Lee1538

In school you have students who do not think they must study. They know it all already. Are you saying we should not study scripture since we have the HOLY SPIRIT so we do not need it?
---Samuel on 2/17/10


There are far too many questions that Sabbaterians are unable to answer from the Word of God.
Judaizers?
---Lee1538 on 2/14/10

What is it to you what Sabbaterians do?

Psalm 119:45
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Romans 14:14
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
---Trav on 2/17/10


//1Cor 5:8 therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Barnes notes:

{As the Jews when they celebrated the paschal supper, on the slaying and sacrifice of the paschal lamb, put away all leaven as emblematic of sin, so let us, in the slaying of our sacrifice, and in all the duties, institutions, and events consequent thereon, put away all wickedness from our hearts as individuals, and from our societies and churches. Let us engage in the service of God by putting away all evil.}

Yes, you hate commentaries by those called into the ministry of His Word as you twist God's Word to fit your Judaized religion.
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


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Ephesians 6:2: Honor your father and mother (this is the first commandment with a promise),"
Paul was a "judaizer"?
As a side note, there seem to be quite a lot of fairy tales of the so called indwelling. Some call indwelling what is nothing more than the pressures of their swollen heads (byproduct of an overgrown self ...)
---Nana on 2/16/10


The Feast of Booths is the fall Feast of the Lord for all nations. Feast or "moad" witch means rehearsal.
In the Feasts of the Lord the first half of the Feasts were fulfilled with the first advent of Jeshua. The passover, unleavened bread, and Pentecost. The second half starts with the new year blowing of trumpets, also know as the feast which no man know the day nor hour" when it starts. On the 10th the priests make atonement for themselves , 15th Booths start,runs 7 days, and they make atonement for all nations,8th day after(22 of month) is the Last great day or Judgment day. PEACE UNTO YOU
---Ed on 2/17/10


//You will NOTICE that judaizers of today do the same, as the Pharisees did.

If you took the time to really study the Epistle to the Galatians you would see that the Judaizers (meaning to make Jewish) were teaching adherence to the Old Covenant from Mt. Sinai.

You apparently do not realize it but like the Judaizers the Apostle Paul frought against, they simply did not believe Jesus was enough for their salvation.

Ga 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Of course, if you do not have the indwelling of His Spirit and need the Savior you truly need the law to tell you what sin really is. And that was the purpose of the law.
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


Kayla: Lawless judged 5/5

You will NOTICE that judaizers of today do the same, as the Pharisees did. Judaizers do away with Christ Word/teachings to keep their traditions/teachings.

Keep in mind our Savior telling us what will be HAPPENING, when the end comes, for one:

Matthew 24:12 because >>> LAWLESSNESS <<< shall be MULTIPLIED, the love of the many shall wax cold. 13 But who endureth unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Pharisees/judaizers:
Promote lawlessness and multiply love waxing cold by keeping their traditions precepts of men and not the ways of Christ!

Have you been told that doing AWAY with the Law brings in love?

Christ teaches: BECAUSE LAWLESSNESS multiplies LOVE WAXES COLD.
---Paul9594 on 2/16/10


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1Cor 5:8 in context...
v1 dealing with fornication
2 haven't removed the fornicator
3 already judged
4 when gathered together
5 to deliver the fornicator
6 a little leaven (in this case fornication)
7 purge it
8 out of the blue it's about the feast of unleavened bread?..
--maybe just maybe it says when you gather together (v4), gather as believers not being unequally yoked--
2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
9 wrote to them b4 about this
10 why
11 says 9 again in a different way
12,13 about judging again
Why would v8 not be about fornication when the whole chapter is?
---MIchael on 2/16/10


Lee1538:
Said:
Those of the flesh truly love love to be religious.///


For your insight:

25 Yrs. INTO the CHURCH AGE, AFTER the resurrection of Christ. Paul teaches to keep feast to the Gentile conversts, :

1Cor 5:8 wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


With your bad reasioning:

Paul is of the FLESH AND LOVES to be religious. So Paul teaches new converts to be of the flesh and be religious, by teaching to keep the feast of unleavened bread?
---Paul9594 on 2/16/10


It's also called the feasts of booths, which they still celebrate in Israel. Many in Israel will put tents or coverings on their decks and stay in them while celebrating.

Bill is correct.
---Rod4Him on 2/15/10


Feast of Tabernacles was also called Feast of the bibles usually at the 7th month or October in our calendar. on the 10th day is the day of atonement....15 to 22 Feast of Tabernacles.

study: Liviticus 23:24
Liviticus 25:9
Numbers 29:1

October 21, 2011 = will be the End of the World. 5 months before the Rapture on May 21, 2011. The Feast of tabernacles is very important
---rosalie on 2/15/10


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It looks like a tabernacle can be a hut or structure for resting. While the Jews were spending forty years in the wilderness, they would set up shelters wherever they stopped to stay for a night or longer. These structures were not permanent, and were called tabernacles, I understand. So, the Feast of Tabernacles could be a remembrance and celebration of how God took care of the Jews after they came out of Egypt but had not settled in Israel. Though they didn't have houses, they had God. The Jews have different feasts for remembering times of Jewish history, so their children will know and remember the Jews' history with God, including so they understand that God will take care of us, *if* we obey how He takes care of us (1 Peter 5:7).
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/15/10


>some speculate that the current SDA denomination is leaning in that direction. See Proclamation magazine "Are Adventists Moving to Feast-Keeping" Sept/Oct 2008 issue.

A few do not speak for the denomination as a whole.

>Those of the flesh truly love love to be religious.

No, they seek to cast stones at others and think that they are more pious for doing so.
---djconklin on 2/15/10


It is interesting that there are sabbaterians groups that advocate obedience to OT Jewish feasts even today believing that the Christian faith is nothing more than a continuation of Judaism.

Such was the problem the Worldwide Church of God under H. Armstrong until there was a new leadership.

Reformed Aventists groups today advocate observance of the OT feasts and some speculate that the current SDA denomination is leaning in that direction. See Proclamation magazine "Are Adventists Moving to Feast-Keeping" Sept/Oct 2008 issue.

Those of the flesh truly love love to be religious.


---lee on 2/15/10


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